YTSEJAM Digest 3900
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) Shredder Deathmatch
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
3) Re: Diversity
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
4) Re: Legato
by Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3899
by DrummerEsh <DrummerEsh@aol.com>
6) Ear plugs and Shadow Gallery
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
7) West Coast
by cherylcat@earthlink.net
8) Zach, et al/SF/Not dead yet!
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
9) Blevins and Blevit.
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
10) to jones beach we go!!
by Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com>
11) Re: Live video
by Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com>
12) House of Blues
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
13) House of Blues 2
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
14) Re: Pull Me Under
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
15) IDIOTS
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Re: Vai v Petrucci/Narnia
by q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer)
17) Re: today's specials - $10 goodies (CDr)
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3899
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
19) Re: Vai vs. Petrucci
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:54:08 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hearing, Ataxia, and Steve's word choices...
Message-ID: <199805150054.RAA04511@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before proofreading..., Carol Dellinger said:
>
>how about " Meet my Lady! you will melt her hear, gain more respect and
>yes it's an adult word!
How about "meet my bitch!! She's dope, she listens to some phat music... like
DT, and she looks like <insert favorite supermodel> and can suck a gumball
through a gumball machine without putting quarters in..." ?
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:08:46 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shredder Deathmatch Message-ID: <355B959E.32623D29@imap1.asu.edu>
Hello once again! Welcome back to the Celebrity Deathmatch, where today we have a very special treat! Marv, what do we have for our viewers today?
CHUCK! This looks like a HELLAFIED match between two of theeee craziest shredders you'll ever meet! From the East Coast of the U.S.A., one mean motherfucker of an axe slinger, Mr. John Petrucci! And in the opposing corner, from the opposite coast, Steve Vai! It should be an excellent match!
Alright Marv, our viewers are definitely in for a treat with this one! Bob, what's your take on the matchup?
Both opponents are guitar virtuoso's, both play Ibanez, both get their guitars made to their personal specifications! Vai definitely has the weirdness factor on his side...I haven't seen any yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if his army of little green men came into play! There's no telling what this man will do!
I don't know about our relations with the FCC, Bob, but if he pulls out that little weenie of his our sports broadcasting days may be numbered!
Yes, he does have *THE LITTLE WEENIE*! But don't worry, I don't think he's going to use that too much here. And fuck the FCC, Chuck! As for Petrucci, he has the long hair on his side, and with those chops from hell, I don't think he's afraid of that wacko in the opposite corner.
Interesting take Bob, Marv is with the wacko right now! Marv, how is Little Stevie doing?
CHUCK! LET'S ASK HIM! STEVE, how do you feel about tonight's matchup against one of the fastest shredders on the planet right now?
Well, you know, I don't know. I've been thinking I should try to confuse him at first, or just ease into it, but I don't think I can wear him out very easily, shredders like him don't get tired. So I'm thinking to myself, "Hey Steve, go for the jugular," and you know, it's just crazy enough it might work, and if it doesn't, well you know, I'm just going to make it work, right? I'm really not that good at this, I just make it look easy.
The Jugular, YES! CHUCK! That is what Vai is thinking right now! BACK TO YOU!
Alright, Marv! Right next to me, I have Joe Satriani, mentor of Steve and an incredibly notorious slinger himself, Joe, how do you feel about tonight's matchup?
Well Chuck, personally I don't see what this is going to accomplish, you see I do my own thing and Steve drew a lot of that from me.
Like your abuse of the whammy effect?
Hey, if it fits I use it. Steve's the one with the bar problem. It's a filangal fixation, he always needs his right hand to be stroking something. It's gotten so bad they've added another whammy bar to his guitar!
Will this be something Petrucci can use against him?
You know, it could be, but I don't really know. The battle is all up to the two contenders, I know how Steve's mind works, I don't know how John's works.
Speaking of John, Marv is over in that corner right now! Marv, how is Mr. Petrucci doing tonight?
CHUCK, I'm here with the fastest shredder this side of the Mississippi, John...what is going through your mind right now!?
Are you okay man?
YES! WHY DO YOU ASK?!
Well Steve...man, this guy...what can I say? His chops are incredible, his style is just gushing with passion, he's a very formidable opponent. I think if I can take away his whammy bars, he's screwed.
HE'S SCREWED! YES! Back to you Chuck!
Well, it's about that time the opponents must go to their corners and the bell is about to ring....
~Eckie wonders how many bets this will start....
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:11:49 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Diversity Message-ID: <199805150111.UAA23554@academ10.mty.itesm.mx>
>Why do people want their bands to diversify? There is nothing wrong with >diversifying, but only if it is natural. In other words - they want to >diversify.
maybe cause they want to experiment with new sounds, I really like a band that doesnt sound the same in every record.
> >Why didn't Coltrane whip out a metal riff? >Why doesn't BB King play neoclassical? >Why doesn't Nine Inch Nails play jazz? >
maybe cause they arent/werent good at that or they dont/didnt like that style.. if you want to change and you can you really cant miss the chance. some people just can change but they dont want to, that's ok too, I wouldnt like to hear something someone was unconfortable writing/playing
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:12:22 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Legato Message-ID: <199805150112.UAA30767@academ10.mty.itesm.mx>
on guitar as far I know you pick the first note and you get to the other notes by hammer ons and pull offs. am I right?
At 11:23 AM 3/05/98 -0700, George Tryfonas wrote: > >Answering the question about 'what is legato': at least, as far as the >piano is concerned (I have only studied classical piano, I'm afraid), it's >when a series of notes come out of the instrument so that they sound >linked together. It is the opposite of the staccato, which is done by >just lightly tapping a piano key so that the note sounds sharp and short >in duration. On the piano, to play a legato you have to hit one piano key, >then the next and remove your finger from the first piano key the moment >you hit the second. > >I suppose that the whole concept is similar for the guitar. > >Hope this helps. >George --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174 http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025 "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do your next." Monterrey, Mexico al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:17:11 EDT From: DrummerEsh <DrummerEsh@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3899 Message-ID: <18f4b49b.355b9798@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-14 20:34:32 EDT, you write:
<< Aynone going to some DT shows in 3 days or more. PLEASE E-MAIL ME - balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu I would appreciate it if someone would purchase a program for me at one of the shows. I can FedEx the funding for it to you next day, and include an envelope (postage paid) for you to send it back to me. Pretty please with sugar on top. Help an East Coast guy out. >>
Im going to see DT on may 17th in LA at the House Of Blues I can get you a program if you like.
~Esh~
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:06:43 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ear plugs and Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <000001bd7fa6$1bbb4b80$6f8c15cf@markphil>
Ummm well...
I know the SF concert is on Saterday, but anyway... Last weekend I went to pick up ear plugs. The only one that this store (Wherehouse) had have a 30dB rating. Is that going to be too much? I've never used them before so I don't know how much distortion they cause. Should I go out to say a drug store and look for some with lower dB rating?
I just got Carved in Stone... and I have to say I'm very impressed. The vocals, while not in the range of JLB, make great chords. Also while they may not be technically inclined like DT, they utilize piano riffs very well, and have nice contract in songs.
Mark
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:08:44 -0700 From: cherylcat@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: West Coast Message-ID: <355BA3AA.239F8C17@earthlink.net>
Coldfire, my fellow west coast lady jammer pal, bemoaned:
>My Question is....when are we Correct, er West Coast Prog Females gonna
>meet some prog males out here???????
Ummmm, Carol, last time I checked, the ration of men to women at prog shows is about 25:1. That makes me smile!!!! :-)
rockercat
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Date: Thu, 14 May 98 19:15:03 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Zach, et al/SF/Not dead yet! Message-ID: <199805150215.TAA11337@gv.gvn.net>
Those of you who have fallen out of your chairs at the sight of the "from" address can now pick yourselves up off the floor. ;) Yes, it is really and truly Jen. :) Sad to say that while I have been subscribed all this time, I have not always been able to stay on top of my 'jam reading. Among other things, Keith and I bought our first house late last year, so we've been keeping pretty busy. Anyhow, as a result, I was not aware of any concert dates - yes, shame on me. :P Just today, thanks to a keen eyed person at Keith's work, we found an ad for all the shows at the Maritime (sp?) in S.F. It's been a long time since we saw Dream Theater live ('94) or met up with any 'jammers (Queensryche '95), so we're looking forward to both. :) I suspect we will be properly attired in items from our varied Ytsejam/old DT shirt collection. <g>
Jen
{~._.~} Some people live with the fear of a touch ( Y ) And the anger of having been a fool ()~*~() They will not listen to anyone (_)-(_) So nobody tells them a lie... B. JOEL
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:33:42 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Blevins and Blevit. Message-ID: <000301bd7fa9$e0db2220$6f8c15cf@markphil>
Well, I really couldn't help myself.
I saw the name Blevins on the Jam and I couldn't help thinking about a book I read for English. (This is in no way shape or form a kick at Mike Blevins, whose name reminded me.)
The book is called "All the Pretty Horses" by Cormic McCarthy (While it may have a horrible title the book is awsome. One of the very few good novels I've read for school. Anyway, one of the characters is named "Blevins." When he meets the two main characters, the following conversation ensues:
Grady: "Are you sure your name isn't Blevit?" Blevins: "Yeah, it's Blevins." Grady: "You know what a Blevit is?" Blevins: "No" Grady: "A blevit is ten pounds of shit in a six pound bag."
Greatest quote yet! :)
Mark
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:39:28 EDT From: Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: to jones beach we go!! Message-ID: <5ddfc15a.355baae1@aol.com>
>To get there take to Wantagh Pkwy straight down to the end (southbound) and >follow the signs. The Wantagh Pkwy should be open by Memorial Day according >to officials. (the new bridge started to fall apart and they are repairing it).
Um um um .... I AM THERE!!!
However, if you are coming from anywhere in Jersey, it's the Cross Bronx - Cross Island - Southern State - follow the signs. All in all, very straightforward. At least that's how I get there. :)
Going to persuade a couple of people to accompany me, as well. :)
Alex
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:05:29 -0400 From: Adam Pye <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Live video Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980514230529.007f9100@mindspring.com>
>>From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > >>> I'd love the thought of new DT live video! >> >> all in due time, my friend. all in due time. > >Now, this is the kind of shit I LOVE hearing from insiders....
Hehe.. Mike just THINKS he's an insider... He's really just an average DT fan that gets the chorus to Lie in the wrong place... :)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:40:02 EDT From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: House of Blues Message-ID: <21bd08a8.355bb913@aol.com>
If anyone going to this show could grab me a program, I'd reimburse you AND really appreciate it. :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:40:22 EDT From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: House of Blues 2 Message-ID: <9677f033.355bb928@aol.com>
That's LOS ANGELES.
BV
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:45:44 -0700 From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Pull Me Under Message-ID: <355CA978.203D@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
>>1. Pull Me Under : A- >>Great song,but I've listened too much of it. >>Kinda long intro.I absolutely love the part >>where band stops and James goes: >>"Watch the sparrow falling..."
Don't you mean "spawwow"? :)
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:58:16 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IDIOTS Message-ID: <199805150358.UAA06330@gms.gmsnet.com>
You people are idiots!!! Ear plugs are a scam!!! Haven't you realized that the only way to improve your hearing is to listen to L O U D music?
Excercise those eardrum muscles!! FEEL IT LOUD MOTHERTRUCKERS...
:)
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:08:55 -0700 From: q9720680@mail.connect.usq.edu.au (Paul Dyer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vai v Petrucci/Narnia Message-ID: <355CAEE7.37FD@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
Both are obviously excellent guitarists.....I believe the difference is:
Vai is a guitarist (ie sacrifices songwriting for pure shredding)
Petrucci is a songwriter (ie sacrifices pure shredding for songwriting)
Depends on what sort of music you like as to who is the better player.
Cheers
Paul D.
BTW - could anyone give me some info on Narnia? I have heard a lot about them in the last few weeks...is there a site I could look at?
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:23:45 EDT From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com, icarus@sydney.net Subject: Re: today's specials - $10 goodies (CDr) Message-ID: <957ebf9f.355bd162@aol.com>
Well, I've heard the saying, but never had a damn clue what it meant!
Art -------- <<<Ever heard the saying: 'Never look a gift-horse in the mouth' ?
graham>>>
AEllis1222 wrote: > Hi everybody, > I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I just want to get everybody's ok on > ordering CD-R boots from this guy. Is he reliable?
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:41:17 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3899 Message-ID: <19980515054117.7869.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I'll make this short, DT rocked, James' voice wasn't shitty, and the >band had a blast playing up there! >Bottom line, great show, made up for last October's dissapointment.
Well, Jeff just perfectly captured what I would have said about the Detroit show.....not sure if the Mosh pit talk started up before or after reports of this show, but there was some action going on all around/behind me for a long while..... Portnoy at the end of the show, "I don't know what the fuck just happened, but thanks a lot"....
but then, mosh pits can be a good thing, too.....seeing as how i started out 5th row and got shoved up to breathing over the neck of the guy in the front row.....
As Jeff said above, last October's DT in DEtroit on Devil's night was pretty much a hellish show, what with painful sound, me getting lost (at 5'6". that's not saying much) in a forest of tall people, the crowd shoving all ways and my legs killing me all night.......
Tuesday for me was as good (almost) as last October was bad....I thought maybe it was just because of the fact that I could SEE the band, and watch their hands and fingers move and CONNECT with the music, even as I was getting buffeted from behind....as opposed to being shoved around with no space to go to with obstructed views on all sides......but reading reports of those Jammers I met (hey Christian, Joe, Mark, John) and those i expected to see but didn't run in to (Jeff, Andrew, where were you guys?), the sound was actually better this time around.....
the mosh pit did finally get to me....i was clipped at (seriously) about the three minute warning, and staggered out of the building, and was damn glad not to have any classes wednesday, cuz i wouldn't have been able to walk to them......
but before that, what with Under (Pink) Floydian Skies, the appearance of Melody, the trooper, etc, etc and all the other good stuff, it was all cool, even full on the mouth
whatever the reason was, I had one HELL of a time, just may be the best show i've had the fortune to witness, and for that I wanted to say "thank you Mike Portnoy, and pass the sentiment on to the rest of the guys"
with minor apologies for the ramble and the self-indulgence,
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
p.s.: Kai: got any birthday specials going on? mine's next Thursday :)
(j/k of course)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:03:25 PDT From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vai vs. Petrucci Message-ID: <19980515060325.10753.qmail@hotmail.com>
>In the alt.guitar newsgroups, someone has the gall to say that Steve >Vai is much better than Petrucci. Another poster said that they both >sounded alike.
Hmmm...I think there's guitarist who sounds like Vai.He's got his own style,no doubt about that.But to say he's better than JP?I don't think so.Different would be the word.You have to remember,that Vai is a solo artist,while JP does great job playing within a band.
JP also has some Vai influeces (listen the solo for "Under a Glass Moon"),but they definately don't sound the same.
> Vai taps, uses the whammy bar and wah wah way more than Petrucci > does.Petrucci primarily uses alternate picking while Vai frequently > incorporates hammer-on/pull-offs as well.
Well,that's the stuff Vai is know for.JP is more of "Traditional" guitar player,if you know what I mean,while Vai is the master of making guitar sound like something else.
> Subjectively, I prefer to listen to Petrucci than Vai because I > feel that Petrucci's playing is much more tasteful than Vai's. > Petrucci knowswhen to restrain himself.......something that > cannot be easily said about Vai.
I also listen JP more often,and I think that it's the sense of playing for the song with taste,that makes JP the guitar god he is. But personally I think Vai really holds back a lot.Listen to the solo for "Rescue Me or Bury Me".It takes forever,before he starts really burning.He almost lays back too much(IMO).I wish he would more often just go for it...
> Nevertheless, they're both great players.
Now,this is where I agree completely. By the way,does anybody know what Vai has been doing currently?
C-YA!
~Jani~
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