YTSEJAM Digest 3937
Today's Topics:
1) soulshker strikes again
by SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com>
2) RE: KJLB and Tori Duet
by Chris Willenbrock <mcfuzz@ticnet.com>
3) Rush - Subdivisions Question.
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
4) Mod chips for playstations (no DT content)
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
5) Re: Cover
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) Re: selling out
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) Tour Books Please????
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
8) gotta go
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
9) Re: grrrr
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
10) Labrie Bashing
by "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
11) Re: Mellotrons
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
12) Re: Mellotrons
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
13) Re: James LaBrie
by ROBERTO DAVID RODRIGUEZ SAID <al766079@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
14) Re: Rush - Subdivisions Question.
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
15) Symphony X, Dream Theater, LaBrie
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
16) Artistic Changes
by David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
17) New DT Single
by "Oliver Ploier" <Oliver.Ploier@stud.uni-hannover.de>
18) Re: Artistic Changes
by Theiban@aol.com
19) New location for DT Song Book
by Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:33:26 EDT
From: SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: soulshker strikes again
Message-ID: <19ae2f41.356c3248@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/27/98 8:00:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< Well, since we now have nothing to talk about, I'll list the
dissapointments of the LA shows. (Like there could really
be any)
1. No Nicky Lemmons
2. No Nightmare Cinema
3. No drumstick/banana throwing
I have concluded that since all of these things involve Derek,
we should fire him and replace him with one of those cute
little Hanson boys.
I'm done,
Trevor >>
NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo Trevor don't make me fly to Seattle and beat you like
a circus monkey for that one! And especially not oneof those Hanson (gag)
boys...they look like little girls...and damn them all to hell for having such
catchy tunes.
I'll cry if Derek "PimpDaddy" Sherinian leaves...who the hell will we girls
lust after? The rest of the boys are all married so that leaves Derek for us
to ooh and ahhh over.
But yes...I am VERY irked that Nicky Lemons and the Migraines didn't make an
appearance nor did Nightmare Cinema seeing as how I have yet to witness either
of them live.
BUT...we did get one hell of a concert on Monday night. Woohoo!!! Ray and
Bruce...mreow!!! I want the tape of this soooooooooo bad.
Oh and Trev...of course I didn't fight too much when ya pulled me up there at
the rail with you...why would I fight? ;)
~Celeste "SoulShker" King~
"The cute woman with the burgandy hair"-Trevor Hoit
"Those of you who think you know everything are annoying thos of us that do"
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:43:05 -0500
From: Chris Willenbrock <mcfuzz@ticnet.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: KJLB and Tori Duet
Message-ID: <01BD895C.3D71B2E0.mcfuzz@ticnet.com>
"Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net> writes:
> BTW, TURN OFF THE FREAKING MIME ENCODING YOU MORON!
> Welcome to the Jam :-)
*warm fuzzies*
It's just nice to see friendly people helping people out. I love you man!
Hopefully this should work without the garbled mess. I may have to go postal
on my email software.
Chris <crossing his fingers>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush - Subdivisions Question.
Message-ID: <199805271620.MAA07758@camel14.mindspring.com>
I don't really expect anybody to know this one. The Rush FAQ doesn't say
crap, but I know there's a lot of Rush fans here and they're a helluva lot
cooler than the ones on TNMS, so I thought I'd ask.
On the Signals album, Subdivisions track. There is a keyboard that they used
all over that track, and I would like to know what was it that was used
there. When I saw them on the Test for Echo tour, it was a tiny little
keyboard that Geddy had on the top of all his other keyboards and it was
only used on that song. I absolutely love that sound and I'd like to know
what it is...
Since we're talking about melotrons I thought I'd throw that in...
Christian.
____ ____ ____
/\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ When you
/__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ kill a man,
/\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / you're a
/ \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / murderer.
/ / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / Kill many, and
\ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / you're a hero.
\___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / Kill them all,
\_________________________________________/ and you're a God.
(Mustaine)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:27:10 -0400
From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mod chips for playstations (no DT content)
Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322D50@mail.rtp.gtegsc.com>
I remember a while back people were posting about
Sony playstations and someone had mentioned Mod
chips. A guy I work with burns Mod chips for
playstations and does instillations and all that happy
stuff. I had him install one in my playstation and I've
never had a problem. Also he's cheaper than masterchips
for those who have bought from there before.
McKee Technologies
1001 Pennington Way
Apex, NC 27502
http://www.freeyellow.com/members3/mckeetechnologies
"What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread,
when you hunger for life but on death you are fed?"
- M. Walkyer - The Best of Enemies (Wulf's Tale)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:30:04 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cover
Message-ID: <356C3F8C.2C67@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Calvin wrote:
> 3 - Don't tailor to metal or "light side" music. DT is a band of many moods -
> make sure that gets across.
Heh :) Could you take the hem up a little on that coat tail? We want
full metal jacket! They're opening up for DP, right?
LobsterJack wrote:
> Calvin wrote:
> >Wreck played Pull Me Under and through in their own style. Damn, you'd be
> >laughing your ass off. Maybe even disgusted.
Maybe. How can you say with certainty that they would throw in their own
style, or even if they did, if it would necessarily be a bad thing?
> Apples. Oranges. DT's version of "Perfect Strangers" (not the Nightmare
> Cinema one, mind you) sounds pretty damn close to exact, singer not
> included. DT has a knack for right-on covering, y'see. Listen to their
> cover of "Heart of the Sunrise" and tell me JP doesn't sound like Howe. Go
> on, do it! Bring it on!
Completely agree. I enjoy when they play live. Doesn't matter to me if
it's a cover of another band or not. Doesn't even matter if they're
covering a band I may not normally listen to. They're doing what they
want to do.
Someone on here a while back hit it on the head when they said
> Well - it is IMPOSSIBLE for everyone (let alone 2 people) to agree on a 1 hour
> DT set list
Yet 5 will before the show :)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:43:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: selling out
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980527113705.25031A-100000@drac.host4u.net>
:Maybe I'm misinterpreting something here. From what I gather, "selling
:out" seems to mean writing for a specific audience and not listening to
:the musical voice within you. Yes?
see, i think that's bogus because the only person who knows what that
artist's musical voice is saying is the artist.
personally, i think that the "selling out" as it is described here, is
when an artist starts writing music that the person who's screaming
"sellout" doesn't like. everyone on here that screams "sellout" about
Metallica, for example, just don't like the new stuff, so they'll call it
"selling out" since it doesn't coincide with their own musical tastes.
that's all imo, of course. :)
_______________________________________________________________________
Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com
subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock
Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:52:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tour Books Please????
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980527125206.14524A-100000@thunder>
I know Ive asked several times.. but I will ask again..If anyone has it in
their heart to grab an extra tour book, please email me! I wanted one but
they sold out at the Philly show :(
please please please!
-Ponte
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:54:05 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: gotta go
Message-ID: <01IXJ1LBU9TE000M82@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 27-MAY-1998 12:50:22
Thanks to the cutting edge technology of 1983 that Plattsburgh state
possesses, I have to unsubscribe now that I'm not a student any more. This
is my reward for graduating? Funk you! They should *give* me another e-
mail account, just so I can spam their asses.
anyway, I'll be back when I get an ISP.
seeya
PS. Surprise for y'all when I do get back.
...........................................................
Joshua Rasiel
mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: grrrr
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980527133747.25557A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Does anybody think Skaedz would actually unsub everybody? And for the
record, I refuse to take the ytsejam moderator job, unless you bastards
pay me well. I think Skadz does a good job. And I am not saying that
bwecause he can unsub me at the drop of a dime.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:39:41 -0400 From: "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Labrie Bashing Message-ID: <000801bd8996$6e740980$09b3c1d1@dvo.umd.edu>
What is going on here, this list is becoming an anti-dream theater list I think. I read nothing but bashing. I saw the first show of this leg of the tour in Baltimore (Labrie's Birthday as a matter of fact) and he was far better than I have ever heard him or anyone for that matter. Better than the Images and Words tour, the Awake tour, better than Ray Alder, better than Geoff Tate - Labrie just requires a few days rest. Next time the management plans on recording or broadcasting a live show they should take this into consideration. If they broadcasted the Baltimore show, everyone here would be praising his incredible voice and not wasting their time posting replacement singers.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:50:52 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mellotrons Message-ID: <356C527C.18798C1B@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> Yup. I don't know WHO exactly invented the mellotron, but Keith;s > main sound was a Hammond Organ and a MiniMoog synth. In fact, > I really can't remember Kieth playing a mellotron ever (if any of you > know otherwise, please correct me). All I know is the three main > mellotron users were: The Moody Blues, Genesis, and King Crimson. > BTW, in case you are wondering, Mellotrons are hardly used anymore > as they are out of date (technologically). I know Robert Fripp uses one > still, and so does the Genesis tribute band The Musical Box. >
A few quick side notes....There are only 6 mellotrons left in existence. Robert Fripp owns 4 of them. Another musician who has used one on his last album is Bruce Dickinson. I'm not sure who in his band plays one, but there is one used on his "Accident of Birth" CD (which by the way is an AWESOME CD!) It says it right in the liner notes. If anyone wants a description of a mellotron...a good description, go to http://www.elephant-talk.com/
It has a full description of mellotrons on there somewhere....I think the best place to check is the FAQ.
~Chris -- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.
- King Crimson
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:07:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mellotrons Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980527140525.25557B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Let me jump in on the melotron thrad. The actual melotrons are out of date, but you can get samples of them in several places if you are into keyboards. I actually would use the melotron sound if I had a reason to. Bear in mind, too, that Yes used the melotron. Listen to Heart of the Sunrise, or Close to the Edge. And you and I uses melotrons and so does Siberian Catroo. You probably could hear melotrons on Tales from topographic oceans and on Relayer, too. I can't recall when Wakeman stopped using melotrons, maybe after Tormato.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:07:37 -0500 (CDT) From: ROBERTO DAVID RODRIGUEZ SAID <al766079@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar Subject: Re: James LaBrie Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980527130025.26482B-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
On Mon, 25 May 1998 Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar wrote:
> > Hi YtseJammers > > It's for me new, that stuff about firing LaBrie, and in my opinion > I'm still furious because Kevin Moore was quiting a few years ago. > > And about the singers, I don't know what they're looking for, because > they've fired Dominici who was singing right, only because he was old? > > Bye! > > Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar > > PD: Please forgive my english > I don't think that Dominici could have been the best thing for Dream Theater. He did not know how to express those feelings enclosured in the lyrics. Anyone can clearly hear the difference in "The killing hand" or others.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Rush - Subdivisions Question. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980527142808.25557D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, if you are talking about the solo sound in subdivisions, that was a minimoog. I don't know what it is now. For the other sounds, the bass was done by Taurus pedals and the other sounds were probably from the oberheim ob8 or obxa or jupiter 8.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:11:42 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Symphony X, Dream Theater, LaBrie Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980527121141.006f0dc4@postoffice.syspac.com>
Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> wrote: >Another vocalist no one seems to have mentioned yet; Russel Allen, from >Symphony X. He's my fav vocalist and first pick if KJLB ever needed to >be replaced. He's got both power and range as demonstrated in the 20 >minute DWoT.
That would SUCK! I'd hate to see my second favorite band lose their singer and break up! Besides, what's wrong here? LaBrie is NOT leaving Dream Theater. Not now, not EVER. It wouldn't even be Dream Theater without him. It'd be like Metallica losing James Hetfield, or Megadeth losing Marty Friedman, or Rush losing Neil Peart. It just wouldn't be the same band! Also, up until last week, I had the impression from the 'jam that LaBrie was an asshole, that he did nothing with the fans and was abrasive. This is SO far from the truth. I met him last week at the Arizona DT show, and I must say I'd be hard pressed to meet a nicer, more down to earth person, especially in the music business. He seemed to really care about the fans...sheesh, he stood there for 10-15 minutes or so and gave us all a lecture on singing, right after he stepped off the bus.
James rules......end-o-story, OH!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.prognosis.com/obscure/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:23:11 -0400 From: David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Artistic Changes Message-ID: <199805271920.PAA05749@promail1.ee.net>
Andrew wrote: >You might not like the direction that Rush took after >Signals, but it sure wasn't selling out.
EXACTLY Andrew.
Sometimes when a band takes on a new direction or style, many people just are not ready for it, or find it difficult to adjust to the change. It has nothing to do with anything except what the band feels they want to write.
I've been a Rush fan since I was 11 (I'm 29 now) and the last Rush album I bought was Signals, because I wasn't "ready" for their new approach. Well, its been a lot of years since Signals was released, and I am now finding myself more and more interested in the material they produced after that. I'm ready for it now, and plan to soon get into what I call "second generation Rush".
As for DT, their "style change" on FII was a surprise to me, but I was more prepared for it. I think it's an EXCELLENT CD, and shows that Dream Theater can musically move in even more directions than we had thought. Although my favorite is still AWAKE, I guess I was more "ready" for FII than some folks out there, and I hope that Dream Theater continues to enjoy their right to play and record the music they want to, no matter what kinda crazy pyschadelic bluegrass style they come up with next :)
Happy jamming! Dave (aka buster) Hatlee
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:23:13 +0200 From: "Oliver Ploier" <Oliver.Ploier@stud.uni-hannover.de> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New DT Single Message-ID: <000001bd89a6$e54c4800$82d46d0a@majesty>
Hello there, I just like to ask you if there's any new DT-Single scheduled yet? I already asked this 3 weeks ago but unfortunately I didn't receive any answer ;-(( And is there any hope that we can find the song that was promised to be on the HY- Single -- "Where are you now?" Gee, I was so frustrated that this song wasn't on the CD. And after listening to the previously unreleased tracks 5 times (!) on their tour in Europe I cannot wait any longer. The same thing with 'Raise the knife'
Any infos will be appreciated ;-) Bye Olli contact me: Oliver.Ploier@stud.uni-hannover.de
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:46:29 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Artistic Changes Message-ID: <f8563644.356c6d96@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-27 15:44:37 EDT, you write:
<< and I hope that Dream Theater continues to enjoy their right to play and record the music they want to, no matter what kinda crazy pyschadelic bluegrass style they come up with next :) >>
A FUCKING MEN brotha
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:14:53 -0700 From: Michael_R_Kizer@csc.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New location for DT Song Book Message-ID: <85256611.0072DFAD.00@csc.com>
There is a new location for the DT Song Book (and for Fates Warning fans, the Island In The Stream web site)...
Point your browsers to http://www.ivorygate.com and update your bookmarks (or any web page links that you may have). You will also have to reregister any automatic updates (if you had any) by using the NetMind link found on main pages for both Fates Warning and Dream Theater.
If you find any broken links or other errors (I tried to get them all!) send me an email and I'll fix it. Thanks!
~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com Fates Warning~ Island In The Stream / Dream Theater Unofficial Song Book "Everyone's leading but nobody's dancing, you stand on the stage just to turn all alone" ~ Savatage (TWoM)
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