YTSEJAM Digest 3945
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3944
by dangerboy@bellsouth.net
2) DT on MTV
by T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
3) the moment
by Devs0432@aol.com
4) little Kevin...
by "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
5) fates warning
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
6) Spock's Beard
by Ed Wilk Jr <edwilkjr@glci.net>
7) Re: little Kevin...
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
8) Re: fates warning
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
9) dt on mtv? get a round tuit already
by Der Herr Bodinger <bodinger@rocketmail.com>
10) A Clockwork Orange, excuse for DTC, Chicago Savatage Show
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
11) OAN's "Into the Great Unknown"
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) RE: Voices.... WHAT?
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
13) Divine Regale
by ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
14) Sorry, Australia wins hands down...
by Scott Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
15) PURE EVIL (or divx = beta of dvd generation)
by Der Herr Bodinger <bodinger@rocketmail.com>
16) the Total Request thing
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:52:19 -0400
From: dangerboy@bellsouth.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3944
Message-ID: <35703943.4C19@bellsouth.net>
Stop Sending us this.
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:09:05, -0500
From: T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on MTV
Message-ID: <199805301709.NAA13712@mime4.prodigy.com>
Well, I'm out of lurk mode for the 2nd time in 2 days...
The number to call is:
1-800-DIALMTV
or (for the spelling impaired)
1-800-3425678
the E-Mail addy is (I think)
Total@mtvmail.com
the window of opportunity for mailing them, is only an hour long from
1-2 PM (again, I'm not sure, but maybe it refreshed someone's memory
who knows for sure)
____
Carpe Diem
Steve
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:10:50 EDT
From: Devs0432@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the moment
Message-ID: <cc9e436c.35703d9b@aol.com>
I had a moment yesterday...
after tossing up my hands in exasperation yet again over the drivvle that K-
rock was once again spewing, I lunged towards my tuning button and the only
hope of escape...89.5 WSOU...
Okay, these guys play some pretty hardcore stuff most of the time (this is the
ONLY radio station I have heard Type O on!) - but that did not prepare me for
the moment. I had my thoughts, but it took a while to sink in that they were
playing PMU! Alright, I keep hearing that this is their biggest radio hit,
but the only songs by DT I ever heard on the radio were from Awake - Lie, and
the Mirror, way back in the day (I think that was pre-wuss Q104.6 (?) ).
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aight, just had to share the moment, it most definitely made my day yesterday.
Wiggin' out,
Alex
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:38:14
From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: little Kevin...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19980530153814.2e47673a@pop.netaddress.com>
A nonsense Kevin Madden wrote:
> Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con la opinion tuya.
> 1000+ cds que tengo no significa nada. Lo siento
> mucho, majestad.
Es muy obvio decir esto, pero cantidad NO significa calidad. Ademas, porque
tantos cds??, acaso no encuentras algo que te satisfaga mentalmente???,
creo que estas perdido en el mercado apestoso de la musica comercial...
lamento decir esto, pero es asi. Ciertamente me asusta tu inseguridad para
la musica, intenta construirte un sentido musical, no consumas TODOS los
cds que ves en las tiendas. Espero que me entiendas, quiero que aprendas,
nada mas.
Me da mucha lastima tu reaccion en ASCII, es deplorable; esto indica que no
tienes opinion certera para contrarestar mis pensamientos, te limitas a
insultar... pobre chiquillo inmaduro.
Con tus actitudes pareces un gusano:
_ _
(_)(_)
/ \
/ |
/ \ * | --- Hi, i'm Kevin Madden
________ / /\__/
_ / \ / /
/ \ / ____ \_/ /
//\ \ / / \ /
V \ \/ / \ /
\___/ \_____/
Vuelve a tu agujero... puede ser que encuentres un cerebro alguna vez, si
es asi, usalo, no vas a arrepentir.
Para terminar, te dejo una citas que van a hacer que tu cabeza hueca
intente funcionar de una buena vez:
- Nunca tengas miedo de sentarte un rato a pensar. (Lorraine Hansberry)
- Conoce primero la verdad, y luego podras distorsionarla cuanto te plazca.
(Mark Twain)
- Nada da a una persona mas ventaja sobre otra que conservar la sangre fria
y la serenidad en todas las circunstancias. (Thomas Jefferson)
Piensa... es sencillo.
TO ALL THE JAMMERS!!: i'm finishing this mental conflict... i think you
wanna this... that's the END. Since now, i'll limit myself to musical
oppinions.
PD: Alex Smith, gracias por aprender 'spanish'. :-D (supongo que entiendes
lo que escribo, don't you??)
Take it easy... it's only life... cheers!!!
Nico... THE argentinian Ytsejammer
PD2: Para todos los que hablan castellano... porque nadie se atreve a usar
nuestro idioma???, acaso soy uno de los pocos?? VIVA EL CASTELLANO!!!, hehehe.
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( @ @ )
+---------oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------+
| Nicolas M. Rincon |
| e-mail: tabo-sabalero@usa.net |
| ICQ: 11862235 Nick: Tabo |
| Santa Fe, Argentina |
| "Seize the day..." |
+-------------------Oooo--------+
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:36:39 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: fates warning
Message-ID: <01bd8c02$43cd6780$6725c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
Hey y'all,
Can anyone tell me anything about Fates Warning? I picked up one of their
cds, _Awaken the Guardian_ for seven bucks today and I think it kicks ass!
What else should I buy?
Also, is latter day Marillion (i.e. sans Fish) any good? I love Fish
Marillion but I've heard Steve Hogarth sucks.
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"'Seize the Day'
Look around
Hear the sounds
Cherish your life while you're still around
We can learn from the past
But those days are gone
We can hope for the future
But there might not be one."
-Dream Theater
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"Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way
See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground."
-Metallica
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:24:29 -0400
From: Ed Wilk Jr <edwilkjr@glci.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <35706AFD.60911DB7@glci.net>
Hey hey.. got Spock's Beard today- The Kindness of Strangers. If
anyone wants to buy it from me, I'll sell it for $12.00+shipping.
Perfect condition.
Ed-San
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:22:27 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: little Kevin...
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980530172039.543197376A-100000@drew.edu>
On Sat, 30 May 1998, Nicolas M. Rincon wrote:
> TO ALL THE JAMMERS!!: i'm finishing this mental conflict... i think you
> wanna this... that's the END. Since now, i'll limit myself to musical
> oppinions.
Limit yourself to the english language as well. Don't worry, we'll still
think you're cool.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:32:12 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: fates warning
Message-ID: <357088EC.E1A1C911@goodnet.com>
Alex Smith wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me anything about Fates Warning? I picked up one of their
> cds, _Awaken the Guardian_ for seven bucks today and I think it kicks ass!
> What else should I buy?
Well, to learn more about the band you can go to http://www.ivorygate.com/fw
and check out all kinds of info, even find out how to sign up for the Parallels
mailing list... As to what to get next, if you liked Awaken, you might want to
get Spectre Within (still has John Arch on vocals), everything from No Exit
forward has Ray Alder on vocals just so you know... any of the Ray Alder era
discs are great, get either A Pleasant Shade of Gray, Parallels or Perfect
Symmetry...
> Also, is latter day Marillion (i.e. sans Fish) any good? I love Fish
> Marillion but I've heard Steve Hogarth sucks.
Steve H has a great voice, very different from Fish, but incredibly
emotional... Season's End is a really great disc, and This Strange Engine has
some great stuff on it as well...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com Fates Warning~ Island In The Stream / Dream Theater Unofficial Song Book "Everyone's leading but nobody's dancing, you stand on the stage just to turn all alone" ~ Savatage (TWoM)------------------------------
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Der Herr Bodinger <bodinger@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dt on mtv? get a round tuit already Message-ID: <19980530222821.7134.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
hey everybody! (hey louie!)
i've been reading the jams lately and have discovered a disturbing trend...the 'let's get DT on MTV through the total request program' thread. First off, even though my first thought is that the whole thing is fixed to start with, i think that it is worth a shot on the off chance that it ain't fixed. second, i see a lot of posts that say 'i'm in, just tell me when and what video'. At this rate, we will never get the task done. somebody has to take charge to get his thing underway...I say if we do it at all, we should vote for the 'hollow years' video on (maybe) Friday june 5th. (just an arbitrary time and date...i don't know when the votes are supposed to be sent or if there is a better or more current video that would better represent the awesome talent of DT).
Chuck PS anybody who recognizes the hey louie reference probably watches too much eMpTyV. (yes, i used to watch 'that' station alot, but not very often anymore) "I want to dip my balls in it!" - Louie
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:34:27 EDT From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Clockwork Orange, excuse for DTC, Chicago Savatage Show Message-ID: <19980530.163456.9343.0.DSeeger@juno.com>
>>Do any of you guys know who composed the theme to the song that DT >used as >>the opener on the FII tour? This song is just too cool. > >I believe it was Beethoven. > Wrong answer - Beethoven's Ninth is used later in the film...
> >Well, assuming you're not talking about "Rooster" :), the electronic >music >from A Clockwork Orange was composed by Walter/Wendy Carlos. I write
You forgot to mention the piece is called "Overture To The Sun." It could be "Overture OF The Sun," but I can't find the tape and it's driving me crazy! : P
OK, here's my so-called DTC:
Someone hit my car last week and I&W was playing.
OK, question time. Can any of you Chicago area Jammers recommend a safe place to park and take the El/subway to the Metro for the June 11 Savatage show? I'd greatly appreciate it.
Debbie
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:42:26 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: OAN's "Into the Great Unknown" Message-ID: <35708B52.63B03348@home.com>
I just want to say that I got Open All Night's "Into the Great Unknown" yesterday. This is really a quality disc, especially for the $10 it cost. The two DT tracks, UaGM and PS sound especially good.
If they still have any left....... you guys should check it out. Volodya (from OAN records) e-mail is: provibe@club-internet.fr
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:57:41 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Voices.... WHAT? Message-ID: <000201bd8c1e$59af2540$5b8f15cf@markphil>
Umm....
>I can't believe how many of you guys love "Voices".
?I read where one of you said that this was DT's most virtuostic (is that ?a word?) song?
>I couldn't disagree more. Voices has one guitar solo. Beyond that >where's the virtuosity. It has time changes but all DT's songs have |>that. My favorite DT songs are ACOS, TTT, Metropolis and Erotomania.
>I think that these songs have the most virtuostic playing of DT. And >ACOS and TTT, in addition, have very catchy melodies and hooks required >for a great song.
What I can't belive is that Voices is not up on most favorite of all time!
While I can't change anyone's opinion, I must dissagree on this one. Voices IMO is one of DT's better songs (they're all good, so a DT ranking system, is strewed.) THe melody is supurb and while JP's solo has been criticized by being too much like Hamlet, I belive is an incredible solo (especially when he plays it live right in front of your face). Especailly when you regard that Voices is only the 2nd part of the trilogy (Erot, Voices, Silent) then it's a wonderful combination of DT.
While there is no DT song I dislike, I love some more than others... and I must say, its difficult to rank them... but I think my top 3 would go in this order....
1. ACOS 2. Learning to Live 3. Tied Voices, Metropolis
"When you want to do something that's never been done before, sometimes people have to die." Mike Pinkel, 1998
Mark
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:25:30 -0400 From: ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: bostonjam@ax.com Subject: Divine Regale Message-ID: <19980530.222219.14902.0.ed_wilk@juno.com>
Hey,
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, since I haven't read a jam in a while, but Divine Regale is looking for a new singer. I have no idea what happened between the band and their old singer, but I can't say I'm upset. DR lives a few miles up the road from my town; I went to the local metal CD store, which has musician ads on a bulletin board, and saw that DR was looking for a new singer. Hopefully they'll get someone who doens't want to be Geoff Tate. If someone would fill me in on what happened, I'd appreciate it. And if anyone wants the name and number to contact to send DR a demo tape, just e-mail me.
Ed-San
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:45:16 +1000 From: Scott Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sorry, Australia wins hands down... Message-ID: <3570C43C.7F2B7CA8@winshop.com.au>
>> Oh well. I can't have too much sympathy for anyone who doesn't live >> in Australia, the land of no Dream Theater concerts.... > Mexico, the land of no Dream Theater concerts... > Mexico, the land of no Dream Theater records... > Mexico, the land of Dream Theater fans... > amen.
Nah, sorry Alejandro - Australia wins hands down for total DT neglect. What was the nearest concert? Japan? Pretty sad indeed.... With all the 'Jap imports' we get down here, you'd think they might a certain 'band' with them...
Fingers permanently crossed and pale blue,
Luke.
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Der Herr Bodinger <bodinger@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: PURE EVIL (or divx = beta of dvd generation) Message-ID: <19980531032449.8406.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>
hey all
i don't know if anybody out there has heard of the new format of video that will supposedly make your dvd players obsolete (those of us who have dvd, anyway). DIVX is a tool of corporate greed that must be stopped. Imagine buying a movie at your local movie house (you own this thing, forever & ever). Now imagine having to pay for it every single time you want to watch it. Now imagine big brother knowing tha you are watching it(because of the phone line continuously hooked up to it, 'for billing purposes'). Also imagine not being able to loan the movie to a friend without paying a fee. I don't know about you, but i think that i would be getting royally screwed if i went ahead and got this media.
for more info and to do your part to stop the corporate greed go to http://www.bandivx.com
Note to mike bahr: you may want to check this out before you decide to get into the dvd area (which i am pretty sure would be in the far future anyway).
Stirring up a new controversy (maybe), Chuck _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:11:43 -0500 From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the Total Request thing Message-ID: <l03130301b19658125a61@[152.204.215.64]>
This MTV "Total Request" idea that someone posted, and which people seem to be getting enthused about, reminds me a lot of a similar effort that some Jammers were attempting back in 1996. Only back then the idea was to write to "feedback@mtv.com" en masse to request Dream Theater videos. Didn't work back then either. =)
Anyway, I can't believe I'm resending something *I* wrote (ego problem, you know), but below is a post which I sent to the Jam way back in September of 1996. It was my response to the other idea about emailing MTV, and it works just as well for this one. It's still more or less relevant. (Hey, it predates "Just Let Me Breathe"...)
For those of you who saw the letter the first time around, apologies for the repeat.
[Hi to all the Jammers who were at the completely-kickass Caravan Of Dreams show in Fort Worth -- that was me who was second in line.]
OK, back to lurking.
Scotch.
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To: MTV <feedback@mtv.com> ]From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
Dear MTV,
I am writing to inform you a little bit about a band you may or may not have heard of, called Dream Theater.
Today a large militant activist group is planning on bombarding you with email in a massive organized attempt to get you to play videos by this band. This is a very dangerous, inflammatory extremist organization who will literally stop at nothing to spread their "Prog Rock" dogma across the globe.
PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM.
Right now you may be thinking, "Well, I don't see what's wrong with playing a video by this band Dream Theater; I'm sure they have a nice grungy radio-friendly style and a gritty, raw, brooding image that will appeal to our target demographics."
DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE FOOLED.
There is a lot you do not know about this Dream Theater. They are not normal. They refuse to play by the Rules of the Game which MTV has spent years carefully constructing.
I am pleading with you, on behalf of all of your loyal, glassy-eyed, empty-headed, Airwalk-wearing, flannel-clad, spoonfed MTV-watching sheep: Do not give in to these prog rock thugs! They are a threat to our basic ideas about music, culture, and our very way of life!
Think of the far-reaching ramifications if you decide to promote Dream Theater. They actually have the nerve to play technically demanding music, with poetic, thought-provoking, literary lyrics. Their songs are long, sometimes even longer than "November Rain." What message will this send to the Youth of Today? It will imply that, to become a famous rock band, one must actually have talent, training, and an attention span! This goes against our whole ethic! This is nothing less than blasphemy, and must be prevented.
YOU MUST NOT BE SWAYED FROM YOUR BUZZ-CLIP PROGRAM ROTATIONS.
Oh, I am now having nightmarish visions of John Senzio gaping brainlessly into the camera as, in the voice of a frightened child, he stammeringly attempts to introduce the latest "single" from this Dream Theater... and once the song ends, twelve minutes later, he is reduced to a gibbering simp curled up in the fetal position on the studio floor. Just think of the lovely Jenny McCarthy; how would she react to this Dream Theater? Their music would make her little pretty face implode under the crushing weight of her own sheer incomprehension. Think about those wonderful, beautiful, shapely, buff people on The Grind, as they stand there, blinking, looking around frantically like hunted animals as their minds wrestle with the mathematics of dancing in 7/8 - 4/4 - 9/8 meters. I shudder to think.
The concept that these Dream Theater fans do not seem to grasp is that MTV is not meant to appeal to us musically; otherwise why would so many popular bands be so popular? People like me, who truly appreciate MTV for what it is, *demand* to be manipulated. We must have our simple minds pumped full of images that you select. We must have our sound bites and tag lines. We must have our obtuse, casually scribbled lyrics and droning vocals, backed by grungy guitars and a phat dance beat.
YOU MUST GIVE US WHAT WE WANT, AFTER YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS.
You slipped up a few years ago, when you allowed this Dream Theater's "Pull Me Under" to be played. This caused irreparable damage, resulting in vast underground legions of Dream Theater fans to appear. Now they are amassing their forces in an effort to overthrow us.
Society is not ready for this Dream Theater. They have the power to destroy us. Yes, they are the anti-grunge, and we must not allow them into the fort lest our ultimate plans of zombification of the masses for world domination slip from us forever.
YOU MUST BE STRONG AND RESIST THESE INVADERS.
Again, be forewarned of this group of "Ytsejammers". They will resort to guerrilla tactics if provoked, especially during this time of year... many of them are rather restless, as the season is approaching when their leader, who goes by the name Bafu Vai, will return to their ranks. Do not delay in refusing their efforts! When this leader rejoins them, there is no telling what they might do.
DO NOT GIVE IN. WE ARE ALL DEPENDING ON YOU.
Be afraid.
Best regards for a promising future,
Scott Herman.
ps. Congratulations on your recent remaking of Metallica. We doubted it could be done, but you have truly outdone yourselves in totally twisting the integrity and power out of what used to be a sadly uncompromising band.
pps. Same with Pearl Jam.
ppps. More Alanis, please.
pppps. I would have written more, but "Singled Out" is on.
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