YTSEJAM Digest 3891
Today's Topics:
1) I suck as hard as a whore
by The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
2) (Fwd) Well, well, well, Mr Page....
by "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
3) Re: 5's gone. there is no 5.
by Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
4) Re: Some thoughts on the Cincy show
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
5) Portnoy on LiveConcerts
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
6) Re: Expenisve ear plugs are crap
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
7) Guitarist's CD
by krackley@weidmuller.com
8) RE: YTSEJAM or not YTSEJAM
by "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
9) Meeting places
by newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
10) Re: Some thoughts on Cincinatti show
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) rules 'n' regulations
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
12) Where can I find "To Live Forever"
by "Pasqual Zottola" <pasqualz@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:16:53 +0100
From: The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I suck as hard as a whore
Message-ID: <98May13.152131gmt+0100.31367@gate.tranemo.se>
Graham Borland commanded me, in a private letter, to quit posting
WINMAIL.DAT. With his allowance, I forwarded our discussion to this list.
PP: Well, Graham, I don't know how many times I have to say this: I don't
know
why I do it and I don't know how I do it and I don't know how to avoid
doing it!!! I'm not doing this to annoy you, because until just recently I
wasn't aware that this happened!!!
GB: Ahh. Sorry.
PP: I can either send my posts as MIME (with all the BASE64-crap at the
end) or
without MIME, using some UUENCODE kinda thingy (what that now is... I'm
using it now, and you know what it looks like) - I STILL haven't found an
option to send it as PLAIN TEXT, which would have been a lot better...
GB: Which software are you using?
New note: I (am forced to) use Microsoft Exchange 4.0, if that helps.
PP: Does the crap come with my private letters as well???
GB: No, just the Ytsejam posts.
PP: Lord, I guess I'm making a hard time for everyone here... sorry. :-(
GB: I'll forgive you. :-)
New note: Thank heavens! :)
PP: Is it okay if I forward this to the YML, just making everyone aware of
my
incompetence?
GB: Fine with me . . .
Now, if this shit with Winmail.dat still happens, PLEASE give me some
advice on HOW TO GET RID OF IT! My appreciation would go beyond
understanding! Thank you!
Hmmm... Is this DT-related? Eh... DREAM THEATER RULES!
Now it is! :)
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//tHe WoRkInG mAn
aka Per Pettersson
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| It seems to me |
| I could live my life |
| A lot better than I think I am. |
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:21:57 +0000
From: "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: (Fwd) Well, well, well, Mr Page....
Message-ID: <199805131336.GAA03342@odin.ax.com>
Here is a friend of mine's theory on the SNL performance. Enjoy,
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:06:39 EDT
Subject: Well, well, well, Mr Page....
So when I saw the tape of SNL from last Saturday, I was pretty
amazed at the musical performance. I have a theory of how
it came to be......................
Good afternoon, Mr Page, or I guess that I can assume that
I can just call you Jimmy? Yes, We've been doing business for
quite awhile, eh? Well anyway, you're probably wondering why
I called for a personal conference, so I'll just cut to the chase.
I need to call in a favor Jimmy, a big one. What favor? Remember
your last big tour, Jimbo, the reunioun with Mr Plant and the
sold out stadiums and the reviews and the MTV and the platinum
record and how everyone was so blown away because it all
sounded *just like Zeppelin used to*. It was all just what you
wanted and all I said it would cost (besides your immortal soul
which you traded me in, um, '70 wasn't it?) was just some benefit
concerts in the future. Well, the future has arrived, my boy!
(Now that you have one again heh heh!) That's right, the future!
I need you to do an appearance, just one song really, you could
deal with that when you were smacked out of your skull. This
will be easy. It's an appearance on Saturday Night Live. Great
exposure for you, and a nice easy to damn cynical audience for me.
Oh no, it's not just you or even you and Mr Plant. No... it's not with
Mr Paul Jones either and we agreed years ago that his name was
not to be mentioned again. Nope! Nope! You'll never guess this
one.... Alright, I'll tell you.
I want you to play the guitar part from "Kashmir" while that rapper
fellow, 'Puff Daddy' raps to it. We've even lined up an orchestra.
Uh, no, actually, he's not singing "Kashmir" he's rapping. Yeah,
isn't that cute? He was so inspired by your song that he wrote
some of his own words to it.
I can see you're just *speechless* with anticipation. Isn't it great? Isn't
this just going to be history in the making? Hmm, now *that* isn't a very
good attitude coming from someone as successful and as lucky as
you. I would think that a little bit of gratitude would show here. How
very uncharitable of you to not want to lend your presence to give
this young man's career a little leg up, like you were given twenty nine
years ago when you somehow got away with writing your own words
to "Dazed and Confused". And need I remind you, Jimmyboy that you're
one of a very short list of elite customers from your generation who's
managed to avoid crashing in aeroplanes or choking to death on their
own vomit?
You've had a long and brilliant career and now it's time to give something
back. C'mon Jim, play ball with me here. Yes I know this gig might be
a little distasteful to you, but I've got to think of my bottom line. I'm
Sorry,
Yours is not the only soul I own and as special as yours is to me
I still have millions of souls around the world that I need to acquire
yet. Let's be for real here, I'm the Unholy Prince of Darkness and my
job description has a hell of alot more to it than "Give Jimmy Page
a career again." Yes, you're right, this is going to piss a hell of
alot of people off and cause lots of argument and bickering. That's
my business, remember? And wasn't Zeppelin in the middle
of exactly that kind of mayhem in it's day? Let's face it Jimmylad,
controversy and pissing off the grownups and establishment has
always been a vital part of your career *and * mine. That's why
we've gotten along so well so far. This is nothing new.
This is a sweet , sweet deal Jimmeroony! Forget those silly
words like 'sellout' and 'integrity' When have you ever had a
problem with them before? You go to New York and play this gig
(which as I said you could handle even if you were totally blitzed)
You'll be treated like a God (which is sure to piss of His burning
bushness) with all the smack or crack or babes or booze or
whatever you can stomach. Then in the aftermath,
You get to stay in the spotlight with everyone arguing about you,
(which is always good for sales figures), Puff Daddy gets to make
art history, and his success will get to impress the hell out of a whole
new crop of potential customers. And in the meantime, everyone
who watches is guaranteed to be miserable about it for one reason or
another, which makes for more evil doing and more business for me.
See? We all benefit.
Now be a good boy and go change your guitar strings and
when your agent calls with the offer you just take it and be a
good sport about the whole thing.
I'm back....
Maugorn
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Jason Birzer There is a theory which states that if anyone
"The Longshot" discovers what the Universe is for and why it
is here, it will instantly disappear and be
Longshot@Pressroom.com replaced by something even more bizarre and
inexplicable. There is another theory which
states that this has already happened -Douglas Adams
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:37:48 +0000
From: Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: 5's gone. there is no 5.
Message-ID: <01IWZ8P3XBJO8WW1ZS@carleton.edu>
> Spoken, of course, by the ubiquitous Kevin Bacon in A Few Good Men. Johhny,
> show 'em what Craig won.
An American League baseball game.
-id (reference this!)
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:37:49 -0400
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Cincy show
Message-ID: <3559A22D.239C2C77@erinet.com>
>There was a pretty good crowd but not what I'd like to see
>for a band of this talent. This gets me to wondering.
are you smokin' crack!?!?
this place was packed. they sold it out...roughly 2000 people.
sure it's not as packed as it should be in relation to their
talent, but it was a full house. we just have to face the fact
that, for the most part, good music gets ignored for the current
trend.
Dan
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:38:12 +1000
From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Portnoy on LiveConcerts
Message-ID: <000701bd7e74$62af3e80$753a4e81@rpandean.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
I just found out that Mike will be on:
I think he's doing an interview and taking some questions.
Regards,
Rainer
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Expenisve ear plugs are crap
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980513093441.10500A-100000@rac5.wam.umd.edu>
]From out of the shadows Calvin 6S whispered:
KEZCOM writes:
><< These are the exact models that I wore at the Daytona's show, and it
>took 5
> days to get my full hearing back. >>
>I had the same experience. I bought the $12 models and I thought wow
>these
>are great. I can hear the show much better than with the foam. Reason -
>they
>weren't doing ANYTHING. I had ringing in my ears for quite a while - not
>a
>week though. I think you either buy cheap foam and deal with the
>spectrum
>loss - or you plunge into the custom fit $100+ models. End of story.
>Anyone else disagree - cuz I'd sure like to agree that I'm wrong.
kez and i talked about this after the show and i believe the difference
is that his were the 6dB ones, and mine were the 12dB ones(or more, but
i believe it was at least 12). i personally love mine, they work
exteremely well. at jaxx i was about 5 feet from one of the mains, and
even after an hour of big wreck and 2+ hours of dt, i had no ringing
whatsoever. the best part is, they accidentally went through the washer
and dryer a couple of weeks ago, and they still work great. the only
downside is that because they're not pliable, they really hurt your ears
(not your eardrums), but it's a small price to pay IMBAO. especially when
you've got an overeager drummer in your band that just can't stay off the
crashes....
forget the ear moulds (not molds :). just make sure the kind you get drop
the sound by 12 dB.
- il
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:05:56 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: Guitarist's CD Message-ID: <199805131405.KAA00165@mail.weidmuller.com>
I'm a drummer (I know, I know) and I really enjoy hearing guitarists albums. I wanted to buy another album, I was wondering if any of the Buckethead albums where any good. If not, what about Tony McAlpine.
I would appreciate any suggestions.
Kevin http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/amythyst/
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:59:03 +0000 From: "Longshot" <longshot@pressroom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM or not YTSEJAM Message-ID: <199805131415.HAA03560@odin.ax.com>
>I don't expect MY whims to be catered to. I just expect a list >NAMED 'YSTEJAM' to be ABOUT those things which REFER to that genre >in general (being DT and other PROG). NOT about bitchy girlfriends. >Or OTHER forms of music (of which if I WAS interested, I would go to >those lists AND expect them to talk about THOSE other forms, NOT >PROG), etc.... which is what 'earthbound, starbound' was saying >basically when he replied > (that's self-referential post of the >week. i got it from captain nitpick, who is generally an annoying >guy, but has a point when people post "Could people please only post >jokes?" on rec.humor.) (At least I think it was)
First off, you can give your real e-mail address so that I wouldn't have to post this non-DT post to the jam. This isn't USENET where people will spam you to death, you know.
Secondly, there is only so much you can talk about DT and Progressive music before it gets old. If you want a moderated list, go to TNMS, which will bore you to death with analysing Rush songs to the minute detail. I LIKE some of the off topic stuff. What I don't like, I scroll past. Simple as that.
Thirdly, you are causing the exact thing you want stopped. All you are doing is causing more non-DT content by having people respond to your complaint. If you really want to change things, change the subject. That is the best way of getting the list back on track. This does not help.
>I knew that this would get me flamed by those it was directed to. >The mere fact that this started yet another inane thread is PROOF of >what I was trying to say. I just don't want to see this list
You lost a lot of points with me with this statement. See above.
I normally would not post this to the list, but this guy apperently wants this to be the next subject of discussion on the list. Personally, I'd rather talk about Puff Daddy than this. It is much more entertaining. :^)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer There is a theory which states that if anyone "The Longshot" discovers what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be Longshot@Pressroom.com replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened -Douglas Adams ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:08:31 -0500 From: newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Meeting places Message-ID: <19980513143441385.AAA202@newcombr.netdot.com>
Does anyone know about a meeting place where we can meet before any of the Texas shows? It would be nice to see an apparent endangered species ( A Texas Ytsejammer ! ). Well back to college finals :(
Thorin
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Cincinatti show Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980513101628.29342A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Wed, 13 May 1998, Greg Jones wrote:
> > I saw the show at Cincinatti on Monday and have to say that the show was > awesome! > > I don't like DS's stage presence. He looks like he's cocky. Maybe he's > not but he looks like he's posing. Hey Derek! This isn't Milly Vanilly. > We really don't care if you are wearing sunglasses on your head or not! >
I have to disagree about Derek. Granted, his stage presence and setup (with the TVs and lava lamps - from last leg of the tour at least) is unorthodox compared to what we were used to with Kevin. But I think that it just makes the show more interesting, more lively (you gotta admit that this tour seems very relaxed and fun compared to years past), etc.
Granted, I'm a huge Kevin fan and all, and I think that losing him had a huge impact of Dream Theater and its music, but I think Derek is bringing some "chutzpah" to Dream Theater in its live shows.
-Al
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:42:04 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: rules 'n' regulations Message-ID: <13657.45327.956146.914792@wicked.stigmata.org>
OK, I have not posted this in a LONG LONG LONG LONG time, so here it is again. READ this through THOROUGHLY.
Skadz
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Hey All ....
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:54:08 PDT From: "Pasqual Zottola" <pasqualz@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Where can I find "To Live Forever" Message-ID: <19980513145408.14277.qmail@hotmail.com>
I downloaded this mp3 about a year ago from some site, but lost the file. It was my favorite DT demo song and I was wondering if anyone knows where I could find the mp3. I thought it was at Dr' Mosh's but no luck. Any help would be appreciated!!
Pasqual
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