YTSEJAM Digest 3897
Today's Topics:
1) Oops / earplugs
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
2) Re: today's specials - $10 goodies (CDr)
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
3) New video from DT???
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
4) Lisa Marie Spaketh of Left Coasters
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
5) girlfriends and other things
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
6) Divine regale
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
7) Re: Prog windows sounds and Prog Girlfriends
by Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
8) West Coast??
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
9) Re: New video from DT???
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
10) Ok,it's my turn...
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
11) Re: West Coast
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
12) Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
13) Last Call For SF DT Pre-Show Gathering
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
14) Re: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
15) Re: new millennium radio edit
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:31:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
To: We have assumed control <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oops / earplugs
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980514092650.156417A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Sorry about posting twice. I didn't think the first one went thru 'cuz
my shit mail system (pine, of which I will soon be free) crashed after I
sent the first one. Anyhow...
Someone mentioned using triple flange earplugs. I remember using those
10+ years ago when I visited a shooting range (10 out of 10 holes on the
black, tankyouveddymuch [tm]). So which do you guys think is better --
the triple flange kind or the foam that you cram into your ears? Better =
cut the sound as much as possible because my hearing is already shot. :)
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : I'm gonna graduate!
Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : I'm gonna graduate!
stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu -or- ytsekirby@geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:40:50 EDT
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: today's specials - $10 goodies (CDr)
Message-ID: <40ce116c.355b0273@aol.com>
Hi everybody,
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I just want to get everybody's ok on
ordering CD-R boots from this guy. Is he reliable?
Thanks,
Art
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In a message dated 98-05-14 10:26:43 EDT, you write:
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:13:03 -0400
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: today's specials - $10 goodies (CDr)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980514001258.007f4db0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
<<<<$10 per disc ($20 for double set)
$1.50 shipping per disc ($3 for double set) US only
$3 shipping per disc ($6 for double set) outside US
No artwork - B&W insert with title/setlist
To order, send the following:
1. check or money order for correct amount (don't forget shipping)
2. a note specifying the CD(s) you want
3. your return address
Eric KAI Rodger
3201 Salisbury Ct.
Wexford, PA 15090
For questions, e-mail kai@fore.com.
>>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:56:21 PDT
From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New video from DT???
Message-ID: <19980514145621.13746.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello!
In recent JAM,someone mentioned something about there might be a new
live video from DT in the near future.Has anyone else heard about it?
I'd love the tought of new DT live video!
~Jani~
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:26:16 -0800
From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lisa Marie Spaketh of Left Coasters
Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA10168A75A@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Define West Coast, Lisa. (: I'm stuck in a closet with Pearl Jam up in
Seattle, and I am afraid that I'm missing out on not only 'prog chicks'
but rides to shows that don't exist up here. I'm going to make the grand
assumption that you're in good ol' California. (: Anyone wanna hijack
the tourbus and drive them up to my backyard for a brief show?
-= norg =-
> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:17:55 -0700
> From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: Female Prog Fans
> Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980513161754.0073bb48@postoffice.pacbell.net>
>
>
> At 04:04 PM 5/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >Ok, then, where are the east coast prog females?
>
> I'm telling ya Damon... move to the west coast!
> Prog chicks, AND rides to shows... how can you beat that?
>
> ;o)
>
> Lisa Marie
> ytsegirl@pacbell.net
> http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl
>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:25:58 EDT
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: girlfriends and other things
Message-ID: <d0a224eb.355b0d07@aol.com>
re: girlfriends
you're telling me some of you folks won't stay with a chick if she doesn't
like dream theater. what if she's incredible in bed? what if (god willing),
she can suck a golf ball thru 50 feet of garden hose? i think even I could
make amends. ahh, it don't matter. my gfriend doesn't complain about what i
like (at least she didn't mind going to a dt show with me).
re: thought industry
is it just me, or did metal blade release a brand new thought industry cd
without the world knowing? i was at tower yesterday, and there it was. looks
like live, remixed and unreleased stuff (did they break up?).i forget the
name- it's long, but looks interesting.
re: tori amos
the new album smokes! if any of you are unsure about whether to go for it,
TAKE THE PLUNGE. she affirmatively answers a crucial question- "can she
groove"?
that's it for now. peace.
wild koba
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:36:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Divine regale
Message-ID: <199805141536.LAA10387@fuzzfactor.com>
Did anyone else hear the Dwight Hill has left Divine regale?
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:56:57 -0400
From: Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog windows sounds and Prog Girlfriends
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980514115657.007aa690@objectpeople.com>
I sometimes use the last few seconds of Caught in a Web as my Windows
Closing sound, works out pretty cool.
And on the subject of prog-loving women, my girlfriend's great... she even
did her term paper for 20th Century Music on Symphony X's Divine Wings of
Tragedy :) She can even play the soprano sax lines from Another Day :)
============================================
Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
The Object People
(613) 225-8812
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:00:51 -0400
From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: West Coast??
Message-ID: <355B1533.6CA3@mtu.edu>
>>At 04:04 PM 5/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Ok, then, where are the east coast prog females?
>I'm telling ya Damon... move to the west coast!
>Prog chicks, AND rides to shows... how can you beat that?
I'm wondering if this isn't the real reason Scott H is moving, hmmmm....
Matt Stanich
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Jani Liimatainen <sirjani@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New video from DT???
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980514120434.24598A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> In recent JAM,someone mentioned something about there might be a new
> live video from DT in the near future.Has anyone else heard about it?
> I'd love the tought of new DT live video!
all in due time, my friend. all in due time.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:06:56 PDT
From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ok,it's my turn...
Message-ID: <19980514160657.25065.qmail@hotmail.com>
Well,I know I'm kinda late with this,but who cares?
Here's my opinions about I&W and Awake.I haven't listened FII enough
to say anything about it without sounding like I didn't know what I'm
talking about...
Images & Words:
1. Pull Me Under : A-
Great song,but I've listened too much of it.
Kinda long intro.I absolutely love the part
where band stops and James goes:
"Watch the sparrow falling..."
2. Another Day : B
I liked it at first,but now I think it's a bit
boring.Great guitar solo!Really show how JP can
"play for the song"
3. Take the Time : A-
I like it.James goes really high on this one.
Nice guitar/keyboards interplay.
4. Surrounded : B+
First I thought they totally ruined the song
when the band kicked in,but I've started to
really like this one.My girlfriend likes to
sing along with this one,as well as PMU.
5. Metropolis : A+
I love this one!It's a blast to play along with!
This was the song that really dropped my jaw when
I heard I&W for the first time.
6. Under a Glass Moon : A-
I really like vocals on this one.Also great guitar
solo.This one is has it all.
7. Wait for Sleep : B-
I loved this at first,but now it really bores me.
I guess it should be played right before LTL,
it really makes a great intro.
8. Learning to Live : A
This is THE prog song of the album.It has some many
themes and movements,that it's stunning.Myung also
did great work with lyrics for this one.
Awake :
1. 6:00 : C
I don't like this too much.It's boring.I usually skip
this one.Great intro,tough.
2. Caught in a Web : B-
I didn't like this one either at first,but I've found
some good bits out of it recently.Lyrics are pretty good.
3. Innocence Faded : B+
REALLY poppy chorus!Kinda boring at the beginning,but
gets better after first chorus.The end of the song is
very good,and I like the solo.
4. Erotomania : A+
I love this one!So does my girlfriend,and that really
amazes me.She even made me tape this.I love playing
along with this.Guitars and keys are really good all
the way.
5. Voices : A-
This song is really moody.I like the lyrics.Great song
to listen in a dark room,when I'm really fucked up...
6. Silent Man : B
Nice song,but bores me a little...
7. Mirror : A-
Ok,I know this should be about my opinions,but I just
have to say that my girlfrien as well as my mother
really like the intro on this one.And so do I.
It gets boring in the middle,but gets better again
in the end.
8. Lie : A+
GREAT lyrics!Really heavy song.I truly love this one.
The solo in the end,where Mirror takes over again
is one of the best I've heard!
9. Lifting Shadows of a Dream : B
Really mellow,and a bit boring in the beginning,but
the instrumental interlude in the middle is great!
10. Scarred : A+
One of the best on this album.Really emotional.
Great lyrics again.Good solos from both,Kevin
and John.
11. Space-Dye Vest : A-
I guess I'm a bit tired of this song,otherwise
it would be worth A.Everyone who I've played this
to has liked it.I like the use of samples here.
Ok,that's about it.Remember,these are all "IMO",so there's no
need to be offended.Hell,it's my second post today.I'm really on
tonight!!!
~Jani~
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:34:55 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: West Coast
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980514093455.00ac98f0@mail.legato.com>
Okay you guys are going on and on about how there are so few Prog Females
out on the wrong, er oops East Coast....hehehehe
My Question is....when are we Correct, er West Coast Prog Females gonna
meet some prog males out here???????
I have been lovin awesome music (which I found out later was progressive
music) for ages...yet I can never seem find a guy out in California who
likes my kinda music too! Yeah, yeah I know there are a slim few of you
out here (Moosh, Spine, Ryan, Jon K). You guys are going on about how hard
it is to find a good prog lovin woman when some of us prog lovin women
can't seem to find some good prog lovin guys
/me waits for an Amen from the Lady Jammer Congregation....
Coldfire
GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List
http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:44:32 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E790563@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Kevin "Too much of a wuss to make King Diamond" mumbled incoherently:
> Mike "Division by Diet Coke" Blevins speculated:
> >Part of the problem at Daytona's was WHAT you were hearing -
> the sound was
> >very un - musical, and overly bright, which does more
> damage, as high end
> >hearing is more sensitive than low end. I believe that's the
> case, anyway -
> >anyone care to correct me if I'm wrong? :)
>
> I have to agree that the high-end is more easily damaged. When I
> have my hearing exam every so often (as mandated by work), in the
> last seven years of listening to a certain kind of noise (not
> music, but I am not getting more specific), my high-end hearing has
> been damaged greatly. I use the triple flange shooting earplugs,
> and they kick some serious ass for concerts. Even Yngwie doesn't hurt.
Hmm. Kevin Madden, Spy. :) Seriously, there are two things I have learned
over the years of pounding my hearing:
1. The expensive (12db of reduction) Sonic II's do work - triple flanges and
all - but are rather uncomfortable, and I can't wear them while we're
playing. That's OK, though, because our stage volume is about half of what
most clubs run at. The reason Yngwie is so freakin' loud is that he plays
INSANELY loud onstage, thereby making the soundman have to crank the mains
to get a good mix. "If it's too loud, you're too old" no longer applies -
I've seen shows that were SO loud they weren't even LISTENABLE, much less
enjoyable.
2. Cymbals are the worst, man. If we rehearse the day after a show, EJ can
put me in some severe pain just by hitting a crash when I'm near it.
>
> Cd of the Day: Death - individual thought patterns
>
Good one, although I liked "Human" a bit more. Did you hear that HammerFall
is supposed to be the opener on the tour this fall? Kinda odd...
Steve Z. stammered...
> I love when I catch Stacey singing along to DT.
>
> > I love that woman. :)
>
> Ahh. I know the feeling.
>
This is the same woman you introduced to me as your "Friend"? :)
Sorry, man, but have to rag on SOMEONE... :)
> hello all. i am new to the list, a guitarist, and a big fan of
> lots of different music including heavy progressive stuff like
> Cynic and Meshuggah, a lot of wierd underground prog metal like
> Spastic Ink and Spiral Architect, and jazz and fusion like Miles
> Davis. i like Petrucci's playing and DT's heavier, more
> instrumental songs, especially the 7 string. i absolutely love
> the LTE disc, partly because it captures a spontaneous live
> jazz vibe like the early Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Scott - long time no speak! This guy's in a really cool progressive thrash
band called Ataxia - or at least used to be, I didn't read the .sig
Check them out - I loaned the tape to another band member and haven't been
able to get him to give it BACK!
NP: Narnia - Awakening. Christian Yngwie?
Mike
Division - With King Diamond, tonight. With Savatage, June 19th. With the
fishes, if you cross me again...
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:55:24 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Last Call For SF DT Pre-Show Gathering
Message-ID: <01BD7F1E.6B0B6FE0.dthomas@best.com>
This is it. It's this Saturday afternoon. If you're interested in
attending, and haven't talked to me yet, e-mail for information and
directions. Thanks.
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of CG software, books, games, comics, music movies and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:07:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
Message-ID: <199805141707.NAA95130@node3.unix.Virginia.EDU>
According to Blevins, Mike:
>
> > Cd of the Day: Death - individual thought patterns
>
> Good one, although I liked "Human" a bit more.
that has the Cynic guys, but i have only heard a couple tunes
from that.
> > hello all. i am new to the list, a guitarist, and a big fan of
>
> Scott - long time no speak! This guy's in a really cool progressive thrash
> band called Ataxia - or at least used to be, I didn't read the .sig
thanks for the kind words.
the band still exisits, but we're down to just me and drums,
since the other 2 guys moved out of town. we did record some
tunes w/o vocals before they left. now we're writing all
instrumentals [easier than finding a singer!] w/ 7 string
guitar, and trying to record more tunes, around working and
stuff. i hope to have a tape done in 6-8 months with all that
assorted stuff on it, but it's moving really slow.
> Check them out - I loaned the tape to another band member and haven't been
> able to get him to give it BACK!
wow, that's cool. send me your address off-list and i can send
you another one. if anyone else is interested, check out the
sound clips on my home page. the tunes are 2-3 years old, old
Metallica style riffs in odd meters. i think they're cool but
i wish we had our newer stuff on tape. i'd be happy to tape
trade with people if anyone wants a demo.
> Mike
> Division - With King Diamond, tonight. With Savatage, June 19th.
good ol' KD. by accident, i played a single [45 rpm] of his on
the radio once at 33 rpm. it sounded like sludge metal with
growling vocals, it was hilarious.
scott andrews biophysics research
sha3u@virginia.edu chemistry department
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: new millennium radio edit
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980514103135.12092B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 14 May 1998, earthblind, starbound wrote:
>
>You call that radio friendly? Now THIS is a radio friendly edit.
You've already lost the audience -- you took way longer than 30-40 seconds
to start the lyrics (something just over a minute). Too too long.
>4:04 without being choppy. Almost not choppy. Not musically choppy, at
>least, but there's a place where goldwave is not the program for the job.
>Within one second the method will be obvious. It's the same one Kevin
>Shirley used to turn You or Me into a pop song.
You mean the one Desmond Child turned YoM into YNM...
>
>Here's "New Millennium," a damn catchy pop song in my opinion.
>
Remember -- radio likes vocals to sing along with -- a minute and 20
seconds for an intro *instantly* makes this much less than radio friendly,
especially when Dream Theater has so much to "prove" on rock radio. Why
go against the grain?
--Matt (the other one)
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