YTSEJAM Digest 3898
Today's Topics:
1) A Request, Spoilers (to come), and a big hello
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
2) Re: DS/Chicago
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
3) Dream Theater-Hollow Years for sale
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
4) Re: prog males/females/coasts
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
5) divine regale
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
6) Re: propz to skadz
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
7) Vai vs. Petrucci
by ujonegr@psf220.lexis-nexis.com (Greg Jones)
8) Part 2 (DT at the Vic)
by someone@enteract.com
9) Dream Theater at the Vic 1
by someone@enteract.com
10) Oh yeah
by someone@enteract.com
11) Blind? BOnus Track: Girlfriends
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) Re: Vai vs. Petrucci
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) Re: Oh yeah
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) radio friendly new millennjium
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
15) Re: Vai vs. Petrucci
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
16) radio friendly new millennium
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
17) Re: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
by Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:39:38 -0400
From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Request, Spoilers (to come), and a big hello
Message-ID: <355B2C5A.666@mtu.edu>
Hello all-
I just got back from a major 2 show DT road trip to Detroit and
Chicago. I'll post reviews of the shows later after my well earned nap
due to driving all night. However, one mission of my trip was to get JP
to use the circus bit from Universal Mind in his guitar solo. When I
asked him about it he said he had thought about it himself and almost
threw it in the Chicago show. So if at any upcoming shows you hear this
bit please let me know. A big hello goes out to Jeff E. whom I met at
the Detroit show (yes stories of the bible toting maniac are coming...)
and to all the jammers at the chicago show (Chris "silent p" P, Scott H
and special guest Geoff Tate [hehehe] just to name a few...). Hope you
all had a great ride home, sorry I couldnt stay and eat, but I got back
with only 1/2 hour to spare so...
Matt Stanich
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:42:32 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DS/Chicago
Message-ID: <199805141741.KAA18600@odin.ax.com>
> Secondly, a few people have been talking about Derek and his
> personality. Well, I just have to say that he is a great guy and has
> always been good to me both in person and over the net. Real nice
> guy, who I think really loves being in DT and is trying to enjoy every
> minute of it :)
When I met him at a clinic about a year ago, he was really cool.
Definitely seemed really casual and, well, cool. As far ashis stage
presence goes, it does look like he's trying to have fun, y'know. I
get the vibe that he's just got a more overt style and that comes
across on stage.
On another note, man, the Chicago concert last night was one of the
best shows I've been to. It was my first time actually seeing DT,
not counting the JP/DS clinic a year ago (yeah, I've been on the list
for this long and haven't seen DT until last night). It was great
meeting all the jammers I met there (I'd name names, but I just woke
up and am still kinda groggy :) and hangin' out before the show and
stuff. It was one of the most fun shows I've been to in a while,
too. Now I just need to get my throat to recover from all the
yelling.
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the
other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'"
-Gary Larson
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:59:27 -0500
From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater-Hollow Years for sale
Message-ID: <355B30FF.4A16BF70@flash.net>
I've got a spare copy of the European pressing of the Hollow Years single for sale
($12---$10 for the cd and $2 for postage). If you want it, e-mail me at
kvill@flash.net
Thanks, Kevin.
Tracks
1)Hollow Years-Radio Edit
2)Hollow Years-LP Version
3)Your or Me-Demo
4)The Way it Used To Be-Non-LP Track
PS-I'd be willing to trade for something also.
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:01:34 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: prog males/females/coasts
Message-ID: <199805141800.LAA18933@odin.ax.com>
Man, you all think it's tough finding members of the opposite gender
on your given coast, try hanging out in the damn midwest for a while
and you'll appreciate where you're at :).
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the
other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'"
-Gary Larson
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:05:12 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: divine regale
Message-ID: <355B3258.B9DEAC97@bdm.com>
> From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com>
>
> Did anyone else hear the Dwight Hill has left Divine regale?
Which one was he? I dont have a cd handy...
As for that Mexican that posts about DT sucking. I just forwarded a few
of
his posts to root or postmaster at his account. They replied with
"Thanks, we will apply our rules to him". You get the drift...
NP:Danny Gatton (RIP)-88 Elmira St (anyone else like this blues guitar
phenom?)
-- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: propz to skadz Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980514140322.21963F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, Skadz, actually, uh, since you asked, Yes. I am blind. Did you forget? Must've not noticed that I was sending the responses to the wrong email address. Hmmmmm, accident?
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:58:08 -0400 From: ujonegr@psf220.lexis-nexis.com (Greg Jones) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vai vs. Petrucci Message-ID: <199805141758.NAA05872@psf220.pclprod.meaddata.com>
In the alt.guitar newsgroups, someone has the gall to say that Steve Vai is much better than Petrucci. Another poster said that they both sounded alike.
I'd be interested in hearing ytsejammer responses. Here's what I wrote:
I would hardly say that Petrucci and Vai sound the same. Their tones may be similar (they're both going for that high gain sound) but they Petrucci is also very heavily influenced by Steve Morse, Allan Holdsworth and Al Dimeola.
Vai taps, uses the whammy bar and wah wah way more than Petrucci does. Petrucci primarily uses alternate picking while Vai frequently incorporates hammer-on/pull-offs as well.
Subjectively, I prefer to listen to Petrucci than Vai because I feel that Petrucci's playing is much more tasteful than Vai's. Petrucci knows when to restrain himself.......something that cannot be easily said about Vai.
Also, having seen both of these guys live in concert, Petrucci had a much better live sound.
Nevertheless, they're both great players.
Greg
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:20:12 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Part 2 (DT at the Vic) Message-ID: <199805141821.NAA12542@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
I'm not gonna get into what they played. I think it was the same or similar to what they've been playing, but I'll let "Setlist Scotty" Hansen (AKA Babyface Hansen) get into that, since Portnoy gave him the setlist and all. Full on the Mouth was great. They were a huge surprise. There was no shred, or prog, or odd time sigs. There were great vocals, REALLY heavy powerful grooves, and a use of some killer sequenced sounds. We hung with the guys in the band after the show, and they're WAY more down to earth than Big Wreck was (they were laughing when we told them that Big Wreck knocked the Bulls at a gig in Chicago, and that the frontman said something to the effect of "That's why you're down there, and I've got a record out and I'm up here") While we were talking to the drumer he told us a story about how when Images and Words came out, he brought it into the band's rehearsal space, and put it on, and got blown away. He said to the guys "You know, it would really suck to have to open for these guys." Jinx. :) Sort of like when Maddy was at a parade and they were throwing candy, and she said "It would suck to get nailed in the head with a jolly rancher. *Thwack*" Full On The Mouth has a great attitude, a killer groove, and some fresh ideas. I have nothing but good things to say about them (and yes, I heard the samples on their page, and yes, I thought they were going to suck, when I heard the samples on their page.) "We're a lot heavier live." - their drummer. You will dig em if you have an open mind, and like the idea of heavy music with somewhat AIC-like vocals. Dream Theater. Unbelievable. I can't describe it. Just awesome. See them. You won't need my description. Highlights were Petrucci's solo, Portnoy's tom solo (especially the part where he brought his daughter out to play along), in which the audience participants from both sides tried to show him up (and they were both really good, but not THAT good), and HOLY SHIT Lines in the Sand. That was the song of the night, folks. After the show, Maddy and I hung out with a Derek and Portnoy a bit, asking questions and shooting the shit. These people are REALLY cool. Got all kinds of stuff signed. I had Portnoy sign my buddy Hugo's DT hat "To Hugo, my Drum Mentor." Pretty cool. Derek's pumped about Platypus. I'm pumped about Impact. I got a pic of me with Derek, with Mike, and with Petrucci (which I had my old guitar teacher get in as well). It is unlikely that you will meet a greater group of people than the DT and their fans. Had dinner with about 6 or 7 jammers, passed off some explosives to a guy from out of state, and went home to crash. What a night!
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:04:23 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater at the Vic 1 Message-ID: <199805141821.NAA12539@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Howdy folks.
Let me tell you something. Dream Theater SMOKES. This was a great show! We didn't have any primates jumping up and beating on the tour bus, and we didn't have any human pinballs, but we all had a killer time! Derek mailed me 2 days before the show to tell me he'd hook me up with guest tix and aftershows (I got really lucky... we just had a good e-mail conversation and he wanted to say thanks, which he did in excess! There was no trick to it.) and while I'm waiting by the box office for them to get the guest list, he walked by.. I said hey, and introduced myself, and he freaked and said he forgot to put me on the list. He ran back inside, hooked me up, and then asked me to drive him to The Alley (it's a store full of Derek clothes). My GF is in the line and I just looked over there nd shrugged... So we decide to walk to The Alley, since it's only 2 blocks away, and here I am just shooting the shit with Derek (who made fun of me for my Fates Warning shirt). I'm thinking "This guy's an asshole? Who's on crack, the people who said that, me, or Derek?" Probably all three. He made it clear that he's totally loving playing with the band, because it's so challenging, and he loves playing a lot of notes (I can only assume that on his Kiss and Alice Cooper gigs he was doing more background stuff.) He's not big on prog in general... he's more of an old Van Halen/Zep type of fan. I guess Derek's word for "cool" in a rock star sense (as in "This is a cool shirt") is "Pompous." :) He would look at a leopard fur jacket (fake of course) and say "This is soooo pompous." He's really big on strange shiny shirts and stuff like that. Before I could insult his nasty taste in clothes, he said "I know a lot of the dudes online and all are downing me for the way I look, and the way I dress, but I really think it's a big part of the live show." He wants to create a memorable image, and put on some showmanship for the crowd, instead of being the dead keyboadist in the back. He said "Van Halen, Keith Emerson... all the great players have a style that you can recognize." I personally never really thought about it... but it's true. Even guys like Zakk Wylde, who don't pay attention to the way they dress, have a style in the way they act on stage, and it is part of the music as a whole... it's something you see in your mind's eye when you listen to the cd, and it's something you expect when you're going to a show. Cool. You learn something every day. So I had to turn Derek down on getting some dinner, because I've got this 2 and a half year committment thing going with my girlfriend, and I don't think I want to blow it for a chance to go eat sushi, even with someone as cool as Derek. This was all way out... totally unexpected. I couldn't believe that I was walking through the north side of the city with Sherinian of all people. Over the course of 2 days, it went from "This is gonna be a great concert", to "wow... this is gonna kick ass getting into the aftershow", to "Sushi?!" What are the chances? Inside we waited with a group of jammers... I won't name names, so I won't have to admit whose names I forgot (though I can still see all the faces!) The front row was ours. All ours. :)
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:28:37 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh yeah Message-ID: <199805141822.NAA12571@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
I forgot to say... I have to unsub for a week, since I'm not going to be by my computer (driving to Tampa). Please cc me in any message you think I should read, or any response to my last couple posts. I'll be back on Wednesday.
Later!
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:26:25 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blind? BOnus Track: Girlfriends Message-ID: <199805141827.LAA27155@cats.ucsc.edu>
Hate to continue this thread, but ...
>> > te quiero romper el hocico >> >>Does this mean, I am a dumb fuckup with no life in Spanish? >> >> No, it doesn't mean that, it means this- >> >> "OK, WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?! Are you fucking blind?
Uh, wait Skadz ... didn't Damon post that? :)
And while we's on the subject of Wimmenz ...
Yeah, it sure sucks if your choice of companion does not respect your choice of music, but it's equally annoying (IMO) if the person you're dating doesn't really seem to like your music, but says they do, goes out and buys DT CDs, wants to go with you to every concert you go to, ans basically tries to like everything you like cause SHE HAS NO PERSONALITY OR OPINIONS OF HER OWN !! ... uh ... not that that ever happened to me, uh, no. Just hypothesizing ...
~Chris
(and yes, I broke up with her long ago)
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| <http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect>http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Vai vs. Petrucci Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980514142225.340A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
<technical guitar stuff deleted>
> Subjectively, I prefer to listen to Petrucci than Vai because I feel > that Petrucci's playing is much more tasteful than Vai's. Petrucci knows > when to restrain himself.......something that cannot be easily said > about Vai. >
That most likely comes from the fact that Vai is a solo artist and basically has everything center around him, whereas Petrucci *has* to restrain himself, according to the songs DT writes. Although he does stray from that in LTE, where gets to showcase a large part of the time.
> Also, having seen both of these guys live in concert, Petrucci had a > much better live sound. >
I've never seen Vai live personally, but I've seen him play on video, and the thing that totally impresses me about Vai is not only the music that he plays, but the "way" in which he plays it -- body-language wise -- it seems like he is very emotionally into what he's playing, and makes it look like it's so goddamn easy to do. I personally think that Vai is more fluid with his playing, while Petrucci (though not as much in recent times) had a tendency to look stiff and not that relaxed. Again, that has changed in this past tour, but I still don't think he's as relaxed as Vai seems.....
> Nevertheless, they're both great players. >
Indeed -- it's probably a case of apples and oranges again. Both of them have a great ability to play with a lot of feeling (ie, "Die to Live" for Vai and the little solo at the end of LtL and the beginning of "Scarred". I prefer Vai for some reason, probably because of his ingenuity with guitar sounds and wide range of ability. But I love Petrucci as well. And this is coming from a person who has never picked up a guitar, doesn't know the terminology, but can comprehend difficulty, and bases his opinion on what I've seen and heard them playing......
-Al
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Oh yeah Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980514143550.340B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > I forgot to say... I have to unsub for a week, since I'm not going to > be by my computer (driving to Tampa). Please cc me in any message > you think I should read, or any response to my last couple posts. > I'll be back on Wednesday. > > Later! >
Oh yeah...and I forgot to say that I hate you immensely after those 2 posts.....just so you know. fucknose.
yours in envy,
Al :P
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:48:50 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: radio friendly new millennjium Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980514144850.007b6630@pop3.afn.org>
>>You call that radio friendly? Now THIS is a radio friendly edit. > >You've already lost the audience -- you took way longer than 30-40 seconds >to start the lyrics (something just over a minute). Too too long.
You're absolutely right. I considered cutting out the whole intro and starting right with the lyrics (it's all or none with this thing...there's no other place you could start them and have it sound like it was meant to start that way). But with that, it sounded like crap and I probably woul have changed the station. Who knows, maybe a metallica fan would have like it, but we're looking for unrealized prog fans, aren't we?
So I decided to lose just a bit of the radio ethic, let it be a 4 minute queensryche-type song rather than a 3 minute pop song. Admittedly, some record exec would probably countermand me, but I'd try anyway.
>>Within one second the method will be obvious. It's the same one Kevin >>Shirley used to turn You or Me into a pop song. > >You mean the one Desmond Child turned YoM into YNM...
Umm, Desmond Child just wrote some extra lyrics. Shirley was the one who said, "Hey, this instrumental section, it's not doing any good is it? How about we cut it completely out?"
"It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:50:18 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vai vs. Petrucci Message-ID: <9886bc2c.355b3ceb@aol.com>
this should not even be discussed, they are 2 different guitarists COMPLETELY. personally, i like vai better, but thats all it is, is an opinion. and Petrucci is obviously influenced by Vai, ask him and i'm sure he will say he is. Petrucci is a great technical progressive guitarist, with a lot of feeling in his playing, and even somewhat bluesy at times. Vai is a wild guitarist, always exceeding the limits of his instruments in every way, he can play with loads of feeling, but i don't think he can really play bluesy, nor does he try to.
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:55:11 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: radio friendly new millennium Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980514145511.007b39a0@pop3.afn.org>
Rather than post another copy, which I can't having no space, consider that the most radio friendly edit would begin at my 1:03 where the strong double bass guitar/ guitar riff hits, making it literally a 3 minute song.
"It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <steve@fuzzfactor.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices... Message-ID: <199805141854.OAA11229@fuzzfactor.com>
> Steve Z. stammered... > > > I love when I catch Stacey singing along to DT. > > > > > I love that woman. :) > > > > Ahh. I know the feeling. > > > > This is the same woman you introduced to me as your "Friend"? :)
Yeah, same one.
> Sorry, man, but have to rag on SOMEONE... :)
'sokay. I basically just hate the word "girlfriend." It makes me feel like I'm 15 years old. Like:
"I went to the movies with my girlfriend this wekend." "how'd it go?" "Well, first my mom dropped us off at the mall..."
You get the point. :)
Steve Z
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