YTSEJAM Digest 4390
Today's Topics:
1) John Myung Progressive Bass Concepts
by "Darren Overcash" <bassplyr@hotmail.com>
2) "Of Sins and Shadows" [LIVE] from the upcoming Live set!
by "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
3) power of omens/OIAL review
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
4) My OIAL just came in!!!!!!!
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
5) Misc. ramblings
by AL <al@isd.net>
6) Beard & Dali's MP3s
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
7) Bogies DT interview
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
8) Everyone else is doing it.... opinion of OiaL
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
9) If...
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
10) Dream Theater International Fan Club
by drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
11) JLMB trade-off
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
12) Re: Dream Theater International Fan Club
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Bernie Versailles' solos, a 'do it yourself' explanation
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: Misc. ramblings
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) The Ytsejam Top 20!
by ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com>
16) Re: DT CDs WANTED
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
17) Kansas Ytsejam Meeting
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
18) OIALT: Lie
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
19) Sending $$ across the pond to the DTIFC
by crow <crow@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us>
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:59:16 PST
From: "Darren Overcash" <bassplyr@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: John Myung Progressive Bass Concepts
Message-ID: <19981102185917.24595.qmail@hotmail.com>
I as just wondering if anyone had a copy of this video they were willing
to sell or make a copy of. Please email me privately. Thanks in
advance.
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:53:05 +0100
From: "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: "Of Sins and Shadows" [LIVE] from the upcoming Live set!
Message-ID: <000301be069a$682a85a0$1e669ec2@default>
Hello everyone,
We have uploaded full live version in MP3 format of "Of Sins and Shadows"
by Symphony X from the forthcoming 2CD set entitled "The Divine Twilight of
Damnation", recorded live at La Locomotive, Paris France, on October 21st,
1998.
The link to our site is below. Enjoy!
More details on OAN's next project coming soon!
Best regards,
Volodya of OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS.
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OPEN ALL NIGHT [ OAN ] RECORDS
Check out "Flight of Icarus" & "Manowar" performed by ANGRA
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm
e-mail: oanrec@club-internet.fr
ICQ number: 19517742
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:10:23 -0500
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: power of omens/OIAL review
Message-ID: <363E11AF.40C2E82A@trw.com>
> yeah, i really love those Italian bands from Texas.....give Power of
> Omens a shot anyway, even if I never got the disc their vocalist told me
> he was sending along (i need to buy this album, and soon)
Definitely get this disc which is currently my disc of the year (so
far)...
I received OIAL on Friday. It was great as expected. Of course there
were some songs I wish were on it but anyway, definitely a top notch
live disc. Question, is the disc the actual recordings or were there
overdubs? I still need to get the vid.
I'm going to The Hague in a few weeks, can any of the Dutch DT fans let
me know of must see or dos?
NP:Rush-Cygnus
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: My OIAL just came in!!!!!!! Message-ID: <19981102204258.3350.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
I am currently on track 5 Scarred, and all I can say is wow. This cd represents a concert like nothing i have ever heard before. DT have really captured the live vibe with this.
Thanks to Mike Portnoy and the rest of Dream Theater for giving us one more reason to proclaim that you guys are truly one of the Best bands ever!!!!!
P.S. my copy came from cdnow and it did not have the little warning about having to return it to the manufacter. It had a little sticker saying "Two cd's The Definitive live Dream Theater" Looks like my copy is the real thing not a promo. I can now rest knowing DT got my money.
== John
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:50:07 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Misc. ramblings Message-ID: <363E1AFF.34D2D957@isd.net>
Greg wrote: >I'd been lurking on this list for FOUR years and now, after mistakenly >typing UAGM instead of Scarred (in reference to the missing guitar >solo), I feel like such an idiot that I'm turning the lurk mode back on. >In another four years I'll try again.
Don't be a wussy, post away! I occasionally open my mouth only to change feet. That's half the fun. ----------------------------------------------------------
Thanks to the kindness of strangers, (Joe DeAngelo) I have some Spocks Beard MP3 files. It's taking some getting used to. Kinda like YES meets Crosby, Stills & Nash... I guess. ---------------------------------------------------------
I had what could only be described as a drug-induced dream last night... I was flying above Idaho (without aide of machines) and seen KorgX3 wandering aimlessly from store to store looking for 5YIAL! Hey Korg, ditch the Honda... Perhaps a Viper would make you look cool. At least it would minimize the time between let-downs:-(
Where can I find some Angra and Dali's Dilemma MP3's?
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:23:24 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Beard & Dali's MP3s Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981102132320.00695834@postoffice.pacbell.net>
At 01:03 PM 11/2/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Thanks to the kindness of strangers, (Joe DeAngelo) I have some Spocks >Beard MP3 files. It's taking some getting used to. >Kinda like YES meets Crosby, Stills & Nash... I guess. >---------------------------------------------------------
I don't know which mp3s you've heard already, but there are 10 mp3s up on the Spock's Beard mailing list website ( http://www.spocksbeard.net ).
>Where can I find some Angra and Dali's Dilemma MP3's?
The music link on the new Dali's Dilemma website ( http://www.dalis-dilemma.com ) doesn't seem to be working yet, but some mp3s are still up on their old website ( http://www.netwiz.net/~vertigo/music.html ).
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl ________________________________ Ytsejam Radio Broadcast http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:08:58 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Bogies DT interview Message-ID: <199811022126.NAA13798@knight.axnet.net>
About Bogie's false DT interview:
I laughed my fucking ass off!! And to all you politically correct people dont get so fussy about it. It's just a fucking joke....enjoy it.
Thorin
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:04:59 -0800 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Everyone else is doing it.... opinion of OiaL Message-ID: <000001be06ac$d5133560$ac8c15cf@markphil>
Jam,
Well, I just couldn't help myself... anyway, here we go...
OVERALL: A+++^100 (the ^ means raised to the power of for those who haven't had math in years) =)
I truely love this album... Contrary to popular sayings, I love James' performance here, considering the length of the show. He has gotten so much stronger over the years. While JM could be turned up a little, his presence is definately felt, which is what you want from a bass player... (only negative is during his really cool riff in Metropolis it's muddy and not defined...)
The sound is also incredible... I still want to know what Derek uses for his patches. I do agree that JP's solo sound is a little rough, but his new cruch sound is GREAT!!! (esp in Peruvian Skies)
Only big negative, which really isn't one but I just noticed... TEMPOS... Does anyone else feel that some of the songs are slightly slow? Some of them are right on (JLMB, Voices, etc), but others like Lie and even Metropolis are slightly on the slow side. It's nit picking, but when a CD is THIS good, that's all you can do!
Also, on the video, I LOVE Lifting Shadows!!!! This song is simply incredible! Also the addition of Mike and John to the vocal harmonies makes their live performaces 10000% better! I'm still having a difficult time telling if there are overdubs (which I assume there are some), but the quality of their live performances vs. LiT or LatM is incredibly better.
Patiently waiting for X-mas
Mark Philpot Music Creations http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:35:49 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: If... Message-ID: <4.1.19981102172202.00a1e290@po7.mit.edu>
..you didn't find that interview funny at all, I apologize for sending it.
..you found it hilarious, then you probably enjoy stuff like Kevin Smith movies, South Park, etc. Like me.
People have different senses of humor, folks. Keep that in mind. If you feel the need to justify my reasons behind sending that post, then email me in private. This doesn't need to clutter the 'Jam.
-Bogie
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:00:28 -0500 From: drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dream Theater International Fan Club Message-ID: <19981102.180028.9070.0.drussell29@juno.com>
Well I mailed my $20 in cash with the registration form to the address in England today....can't believe it only costs 60 cents to mail it!! Oh well they told me it should be received within 7 to 10 days....I was wondering if anyone can give me some feedback on how long it took to hear from the fan club once you mailed the info and cash....feel free to email me in private....thanks and I look forward to hearing from everone...see ya
Dan Russell Recreation Superintendent
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:57:46 -0600 From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: JLMB trade-off Message-ID: <363E46E9.F6F33D9A@bigplanet.com>
> That's because it's not really a "trade-off" solo, it's a full-on > guitar/keyboard duet. In the studio, Kevin Shirley punched in and out on > the final mix to get the feel of it being a trade off, even though both > musicians were playing the thing all the way through. That's evident on > the DT Christmas CD '97.
actually, it's evident that they each went in and out. you didn't notice petrucci practicing it between takes WITH the rests? I thought KS punched them in and out when I first heard it, but the X-Mas CD proved that they played the seperate parts. It's probably a bit too tough (even for these guys) to do live, though, so they make it a duet.
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:53:07 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Dream Theater International Fan Club Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811022151050.17727-100000@rebutosa>
On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Daniel C Russell wrote:
> Well I mailed my $20 in cash with the registration form to the address in > England today....can't believe it only costs 60 cents to mail it!!
What do you mean by "can't believe it"? Is it too much or too little? I pay much more than US 60 cents when I'm trading with people from the US. In fact, it costs me more to send to the US than it costs you people to send me things here to Brazil.
I really don't know why, since the distances are the same (I think :-) ), but consider yourselves lucky.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:22:14 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: fates@listservant.com Subject: Re: Bernie Versailles' solos, a 'do it yourself' explanation Message-ID: <199811030022.QAA21069@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Phil Carter thus begged: > >Greetings ye 'jamanoids... > >Nathan R. remarked: >> Some people have asked which solos were performed by Bernie >>Versailles on the new Fates disc, _Still Life_. Its not that hard to >>figure them out yourself, simply pop in disc 2 and don the headphones. >>Jim is allocated to Stage Right, so his guitar sound will come through >>the left channel of your cans. Bernie's, therefore, will come through >>the right channel. No offence, but is this really that difficult to >>figure out? > >For those of us who never got to see the FW shows with two guitarists, yes, >it is. Jim Matheos was the only onstage guitarist when Fates hit my >hometown. Bernie was added on a later leg of the tour. How am I to guess >where Jim was onstage when Bernie was playing too? Psychic powers?
Also, he did backing vocals on Point of View... just in case you couldn't tell it wasn't Joey...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:24:09 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Misc. ramblings Message-ID: <199811030024.QAA21107@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., AL thus begged: > >Where can I find some Angra and Dali's Dilemma MP3's?
You can find some demo tracks on the old website... These are old and quite different from what will be released.
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: ytse jam <ytse_classics@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The Ytsejam Top 20! Message-ID: <19981103002606.8383.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com>
And here it is! Your Top 20 favorite/all time classic recordings!
64 people voted, so 64 was the maximum number of votes a recording could get. You will notice that the number of votes drop off rapidly by the third place.
A total of 633 different titles were chosen. Full details will follow later.
And here's the Top 20!
#Votes/Artist/Title -------------------
50 Dream Theater - Images And Words 39 Dream Theater - Awake 21 Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime 20 Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray 18 Rush - Moving Pictures 17 Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity 13 Metallica - Master Of Puppets 11 Liquid Tension Experiment - Liquid Tension Experiment 11 Yes - Close To The Edge 10 Genesis - Selling England By The Pound 10 Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV 10 Metallica - ...And Justice For All 10 Queensryche - Empire 10 Symphony X - The Divine Wings Of Tragedy 09 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon 09 Rush - Hemispheres 08 Alice In Chains - Dirt 08 Dream Theater - A Change Of Seasons 08 Dream Theater - Once In A Livetime 08 Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Some other interesting results:
A couple of "non-prog metal" titles made it fairly high in the voting.
In the "jazzy" area:
With 7 votes, Steely Dan/Aja was tied for number 21.
With 6 votes, Miles Davis/Kind of Blue was tied for number 27.
In the "industrial" area:
Nine Inch Nails/Pretty Hate Machine comes in with 5 votes and ties at 34.
In the "funk-metal" category:
The Red Hot Chili Peppers/Blood Sugar Sex Magic garnered 4 votes to tie at 41.
Of course 4 votes doesn't seem like a lot, but the majority of our recordings only received 1 vote each. To be in the Top 100 (out of 633), it only took 3 votes.
The full list and more to come...
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:27:25 -0600 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT CDs WANTED Message-ID: <363E4DED.C202BC57@uiuc.edu>
you could prolly find the second one at southlandcd.com. I saw it there a couple days ago. later.
Nick Bogovich wrote:
> Hey everyone, > > I'm looking for a few Dream Theater CDs...if you can help me out, > I'd appreciate it. The CDs I'm looking for are: > > -Live Bonus Tracks (4 track promo CD offered only in France.) > > -Touring Into Infinity and Beyond (3 track European FII tour promo CD) > > -Live in Long Island II (bootleg from I&W tour) > > Please email me with your asking price if you are willing to sell these > to me. > > Thanks, > Bogie
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:14:23 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Kansas Ytsejam Meeting Message-ID: <01be06c7$4a8a78c0$dc5299d1@default>
Just another reminder, the second meeting of the "Kansas Ytsejam" will be held this Saturday November 7th. Anyone in the Kansas City MO or Overland Park KS. area who would like to come please e-mail me for location and time.
Mike Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:27:37 -0500 From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OIALT: Lie Message-ID: <002201be06d1$8a00eac0$5418acd1@Customer.in-tech.net>
I've been listening to OIALT for a while today, and I just wanted to state that I love Derek's keys on Lie, the interlude before "I have gotten used to being..." part. That kicks ass. JP's guitar work still kicks major ass in that song, but the new keys part there sounds really cool. The whole album kicks ass.
Death Lord
NP: DT-OIALT disc 2
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:28:52 -0500 From: crow <crow@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sending $$ across the pond to the DTIFC Message-ID: <363E6A64.6BBD@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us>
Recently several people have been debating on the safety of sending cash overseas to the Fan club address in England. Well let me say that there is nothing to worry about.
I sent in my application for a NEW membership on Oct 14 and my membership packet arrived Oct 26. Yup, just 12 days to go across the ocean TWICE. I was a little worried I might not be early enough to get my membership processed in time to get the 1998 X-mas cd. Whew!
I encourage EVERYONE who was considering joining the Fan Club to get that sucker in the mail. And according to the current issue of Images and Words the New York office is CLOSED. They will NOT accept any applications, and there is currently noone that will notify you that you need to renew! I would however reccomend getting insurance, since you'll be sending cash.
So it's up to you Jammers, if you want those gems from the Rotterdam fan club show and other tidbits, send in those applications and renewals now!
Fly High and Lay low,
Chris
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