YTSEJAM Digest 3948
Today's Topics:
1) Re: A Clockwork Orange/DT Intro music
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
2) DT more fun/DT on MTV/FT WORTH
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
3) Classical music
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
4) rush vs. triumph
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
5) RE: 21 Century Schizoid Man
by "MattyMo" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
6) Re: Orchestral music recommendations
by Theresa Stutzman <astarte@webzone.net>
7) Re: Hogarth
by Theiban@aol.com
8) Spagnolo. Non e' cosi semplice.
by Uroborosss@aol.com
9) Vic Theater Review/photos and a short Q & A with Derek Sherinian
by Yes0001@aol.com
10) Cause tonight...is the night...when five become four...
by Uroborosss@aol.com
11) Classical Music; Adagio
by "Garrett M Sanborne" <gmsanbo@uakron.edu>
12) Guitar World review
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
13) Selling out?
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3944
by Bunny1682@aol.com
15) The #Ytse Mirror
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
16) If you want to hear the Giraffe Progfest '94 Show, you may want to readthis.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:55:32 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A Clockwork Orange/DT Intro music
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980531175532.007e3d40@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
>Incidentally, for those of you who weren't at the Ft. Worth show, the whole
>crowd sang along to Rooster while it was playing over the PA. I could tell
>it was going to be a good night right away. :)
but the clockwork orange music wasnt played on that show, was it?
if it was I really didnt notice, I hear all of DTs Bsides before the show,
even raise the knife with lyrics and rooster, but I dont remember the
clockwirk thing, how does it sound like?
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:57:16 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT more fun/DT on MTV/FT WORTH
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980531185716.007e4100@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
The first time I saw the band (on the Images And Words tour),
>everybody - with the possible exception of Mike - was very serious, and
>most of the fans were apparently music theory students who just stood
>there with open mouths, drooling but not smiling. The next time I saw the
>boys was the Awake tour, where Derek was tucked away in the corner of
>the stage, playing music that he hadn't written. Then came the big change
>when they did the European shows in early 97. People started smiling and
>laughing, both on the stage and in front of it. And now the current tour -
>Derek dressed up like a 70s dog's dinner, over-the-top stage accessories
>(lava lamps, TVs, shaggy carpets), and suddenly lots of fun for everybody,
>drum stick juggling, instruments are exchanged, Nicky Lemons is born
>and dies, great cover songs AND some of the best Dream Theatre
>performances ever. Anybody else think like this?
I was talking with mauricio about this, I dont know if it's because Derek
is now on the band, I dont think so, but we were talking about how Petrucci
and the rest of the band have been going to the unformal side, I mean, on
the LIT Video Petrucci is wearing a silk shirt (or whatever you call it)
and most of the band was pretty formal, just a few jokes from Portnoy and
Moore, now Petrucci wears GI Joe and football shirts, they make more jokes
on stage and they seem to be happier, just my opinion here.
by the way, can anyone explain me the nicky lemons thing?
>Here's the beginning's of the plan:
>1. Someone find out what the email address is and post it here.
>2. Someone (anyone) post that email address to the other mailing lists.
>3. EVERYONE start emailing the hell out of MTV. Throw in some catchy
>phrases to get the email on the air (they always pick the cool sounding
ones).
>4. Continue to tell everyone you know to start requesting...and don't stop.
>
>How's that for a plan?
Someone should post the final plan on music newsgroups, I could add the
plan to my homepage if you want to, maybe UACM will do it, if not let me
know and I'l do it.
> And even better than that, my brother was the first of the
>audience to play with Mike, that was REALLY cool! Of course, he didn't
>get the last part right, the "secret knock" code, but then, the second
>screwed it up after hearing my bro mess it up. =)
I lauughed when this happened the first time but I thought "ok, the guy
didnt catch it" but I couldnt stop laughing when this happened the second
time, everybody noticed the first time, I wonder if it was unporpose
>The only bad part was
>having to wait forever for the bus, but Mike stopped it and him and
>James came out, apologized, saying they didn't know we were out there,
>and signed everyone's stuff. Oh yeah, and Mike said to tell the jam
>"hey". =)
yeah, Mike is pretty cool, he stopped the bus and told us to come, the bad
thing is that I didnt get to know Petrucci, yeah, I remember that Portnoy
said "say the jam hello", so you were the guy who handed the CD from the
fan club, right? I was just in front of you, he asked you if you had the
new one too, he said "that one kicks ass too" or something like that, James
Labrie was surprised I handed him the FIX cd to sign while I was saying I
was from Mexico, I wonder if he thought it was the mexican edition of
Falling Into Infinity or something...I dont know how much he is into
bootlegs....that was cool.
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:44:34 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Classical music
Message-ID: <01bd8cf6$72465fa0$c620c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
i suggest getting beethoven's symphonies 1-9, especially 3,5,6,7,9. i don't
know much about classical music in general, but i know that for orchestral
music beethoven is pretty damn awesome (and I mean in the sense of
awe-inspiring!). besides, he was a fiery, tortured soul, just like me!
hey, i'm like alex in clockwork orange: i love beethoven ("ludwig van") and
my name is alex... never mind
chao,
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"'Seize the Day'
Look around
Hear the sounds
Cherish your life while you're still around
We can learn from the past
But those days are gone
We can hope for the future
But there might not be one."
-Dream Theater
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"Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way
See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground."
-Metallica
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:47:20 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rush vs. triumph
Message-ID: <01bd8cf6$d54738e0$c620c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
ha ha ha,
rush and triumph in the same sentence--i guess i understand why (both are
canadian rock bands, etc), but that's like comparing neil peart or bill
bruford with the one-armed man from def leppard!
i like "fight the good fight" though...
chao,
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"'Seize the Day'
Look around
Hear the sounds
Cherish your life while you're still around
We can learn from the past
But those days are gone
We can hope for the future
But there might not be one."
-Dream Theater
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"Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way
See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground."
-Metallica
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:51:44 -0500
From: "MattyMo" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: 21 Century Schizoid Man
Message-ID: <000001bd8cf7$72e409c0$1e0710d0@mattymo.inxpress.net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:01:22 -0000
]From: "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com>
Subject: 21 Century Schizoid Man
>>Quick question...
>>I heard another band (Forbidden) do a cover of this song and I never knew
>>who the original songwriters were. Which band originally did "21st
Century
>>Schizoid Man"? >>
>April Wine also covered this song. Not a bad job, either, IMHO.
And so did PFM (live at least), but then they (like ELP) also worked with
Peter Sinfield.
The new Voivod album _Phobos_ (which comes out Tuesday), has yet another
version of 21st Century Schizoid Man on it. :-)
~matt
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:05:59 -0500
From: Theresa Stutzman <astarte@webzone.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations
Message-ID: <35720C87.B65BDAAD@webzone.net>
Calvin6S@aol.com wrote:
> Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I
> continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like
> the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful
> sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music.
You might try Sergei Prokofiev's "Alexander Nevsky." The version I have is on RCA Victor Red Seal with The St. Petersburg Philharmonic conducted by
Yuri Temirkanova. Odd thing, this is actually Prokofiev's film score for a 1930's film of the same name. ;)
Yes, I've actually seen the film... but that's another story.
-- Theresa, unlurking for a moment. :) http://www.webzone.net/astarte"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experiences of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired and success achieved." ~Helen Keller
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:46:52 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hogarth Message-ID: <517705e8.3572161e@aol.com>
i like Fish a lot, but Hogarth is awesome. if you like fish era of Marillion, you'll probably like the earlier Hogarth era, where the songs sound more "80's". go grab a copy of Season's End. or if you like music with a bit more of a modern sound, but not "alternative" crap, go get "this strange engine" and "brave" they are my fav marillion cds with hogarth.
Rocky
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:06:51 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spagnolo. Non e' cosi semplice. Message-ID: <671cfcdb.35721acc@aol.com>
> From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net> > Subject: little Kevin... > > Es muy obvio decir esto, pero cantidad NO significa calidad. Ademas, porque > tantos cds??, acaso no encuentras algo que te satisfaga mentalmente???, > creo que estas perdido en el mercado apestoso de la musica comercial...
Secondo me, non e' vero. Non ci credo!
Samuel Jackson could probably have replied much better than I just did.
If anyone has ever wondered, as I have, where John Petrucci got those cool silk shirts for the I&W tour (and videos), I found a store in New York City with comparable threads. It's called "Porta Bella," located on everyone's favorite wide street, Broadway. Any NYC residents on this list? Go there. Shop. Indulge. Wear at your own risk.
What was really weird about my week-long trip to NYC was running into Wisha (Rachel Goldenberg) at a crosswalk! I knew if I walked around Manhattan Island long enough I'd run into someone famous. :)
You should all try Iparty. It's a hoot. Bring a microphone.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:21:32 EDT From: Yes0001@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vic Theater Review/photos and a short Q & A with Derek Sherinian Message-ID: <e24ab822.35721e3d@aol.com>
Music Street Journal Number Five is available online at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/9250/.
This month`s offering features a special section devoted to Cairo, including reviews of their first album (Cairo), their latest album (Conflict and Dreams (this review was in the archive section, but has been moved back to the main section for this special)), and an interview with Mark Robertson. Also in this issue is a review of the Dream Theater concert in Chicago last month (including a short Q & A with Derek Sherinian), a review of Jon Anderson`s EarthMotherEarth ballet (by guest reviewer Anne Corbin), another review of the same ballet in the form of a poem by Wendy Vig, reviews of Under The Big Tree, Point of Ares-Enemy Glory (including a Q & A with Karen Michalson), Tony Levin-World Diary, UFO-Walk On Water, Black Sabbath-Never Say Die, Savage Garden-Savage Garden and Various Artists-Stairways to Heaven.
Archival reviews are also available there. Tour dates that are there are up are for Yes, The Mollys, Dream Theater, Alice Cooper, Savage Garden and Hawkwind Strange Daze Festival. The Progressive Rock Archive Page contains reviews of albums by Anubis Spire, Ajalon, Lands End, Fish, Spock`s Beard, The Lonely Bears, Various Artists-Tales From Yesterday, Dream Theater, Tempest, Pentwater, Genesis, Nektar and Ancient Vision. There have been enough Yes reviews here to warrant their own archive page. Tony Levin is the only person who has been featured (in one project or another) in every issue thus far. With that in mind, I have devoted an entire page of my archives to those reviews.. The Progressive Metal Archive page contains reviews of Autumn Rest, Fates Warning, Divine Regale, Blue Oyster Cult, Royal Hunt, Queensryche, and Faith No More. The Non Progressive Archive holds reviews of Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind, The Mollys, The Drovers, Alice Cooper, Smashmouth, and Captain Beyond. In the Concert Review Archive you will find reviews of Yes and Rush. There are two interviews in the Interview Archive. One is a very in depth interview with Tony Levin and the other is with Randy George of Ajalon.
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:37:43 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Cause tonight...is the night...when five become four... Message-ID: <d84f6c2f.3572220d@aol.com>
> From: Thrak75@aol.com > Subject: first chris degarmo, and now....... > > ginger spice, the only spice girl who was actually HOT, decides she's got > better plans.
Oh, okay Stalin. So Ginger was the "HOT" one. Well some would argue that Posh Spice was the "HOT" one. But let's end this gingery flame war to peacefully observe the beauty of that now-divided quintet. (if it splits five ways it pentavides, but since this case is one leaving four that were once five together, it's actually a single body becoming two, or a DI-vision.)
A long time ago I wondered about questions that could receive a different answer every time I asked it. In recent years I was intrigued to find that "Who's your favorite spice girl?" was quickly moving in on "What time is it?" Wasn't it beautiful to hear so many different answers of the people I asked? So few repeats? Such a variety of reasonings as to why a particular spice was someone's favorite?
"Because she can bench more than me!" "Gucci skirts are where it's at, man!" "She growls like a grizzly bear, and I like grizzly bears!" "She's got red hair!" "I can pretend she's 12 when I'm bangin' her!"
*sigh* if only Dream Theater could evoke such a variety of answers...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:43:00 -0400 From: "Garrett M Sanborne" <gmsanbo@uakron.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Classical Music; Adagio Message-ID: <199806010341.XAA18610@dax.cc.uakron.edu>
>And, if you really would like your emotions challenged find a recording of >Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings--it's probably the most beautiful thing >you've never heard. Can anyone back me up on this? > >Steve Z
Oh most definitely. Unbelieveably exhausting to the emotions. I have the St. Louis recording, which also has Barber's "Medea's Dance of Vengeance." Talk about dark and angry! Also put in my votes for Bartok, Holst, Berlioz, Beethoven ... plus I'd like to add Respighi's Pines of Rome. Some amazing writing.
Garrett Sanborne
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar World review Message-ID: <199806010356.XAA02878@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>
Adam Cook asked and I thought I'd post this...
Guitar World magazine - July 1998
Explorer's Club - Age of Impact (3 1/2 stars) Liquid Tension Experiment (2 stars)
One of the few successful purveyors of Eighties-style shredding around, Dream Theater's John Petrucci has managed to thrive at a time when technical razzle-dazzle is no longer in vogue. On these two side projects, he teams up with some heavyweight players to showcase his high-flying style. Explorer's Club adds a new twist to classic Seventies progressive rock (Yes guitarist Steve Howe even plays acoustic on one track). Bolstered by the monster rhythm section of bassist Billy Sheehan and drummer Terry Bozzio, petrucci unleashes some of the most biting, from the gut playing of his career on Age of Impact. Liquid Tension Experiment is another prefab supergroup. Assisting Petrucci on this all-instrumental shred-fest is King Crimson bassist Tony Levin, Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy and ex-Dixie Dregs keyboardist Jordan Rudess, but unfortunately, there are few rousing melodies to speak of - just self-indulgent, solo-mad forrays for the most part. It's no surprise that this endeavor was written, rehearsed and recorded during an intense one-week period; it sounds more like an overblown jam session, with little inspiration or imagination, than a coherent album. If Liquid Tension Experiment ever makes another album, they should take more than a week out of their lives to do it. - Joe Lalaina.
That's it folks. E-mail GWEdit@aol.com if you disagree :-))))
Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ I even /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ feel alone /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / when you're / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / near, because / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / you never \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / understand. \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / (Geoff Tate) \_________________________________________/
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Date: Sun, 31 May 98 21:09:05 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Selling out? Message-ID: <199806010408.VAA17325@gv.gvn.net>
Wow - another Jen-type person. Now we can really confuse everyone. ;) Anyhow, hello and welcome...
Jenny did say: >I'm one of them new Falling Into Infinity fans who totally, completely >fell in love with DT without listening to any of their other albums.
Just a curiosity - how did you get into the band? Was a song off FII getting airplay, or did you know someone with the album already?
>I signed onto this mailing list a couple weeks ago, and at that time, >everyone was talking about DT selling out.
Any time anyone talks about "selling out," regardless of whether I even like the band or not, it kind of grinds my gears. I mean, yes, musicians are business people in one sense, but I think, first and foremost, they're artists. Wouldn't we all love to get paid for doing our very favorite thing, for our acts of expression? I don't think anyone intends to go out and make a "hit record," except for those rare pre-fab cases.
>Well, today, I went out and got Images and Words......and what the hell?
I've grown rather partial to "Awake" myself. Still, it was one that had to grow on me. Give I&W some more spins and tell us if you still feel the same way. I'm not trying to say that it absolutely must become your favorite DT album, but I know that I often have to listen to something multiple times to really absorb it.
[Note to Jeff G.: Hiya, and, BTW, you *still* owe me mail! ;)]
Jen
o.~.o Love is the dance of (^) eternity o~~~o J. PETRUCCI o o
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:14:31 EDT From: Bunny1682@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3944 Message-ID: <5d1df10.35722aad@aol.com>
YES! Axl Rose and DT-- that would totally blow me away. Actually, though, I can't really anyone but JLB singing those songs. But Axl Rose...that's so there.
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:24:00 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: YTSEJAM - The Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The #Ytse Mirror Message-ID: <35722CE0.D352D0C3@pacbell.net>
If you haven't had the time to hang out on #ytsejam lately, you can still keep up with all the dirt...
There's a new webpage "The #Ytse Mirror", styled after a newspaper... there will be a new issue every Monday (I hope). It will have all the latest gossip (true or not), and some actually useful information such as album and show reviews, pictures from shows, editorials written by jammers, a classifieds section for you to advertise your equipment or cds for sale or trade, links to the important things such as the #ytsejam quotes page... and of course, a good old fashioned advice column.
If anyone would like to contribute to The #Ytse Mirror, please address all inquiries to: ytsemirror@dreamt.org
The first issue is on the web now... http://www.dreamt.org/ytsemirror/
:o)
Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl/ _________________________________________ Thoughts - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:41:00 -0400 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: If you want to hear the Giraffe Progfest '94 Show, you may want to readthis. Message-ID: <002801bd8d17$820a01a0$f1cbcdcf@syrinx>
I know that many of us on the jam are big Kevin Gilbert (and Genesis) fans, so I thought i'd pass this along. I've already got my copy ordered.
NOTE: This guy is *very* dependable. His email to contact him about the project (which is not below) is secondsout@aol.com
-------being forwarded message----- Here's the details of my twenty-first cd project:
Giraffe - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway At Progfest '94
The following cd is by the progressive band called Giraffe. It is their performance of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway at Progfest '94, which was held on November 5th and 6th, 1994 at the Variety Arts Center in Los Angeles, California.
This is taken from a video of their performance, an audience recording. The quality is very good to excellent.
Here's the track listings:
1. Intro/The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 6:11 2. Fly On A Windshield 2:48 3. Broadway Melody Of 1974 2:01 4. In The Cage 8:37 5. The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging 3:24 6. Back In N.Y.C. 7:03 7. Carpet Crawlers 6:28 8. Lillywhite Lilith 2:56 9. The Lamia 9:20 10. The Colony Of Slippermen 6:39 11. Ravine :59 12. In The Rapids 2:27 13. it/Watcher of the Skies 7:14 14. The Musical Box 8:16
If you have any other specific questions about any of the tracks, I will try to provide more details.
I will be charging $9 for Giraffe - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway At Progfest '94.
Okay, if you've read this far, here's what is included:
1. The cd, of course. The cd is over 74 minutes of playing time. 2. The cd comes in a standard jewel case. 3. The jewel case has a cd jacket with graphics on front and back; and a back cover, with track listing on back. 4. The cd has a label with title printed on it. 5. Shipping is included in US. Canada add $.50 and anywhere else add $1.50 (except Australia & Japan, add $2.50). I use bubble mailers to send the cd in (or a priority mailer box, if you're ordering more than 2 sets) to guarantee you cds arrive safely to you. 6. The whole package is guaranteed to satisfy you. If for any reason you are not satisfied, just return everything within 2 weeks of receiving it, and I will refund you money (less shipping). I will also provide references upon request.
Okay, I think I've covered everything. If you have any questions, please ask.
------end fowarded message--------
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