YTSEJAM Digest 3935
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The FORUM gig
by Ville Paukkonen <ville@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
2) jimmy l
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
3) DT playing with DP/ELP
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
4) QR Operation Mindcrime
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
5) Re: Mellotrons
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
6) Chris Merlo: Secret Agent Man
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Re: Mellotrons
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) Tourbooks gone
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>
9) I'm Here
by Richard Warren <rwarren@ixlmemphis.com>
10) Set List for ELP show
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
11) The description of Mellotron
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
12) keith emerson and the mellotron
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
13) Re: KJLB and Tori Duet
by jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
14) James on Take the Time
by Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
15) Mellotron
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
16) SA show-my own little tidbits
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
17) AOL LTE chat reminder
by Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
18) RUSH and DT Album ADVICE
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
19) OZRIC TENTACLES INTERNET NEWS (NDTC)
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:34 +0100 (BST)
From: Ville Paukkonen <ville@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The FORUM gig
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980527004332.201B-100000@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
On Tue, 26 May 1998 Simon Wilkins wrote:
> 2. Has anybody recorded here before?-what is the security like and
> where is the best position!? I plan to take a recordable minidisc.
I tried to tape the previous DT gig in Forum last December, unfortunately
I didn't have a decent microphone back then :( Anyway, I wasn't searched
at the door at all (even though I was carrying a rucksack) and toilets
were large enough for setting up the equipment comfortably (even the locks
work!). I can't say much about the security during the show, except that I
wasn't caught ;)
BTW, does anyone have a good tape of that show? A few days before the gig
somebody said somebody else was going to smuggle a video camera in; I
wonder how did that turn out?
> 3. Any jammers fancy a beer in the pub down the road before the gig?
Of course I do ;)
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Ville Paukkonen (ville@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk) | "Ah, Bowakawa Pousse |
Undergraduate in Mathematics and Computation | Pousse" (John Lennon) |
JCR, Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford OX2 6QA `------------------------'
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:07:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jimmy l
Message-ID: <13675.22749.128089.932472@wicked.stigmata.org>
he's not leaving, so no more discussion about who would replace him :P
On the other hand, if people want to have an intelligent discussion
about singers in general (which has somewhat popped up), I'm fine with
that. Just don't let it turn in to a flame war.
Skadz
God Of All Things Ytse :)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:15:45 EDT
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT playing with DP/ELP
Message-ID: <3c34c2f6.356b5b32@aol.com>
Well - it is IMPOSSIBLE for everyone (let alone 2 people) to agree on a 1 hour
DT set list, but I think there are some things to consider here.
1 - Absolutely, positively NO EDITS. Don't shorten the song so they can play
more DT songs overall. The songs should be played complete. The only
difference should be the little extras and embellishments they have added
through out the years
2 - Definitely ZERO Cover material. Not even Pink Floyd injected into
Peruvian Skies (no matter how cool it sounded, DT needs to represent DT) This
also includes Perfect Strangers (unless jammed WITH Deep Purple). While some
may view it as a tip of the hat, most DP fans will just think "Shit. They
fucked up our fucking band's song." Trust me. Turn the tables. What if Big
Wreck played Pull Me Under and through in their own style. Damn, you'd be
laughing your ass off. Maybe even disgusted. If they want do to any cover
material, they should do 4-8 bars at the very end of their set worked into the
closing song (so as to leave the impression on the ELP or DP fans)
3 - Don't tailor to metal or "light side" music. DT is a band of many moods -
make sure that gets across.
4 - Take the Time SHOULD be played. Sure it will be hard on KJLB, but the
reason the audience sings along during the chorus is because it is a GREAT
CHORUS. So why keep a GREAT CHORUS out of the set list?
5 - DT should reward themselves from the TERRIBLE OPENING slot by quickly
recording a new album and be out on the road headlining again no later than
November :o) I'm only thinking of the band here :o) Oh, and release a damn
Video while they are at it.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:19:33 -0500
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR Operation Mindcrime
Message-ID: <01bd8905$2003be80$745299d1@homewks>
I agree with Peter, QR is a great band, but I also think that they hit their
peak with Mindcrime. Mindcrime is probably one of my top 5 favorite
recordings. Also, if you get Mindcrime and like it you might want to look
around for the box set of Operation Livecrime. It's a great CD and concert
video set.
Mike
Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mellotrons
Message-ID: <1998526203947341@ix.netcom.com>
<<My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did
listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson
invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed?>>
Yup. I don't know WHO exactly invented the mellotron, but Keith;s
main sound was a Hammond Organ and a MiniMoog synth. In fact,
I really can't remember Kieth playing a mellotron ever (if any of you
know otherwise, please correct me). All I know is the three main
mellotron users were: The Moody Blues, Genesis, and King Crimson.
BTW, in case you are wondering, Mellotrons are hardly used anymore
as they are out of date (technologically). I know Robert Fripp uses one
still, and so does the Genesis tribute band The Musical Box.
Matt
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:46:12 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Chris Merlo: Secret Agent Man
Message-ID: <01bd8908$d8ff5e00$290d84d0@korgx3>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Francesco Mescino \|/ ____ \|/
> 312 360-4042 "@'/ ,. \`@"
> Francesco.B.Mescino@som.com /_| \__/ |_\
> or F.Mescino@som.com \__U_/
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
This must be D-Man's secret CIA agent name. I knew that whole gay thing was
just a cover for some secret internet drugbust or something.
Simply put, the only thing better than Andre Matos is the Tylenol it takes
to get rid of the headache of listening to him shriek. Will someone by that
guy a bottle of Viagra?
--KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 26 May 98 18:01:59 -0700
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Mellotrons
Message-ID: <199805270103.SAA29906@network-services.uoregon.edu>
><<My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did
>listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson
>invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed?>>
I believe it was the moog that Emerson helped to invent. But I could be
misinformed.
>BTW, in case you are wondering, Mellotrons are hardly used anymore
>as they are out of date (technologically). I know Robert Fripp uses one
>still, and so does the Genesis tribute band The Musical Box.
The mellotron machine itself may be out of date, but the sound, as
reproduced by synthesizers, is very prominent still, being used by bands
such as Spock's Beard, The Flower Kings, etc... I'm not sure if it's an
actual mellotron being used or a synth emulating its sound. If you go to
<http://www.mellotron.com/mellolis.html> you can see some of the
recordings featuring the mellotron. I was quite surprised with some of
them. :) (Alice Cooper? Aerosmith? Smashing Pumpkins?)
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+
|Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.|
|W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ |
+-------------------------------------------------------+
Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not
possible. -FZ
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:30:08 -0500
From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>
To: We have assumed control <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tourbooks gone
Message-ID: <356B6CA0.2ACC@geocities.com>
Wow, what a response! Maybe next time I'll pick up more -- if they come
back to TX in the next, say 4 YEARS! ;)
-Nicole/Kirby
--
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Kirby on irc.dreamt.org
Technical Writer and Dream Theater Nut!
ytsekirby@geocities.com -- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:41:17 -0500
From: Richard Warren <rwarren@ixlmemphis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I'm Here
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980526204112.007319bc@popmail.ixlmemphis.com>
>thanks for the help on the steve vai workout. now if only mr. warren would
>appear...
I sent a private e-mail. I do not know if you received it or not so I am
responding to your second ytsejam post.
later,
Richard
rwarren@ixlmemphis.com
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Set List for ELP show
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980526213424.13012A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
With many choices, what seems to be most likly is a set that will get
people (sort of a last ditch effort) out to the stores to buy the cd.
Granten Dream Theater will be on EastWest for at least one more album, but
sales of Falling into Infinity didn't do all the label would have hoped.
So here's my thought----
ACOS 1 & 2
BMS
JLMB
Mirror/Lie
Lines in the Sand
Metropolis/LTL/ACOS 7 *or* Pull Me Under
You have to think they still will focus on the new album. I would be nice
though to see something like New Mellinum (I can't see that stick enough),
it kind of sucked that they didn't play that at the Philly show a couple
of weeks ago. But I guess I saw it twice already, so I shouldn't
complain. Trial of Tears would be great to see again too, but I think
they are saving that and Voices for a Dream Theater crowd, more intense
songs.
later...andy
Andrew Miller Resigning himself to the unknown
ytsejam@Udel.Edu he drifts off into sleep. He
wakes in a cold sweat with a
strong urge to vomit.
-question...Who is HE?
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:57:03 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The description of Mellotron
Message-ID: <v01540b00b1912bf3f23c@[205.134.244.179]>
belhai <belhai@drew.edu> wrote:
>My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did
>listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson
>invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed?
Not really. The original bands who used the mellotron are the Beatles, the
Moody Blues, King Crimson and Univers Zero.
Description: magnatic tape playback instrument, based on instruments by
american Harry Chamberlin, designed and built by three British brothers,
Leslie, frank and Norman Bradley.
Mark I (1963-1964) made only 10 machines
Mark II (1964-1967) made 650 machines
Model 300 (1968-1970) made 160 machines
Mellotron/Novatron Model 400 (1970-1980) made 1,850 machines
Novatron Mark V (1976-1981) only 9 machines
Mellotron U.S.A Ltd. 4 track (1980-1983) only 4 machines
Novatron Model T.550 (1976-1978) only 7 machines
All the manufacturer are out of business now. The prices are from $1,500-5,000.
The tapes are from $25-$500.
If anyone is interested ot know more, you can find the info from the book
called "Vintage Synthesizers" by Mark Vail.
Mark Vail also has another book out on the Hammond organ.
Or if anyone wants just the info of Mellotron, I can photocopy the
mellotron section and send it to you via the snail mail. It is pretty long
to type in the jam.
The Mellotron that Spock's Beard used at the Progfest'97 is Model 400 owned
by Greg Walker (Syn-Phonic). King Crimson used Mark II and Model 400.
I heard that there is a cd sample of mellotron plays back samples out in
the market now. If you care try to find it.
Regards,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:52:36 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: keith emerson and the mellotron
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980526215236.007b8d60@pop3.afn.org>
Not only did Emerson not invent the mellotron, he would not even play one.
"It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill,
so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org
This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:12:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: KJLB and Tori Duet
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980526220852.6608A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Tue, 26 May 1998, Chris Willenbrock wrote:
|
| Hell yeah! I'm all for it. Let's see...DT already did a cover of Tori's
| Winter. That wouldn't be that bad of a duet for them.
it'd be interesting...
| Any tool fans here? MJK from Tool did a duet with Tori last year to one of
| her tunes. I don't know how many Tori fans there are here on the
an mp3 of this duet is available at http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens/sounds
| Oh, and by the way...this is my first post to the list...so hi everyone!
this is my first post in...hmm...quite some time.
and chris, cut that base64 shit out :)
--
jOHN jENS + jjens@shell.webzone.net + www2.webzone.net/~jjens
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 03:24:35 +0000
From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James on Take the Time
Message-ID: <19980527032435.NLLH9309@LOCALNAME>
What makes a buch of you think could Labrie could not pull of Take the Time?
I think he could do it consistantly for the month-long stint opening up for
Deep Purple.
Reason number one- he's done it in the past on the Images and Words tour,
and he has improved on singing live since then.
Reason number two- his voice won't be as tired night in and night out. DT
will be playing one hour MAXIMUM! More like 45 minutes. Labrie's voice has
held up since October (when the FII tour began) doing two-hour plus shows.
I'm willing to bet his voice will be perfect, as it has everytime I've seen
him sing two-hour plus sets, on DT's 45-minute sets.
Isaac
"Little green men about four foot
Maybe they wanna' kick some butt.
MO FO" - Steve Vai
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:07:35 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mellotron
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980527000735.00766b74@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did
>listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson
>invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed?
Most assuredly. Everybody knows *I* invented the mellotron.
Sheesh. Next thing you know, somebody else'll be taking credit for my
internal combustion engine...
Brian "Where's The Beef?" Henderson
===========================
Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
===========================
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:02:30 -0500
From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SA show-my own little tidbits
Message-ID: <l03102800b191358870bf@[128.83.168.81]>
Here's some of my own little experiences that made this show extra cool:
first off, I'VE PLAYED ON THE SAME STAGE AS DT!!! (even if it
wasn't at the same time) my band, room 213 (no relation to Dahmer or the
Shining), played at the bluebonnet a few months ago.
I got DS, MP, and JP to sign my Hollow Years single.
my friends and I were really close to the front of the line, so we
were able to get in the front row (my stomach is bruised from the railing)
as for the newest Fox reality show, When Portnoy Attacks!, my
friend got a big glob of salad dressing right in her hair
During BMS, MP pointed right at me during the chorus when I did the
"Burning My Soul!" talk box part. that was damn cool.
I'm reeeeaaaaal pissed at this one asshole, though. I talked to
mike before the show, because I wanted him to do the drum duet with my
other friend Ty who is a badass drummer (he could be as good as portnoy in
a few years), and he told us where to stand, and he would look out for my
friend. Ty was right in front of the riser, and when MP brought out the
tom and sticks, he looked right at Ty and was handing the sticks to him
(THANKS FOR TRYING, MIKE :-), and this tall asshole reached way over and
wrestled the sticks out of everyones hands (that's when Mike made the
comment about seven year olds). this guy also grabbed the mic three times
when JLB passed it over the audience, and he crushed us in the front row
when we were already tightly packed.
other than that guy, the show was absolutly amazing. I really dug
Full on the Mouth. the guitarist had a thick, ballzy tone that made it all
good. OFB was incredible! i nearly died when they went into LTL (my all
time fav. DT song) and JP was about two feet away from me during Flight of
the Bumble Bee, and that was one of the most amazing things I have ever
seen. Nightmare Cinema was so damn cool. I can't think of a concert that
i've laughed so much at: flying Deli tray, Calvin Klein boys, derek
dropping the guitar in nightmare cinema, and dropping drumsticks during
lie, James dragging Petrucci off stage, etc.
this was, without a doubt, one of the best concerts I have ever
been to (even better than Rush and Floyd).
Oh, one more thing, I'M NO LONGER IN ENGINEERING!!!! YEEEEEHAAAAAA! I'M A
LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR! I CAN TAKE CLASSES I WANT, LIKE MUSIC 603A, I DON'T
HAVE TO OBEY NAZI-ESQUE ENGINEERING RULES LIKE 15 HOURS PER SEMESTER
MINIMUM!! MY GPA WILL BE ABLE TO RISE ABOVE A 2.5! I WILL BE ABLE TO TO
THINGS BESIDES STUDY MY ASS OFF AND STILL GET BAD GRADES! YIPPIE!
James C. Shields
No longer a Computer Engineering Major
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
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Spread before you is your soul
So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace
I'm Learning to Live
"Learning to Live"
Dream Theater
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:26:42 EDT
From: Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AOL LTE chat reminder
Message-ID: <3724b816.356b9603@aol.com>
To all you AOL loosers on the 'jam (including me):
This a just a reminder about the LTE chat at keyword: Nightclub
Date/Time: Thursday, May 28 at 10-12 PM Eastern time (7-9 Pacific)
Where: In a special room at Keyword: Nightclub
Who will be there: MP, JP, Tony Levin, and possibly Jordan Rudess.
The chat will be in Q/A format. More info on that at Keyword: Nightclub
Hope to see you all there! I will be taking notes, and I will report back to
the 'jam.
-Ian
The next Zac Hanson ; )
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:10:57 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RUSH and DT Album ADVICE
Message-ID: <01bd892d$d4c8b960$de24c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
now now y'all, rush sold out after /signals/ with /grace under pressure/. i
still think /signals/ is classic Rush, but after that they lost their edge.
i will admit sigs was a new direction for the band, but I LOVE it!
ok i'll get back on topic here:
i'm a relative DT beginner: i have aCoS on CD and IaW on tape from a
friend--should I get IaW, Awake, or FII on CD next time I go music
shopping??? give me advice, because I might not be able to shell out 50
bucks to buy all three as much as i'd like to... is FII worth it or is it
just sell out?
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"Though his mind is not for rent
Don't put him down as arrogant
His reserve a quiet defense
Riding out the day's events."
-Rush
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"It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself--no matter what they say."
-Sting
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"Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way
See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground.
-Metallica
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"Verbing weirds language."
-Calvin
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:38:10 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OZRIC TENTACLES INTERNET NEWS (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01540b00b19165287228@[205.134.227.116]>
OZRIC TENTACLES INTERNET NEWS
The OZRIC TENTACLES will be doing a live concert from California on the
Internet on Sunday, June 7th at 1:00 P.M. (U.S. Pacific time). The
Netcast will be repeated at 8:00 P.M. (U.S. Pacific time).
Have fun,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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