YTSEJAM digest 3947

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Date: Sun May 31 1998 - 19:42:53 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 3947

    Today's Topics:

      1) first chris degarmo, and now.......
     by Thrak75@aol.com
      2) 21 Century Schizoid Man
     by "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com>
      3) Classical stuff
     by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
      4) Orchestral recommendations, Skolnick
     by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
      5) Re: dt on mtv? get a round tuit already
     by "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
      6) Re: Ball dipping
     by "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
      7) ANGRA
     by "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
      8) Music that Kicks Ass - Fish
     by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
      9) Re: Orchestral music recommendations
     by Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
     10) Re: Orchestral music recommendations
     by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
     11) Orchestral music
     by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
     12) LTE and Explorer's Club reviews in Guitar World
     by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
     13) Re: Orchestral music recommendations
     by Ville Paukkonen <ville@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
     14) Classical music
     by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:56:53 EDT
    From: Thrak75@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com, rdtrn@torithoughts.org
    Subject: first chris degarmo, and now.......
    Message-ID: <7a68d15d.3571c416@aol.com>

    ginger spice, the only spice girl who was actually HOT, decides she's got
    better plans.

    what next, tori amos to replace derek in dt (thought i'd tie you 2 lists
    together somehow!)?

    damnit. i guess it was a sort of omen when i bought the ginger spice lollipop
    last week.

    someone's saving HIS wrapper.

    a sad day in music land.

    ***********************************************************************
    david y. kobayashi
    new york law school
    thrak75@aol.com

    "throw off those chains of reason and your prison disappears." n. peart
    ***********************************************************************

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    Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:01:22 -0000
    From: "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com>
    To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: 21 Century Schizoid Man
    Message-ID: <01fd61128211f58UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com>

    >>Quick question...
    >>I heard another band (Forbidden) do a cover of this song and I never knew
    >>who the original songwriters were. Which band originally did "21st
    Century
    >>Schizoid Man"? >>

    >April Wine also covered this song. Not a bad job, either, IMHO.

    And so did PFM (live at least), but then they (like ELP) also worked with
    Peter
    Sinfield.

    (I forget whether it was Rush or Triumph who toured the UK with April Wine
    as
    support - but anyway, April Wine were crap live.)

    Charlie

    Work: http://www.servemode.co.uk/
    email: charlie@servemode.co.uk
    URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:58:58 +0100
    From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
    To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Classical stuff
    Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E274339AF@LON01XBCAPGE>

    Calvin asked:
    >Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw
    >out some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra
    recording you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition
    name in particular.
    And Rick Audet said:
    Vivaldi, "The Four Seasons". Kicks much ass.

    Yes, get the Academy of Ancient Music version with Simon Hogwood.

    Also, maybe Bach's Brandenburg Concertos, some Paganini, (this is the sort
    of stuff that started 'neo-classical' guitarists) and some Wagner overtures
    and instrumental, so you can drive down Kings Road, Chelsea with the roof
    down and 'Ride of the Valkyries' at full blast, just like in Apocalypse Now
    (I have von Karajan and Georg Solti recordings. You need Liebestod from
    'Tristan and Isolde' and Venusberg from 'Tannhauser' to be on them as well).

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Orchestral recommendations, Skolnick
    Message-ID: <19980531215917.22067.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>

      I in particular like
    > the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and
    beautiful
    > sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music.
    >

    Ok, if you like dark and somber mixed with beatiful i'd recommend the
    piece i'm currently crazy about: Glen Branca's Symphony no 9.
    Note:this guy is a modern composer (he's alive), he's not traditional
    at all and the music is really dense, so its really challenging to
    hear...but man, once you get it, its unbelievable.

    I also highly recomend Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I've only heard
    one version and that's the Berlin Philharmonic with Karajan. I dont
    know if there are better or worse ones.

    On another subject, anybody heard Skol-Patrol yet? ANy good?

    Ernesto
     

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:02:33 -0300
    From: "Karol" <miroel@uol.com.br>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: dt on mtv? get a round tuit already
    Message-ID: <01bd8cdf$d01b7d20$LocalHost@uol.com.br.uol.com.br>

    Hi+ACE-
    I've read some of those messages that were talking about calling MTV for
    them to show some DT video. Man, come on, we don't need MTV+ACE- Didn't you
    realize that tha people at MTV just play what they want, when they want and
    the way they want it??? It's no use calling them. If hundreds of people ask
    them to play a DT 12 minute song, that doesn't mean that they'll play it. If
    they want to play Madonna instead of DT, they +ACo-will+ACo- play Madonna instead of
    DT, even if only ten people asked for it+ACEAIQAh- Of course, Madonna sells much
    more+ACE-
    I thank DT everyday for not making short songs+ACEAIQ-
    You see, MTV and radio stations just play what they want us to listen. If
    some record label wants the new Spice Girl album to sell a lot, it will
    simply go to MTV and radio stations, pay something and BOOM, the new Spice
    Girl record is a phenomenon.
    IMO, they are just machines that make money and that treat us like fools.
    If MTV were interested in being a real +ACo-music+ACo- channel, a cultural channel,
    it wouldn't be filling our brains up with the same video thousands of times
    a day. It would show ALL kinds of music, with no discrimination, otherwise
    it shouldn't be called +ACo-music+ACo- television+ACE-
    I don't know about the rest of the people, but, if someone out here on
    ytsejam organizes something in order to everybody call MTV, I surely won't
    participate.
    Thank you for reading
    Karol

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:13:07 -0400
    From: "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Ball dipping
    Message-ID: <3571D5F3.EE049D14@caribe.net>

    Der Herr Bodinger wrote:

    > 1. As far as i now KITH was on HBO for a short run but it was
    > on comedy central for a few years
    > 2. KITH was never on mtv in my memory (i could be wrong)
    > 3. for those of you who want to know it was a show called 'The
    > Edge' and playing the part of louie was a guy named Ken Marino.
    > The Edge was mtv's answer to KITH, i think.
    >
    > Chuck

    YES! and as far as i rememeber.. the DIP my balls thing was done on "the
    state" on mtv.. not on KITH....--

    -The Next John Petrucci :)

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                         There is a river crying
                         Living comes much easier
                        Once we admit , We're dying.
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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:51:57 +0200
    From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
    To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: ANGRA
    Message-ID: <01bd8cde$55241ba0$e31f46c1@mau.omnia.it>

    Hello Fellow Jammers !

    Just to add MY HUMBLE OPINION about André Matos' Voice and way of singing...
    He KICKS a really GREAT Amount of ASSES !!!
    I think he's probably the best singer ever appeared on the Earth...
    Obviously that's just My opinion, non a fact... I know that some of you can
    find his way of singing a bit annoying, but I think that it's a fact that he
    DOESN'T Ever go out of tune... He's got a great knowledge of music (He's
    graduated in composition and piano), and I find his musical ideas amazing...
    Anyway, I respect anyone of you who disagrees, I think that "de gustibus non
    disputandum est".
    Curiosity : I know that it could be annoying to someone when he sings a
    note, than hits the note an 8a up and than goes back to the previous note,
    but I find it one of the most amazing vocal skills he's got...
    Just try to do it yourselves with that precision... :):)
    Please don't fire me... This was just my opinion...

    Bye All !
                    [Mav]

    P.S. : Does anyone of you know if Angra will play at MONSTERS OF ROCK in
    Turin June 13th ?

    [ProgMetal Rules]

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:19:00 -0400
    From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Music that Kicks Ass - Fish
    Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980531181900.00799270@pop3.afn.org>

    "The Perception of Johnny Punter" by Fish and Steven Wilson
    http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/punter.zip

    The best album of last year was either APSoG or Fish's SUNSETS ON
    EMPIRE. I flipflop from one to the other. APSoG is a great single
    piece, but SOE is brilliant. Fates didn't end their album with the
    absolute 4 minute turd that is "Say it with Flowers," so I guess they
    win.

    No matter, Fish's latest album is brilliant, and back to the Fish we
    Marillion fans know and love. No, this isn't as prog as old Marillion,
    but it's much heavier, which makes up for that. Helping write half the
    tracks on the album, and very welcome, is Steven Wilson from Porcupine
    Tree. Great musicians all around (especially guitar--phew, Steven
    Rothery watch out), good to awe-inspiring lyrics, and one of the most
    versatile voices in rock music.

    It was hard to pick a song to give you, but I decided on this one, "The
    Perception of Johnny Punter," because of its personal meaning to me. This
    version is different from the European version, because the American
    company would not allow the first verse--which had the word "nigger" in
    it (as well as several other racial epithets). Though this took away
    some of the song's focus against racism, I think it actually came out
    better. The new verse is wonderful, as well as generalizing the song
    toward all people who have been made aliens by their peers. It's a
    powerful song, angry and lush and full of despair, and one day, when
    "something happens," no one has an excuse to be surprised.

    At the URL above is the 3.4meg zipped mp3 (zipped to keep lame browsers
    from destroying the file). Enjoy it for this week. If you like it,
    buy the freaking album. Then buy FUGAZI if you haven't already.

       "So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out.
        You should have known better after all this time.
        You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander....
        Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:29:39 -0400
    From: Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
    To: Calvin6S@aol.com
    Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations
    Message-ID: <Version.32.19980531172535.00ddfdf0@205.157.133.17>

    > Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw
    out
    > some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording
    > you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in
    > particular.

    One of the best CDs I own is the score to the 1989 movie Henry V. It was
    composed by Patrick Doyle, conducted by Simon Rattle, and performed by the
    City of Birmingham [England] Symphony Orchestra. This was Doyle's first
    professional composition. He's composed many more movie scores since then,
    but none are quite as good as the Henry V score. I'd recommend that to...
    well, pretty much everyone <g>.

    Ryan

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: Calvin6S@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations
    Message-ID: <199805312229.SAA05849@clipper.hq.tis.com>

    >
    >Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I
    >continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like
    >the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful
    >sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music.
    >
    >Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out
    >some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording
    >you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in
    >particular.
    >

            I also like dark, powerful classical pieces but it's hard to judge
    what you will like based only on Mozart's "Requiem". Here are some of my
    favorites. Let me know what you end up liking. :)

                                    Steve

    Composer Title

    Beethoven Symphonies (5th, 9th, etc)

            -- It's hard to go wrong with any of Beethoven's symphonies, but I'd
            suggest the 5th and 9th as the best starting points for powerful,
            darker styles. Those are among the most amazing symphonies ever
            written. You may like some of his overtures too (such as
            "Prometheus"). For conductors you probably want Leonard Bernstein
            or Herbert von Karajan.

    Dvorak 9th "New World" Symphony -- Another of my favorites.
            -- Some of his Slavonic Dances are also good, such as "Furiant".

    Tchaikovsky 4th Symphony -- Yet another favorite. :)
            -- Tchaikovsky also has some strong overtures such as
            the "1812 overture" and "Marche Slave". His other symphonies
            are also good.

    Verdi Requiem -- If you like operatic stuff then you'll
                                    probably like this. It is very dark and
                                    powerful.

    Gustav Holst The Planets -- The first section, Mars: Bringer of War
                                    is especially dark.

    Gorecki 3rd Symphony -- Very dark. It is slow but it builds an
                                    amazing atmosphere -- extremely powerful.

    Wagner Ring of the Niebulung -- Parts of this massive (16 CD) piece
                                    are very dark and cool (such as "Ride
                                    of the Valkyries" and "Siegfried's Death
                                    March"). Since you probably don't want the
                                    whole thing, try a sampler that has those
                                    parts for a start.

    Vivaldi The Four Seasons -- This one isn't as dark but it is still
                                    quite good.

    Rimsky-Korsakoff Scheherazade -- An interesting piece that was "covered"
                                    by a progressive band called Rennaisance.

    Mussorgsky Night on Bald Mountain -- A famous, dark but fun piece.

    Bruckner 4th or 8th Symphonies -- I haven't got into Bruckner as much
                                    as the above composers, but his music tends
                                    to be dark and majestic.

    Mahler Symphony #1.

    Some of my favorite overtures and dances (usually not as dark, but powerful
            with good melodies):

    1812 -- Tchaikovsky
    Marche Slave -- Tchaikovsky
    Poet and Peasant -- Suppe
    William Tell -- Rossini
    The Theiving Magpie -- Rossini
    The Barber of Seville -- Rossini
    The Sorcerer's Apprentice -- Paul Dukas
    Hugarian Rhapsody #2 -- Franz Liszt (piano mostly)

    There are some really great dark classical movie soundtracks out there
    that you might like:

    Batman (be sure to get the classical score not the Prince songs)
    Stargate
    Henry V

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:30:18 -0700
    From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: pgilman@monmouth.com, calvin6s@aol.com
    Subject: Orchestral music
    Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980531153018.008ae950@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>

    Great thread Calvin ; )

    Here are some of my favorite composers and pieces. Generally, if you stick
    to the big US and European orchestras (Cleveland (best strings in nation),
    Chicago (best brass in nation), Philidelphia, New York Phil and LA Phil,
    Wiener Philharmoniker, National Symphony, etc...) and the big conductors
    (Masur, Boulez, Mehta, Tilson Thomas, Solti, etc.) you cant really go
    wrong. Youll probably get a decent rendering of what the composer really
    wanted.

    As for which pieces I love and recommend, in no particular chronological
    order:

    Beethoven
    - Symphony #3 "Eroica"
            This symphony pretty much marked the transition between the classical and
    romantic periods in european/western music. It pretty much broke ALL modes
    of classical thinking, and shocked a lot of people when it came out. The
    first movement was twice as long as any first movement from Mozart or
    Haydn. It shifted the weight of the typical symphony to being focused on
    the last movement instead of the first, a technique used by almost all
    important composers since. It has beautiful, pissed, passionate sections.
    Check it out.

            Symphonies #5 and #9 are classics too. Important for any collection.

    Richard Strauss
    - Also Sprach Zarathustra
            Opens with the famous 2001 line, C-G-C. But dont expect it to keep that
    way, it quickly moves on to MUCH more amazing music : ) The whole piece is
    about 30 minutes long, one movement (Strauss was big on tone poems), and
    explores all ranges of emotions.

    Ralph Vaughan Williams:
    - Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
            I fell in love with orchestral music after hearing this piece ONCE.
    Period. Ive never been the same person since. It is strictly for strings,
    and try to get a good recording of it. I have the group "Acedemy of St.
    Martin in the Fields" with Neville Marriner conducting, and it is awesome.
    Just a gorgeous piece, it takes you to another world via heaven and back.

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    - Symphony #5
            The third movement of this symphony is just heart wrenching. Listen to
    that when you are depressed and it makes SDV pale in comparison (I think
    SDV is a wonderfully emotional song, no hacking on SDV here). The whole
    symphony is wonderful, and you can learn more than I could say about it in
    the liners of the CD you are ABOUT to buy : ) I have National Symphony,
    with Rostrapovich conducting. It is pretty much the definitive recording,
    as Rostrapovich was a personal friend of Shostakovich, so the time
    relationships SO important to this piece are pretty much nailed, evoking
    the correct emotions.

    Gustav Mahler:
    ANYTHING
            Mahler once said "A symphony should contain the world." And in each of
    his pieces he does. Its just amazing. His fifth is widely considered to
    be one of his masterpieces. His 10th symphony Adagio (Mahler died before
    he could finish it) is gorgeous, and it is kinda spooky in that if you
    imagine that Mahler KNEW he was going to die before finishing it, you can
    almost hear Mahler saying from his grave "My music is incomprehensible to
    you, is it not?" My girlfriend once asked me, after listening to Mahler's
    2nd symphony, "After listening to that, how can you NOT believe in a
    God???" Thats pretty much what Mahler does, brings heaven and hell and
    earth and humantity to the symphonic forum. He is a genius, in every sense
    of the word.

    Igor Stravinsky
    - The Right of Spring (Le Sacre du Printemps) I think that is the right
    translation
            At the premiere of this piece, fist fights and verbal arguments broke out
    in the audience! I shit you not, this piece is one hell of a ride. It
    depicts pagen rituals and crazy stuff like that. If you want to get way
    out there, yet still understand the music and what it is trying to portray,
    get this.

    Mussorgsky/Ravel
    - Pictures at an Exhibition
            Mussorgsky wrote the piano composition, and Ravel masterfully orchestrated
    it for orchestra. It isnt as emotional and soul-probing as some of the
    other stuff I have mentioned, but it is still AWESOME. I strongly
    recommend the New York Philharmonic/Giuseppe Sinopoli conducting recording.
     It also has Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain on there too.

    Bela Bartok
    - Concerto for Orchestra
            Just an awesome piece. One of the only pieces that Ive listened to so
    much that Ive learned to whistle it, back to front, and know exactly what
    every instrument is doing at every point...Much like I learn DT, come to
    think of it. : )

    This is by no means a complete list of everything that is cool, and I have
    a lot of other favorites, but Im tired : )...There are thousands of awesome
    orchestral pieces out there, these are just some of my favorites. Good
    luck, and I hope you like some of them as much as I do.

    Later

    Jon

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:44:51 -0400
    From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: LTE and Explorer's Club reviews in Guitar World
    Message-ID: <199805312248.SAA27849@mailnfs0.tiac.net>

    Someone on the alt.music-dream-theater mentioned that Guitar World had
    printed reviews of LTE and Explorers Club in their latest issue. Can
    anybody post these to the jam? Guitar World is pretty much full of schmucks
    but there's one reviewer who tends to like shred and some good publicity
    right now definitely wouldn't be a bad thing.

    Adam

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    Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:06:05 +0100 (BST)
    From: Ville Paukkonen <ville@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980531235045.15876A-100000@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>

    On Sun, 31 May 1998 Calvin6S@aol.com wrote:
    > Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I
    > continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like
    > the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful
    > sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music.

    My, that would be The Rite of Spring (aka Le Sacre du Printemps) by
    Stravinsky. You might also want to try some Mussorgsky, Shostakovich and
    Bartok. Naxos recordings are usually a safe bet since they offer rather
    good quality for budget price.

    It might also be an idea to buy classical music magazines which feature
    sampler CDs containing excerpts from reviewed recordings (Classic CD is a
    good one, although I don't know about its availability in USA).

    --- ,------------------------.
    Ville Paukkonen (ville@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk) | "Ah, Bowakawa Pousse |
    Undergraduate in Mathematics and Computation | Pousse" (John Lennon) |
    JCR, Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford OX2 6QA `------------------------'

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    Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Classical music
    Message-ID: <199805312326.TAA09705@umbc8.umbc.edu>

    > Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I
    > continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like
    > the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful
    > sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music.
    >
    > Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out
    > some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording
    > you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in
    > particular.

    Beethoven's Symphonie No. 9 in d minor--Berliner Philharmoniker under
            Claudio Abbado <Sony classical>

    W. A. Mozart's "Don Giovanni"--Try for Bryn Terfel, Thomas Hampson or Boje
            Skhovus in the title role. If you can get past some sunny, happy
            sounding stuff, it's worth it for the overture and the final act.

    Gustav Mahler--just about anything

    Hector Berlioz--Symphonie Fantastique

    Modest Mussorgsky--pictures at an exhibition

    Gustav Holst--The planets

    And, if you really would like your emotions challenged find a recording of
    Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings--it's probably the most beautiful thing
    you've never heard. Can anyone back me up on this?

    Steve Z

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