YTSEJAM Digest 3906
Today's Topics:
1) LTE
by "Nilton da Silva Júnior" <a9415530@mbox.ccs.ufsc.br>
2) Re: LTE
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
3) We Need Boots From This Leg of the Tour!!!
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
4) It's like, you know? Brah! (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3904
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
6) summa
by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
7) the beauty of Pine (NDTC)
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
8) Re: Cannabis Man
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
9) Re: We Need Boots From This Leg of the Tour!!!
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
10) Re: the beauty of Pine (NDTC)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
11) spock's beard
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
12) Lefter Coaster
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3900
by EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3900
by EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
15) Re: pics and stuff
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
16) Tonight...
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
17) the wake of Magellan
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
18) DT in Philly/Camden
by Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
19) LTE sound clips?
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl>
20) Petrucci's rhythm guitar playing.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:29:39 -0300
From: "Nilton da Silva Júnior" <a9415530@mbox.ccs.ufsc.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE
Message-ID: <355D94C3.B1C3877C@mbox.ccs.ufsc.br>
Sorry 'bout my ignorance but...
Someone could tell me what's "Liquid Tension Experiment" :-}
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:50:20 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE
Message-ID: <355D999C.1CCCA4E9@sydney.net>
Nilton da Silva J=FAnior wrote:
>=20
> Sorry 'bout my ignorance but...
> Someone could tell me what's "Liquid Tension Experiment" :-}
Yep, it's a secret experiment that NASA astronauts carried out on a
recent
mission to Uranus...
graham
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:20:38 EDT
From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: We Need Boots From This Leg of the Tour!!!
Message-ID: <14bdd226.355da0b8@aol.com>
Hi Gang -
Well, either you're all making boot copies and holding out on the rest of us
(if so... BASTARDS! ;-) ), or people just aren't doing it, maybe assuming
that others will do it, but either way, I am very surprised at the lack of
mention of boot recordings from this leg of the DT tour. I think it's almost
over too (I haven't checked the tour calendar in a while, so I'm guessing).
Anyway, somebody PLEASE get some boots from the rest of the shows. From what
I've seen, John DiBella has the only one from Irving Plaza, but he says it's
not a perfect recording. I noticed a post about a web broadcast from the HoB
coming up. My modem connection sucks too... can ANYONE snag this baby that
has a killer net connection?
I would just hate to see a set list of this quality go by the wayside without
being... er.... "sufficiently preserved for posterity". ;-)
Laterz.... Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:51:54 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: It's like, you know? Brah! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980516145154.0071b8e8@pop.pipeline.com>
Matej "I am not a Ptacek" Grginic boasted:
>Don`t even try to pronounce it hehehe (especially the surname)
>U gotta love these european names :)
My guess is Mat-ay Gerginitz. Not to be confused with
Papa Smurf's arch enemy, Gargamel.
Stephen "my name ain't Steve" Dedalus said:
>That chick
>reminds me of Steve Vai, she's so original in her phrasing.
She's so original that she reminds you of someone else? Uh, McFly?
Been snorkeling too close to the that unexploded ordnance in
Monterey Bay over by Fort Ord? ;-)
Nilton "Junior is not a Portuguese word" da Silva asked:
>What is "Peruvian Skies" about ?
It's about some guy from Brazil who is about to be
referred to the FAQ for the answer by about 40
irate Peruvians. Look to the sky, man, tell me
what you see!
CD of the Day: Memento Mori - Songs for the Apocolypse Vol. IV
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
First Round of the Playoffs vs. Phoenix Coyotes
Detroit Wins 4-2
Second Round, vs. St. Louis Blues
Detroit leads series, 3-1
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:47:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3904
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980516103555.15359B-100000@enteract.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:45:03 -0500
> From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" <curth@execpc.com>
> To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3903
> Message-ID: <199805152045.PAA28716@mailgw01.execpc.com>
> Maddy AKA Margaret sed:
> > Pre-show: We arrived around 2:30 in front of the Vic and met Matt Stanich
> > ( I know I'm spelling that wrong) Scott "Really, I'm 26!" Cook
> Heh heh - I can see it now - Scott "master of bootleg artwork" Cook is
> scratching his head saying "I don't remember being in Chicago on
> Wednesday!" Actually its Scott HansEn <------ note the spelling - last
> thing I'd want people to think is that I was related to those little girls
> from Oklahoma!! Oh and did I tell you, I'm really only 12!! :) :) :)
>
EEK! I offer my most humble apologies...I told you my brain was fragged.
:)
> > Pulling another feat of weaseldom, Scott got a photo pass. :)
> Great. I can see it now - from now on I'll be known as Scott "Weasel"
> Hansen - thanx Maddy! :) :)
>
You're quite welcome! Oh, did I mention I have the utmost respect for
weasels?? Besides, that whole act of pulling you out of the crowd on your
way back front could have only be accomplished by something akin to a
greased weasel, seeing as how you made it from the front of the venue to
the back and all the way back up in under 3 minutes or so. You know,
trying to get you up front again was like pulling a slinky out of a
garbage disposal with the disposal running...
> > All in all, it was a kick-ass night. Hopefully, Scott will find someone
> > with a scanner *hint* and delight us with pictures of sweaty, crammed
> > Jammers. :)
> Gee....I wonder who would have a scanner...hmmmmmmmm :)
>
*coughMADScough* Hey, it's only Wisconsin... :)
Oh, and to clear up any confusion...
Mads = Chris Maddy = Me
Just a general comment, not directed at you, weas--, um, Scott. :)
> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:49:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: Vai v Petrucci/Narnia *DOH*
> Message-ID: <199805152149.RAA26257@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>
>
>
> This e-mail has been brought to you by Christian, who just got a call from
> Chris Ptacek who's already in Tampa! Will this be another Battle of the
> Universes (reference to both of us having Ibanez guitars, but I don't think
> so, I suck dead goat cock compared to Madsman...).
Glad to know it...keep him away from sunlight, don't feed him after
midnight, etc, etc... :)
Today's lesson: never respond to a Jam using pine... :P
-Maddy
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:35:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: summa
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980516113043.95008H-100000@yellow.weeg.uiowa.edu>
For the few that know me here, I'm unsubbin and goin home fer the
summer--in case u try to get ahold of me. "Tate", I'll get yer pics to ya
soon as their developed, and as soon as I'm done gloating over my pic w/
Animal =) Have fun in sunny CA Scott!!
-Majesty-necklace-man-
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:50:58 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: the beauty of Pine (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980516124900.539221808A-100000@drew.edu>
On Sat, 16 May 1998, Madelaine wrote:
> Today's lesson: never respond to a Jam using pine... :P
Which reminds me, I know I won't be able to keep my school account forever
and I really love using pine. Are there any ISP servers out there that use
pine?
Thanks,
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:37:30 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cannabis Man
Message-ID: <199805161736.KAA12203@odin.ax.com>
> Did you really need to ask that? Hugo has no shortage of self esteem.
> However, if he continues his quest for the title of "Cannabis Man" he will
> need to purchase "Clear Eyes" by the pallet.
I seem to remember someone in the line saying something like "you
know you're really baked when they can blindfold you with dental
floss."
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the
other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'"
-Gary Larson
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: We Need Boots From This Leg of the Tour!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980516104142.26615A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sat, 16 May 1998, MTeiper wrote:
>
>Hi Gang -
Hello.
>not a perfect recording. I noticed a post about a web broadcast from the HoB
>coming up. My modem connection sucks too... can ANYONE snag this baby that
>has a killer net connection?
I'll try -- I've got a T3/Ethernt connection, but I dunno if I have the
RAM to successfully juggle an 80kbps connection on the ever-unstable
RealPlayer and capture a 44.1KHz sound file at the same time. I tried it
before with the last HoB liveconcert deal, and got crapped out because of
net congestion. I'll give it another shot, though, for the team (grin).
>
>I would just hate to see a set list of this quality go by the wayside without
>being... er.... "sufficiently preserved for posterity". ;-)
>
I agree completely. ^_^
>Laterz.... Matt T.
>
--Matt
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:09:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: the beauty of Pine (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980516150850.27222U-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Can you clarify that Pine reference about not responding to a jam using
pine? I am in bounce mode and have no trouble. And as far as where isps
are that use pine, Concentric Network uses it. Outside of them, you will
have to lok for a mom and pop isp in your area. if you live in New Jersey,
email me and I can give you some help.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:23:46 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: spock's beard Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980516162346.007a88a0@pop3.afn.org>
Does anyone have any complete songs by Spock's Beard? I've checked out some of the samples on the web site but they all seem to be sort of neo-prog, happy chorusy songs. No real sense of how good the instrumentals are or how much there is of them.
"It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:16:24 -0800 From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lefter Coaster Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA10168A765@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Lisa Marie darling, I would be happy to teach you how to drive a bus. Really I would. *grin*
I was actually half tempted to hop into my car and drive down for the San Fran show and pray that I could get a ticket while I was there and then worry about finding a motel to crash in. The thing that sucks is a) it takes 14 hours to drive down there and b) i have to work on Sunday morning. Blah. Someone wanna soundboard the show for me? (:
Trevor, you and I must get together sometime. Especially since your ratliness is going to the LA shows. Die. (:
-= norg =-
Lisa Marie graced us with her presence by bursting forth:
>Define West Coast, Lisa. (: I'm stuck in a closet with Pearl Jam up in >Seattle, and I am afraid that I'm missing out on not only 'prog chicks' >but rides to shows that don't exist up here. I'm going to make the grand >assumption that you're in good ol' California. (: Anyone wanna hijack >the tourbus and drive them up to my backyard for a brief show?
Yup, you guessed it... sunny, er, rainy California! If I knew how to drive a bus, I'd be right there for ya!
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:33:47 EDT From: EVO V <EVOV@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3900 Message-ID: <b0a9f4a8.355e063c@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-15 02:18:44 EDT, you write:
<< Vai is a guitarist (ie sacrifices songwriting for pure shredding) >>
What the fuck kind of idiotic bullshit is that? You must be another one of those dumbasses who listens to everyone else bitch at Vai because he can play fast. Apparantly you've had your head shoved to far up your ass to actually LISTEN to some of his songs, like, lets see, Die To Live, touching nothing over 8th notes, or how about Hand On Heart? Watch what you say unless you know exactly what your talking about. Andy D The Next Steve Vai
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:39:54 EDT From: EVO V <EVOV@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3900 Message-ID: <7268eea9.355e07ac@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-15 02:18:44 EDT, you write:
<< By the way,does anybody know what Vai has been doing currently? >>
I haven't really had the time to mail him lately and ask whats goin on, but the last mail he sent me, about 2 weeks ago he wrote this.......
<<Hi Andy, how are you doing? Thank you for asking about the bees, they are doing fine. I don't have too much time, I am still moving into the new house and getting things settled, plus recording. I have a lot of material worked out for the new cd and I'm sure the fans will be dropping like flies once they hear some of the songs, it's definatly different from the past things I've worked on. I haven't got a clue as far as a release date, but I will tell you as soon as I have a clue on it. Keep in touch and keep playing! Later, Steve>>
So thats about it, I'll mail him again and ask whats goin on lately, probably the same though. See ya all around. Andy D The Next Steve Vai
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:03:38 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: pics and stuff Message-ID: <355E0D3A.D76EE1B7@netins.net>
Does anybody else think this is a doable idea? Here's kinda what I had in mind; I get as many pictures from concerts as I can, I scan them in. Then I make a static website on the CD that has the pictures broke up by city and each page has a picture, who donated it, and a little description. This will also give everyone a chance to see what some of the other Jammers are like. Since 650 Meg of JPGs and HTML is a whole bunch I had also thought about throwing on some MP3s from the concert if anybody had any. I'd really love to do this but I'm gonna have to rely heavily on other folks for the content. Is anybody willing to help? Drop me a line or post to the Jam if you have any ideas.
thanks, tk
> > Mads had mentioned scanning some photos. I have a scanner and a CD > > burner. If anyone from the Chicago show, or any other show, has photos > > they would like scanned, I'd love to do it. I can either email you the > > files or put them on CD. If I get enought I might throw them all on a CD > > and distribute them to the Jam and a memento of the '98 tour. > That's a damn good idea. > > Dale R. Newberry > drnewb@spiff.net
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Date: Sat, 16 May 98 15:35:01 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tonight... Message-ID: <199805162235.PAA00598@gv.gvn.net>
Here it is, 3:28 PM, and we have not left town yet! I asked Dave last night about the 'jammer get together and did say that I made no guarantees about attendance. Right now, it's looking like when we get into town, we'll need to check in (can any of you San Franciscans tell me what's up this weekend that's caused almost every hotel to be booked??) and grab some dinner, so there's not much time pre-show. :( I'll be looking for list t-shirts! :) (As for us, Keith's wearing an I&W shirt and I'll have on list stuff.)
Jennifer
o.-.o Some people stay far away from the door ((^)) If there's a chance of it opening up O) _ (O They hear a voice in the hall outside O/ \O And hope that it just passes by... B. JOEL
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the wake of Magellan Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980516220941.539204985A-100000@drew.edu>
Can anyone be kind enough to send me the tracklist of this Savatage album? My friend lent the CD to me tonight, but he couldn't find the case for it.
Thanks, Brandon
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:22:03 -0400 From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT in Philly/Camden Message-ID: <355E57DB.6F36D50D@enter.net>
I have word that the DT/DP/ELP concert will be coming to the E-Center in Camden N.J. on August 14, 1998. Tickets to go on sale June 12.
If I found out more before an official word I will let yall know.
Later
Bruce Duesterhoeft
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 01:58:38 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE sound clips? Message-ID: <199805170558.BAA16264@antonia.webhost.cl>
Hi there.
After catching up with a LOOOOT of ytsejams (thank God for digest mode and procmail), I finally understand that "Liquid Tension experiment" is an album that features Portnoy and Petrucci, along with other guys I've never heard about before (sue me). There is still one point I haven't gotten:
What kind of music it is? Is it, as the name suggests, experimental music (in some way)?
Besides that, is there a sound clip of the album somewhere? I'd sure like to hear it first (don't tell me "hear your radio", because radios over here do more than SUCK, and they definitely are not any help). I mean, I firmly believe in "try before you buy"...
Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:06:52 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petrucci's rhythm guitar playing. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980517000650.0069c048@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey, I had an argument/discussion with someone on the IRC the other night about Petrucci's rhythm guitar playing. I said that I heard a lot of James Hetfield influence in Petrucci's rhythm playing, and someone disputed me and we had a good discussion. Anyway, to back up my point, here's what John Petrucci said himself in the February 1998 issue of Guitar For the Practicing Musician:
MASTER OF PUPPETS -- Metallica "I had heard other Metallica records, but this was the album that really made an impression on me. I loved the heaviness of their sound and their tight riffs. This was a record that influenced my rhythm playing more than my soloing. ALL THOSE CHUNKY RIFFS THAT I PLAY WERE INSPIRED BY METALLICA."
You heard it from the horse's mouth :)
I really hear a lot of Metallica in Petrucci's playing. The most obvious example to me is the riff right when the heavy guitar comes in in Pull Me Under. That's in the old-school, downpicked thrash style...even though it's not really 'thrash' per se. Just the style. It's riffs like that that originally turned me onto DT's music in the first place. Other blatant examples could be parts of UAGM, Metropolis, almost every song on Awake, A Fortune in Lies, BMS, Peruvian Skies, and especially on the DT cover of Damage Inc. :) Mind you, I said "parts" of those songs. Petrucci just seems like a melting pot of musical and guitar knowledge, and he really shows off a lot of facets of his abilities everywhere...but it's his rhythm playing that most impresses me. Well, that and that fucking awesome sweep-picked arpeggio in his instructional video....you know, the one he spends 5 minutes diagraming and describing, just to rip through it in 3 seconds. :)
John's a badass, and I'm REALLLY looking forward to seeing this monster live on Wednesday.
Laterz all,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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