YTSEJAM Digest 3940
Today's Topics:
1) fem jammers
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) re: setlists
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
3) London Gig.
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
4) Re: new singer
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
5) Re: Subdivisions Question
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) Re: Misheard lyrics and a possible convert?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
7) re: setlists
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) YTSEJAMMERS!! we CAN get DT on MTV!!!
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
9) Damon darling
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
10) Re: Damon darling
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
11) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3939
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
12) Mellotrons, Crimson
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
13) AOL's LTE chat, Triage Records
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3939
by Brian Matthew Hailey <bmhailey@seattleu.edu>
15) RIP Phil Hartman
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
16) LTE chat
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3935
by Alejandro <seedrop@usa.net>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3939
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3939
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
20) Answers to everybody...
by "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:44:09 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fem jammers
Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A31A@ms.kallback.com>
Speaking of female Jammers, whatever happened to Jill Quazel and Blondie
Smurf?
You gals still out there?
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:09:55
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: setlists
Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980528220955.507fa742@pop.ici.net>
>Does anybody think Skaedz would actually unsub everybody? And for the
>record, I refuse to take the ytsejam moderator job, unless you bastards
>pay me well. I think Skadz does a good job. And I am not saying that
>bwecause he can unsub me at the drop of a dime.
Are you drawing the bottom line with a dollar sign, Damon? :)
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> The
>elp factin is going to love the prog stuff. The DP faction is going to
>love the harder stuff. This is the perfect venue for DT to play in.
Amen. I don't think targeting the setlist will work, but I'm willing to bet
that if they just play a set that represents the band's work as a whole,
they'll impress *everyone* at the show.
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Another thing I think all the setlist suggesters should consider: Don't
forget what the #1 complaint of no-DT fans is about the band - that they
"overplay" (you know, the old "it sounds like a bunch of guys showing off
how good they are"). If you are going to target the setlist (and I'm not
suggesting here that they *should*), as much as it may offend *our*
sensibilities, you'd have to tone down the musical histrionics.
The danger there is that if you do that, you are no longer presenting DT to
the crowd, you are presenting some watered-down version of DT, and I don't
think anyone really wants that. That's why I believe they should just do
what they do best. If they impress the crowd, fine. If not, it's the
crowd's loss.
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net)
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:29:34 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: London Gig.
Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F17@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
David C wrote...
> Are there any Jammers that can give me advice about parking in
London
> for the forum gig.
Get the train, that's what we did in December, the Tube Station
is real close, so there's no problem. If you have to drive, get to a
quiet Tube on the outskirts of London somewhere then get the
Underground. That gig's gonna rock you in a big way, it's a pretty
small venue so it feels nice and personal.
Cheers,
Dave (a UK Jammer now in Alabama).
PS. Mike Portnoy - if you're reading - what do you think of the Yamaha
DTX electronic kits? (should I be asking questions like that? is there
some unwritten law? - be gentle with me.)
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: new singer
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980528104132.75288B-100000@archa16.cc.uga.edu>
Hi Jammers--
Decided to add my .02 to this old and stupid thread. If James ever left
DT (hope not), I think the best replacement would be this incredible
vocalist by the name of Charlie Dominici. I'm not sure if he's ever been
in any band, but take my word for it, he's good. Although it would
definitely be a change for DT, since his vocals are more in the
death-metal cookie-monster direction. But, he couples that raw and
unbridled growling with the mindblowing power of Russel Allen and Geoff
Tate among others. Plus there would be an age difference between him and
DT, since he is 73 or 74, I think.
:)
Matt Smith
the next Vanilla Ice
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Album Currently Playing: Symphony X--The Damnation Game
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Matt Smith "We say revolution...
ktulu@arches.uga.edu With a cast-iron fist"
-Mustaine
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Subdivisions Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980528141151.11701A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
That small keyboard geddy had on the test for echo tour could be a nord
lead or a roland jp8000. As for the show of hands version of subdivisions,
I think it is weak precisely for the digital keyboards sounds. And the
solo? Geddy, what were you thinking? muddy, string sounding crap. I like
the minimoog solo and I think the song was built around that sound. And I
still think Geddy should've kept the oberheim and taurus pedals and
minimoog. Wonder if he regrets trading those things in now.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Misheard lyrics and a possible convert? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980528141622.11701B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Wait a minute. Are you calling me an idiot simply because I had to figure out how to get on iparty? That's terrible. :) Let's see you guys do it without being able to see the screen.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: setlists Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980528142703.11701C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I never claimed that DT should tone down anything. I just point out that elp fans will love the overplaying, if you want to call it that. Look at Keith Emerson. You tell me he doesn't have a flair for the dramatic? And Deep Purple was for its time, a real hardass band. So, the fans of DP may enjoy the heavy side of DT. This may work out great. I think DT should just play acos and metropolis and then leave the stage with everybody wondering what the fuck just hit them. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:34:59 -0400 From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YTSEJAMMERS!! we CAN get DT on MTV!!! Message-ID: <01BD8A46.0AD4BD60@ppp-09-ts9.nerdc.ufl.edu>
HEY YTSEJAMMERS!
MTV has this program called TOTAL REQUEST and they play videos that = people request STRICTLY by E-mail. WE ALL KNOW that the DT has a VERY = loyal and ONLINE fanbase. I don't know the full details on how e-mail = address and when things get played, but we NEED to organize SOMETHING. = It would be REALLY cool to end the stupid "replace Labrie" threads and = start a NEW one with THIS topic. =20
Here's the deal: We need to organize a day that we ALL send MULTIPLE = E-mails to MTV's total request e-mail address. We also need to pick a = CURRENT video that DT has made for FII. From what I have gathered, it = takes about ONLY 9000 e-mails to even GET on the countdown! That means = it only takes 900 people to send TEN e-mails in one day...and THAT'S = effortless! If we gather all of our e-mail buddies and friends into = this, I think we can do it! I say we get this planned for a week from = now. =20
Let's start this thread and see if we ytsejammers can ACTUALLY get DT on = MTV!!
d a u s s t u d e n b e r g=20
"few will try, most will quit" - Tom Ryan
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:30:41 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Damon darling Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980528113041.00adc8c0@mail.legato.com>
Damon railed:
"Wait a minute. Are you calling me an idiot simply because I had to figure out how to get on iparty? That's terrible. :) Let's see you guys do it without being able to see the screen."
Damon Darling! You are not an idiot. We who were in iparty last night we honored that you could join us. I for one think you did a damn good job in getting there and using the program. I would like to thanks those who assisted in getting Damon to iparty so we could hear him! And Damon...don't be a stranger altho after last night....you may think we are the strange ones. Hope to hear you again soon!
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Damon darling Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980528143615.22579C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Please. Do you think I am afraid of you people? You never dealt with the likes of me before. i was being tame last night.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:48:23 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3939 Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E79058F@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Damon wrote...
> Wait. I actually played on two stages that DT played on. I > played at the > Birch Hill in 1996, between the home for the holidays and fix for 96 > shows. And I played at the Trade Winds last summer, just > about four months > before the FII tour. Ha.
Three. Ha. The Bayou, in Washington, DC, many times. Jaxx, too many times to count, but about three weeks either side of the FII show. Daytona's, unfortunately...
Of course, if they allowed local openers, I would have played on the stage the same night as them...
How's this for a stupid thread to be continuing?
Oh wait, it's not as stupid as the "What if KJL left the band" thread...
Mike Division - With Savatage, June 19th. With a glass of water, and call me in the morning.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:22:05 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mellotrons, Crimson Message-ID: <v01540b05b193768dab90@[205.134.227.211]>
Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se> wrote:
>Only 6 left? And four of them belong to Fripp? Now, that's strange. I know >that at least the Swedish band Anekdoten uses one all the time, and it's >hard for me to imagine that they of all people would own one of the two >that Fripp doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, Anekdoten is a brilliant band >and I love them, but they're definitely not in the big-budget league that >could afford to buy such a rare instrument. Maybe they have rented it from >Fripp. Hmm.
I do not think that there are only 6 mellotrons left becasue Anekdoten uses 2 mellotrons, Anglagard uses 3 and Univers Zero also uses the mellotron, too. And they are from different countries. Doesn't that Fripp own 5 mellotrons?
If you listen to at the end of one of the "Mars" (live at Fillmore West) from Epitaph's King Crimson boxset, Ian McDonald gets a lot of weird rattling noises out of the Mellotron. Maybe he knew it was his last gig with Fripp so he was trying to destroy the equipment!
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:41:10 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AOL's LTE chat, Triage Records Message-ID: <01BD8A7F.F358BA80@168.rotterdam2.gironet.nl>
Thanks to the cool people at AOL's Nightclub, a transcript of today's "Liquid Tension Experiment" AOL chat will be made available for publishing on "Under A Cyber Moon" in about a week... They will even clean it up a bit (take out all the join and part messages, etc.).
So if you are not with AOL, or can't be at the chat, you'll be able to read the whole thing on "Under A Cyber Moon" next week or so...
For those who are "fortunate" enough to be with AOL, the chat will be from 10 to 12 pm EST (keyword: Nightclub).
aol://4344:128.nc_lte.1341624.579203679
:)
Oh yeah, maybe someone can help me with this. I need to contact a record label, called Triage Records, but haven't been able to find a possible website, e-mail adress, or whatever. If you know how to get in touch with them, *please* let me know...
Later!
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:06:51 -0700 From: Brian Matthew Hailey <bmhailey@seattleu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3939 Message-ID: <356DC3DB.A899A34@seattleu.edu>
does anyone know who does the "you know that reality is immaterial... this is not reality" vocals on 'voices' (aka: the best dt (if not just the best) song ever written)? it doesn't really sound anything like KJL.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:39:05 -0300 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RIP Phil Hartman Message-ID: <356DCB68.5FAEA41F@caribe.net>
I just read the terrible news that actor/comedian phil hartman from saturday night live/ newsradio and several movies was found shot to death apparently by his wife today...
Indeed very sad news..
-- In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:46:13 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE chat Message-ID: <19980528224613.22929.qmail@hotmail.com>
Did anyone out there copy the LTE chat on AOL? Would you mind mainling it to me?
Thanx
Ernesto -The Next... (whoever kicks ass at any instrument)
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:02:50 -0500 From: Alejandro <seedrop@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3935 Message-ID: <356DED1A.2DAF@usa.net>
On tuesday, Alex Smith wrote: > Subject: RUSH and DT Album ADVICE > i'm a relative DT beginner: i have aCoS on CD and IaW on tape from a > friend--should I get IaW, Awake, or FII on CD next time I go music > shopping??? give me advice, because I might not be able to shell out 50 > bucks to buy all three as much as i'd like to... is FII worth it or is it > just sell out?
greets... ok, my advice is that you oughta buy IaW no matter what for it is the best goddamn record ever done by any band in the history of the world right before Awake... however, I know the tremendous difference in tastes in music when it comes to DT... and before anyone kills me I'd like to express my humble preference of these two, (AND LatM and WDaDU) way over FII... why? for as much as I think that DT are the most virtous musicians ever, I'm kinda stuck in the complexity and amazing writing that gave birth to the earlier records (NOT that FII doesn't have IT),.. DON'T MISINTERPRET ME, FII is NOT a sellout, but I was kinda disappointed when I heard it for the first time (IF I WERE TO COMPARE IT WITH IaW)... saludos del escuincle-light genio de la postmodernidad decadencista finisecular... Alejandro 'seedrop' Paredes Monterrey, NL. México ICQ# 4187487
P.S. 'Q'po' to the rest of the Ytsejammers (in this being my first msg posted)...
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3939 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980528161857.7280A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 28 May 1998, Brian Matthew Hailey wrote:
> >does anyone know who does the "you know that reality is immaterial... this is not >reality" vocals on 'voices' (aka: the best dt (if not just the best) song ever >written)? it doesn't really sound anything like KJL. > >
FAQ. Read it. Use it. Save up to 44%. (grin)
--Matt
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3939 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980528192851.22483B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Thu, 28 May 1998, Brian Matthew Hailey wrote:
> > does anyone know who does the "you know that reality is immaterial... this is not > reality" vocals on 'voices' (aka: the best dt (if not just the best) song ever > written)? it doesn't really sound anything like KJL. > >
Check the liner notes for Awake - I forget the dude's name that does it, but it's some rapper or something, or at least that what his name sounds like.........
-Al
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:31:18 From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Answers to everybody... Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980528203118.282f63b4@pop.netaddress.com>
Peter Andersson wrote:
> What's great about Matos Voice? I have only heard Holy Land of Angra. > Even if the album is good I find Matos a pretty poor singer. Sometimes > good, sometimes boring, sometimes realy poor, but never excellent.
What's that????, i think YOU must wash your ears and listen it (not only Holy Land, there's a lot of material waiting to be heard) seriously... i mean, you can't enjoy the real purity of his incredible voice... please, do it and send your comments (REAL COMMENTS, not lies).
Nigel Bridgeman wrote:
> Sorry, for a second I thought you were talking about Andre Matos from > Angra there. Obviously confused, right?
You're right!!, good for you ironic point of view, i agree with you... you know what's fantastic and what's poor (about singers' voice).
Peter Andersson wrote:
> When it comes to Matos you can say he's got dynamics, range. But not > power (i.e. suitable voice for HEAVY tunes)! Besides this his vocals are > not always tastefully arranged!
Jejejejejeje.... are you nuts????... NOT POWER???????????... i'll try to say it in english (i'm not good for that :-)): You don't know the live power of Matos, it's really impressive... time ago, someone tells that KJLB didn't sing right after two consecutives shows (i don't know, i didn't heard him live, but i don't believe it), jeje, well, i can say that ANDRE MATOS can do it easily!!!!... i saw the 3rd consecutive show of ANGRA here in Argentina (friday, saturday and sunday, i saw them on sunday), and Matos' voice was the same that can be heard in a studio album, same purity and power. I hope you undestand this, because that's the true, not jokes. Think about it. If you wanna power, just get "Freedom Call" and listen to PainKiller ANGRA's version... jeje, what can you say NOW??????? And there's more...have you heard the Wasted Time ANGRA's version??? Iron Maiden must be proud of that!!!!!
Joseph Bissonnette wrote:
> I'm also having a little trouble seeing why Matos is held in such high > regard. He's just so whiny. Don't you ever get the urge to give him a > good boot to the head? Like at the end of Carry On where he sings > "fiiiii-EEEE-iiiind". That just makes me cringe.
That's YOUR problem... i'm sure Matos is not thinking about you when he sings... get away with YOUR problem, little without-neurons-man; this hurts you???, oh, i'm so sorry :-)
Eric S P Barker wrote:
> I would never replace James. If he were to leave, being one of the > saddest days in history, I think DT should become a 100% instrumental > outfit. I just can not hear any other voice in his spot.
I agree!!!!!, i'm just posting my opinion about Andre Matos and his particular voice. I also think KJLB is the right DT singer, there's no replacement.
K I L L M A R Y wrote:
> Andre Matos studied to be a piano concertist and he has a degree in > composition and arrangement. This guy does NOT sound out of tune and > anybody that knows anything about pitch will agree with me.
YEAH!!!!!, you know what you say!!!!, you are a really serious fan, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
Nico... THE argentinian Ytsejammer
------------------------------------------------------ Nicolas Matias Rincon e-mail: tabo-sabalero@usa.net ICQ: 11862235 Nick: Tabo Santa Fe, Argentina
"Seize the day and don't you cry, Now it's time to say good-bye Even though I'll be gone, I will live on, live on" - Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater
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