YTSEJAM Digest 3931
Today's Topics:
1) Opening for ELP
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
2) Nick Storr...
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
3) Blasphemy & KJLB
by Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se>
4) Andre Matos
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
5) DT Set list
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
6) stuff.
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
7) DT/DP/ELP
by AL <al@isd.net>
8) LA sunday-random stuff
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
9) DT & SAVATAGE NEW BOOTS!
by "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
10) LA monday
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
11) New Yes, Page and Plant etc...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
12) a couple other things about the LA shows
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
13) Re: Fates Video
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
14) DT review
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
15) Fw: A phone scam:
by "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com>
16) No new vocals
by Martin Udo Becker Filho <martinbecker@vanet.com.br>
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 02:22:18 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Opening for ELP
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980526022218.008b68a0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Here is the setlist I think they should play...
Gettin Jiggy Wid It
Foolish Games
Basketcase
Smells Like Teen Spirit
MMMBop
Tubthumping
Humpty Dance
Return to Innocence
BitterSweetSymphony
And close with
Unforgiven II
Aw yeah, that would be a hell of a DT concert.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:24:35 +1000
From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nick Storr...
Message-ID: <356A8A53.F1EABD47@winshop.com.au>
If Nick Storr is reading this, can he please email me. The 'easypost'
mail bounced my message.
Btw, if anyone hasn't checked out Nick's band's (Day Of Honour) sound
clips at their website (members.easyspace.com/honour) then do so. Great
stuff.
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:25:18 +0200
From: Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blasphemy & KJLB
Message-ID: <v03020904b19047348d3f@[130.237.155.29]>
I like Genesis with Ray Wilson.
Even Priest without Halford is acceptable.
Hell, Maiden without Dickinson is ok, at least Balls to Picasso came out of
the split as a good thing!
But DT without James LaBrie...NO NO NO NO!!! I know he isn't leaving, and
I hope it will still that way. DT without James would be as much of a shame
as Queen could have been if they had continued without Freddie Mercury.
Some people are not replacable. Kiss never sounded like Kiss without Ace
Frehley. I NEVER want to hear anyone else sing Surrounded or Trial of
Tears. Noone could do James' stuff justice. He's the man, he's so bad he
should be in detention! ;)
What do you btw think would be the most blasphemous split in rock (outside
OFB)?
I vote for if Rush replaced any one of their members. :)
Michael K.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:28:58 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Andre Matos
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980526202858.0070f880@powerup.com.au>
Peter Andersson wrote:
>What's great about Matos Voice? I have only heard Holy Land of Angra. Even
>if the album is good I find Matos a pretty poor singer. Sometimes good,
>sometimes boring, sometimes realy poor, but never excellent.
Sorry, for a second I thought you were talking about Andre Matos from Angra
there. Obviously confused, right?
The man has one of the best voices around, easily up there with Keeper-era
Michael Kiske and mid-80s Bruce Dickinson. If you consider him to be a
poor singer, I'd love to hear who you consider to be great.
>In Make Believe (from Holy Land) during the end minute or so, he even sings
>false. Not just a little, but much!
I just listened to it and, sure enough, he sounds great there. What does
'false' singing sound like, exactly? Enthrall me with your definition,
please.
Sorry, I'm just a little pissed off.
Spiff
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:13:17 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Set list
Message-ID: <9446f149.356aa3ce@aol.com>
Big Swifty suggested this set list
New Millenium
Burning My Soul
6:00
Take The Time
Hollow Years
Just Let Me Breathe
Pull Me Under
6:00 AND Just Let Me breathe. Don't you think these two songs are very much
alike - as far as vibe? I would definitely say one or the other - but not
both. Personally - I'd choose 6:00 - cuz I heard JLMB twice recently :o)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 04:22:20 PDT
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff.
Message-ID: <19980526112220.12424.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Well, today, I went out and got Images and
>Words......and what the hell?
Heehee.She doesnīt get it.I canīt wait till she gets her hands on ACOS.
-Ville-
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:31:32 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT/DP/ELP
Message-ID: <356AA814.C309A55@isd.net>
Well for what it's worth... I have seen all three bands live.
I think a surgical mix of prog & Metal would go well with that listening audience
regardless of the band they came to hear. My personal choice for a set list would
be as follows:
ACOS part I & II - A great opener. Period!
Lifting Shadows - Live, this one is a real attention grabber.
Peruvian Skies - Something for everyone, and great live.
Lines In The Sand - This needs no comment.
Trial Of Tears - ELP fans will love this one. Derek will win their hearts on the solo.
Metropolis - Show them who the prog gods are!
Pull Me Under - A Good closer with fair recognition.
This gives good coverage of FII, and includes something from every KJLB album.
DT is not going to win that crowd with the "pretty" stuff. Stick to the prog and
don't get into the real heavy stuff, the "older" folk's may label them as a thrash band.
Shock them at first, wind down and do some mellow stuff, then slowly build to full
speed. This should get the pace makers working overtime for some of the older DP fans! I have
auditioned DT to over a hundred people, I usually ask what they
normally listen to, then select a tune accordingly. I can either get them to love em'
or hate em' simply by track selection. This I know to be true.
Just my 2 cents...
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist And NO, I did not misspell that!Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 04:54:33 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LA sunday-random stuff Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A2EA@ms.kallback.com>
Well, I'm back in the land of rain after a killer trip to sunny LA for the DT shows last weekend. You've already seen the setlists and heard how great they were, but I thought I'd tell y'all a little about my trip and some things I saw/heard and people I met. Sunday I arrived at the HOB and got in line. Why do I always get the lamest people behind me in line? This time it was two teen Beavis and Buttheads. Beavis was trying to describe his first blow job to the yet-to-be-blown Butthead. Then they talked about the songs they wanted to hear. They wouldn't even say Ytsejam for fear of mispronouncing it. Pretty funny. Inside, the front row was taken, so I just dorked around, looking for people in ytsewear. I met Rick Audet (hey) and some others I forgot (sorry). FotM was ok. DT was great. Suddenly I felt a big hand rubbing my bald head and it turns out it was Doc Mosh who I had met last August at the Marillion shows. Outside I saw DS waiting for his car with his brunette(!) woman. I talked to him for a bit. He seemed to be in kind of a hurry to leave so I wasn't going to ask for a picture, but his woman saw my camera, and asked if I wanted one, so who am I to say no? :) Then I went out front and JLB was out there talking to a few people. Some guys asked him if they would ever play SDV and James said only if KM was on stage with them. Then they asked about Another Day and Surrounded and he said they were going to try and work those back into the setlist in the future. He signed my I&A, then said "Is that all you want me to sign?" Then he grabbed my program and signed that even though I didn't even ask him. Cool. Monday follows....
Trevor
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:08:28 +0200 From: "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT & SAVATAGE NEW BOOTS! Message-ID: <000401bd889e$feb30f80$496a9ec2@default>
Hello fellow jammers, OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS is proud to present it's first two regular releas= es: Savatage "The Age of Discovery" and Dream Theater "Static Progress". Dream Theater "Static Progress" (OAN CDR03) is a 150 copies limited edition double CD-R set recorded during "Touring into Infinity World Tour 97/98" in Bourges, France on April 17, 1998. Track List is the following: CD-R 1: 1. The Crimson Sunrise / Innocence 2. Just Let Me Breath 3. Lie 4. Take the Time / Freebird 5. Peruvian Skies 6. Scarred 7. The Darkest of Winters 8. Ytse Jam Total running time: approx. 63min. CD-R 2: 9. Pull Me Under 10. Trial of Tears 11. Speak to me 12. Metropolis / Learning to Live / The Crimson Sunset Bonus Tracks: 1. Caught in a Web (incl. Angel of Death teaser) 2. Lifting shadows of a Dream 3. Surrounded 4. Erotomania Tracks 1-4 were recorded live at the URAWA BUNKA CENTER, Saitama, Jap= an on January 24, 1995. Total running time: approx. 73 min. "Static Progress" will include Ren=E9 Magritte's "The Double Secret" as cover artwork, as well as pictures of the band and logos. The sound is excellent, as always. The price will be $28 for Europe and $29 for US and Canada. Please note that the number of your CD will be allocated on the FCFS basis i.e. if your payment comes in second, the number on your CD will be 002 and so on. To order this cd please follow the same instructions as when you ordere= d "Into the great unknown" (those who didn't have a chance to order it plea= se e-mail me for details).However, since we have received a lot of payments = via regular mail with no difficulties, it is up to you to decide whether you prefer to send the payment registered or not. If you are interested, we offer quantity discounts. Please e-mail me fo= r more details. Following are the details of the Savatage "The Age of Discovery" CD (OA= N CDR-02), available as of Monday, May 25th in a strictly limited edition o= f 75 copies. OAN CDR02 SAVATAGE "THE AGE OF DISCOVERY" A double CDR set recorded live at La Locomotive, Paris, France on Novembe= r 12, 1997. The Wake of Magellan European Tour CD1: -ocean -welcome -the chance -jesus saves -turns to me -handful of rain -the storm -this is the time -the hourglass -blackjack guillotine -the wake of magellan CD2: -band introduction -dead winter dead -edge of thorns -believe -gutter ballet -guitar solos -hall of the mountain king -silk and steel Bonus Tracks Recorded Live in Tokyo, Japan on June 6, 1996 -one child -doesn't matter anyway -mozart and madness -alone you breathe -starlight Total running time: approx. 133 minutes. Source of the main show is an amazing digital audience recording. In fac= t, it is so good that I've had hardly anything to do while mastering it. The= CD will come with full-scale professional artwork, gloss paper, color CD lab= els etc. The price will be $28(Europe) and $29 (USA and Canada) including shippin= g. Take care, and I count on hearing from you ASAP, Volodya of OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 05:39:01 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LA monday Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A2EB@ms.kallback.com>
I got in line early. This time the couple behind me in line had never even heard of DT. They just won tickets on the radio. They asked me if I knew a lot about the band. I said "A little bit." They said they like Metallica. I didn't want to confuse them so I said they were kinda like Metallica meets Rush. I met Calvin and Rick again. We got in and I got up front in front of DS and JM. I spotted a cute burgandy-haired woman and said "Are you Celeste?" and she said "Yeah!" This was definitely the best of the 8 DT shows I've seen. Couple of questions: In the drum solo, what was the "Reign of Blood" part? After TTT, who does the song Moby Dick? When the second fan was drumming, someone held out a beer bottle. MP did a little riff on that and then it shattered all over a beefy security guard. He didn't look amused but took it pretty well. Then Bruce D. accidently poured most of a bottle of water on another suprised bouncer dude. There was no moshing and the crowd was not pushy. I could've almost swung a dead cat and not hit anyone, and I was at the rail. This was a nice break from most shows where the guy behind you is giving you an anal probe and didn't even buy you dinner first. About 3/4 thought the show, the Metallicouple left and I quickly pulled Celeste up next to me. She didn't resist too much. :) She wanted to hang out after but her ride wanted to go. Next time, though. ;) After, I hung out in front, and eventually everyone came out, one at a time, including Bruce D., and Ray Alder. Bruce had another Maiden guy with him. Adrian something? I don't know. I was never into Maiden. Sue me. Some fans were downright stupid and rude. Everytime someone came out they would yell and scream and jump all over them. We Jammers (me and John(?) and his friend from UCSD) just hung out, respecful-like, and waited til they were done. JLB came over to us and said something like "You must be the cool fans".
MP came out with his family, the assholes swarmed him, and he said "Just let me get my family on the bus first", but they wouldn't leave, so his wife had to stroller Melody across a busy Sunset Ave. by herself. That pissed me off. Then this guy had the balls to ask him if they needed a rhythm guitarist! While I was ROTGLMAO, Mike just said sarcastically, "What do you think?" When JP went straight to the bus, the psychofans started saying shit like "Oh, he thinks he's too good for us" but they shut up when he came back. More stupid questions like "How much does it cost to go to Berkely?" I got some cool autographs like JP and MP on my LTE and JM on my SM single. Then we went to eat at Mel's diner with Mosh and Audet. Bill Maher was there. Ain't Hollywood cool? Trevor
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:25:50 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Yes, Page and Plant etc... Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F10@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
Got the new Yes album the other day - actually it's not that new anymore. I think it's rather cool, although I haven't had time to get my teeth into it yet. I think Chris Squire makes all the difference. I also got tickets for Page and Plant who are playing the BJCC Coliseum, Birmingham, Al. on Monday 1st June - I think it's gonna rock - anyone else going (I don't know if there are any Alabama jammers).
Cheers,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:27:34 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a couple other things about the LA shows Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A2EC@ms.kallback.com>
Charlie D. was there both nights. Supposedly, if Kev Mo had shown up they were gonna do something from WDADU.
When JM came out, he was carrying his bass. Ever hear of a roadie? Does he sleep with it?
ytsetrev
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:29:53 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates Video Message-ID: <356AC3D1.DD2A5BE1@goodnet.com>
MTeiper wrote: > > I don't know if anyone responded to this yet, but yes, it is a professionally > recorded video of an entire performance of "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" along > with some conceptual stuff. It was released by Metal Blade, and it's > excellent! I had a hard time finding it, but it IS out there. Keep an eye > out - it rules! I hope this helps. You can also order it online, it is pretty cheap ($12 or so)... Go to http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw/videos.htm, there is a link to a few online sources for the video. It is a must for Fates fans and anyone who missed the performance of APSoG live.
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> Home Page / AZ Concerts Mailing List - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:44:24 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT review Message-ID: <356AC738.B03171D@home.com>
Check out this link...... it has a review of DT. They give DT 1 out of 3 stars for "artistic rating"!?!? WTF????
(They do give a decent review of I&W, Awake and ACoS, though).
http://www.shopping.com/ibuy/MusicCDCassettes/show_performer.asp?performer_id=P%20%20%20%2017134
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:04:43 -0500 From: "Francesco Mescino" <f.mescino@som.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fw: A phone scam: Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980526140443.00696944@mail.som.com>
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:18:31 -0300 From: Martin Udo Becker Filho <martinbecker@vanet.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: No new vocals Message-ID: <01BD8898.55077300@MARTIN>
Jeff Hochberg wrote:
"The only way I could picture DT without James would be without a = vocalist, period.=20 If not James then all-instrumental."
100% right, Jeff. JL is the one and only. I can't figure anyone else = singin' ACOS or PMU... Sammy Hagar - Geeze ! Pretty (...) face from Skid Row - C'mon, this is serious ! Andr=E9 Mattos (Angra) - He's my compatriot but, N-O W-A-Y ! Who's next ? Tony Martin (Black Sabbath's #1 replacement) ?
I never saw DT alive (although I knew that them went to S=E3o Paulo last = year - dammit !) but the guy have voice.=20 You, lucky guys, that probably saw them alive, can't prove it.=20
No one fits in DT as I know - everybody knows, no one could do.
Sorry, I can't always read the all messages (mea culpa, mea maxima = culpa) so, from where the hell this stinky stuff of vocalist replacement came from ? The BAND IS PERFECT !
'Like a scream but sort of silent living off my nightmares Voices repeating me "Feeling threatened? We reflect you hopes and fears" ' .
+------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------+ Martin Udo Becker Filho - Dr.Mengele email - martinbecker@vanet.com.br UIN 2704402 +------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------+
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