YTSEJAM Digest 4389
Today's Topics:
1) Re: In Praise of MP
by Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
2) italian?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
3) 5YiaLT/Phish/Top 20
by The I-Man <inavarro@mdo.net>
4) A long one...
by "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
5) Re: Bogsters fake interview
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
6) re: OIAL cases n stuph
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
7) UaGM / Scarred
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) Re: Funny things in 5YiaL
by Ibanez506@aol.com
9) Re: Rare MTV Interview with Portnoy -- WTF?!?
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
10) DT CDs WANTED
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
11) Online CD companies
by Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
12) OiaL in the UK
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
13) Re: Bernie Versailles' solos, a 'do it yourself' explanation
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
14) Bogie's bogus interview
by The I-Man <inavarro@mdo.net>
15) OiaL, 5YiaL
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
16) EVENT-Innovative Progressive Rock
by MFishook@aol.com
17) Yet another OIAL review (kinda long)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:10:45 +0100
From: Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: In Praise of MP
Message-ID: <363DAF55.821801CD@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> Supwitchall--
> Just something funny: last night I was letting a friend hear DT for the
> first time, and I chose I&W because I wanted to blow his mind with the
> middle of Metropolis. As we were listening, he asked, "Do they have two
> drummers?"
> I got a real kick out of that.
On ACOS I think there is a drum overdub at some parts.
At least as I hear it... Did MP really record some extra
tracks? Any opionion? Mr. 420?
Bungle (not a drummer)
P.S. I can say it exactly which part I hear the overdub when
I'm at home...
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 05:11:09 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: italian?
Message-ID: <19981102131109.2148.qmail@hotmail.com>
>regarding other progressive bands. Recently I picked up the Power of
>Omens - Eyes of the Oracle, an Italian progressive band singing in
>English which really blowed me away. Their album has long songs (one
>lasting about
yeah, i really love those Italian bands from Texas.....give Power of
Omens a shot anyway, even if I never got the disc their vocalist told me
he was sending along (i need to buy this album, and soon)
partha
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:11:34 -0500
From: The I-Man <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: DT Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 5YiaLT/Phish/Top 20
Message-ID: <363DAF86.A2A78975@mdo.net>
Just wanted to say thanks to Mike for the explanations about the Vid. I
think it's great! Regarding the WOWOW material, I for one was not at all
disappointed by the inclusion these vids since I hadn't seen them
before. I'm just sheltered I guess! Question: On my copy, the sound
drops out very briefly in a number of places including the production
video of Silent Man (weird), is this just my copy or is this a problem
with all of the tapes?
About Phish. I saw them in August with some friends who are big fans. I
took them to see DT and they took me to see Phish. Let's just say that
our tastes in music are pretty different since I didn't think any more
of Phish than they thought of OFB. I will say this about the Phish
concert though, DT's sound man could take some lessons from the guy who
did the sound for that show. All of the instruments were clean and
clear with no one instrument standing out or too laid back. I sure John
M and Derek would kill for that kind of mix. Both DT shows I saw on this
latest tour (Vanderbilt's and Irving Plaza) had sub par sound by
comparison, IMO. I thought JM was buried and would apply Damon's comment
about Derek's inconsistent levels on the vid, which is consistent with
what I heard live. From what I'm reading here, sounds like I should
expect the same from the new CD.
I would love to be able to judge for myself, but IT'S FREAKING MONDAY
ALREADY AND CDNOW STILL HASN'T DELIVERED MY FREAKING CD YET!!!
ARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Sorry, I'm calmed down now. I actually took the time to try and come
with a top 20 list. I don't know how many of you bothered, but that was
harder than shit, man. Between DT, Rush, Yes, and Dixie Dregs I could
easily have completed the 20. I guess if was to be stranded on a desert
island with only 20 CDs I wouldn't have much variety. Any way, I assumed
that wasn't the purpose of the exercise and limited those bands to about
10 entries so that I could include some other much deserving stuff. I
guess what I'm saying is that there's a lot of great music out there and
this poll actually got me thinking, "You know, I should listen to more
of the other great music I own besides just my few favorite groups."
Looking forward to see how the poll turned out and hoping enough of you
submitted a top 20 list to make it statistically meaningful.
I'm done now, I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings this time ; )
I-Man
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:59:01 +0100
From: "NGA" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: A long one...
Message-ID: <002901be0668$f1c77a20$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
quite a lot to get through in this one, so let's start with the Spock's
Beard gig in
Offenbach, Germany, last night.
Enchant were the support band. They seem to be competent musicians,
especially the
drummer, but I found the songs to be about as interesting as watching paint
dry. The guys appear to think that they are a prog band and that means
stretching each song to
at least 10 minutes, even if the ideas behind the song are exhausted after
just 3 minutes.
I retired to the bar for the duration. Then came Spock's Beard. It was the
second time
I'd seen them, so I knew roughly what to expect, but it's almost impossible
for me to
tell you just how frigging excellent these guys were. I've rarely seen so
many people
smiling at a concert before, both on the stage and in front of it. From the
first second
both the band and the audience were fully into the gig. The most obvious
thing about
the band is Neal Morse. He writes excellent songs, is a brilliant live
performer and has
fantastic stage presence without being pushy - he just belongs center-stage
front. I often
had the impression he looked like he would start telling jokes. Musically,
the lads were
as tight as a duck's arsehole (which is widely known to be water-tight), all
songs being
delivered perfectly, and possibly just a touch rockier and heavier than on
the albums.
Ryo Okumoto's antics would pose a serious threat for Derek, and Dave Meros
sounded
so much like Chris Squire that it was frightening (that Rickenbacker bass
sound is just
so good). Nick D'Virgilio's drumming skills are being wasted when he plays
for Genesis
- he has a fine touch that a lot of drummers simply don't have, and Alan
Morse rounded
everything off perfectly. But it was so obvious that the guys were having a
real ball up
there, and this enthusiasm jumped across to the audience, who passed it back
to the
band, who passed it back... This was one of the most memorable live
performances
that I've seen by any band ever. Period. Neal's piano went out for a couple
of minutes
and he entertained us while it was being repaired by playing Horizons and
bits of
Supper's Ready. Other highlights included Thoughts, including all the weird
vocal
sections and the first encore of Squonk with Nick singing and Neal on drums.
On a
scale of 1 to 10 this gig went off scale - a truly wonderful and memorable
evening.
If this band ever play somewhere near you, you owe it to yourself to do
everything in
you power to get to see them. It was also nice to see the boys from Vanden
Plas there,
too (unofficial news straight from Andy's mouth - we can expect a new album
in the
spring of 99).
Those of you who were pissed off with me for not buying "Once In a Livetime"
can now
sleep peacefully, knowing that the members of Dream Theater and their
families will not
be thrown onto the streets, because my girlfriend bought the album for me.
Still don't like
Hollow Years, though.
Some of you are getting worried because you got copies of the live album
with "for
promotional use only" or what ever stamped across them. Moonspell did the
same with
their last album, and it was done with a purpose. The owners of these CDs
were then
eligible to take part in special tour competions. Perhaps Mike and his band
of jolly
pranksters are doing the same.
Review of My Dying Bride's excellent new album "34.788 %...Complete" will
follow
shortly. (For the guy who asked, yes, "Heroin Chic" is censored on my
version as well)
And did I mention that Mika Hakkinen rules?
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: New Order - Substance 1987
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:00:53 +0100
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Bogsters fake interview
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981102140053.006daa48@unet.univie.ac.at>
hey there!
hmmm, its ok to tell jokes, but to be honest i didnt find it funny.
especially the AIDS part of the interview is something really stupid. Bogie,
its not funny making jokes of a disease such as AIDS. damn, maybe im just
too fuckin serious but i found it disgusting. nevermind, Bog still rocks! :)
NP:Dream Theater OnceinaLIVEtime
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:27:15 -0600 (CST)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: re: OIAL cases n stuph
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981102081834.20113A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Phil Carter wrote:
|Jon K. says:
|>HOW gingerly I handle it.
|>Great discs guys, but terrible cases. : )
|Hell, at least it's better than the double-case for Fates Warning's "Still
|Life". When I opened that thing up, I had to believe I had already broken
|something. I open it up to get to CD #2 and it doesn't open, it FOLDS via a
|plastic "hinge". What the hell's up with that? The case for OIAL is a
|triumph of engineering in comparison.
hmm...my OIAL and Still Life cases are exactly the same: little hinges. and
they sure don't feel sturdy. the best 2-CD case i've seen is Marillion's Made
Again...which opens from the right hand side.
wtf are we complaining about cases?@! oh wait...we're jammers. my fault.
i've only listened to both discs twice. i like em. <flame bait> and they have
solidified my belief that Awake and I&W are far better than FII. ToT
sounds like it should have been on Awake. </flame bait> and maybe i'm getting
old, or slowly removing myself from the prog realm, but these solos are
getting tedious. yeah, they're good n stuff, but i know i'll be skipping them
in future listens.
np: marill10n - radiat10n
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:43:04 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ghabetle@hotmail.com, YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: UaGM / Scarred Message-ID: <363DC4F8.6EACDA96@home.com>
Greg wrote: >I'd been lurking on this list for FOUR years and now, after mistakenly >typing UAGM instead of Scarred (in reference to the missing guitar >solo), I feel like such an idiot that I'm turning the lurk mode back on. >In another four years I'll try again.
Hey, no biggie. Mistakes are mistakes - we all make 'em. As far as Scarred goes, I agree with you.
Later,
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
************************************************************************** Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying 'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare Reveal the word when you're supposed to" - Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:40:48 EST From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Funny things in 5YiaL Message-ID: <d022082.363dc470@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-11-02 07:48:47 EST, you write:
<< Absolutely LOVED the behind-the-scenes shit ... I wonder how many marshmallows Mike actually had in his mouth there ;). >> I was wondering how many too. But they look like smarties ya know the stuff you always got too much of when trick or treating. Two other things I noticed..... the silent man John Myung actually smiled I couldn't believe it myself. If you watch verrry carfully during Damage Inc. right after MP sticks out his tongue it's quick but he does smile. The other thing is DS, was he trying to dance like James Brown or Jerry Lewis??? Anyway he's rather goofy, I get the feeling that DS and Mike get into a lot of trouble together! I also loved the vid and hope there are more in the future, thanks Mike!
Just another $0.02 added to the ever growing penny collection, Juli
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:58:43 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Rare MTV Interview with Portnoy -- WTF?!? Message-ID: <000701be0671$4af20a40$75886dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Bogie wrote in Ytsejam digest 4388:
<I hope you enjoyed this!>
Nope, I didn't...... Wrong kinda amusement...
Stickmaster D.
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:21:20 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT CDs WANTED Message-ID: <4.1.19981102101800.00a38d20@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I'm looking for a few Dream Theater CDs...if you can help me out, I'd appreciate it. The CDs I'm looking for are:
-Live Bonus Tracks (4 track promo CD offered only in France.)
-Touring Into Infinity and Beyond (3 track European FII tour promo CD)
-Live in Long Island II (bootleg from I&W tour)
Please email me with your asking price if you are willing to sell these to me.
Thanks, Bogie
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:32:35 -0500 From: Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Online CD companies Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981102103235.007e72f0@mail.objectpeople.com>
Hey guys,
Has anyone ever ordered CDs from either M&M Progressive Rock (http://www.mandmmusic.com) or The Artist Shop (http://www.artist-shop.com)? Both of these sites have a CD I'm interested in (Doane Perry's "Thread"), but I don't have any experience with either of these places. Any info would be apprecieated, thanks.
Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
"Through nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live." - Dream Theater
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:59:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OiaL in the UK Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1102155959-d07rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
UK Jammers: HMV in Glasgow has OiaL in stock (several copies) at ukp 23.99 each. Ouch! No sign of the video yet.
I would have ordered it from CD Now, or somewhere similar, for about half the price, but I want to make the point (in my own insignificant way) to British shops and record companies that there might just be a market for DT. :-)
Paying over the odds is, sadly, the price of fanaticism.
Graham, the sweaty-palmed salivating fanatic.
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:57:55 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Bernie Versailles' solos, a 'do it yourself' explanation Message-ID: <4.1.19981102114807.00928220@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Nathan R. remarked: > Some people have asked which solos were performed by Bernie >Versailles on the new Fates disc, _Still Life_. Its not that hard to >figure them out yourself, simply pop in disc 2 and don the headphones. >Jim is allocated to Stage Right, so his guitar sound will come through >the left channel of your cans. Bernie's, therefore, will come through >the right channel. No offence, but is this really that difficult to >figure out?
For those of us who never got to see the FW shows with two guitarists, yes, it is. Jim Matheos was the only onstage guitarist when Fates hit my hometown. Bernie was added on a later leg of the tour. How am I to guess where Jim was onstage when Bernie was playing too? Psychic powers?
ta, Phil
================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:33:31 -0500 From: The I-Man <inavarro@mdo.net> To: DT Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Bogie's bogus interview Message-ID: <363DECEB.21CE4ACE@mdo.net>
1. Not funny, at all. 2. In very poor taste 3. No, I didn't enjoy it
Nuff said, I-Man
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:53:55 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OiaL, 5YiaL Message-ID: <001201be0689$cbd6f0e0$98723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Hey all, I've been really busy.. but here is my take on the live album... It's awesome!! Why? You ask? It's a perfect representation of what you get when you go to a DT concert, minus the cigarrette smoke and B.O. of other concertgoers! I was truly happy to hear DT play "To Live Forever" on 5YiaL, I was disappointed that they didn't on OiaL.. but at least I have it on VHS... Can't get the damn lie single! Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:15:19 EST From: MFishook@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: EVENT-Innovative Progressive Rock Message-ID: <6c08623e.363df6b7@aol.com>
Hello Progressive Music Lovers,
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Matt EVENT
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:58:00 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Yet another OIAL review (kinda long) Message-ID: <363E0EC8.23D399B6@caribe.net>
First of all, thanx to DT and of course Mp for this awesome album...
So... heres my thoughts:
On terms of contents.. this is THE Dt cd to get, specially for people who only own one or so DT albums, getting sort of a "best of"....
Performance wise, I think everyone truly does a great job, and like everyone has said before, Derek truly SHINES here...not only because we can actually hear him, but his keyboard work just seems much more focused than other times ive heard him on the FII tour...( im not saying he didnt focus, just that here he seems to be MORE focused )
My gripes: ( hey everyone has them )
Production wise, i cant really point out what i DONT like... it just sounds "wierd" to me... i dont know why... maybe with time ill know what exactly i mean by "wierd".... for example.. ok , derek's keys are really high in the mix, which i totally LOVE, but sometimes they go a little TOO high for a few seconds (usually leads) then drop out quickly (when turning to pads or chords whatever ) sounds kinda unnatural, like if KS just decided "hey here comes a lead lemme turn up" then quickly turn down after... also... Jp sounds SO distorted, like hes breaking up all the time..specially on his solo track...that kind of got to me... even on the quiet parts of his solo it sounded distorted ( the audio not the guitar ) as for Mike's drums..well they sound very clear..every hi hat nuance is there..that rocks... although i agree with what damon said about them sounding with less tonal qualities than before.....
Ok so enough about gripes.. THIS CD JUST ROCKS!
I know it wont leave my cd player for a LONG time!, hell FII is still there! Cant wait to receive the video!
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
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