YTSEJAM Digest 3892
Today's Topics:
1) Ytsejam Archives
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
2) Hearing, Sonic II's, and live sound...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
3) spam and the like
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
4) Local Mailing Lists
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
5) To Prog or not To Prog
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
6) Club Gigs/Derek
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
7) when posting to the jam
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
8) A Note from the Moderator
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
9) IRC - Internet Relay Chat
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
10) Re: I suck as hard as a whore
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
11) Re: Female Prog Fans
by SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com>
12) LTE, DT/ELP/DP, LatM
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
13) Ozric Tentacles in San Francisco (NDTC)
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
14) Re: Plugs
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
15) name the song
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
16) Re: I need your help.
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:05:50 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam Archives
Message-ID: <13657.46694.203300.204438@wicked.stigmata.org>
I have gotten a bunch of requests lately for back issues, so let me
mention this. The archive on ax.com is busted and it doesn't seem
likely to get fixed any time soon, so I (a while ago) set up an
archive at:
ftp://ftp.dreamt.org/pub/ytsejam/
Its got all the jams since some time in the 2000's. If you want
something older than that, send mail to skadz@dreamt.org and I will
see what I can do.
Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:15:22 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hearing, Sonic II's, and live sound... Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E790558@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Deek croaked...
> KEZCOM writes: > > ><< These are the exact models that I wore at the Daytona's > show, and it > >took 5 > > days to get my full hearing back. >> > > >I had the same experience. I bought the $12 models and I thought wow > >these > >are great. I can hear the show much better than with the > foam. Reason - > >they > >weren't doing ANYTHING. I had ringing in my ears for quite > a while - not > >a > >week though. I think you either buy cheap foam and deal with the > >spectrum > >loss - or you plunge into the custom fit $100+ models. End of story. > > >Anyone else disagree - cuz I'd sure like to agree that I'm wrong.
I feel kinda bad about this, as I didn't give Kez enough info. I didn't think they were selling the 6db ones anymore. Wrong again - now I understand why his were $12 and mine were $25.
> > kez and i talked about this after the show and i believe > the difference > is that his were the 6dB ones, and mine were the 12dB ones(or > more, but > i believe it was at least 12). i personally love mine, they work > exteremely well. at jaxx i was about 5 feet from one of the mains, and > even after an hour of big wreck and 2+ hours of dt, i had no ringing > whatsoever. the best part is, they accidentally went through > the washer > and dryer a couple of weeks ago, and they still work great. the only > downside is that because they're not pliable, they really > hurt your ears > (not your eardrums), but it's a small price to pay IMBAO. > especially when > you've got an overeager drummer in your band that just can't > stay off the > crashes.... > > forget the ear moulds (not molds :). just make sure the kind > you get drop > the sound by 12 dB.
Agreed. Now, there are situations - like Yngwie at Jaxx - when the sound is SO loud that it actually vibrates the plugs in your ears. In that case, the best hearing protection I could find was a brick wall... :)
Part of the problem at Daytona's was WHAT you were hearing - the sound was very un - musical, and overly bright, which does more damage, as high end hearing is more sensitive than low end. I believe that's the case, anyway - anyone care to crrect me if I'm wrong? :)
As a band member that's been totalling his hearing for 15 years now, I have one comment to make to the live sound engineers out there - music is more enjoyable when you can stand in the room it's being played in, and if it SOUNDS good.
Which is why I go to Jaxx, and usually won't go to Daytona's, even if I'd like to see the band twice. Even though it's usually too loud, at least it sounds good...
> Skadz > Ytsejam Moderator > skadz@dreamt.org
Skadz lives! All hail the king...
Mike Division - With King Diamond, May 14th. With Savatage, June 19th. With any luck, I can get someone to buy me a beer at one of these...
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:18:14 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: spam and the like Message-ID: <13657.47429.939644.422883@wicked.stigmata.org>
I mentioned this once already, but it seems as if some people don't listen very well. If someone posts spam, junk mail, stupid shit to the list, E-MAIL ME (skadz@dreamt.org) and I will take care of it. The mailing list is NOT set up to only accept posts from subscribers, so half the time, the people aren't on the list to begin with and they have to be blocked from being able to post.
Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:29:31 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Local Mailing Lists Message-ID: <13657.47928.706581.207785@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
I just wanted to address this topic real quickly. There are currently two local mailing lists for ytsejammers. There is one for Bostonians and one for New Yorkers (well, li'ers, but new york ends once you get north or west of manhattan, so ya know ;) If you are in Boston and want to get on the boston list, email me (skadz@dreamt.org) and if you wanna be on the new york list mail Chris "I kinda sorta live in New York, right?" Merlo (d-man@dreamt.org).
Also, if you would like to set up a local mailing list for your area, email me (skadz@dreamt.org) and I will set one up as quickly as I can. These are NOT real mailing lists, just aliases on my machine, so for the time being I have to do any admin manually.
Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: To Prog or not To Prog Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980513113312.16396A-100000@thunder>
>Regardless of what other people (i.e. Graham Boiled) think about me, I'm >going to write something (GAAAAH!)... >:-) > >IMO, PF's "Echoes" stinks *prog*. 4/4 all the time. And it doesn't really >"fit" with the image of the album ("Meddle"), does it? I mean, every song >there is different. >BTW, anyone else except me who really loves this song?
Admitadly.. Echoes was, for a long time, my favourite song. Very few songs move and shift me around as much as that one. And given that it was written in the late 60s (not recorded till ike 1970 though) it could be one of the earliest "proggy" songs.
And.. for a real good trip.. turn on "Echoes" at the exact instant that the title for the last part of 2001 appears on your TV screen.. ("Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite"). The match PERFECTLY (and i believe intentionally as well.. since the early floyd boots of echoes had lines such as "planets meeting face to face" etc etc.)
BTW: I am *still* depressed that I never got any ticket stubs to keep after the DT shows. Damned bouncer at the Philly show tour mine in half. grr. Careless. Great show though.. prolly one of my best concert experiences ever (even better than Rush).
-Ponte
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:41:38 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Club Gigs/Derek Message-ID: <13657.48276.458533.802994@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
Just wanted to address two threads that have been going on here lately real quickly.
Someone sent a post some time over the weekend, I think, which said he hated club gigs. I have to totally and completely disagree. Club gigs are THE only way to see a band. I have been to concerts numbering in to the hundreds in the last few years and I think about 10 of them were not club gigs (this includes Rush twice). When you go to a club, you get alot of advantages. First of all, you can actually see the band. Second, when the 7 foot guy stands in front of you in a club, you can move. If you are in a seated venue, you are STUCK. In a club, the acoustics are usually better too since the place is kinda designed for music instead of a hockey game. Lastly, tell me the last time you stood five feet away from your favorite artist at an arena show? Front row tickets are hard to come by, whereas getting there earlier or cutting the through the crowd is a breeze. :) Just my opinion, but if any bands I like that are doing clubs now start doing bigger places, I hope they throw in a club gig or two here and there to balance out :)
Secondly, a few people have been talking about Derek and his personality. Well, I just have to say that he is a great guy and has always been good to me both in person and over the net. Real nice guy, who I think really loves being in DT and is trying to enjoy every minute of it :)
Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:49:08 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: when posting to the jam Message-ID: <13657.49217.285182.560275@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
Just some more moderator stuff :) When you are posting to the jam, PLEASE turn off things like special fonts, HTML email, etc. I am sick of seeing two things: WINMAIL.DAT and a message with the same message in HTML after it.
Also, please LIMIT the quoting you do when you reply to a message. All it does is take up space and waste bandwidth. If someone is reading your reply, they probably already read the original message or they wouldn't wanna read your reply in the first place :) Just send a line or two which is pertinent to the reply, don't send the whole damn message. If someone really wants to read the original, they can go back and find it.
Thanks! Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:04:32 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Note from the Moderator Message-ID: <13657.49494.211737.279039@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
Well, I think I have gotten most of the mail I wanted to send out, so I will send this one now. Alot of people seem to be wondering why the hell I started posting again and reading and laying the law down, so I thought I would explain. (and the rumor the paul "gimme some" cashman is trying to start about missing drugs is completely untrue ;) (irc joke ;)
First, I want to apologize. In the last few months between my work schedule and my constant attempt to have a life, I have let the ytsejam get out of hand. I didn't have the time to read and I didn't have the time to keep up on the unsubs and things just got out of control. Alot of people got away with stuff I normally would not allow, but since I wasn't reading and only hearing things via IRC or something, I didn't do anything about it. I mean that Mike guy starts posting to the list I run and I heard about it on IRC ;)
So, this past weekend, I was heading down to New York for Mother's Day and found out DT was going to be playing NY and NJ right aroung the same time, so I decided to take some vacation time and go see them. The shows were incredible to say the least (more on this later), but what they really did was wake me up. For the first time in a while, I remembered why I took this job a long time ago (its been two years now). I did it because I love this band and love talking about and hearing about them and talking to the fans of the band. Over time I have probably met somewhere around 200 jammers and its always nice to meet these people I have been talking with over the net for so long.
So, I want to say thanks to all of you for making this list what it is and ask that we try to make it even better. I want this list to be something I and everyone on it enjoys reading. And remember, it is your list, so make it a good one. Some of the guys in the band read the list and I don't think they need to hear any bullshit or stupid shit, I think they really wanna hear what the fans have to say about them and about other things which interest them.
So, in closing, if you have any questions, comments, etc, feel free to send them to me. Things in my life are getting a bit calmer slowly but steadily and hopefully I will be able to keep up on mail and do my best at moderating this list.
Thanks, Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:07:55 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IRC - Internet Relay Chat Message-ID: <13657.50326.519155.368850@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ...
Haven't plugged this in a while, so I thought while I am sending a flurry of posts anyways, why not? Dr Mosh and I have set up two IRC servers which are connected to nothing but each other for the purpose of chat about DT and all things progressive. The servers are:
irc.dreamt.org and irc-2.dreamt.org. You need to connect on port 2112.
If you know nothing about IRC, get an IRC client from TUCOWS or something and try it. IRC is basically a chat network much like AOL's chat rooms. Get on to one of the servers and join the channel #ytsejam and come chat. There are almost always people around.
If you have any questions, feel free to email me and ask.
Skadz
--- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:07:48 -0400 From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I suck as hard as a whore Message-ID: <199805131607.MAA01404@ia.cs.wm.edu>
The Working Man graced my inbox with:
> Now, if this shit with Winmail.dat still happens, PLEASE give me some > advice on HOW TO GET RID OF IT! My appreciation would go beyond > understanding! Thank you!
Most Micro$oft products give you an uninstall icon. You should look for that. And, hey, while you're at it, uninstall Windows 4 and DOS 7, and fire up a real OS. Then you don't ever have to worry about how your e-mail looks.
:)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:16:02 EDT From: SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Female Prog Fans Message-ID: <43411e90.3559c744@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/13/98 6:04:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Before proofreading..., "Trevor W. Hoit" said: > >> << In my own fucking car (if I'm with my girlfriend) >> she bitches at me to "turn this fucking shit off" (DT)! >> >> DUMP HER! DUMP HER! DUMP HER! That relationship is doomed. Get her >> outta' >> here. >> > Dude, if we dumped every girl that didn't like prog we'd all be >gayer than hootenannies. > Better to be gay, or not get laid, then compromise your musical integrity. If it ain't prog... it's worthless... ;) >>
Hey Ytsejammers, I am a WOMAN and I looooooooove prog rock and DT is my favorite band on the entire planet. I knew a few other gals as well who like prog and they rock in my book so don't go gay, boys, because we women with TASTE are hard to find..justwatch out for us. I'll be at the House of Blues shows in LA both nights. Can't wait!!! Ian, John, Joey---ya ready to rock??? RICK/CHARLIE/"D" - I'll be looking for ya! I'll be the short girl with shoulder length straight burgandy red hair and green/blue eyes..Screaming my head off freaking out and on cloud 9!!! hehhee.
*Celeste* SoulShker@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:53:30 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE, DT/ELP/DP, LatM Message-ID: <01BD7E99.1D851940@Traveler.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Andreas Hult asked :
> And what the hell is LTE?
To everyone who recently subscribed: LTE stands for "Liquid Tension Experiment", an instrumental project with Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, Tony Levin and Jordan Rudess... For more info, including Magna Carta's official LTE biography and reviews, visit "Under A Cyber Moon" :
http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Find all you need on my site... If you Take The Time. ;-) _____
RASI asked :
> Ok, I'm not really in the know here. Who knows anything about > this concert do all three bands have equal billing, or does > one(ours) open for the other two?
It's not just one concert, it's a short tour... Not all the dates and venues are confirmed yet, but there's a tentative list of tour dates on the "Tour Information" page of "Under A Cyber Moon" at :
http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Hope I'm not annoying anyone by mentioning UACM on every other digest (several times)... Just trying to be helpful here. _____
Mauricio Martinez Villarreal asked :
> Why in hell did DT put out LatM with only 6 songs in it? > They could have squeezed at least 2 more songs they did > in the same show, couldn t they?
As far as I remember, it wasn't Dream Theater's choice to release that CD in the first place, and they weren't even involved in picking the recording/songs.
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 05-13-1998
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:59:21 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ozric Tentacles in San Francisco (NDTC) Message-ID: <v01540b00b17f8f05b1a9@[205.134.245.206]>
Good news for Ozric Tentacles fans. The band will be playing at the Fillmore in San Francisco in June 5 (9 p.m.). I got my ticket today. It is $20.35 with that darn service charge. Got get your ticket now!!
They have an opening band but they have not announced who yet. But my guess is "Melting Euphoria" since they are in the same style as Ozric and they are in SF.
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Plugs Message-ID: <199805131648.MAA04996@fuzzfactor.com>
<no, not the kind Shatner got...>
Gee, I've had my Sonic II's for a while and the only time I ever had a hearing fatigue problem was after the Yngwie show at Daytona's where I was about 3'-4' from one of the house mains. The sound is still LOUD, but it's much clearer than with the foam plugs. The foam plugs are a LOT more comfortable, though. The problem I have with the foam plugs is I cant hear the treble. Being a singer, I want to hear those high harmonics in JLB's voice. I also want to understand the words. I don't have a problem with the Sonics. Maybe I just have Super Hearing!
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:08:00 -0400 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: name the song Message-ID: <199805131702.NAA03758@bertelsmanncis.com>
from graham: >Why do I have to keep repeating myself ? >Why do I have to keep repeating myself ? >Why do I have to keep repeating myself ? >Why do I have to keep repeating myself ?
i repeat myself when under stress i repeat myself when under stress i repeat myself when under stress
(name the song)
--MATt
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:12:05 +1000 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I need your help. Message-ID: <3559D465.C852E7E8@sydney.net>
The iban wrote: > spam spam spam spam spam spam spam eggs and spam > someone use an anonymous emailer and unsub this jerk =] > Rocky
/me bangs my head against a brick wall.....
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