YTSEJAM Digest 4394
Today's Topics:
1) Bassist's Perspective
by "chris" <cherbst@usa.net>
2) Symphony X
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
3) SG - Tyranny
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
4) re: observations on oial
by "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu>
5) thoughts
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
6) voodoo joke*NO DT* Adult only. no DT
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
7) OiaL review
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
8) The Arizona Ytse Hunter
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
9) Say What Mike?????
by Lawrence Leon <larryleon@earthlink.net>
10) Consolidated Ytse-replies
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4393
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
12) Re: SG - Tyranny
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
13) Re: Say What Mike?????
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Re: Say What Mike?????
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
15) ***NEW DT HAT PRICING AND ON SALE**
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:48:54 -0500
From: "chris" <cherbst@usa.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bassist's Perspective
Message-ID: <000201be07a0$ba8da780$7bddaccf@computer>
I wonder if they will ever make a bassist's perspective mix, DS on the
right, everyone else on the left, and of course bass dead center :)
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:15:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Symphony X
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981103221324.25492A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
At the risk of sounding like an icredible newbie (though I am pretty new
to this list, I've lived through a couple of arguments so far), I just
barely heard my first bit of Symphony X - "Sea of Lies", to be exact - and
I have only one thing to say:
WHERE CAN I FIND SOME MORE?!
Are there any sites out there where I can find MP3s of their stuff? If
there are, by all means, contact me about it.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage!
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"Friends are people who help you move. But
REAL friend help you move BODIES."
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:49:08 -0600
From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: SG - Tyranny
Message-ID: <363FCEB4.26F0DFF@wavetech.net>
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Ok, so I've heard some people glorifying this album. I had "Carved in
Stone", and it blew. Any reason why this one is any different?
-Taur
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:06:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: observations on oial
Message-ID: <Pine.GHP.4.02.9811032000500.12676-100000@oyster.ucsb.edu>
Koba wrote:
>all that shit about how i hated derek, and how dt will never be the same
>without kev.....gone. out the window. i'd gotten this vibe when i saw
>them for myself last year, but now that i can REALLY hear what he's
>doing...i dare say he's responsible for putting the fun back into playing
>prog-rock. from a guy who wears fur coats, whose sexual orientation has
>been debated, lava lamps, "eruption", "nicky lemons"? i don't think any
>of this would've worked with someone else. he reminds me that not all
>prog-rock is stuffy, anal, and inpenetrable to the outside world.
Koba, All I can say is YES, YES, YES! This is exactly what I was
starting to think a year ago when I saw them in L.A. ... Derek has really
brought a spirit of fun into the OFB's live performances. I mean, I
can do without Mike spitting water on everyone, but what the hell...
the mood has become so much lighter since Derek found his groove in
the band. In my mind, he is not Kevin's replacement - he is DEREK.
Let him be "weird" all he wants... fact is, he kicks ass on the keys
and brings new flavor to DT at an opportune time.
That all I gotta say...
p.
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Paul T. Fini U.C. Santa Barbara
fini@engineering.ucsb.edu Materials Dept.
voice (805)893-8869, fax (805)893-8971 MOCVD group
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:32:56 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: thoughts
Message-ID: <363FD8F8.9C225CBB@bigfoot.com>
Well, at my local Tower records, DT gets a full column on the shelf -
from the bottom to the top, through maybe 5 or 6 "steps"(for lack of a
better word). Also, I can often find them in on of the coveted display
positions at the very top of the shelf, where cds are lined up side by
side. At Goody, Musicland, and everywhere else, they don't get nearly as
much prominence. Do these stores have any say in who they can promote,
or is there some kind of contract specification handed down by the
record companies? I am the epitome of ignorance here. All I know is
that, at least on the surface, Tower Records is a good thing.
I hate the OiaL case. maybe mine is a defect, but it opens very stiffly
- it won't just swing open. Plus, there's no good spot to grab the
middle piece so as to turn it over and get the other cd. On the typical
slimline double cd case, your hinge is on the right, and you can sort of
flip the thing over. Here, you must push it open with resistance. Plus,
the rear liner is exposed! that sucks. it flaps in the wind if you hold
the thing upside down.
And btw, as a graphic designer, I have to say I don't much care for the
liner notes design, either. the storm thorgesen illustration is cool,
but the collage, which is most of the design, sucks. It's one of the
worst collages I've ever seen, and I have to believe it was done with
extreme carelessness and I'm very disappointed. You can't even see most
of the photos, which makes them useless noise. And that wouldn't be so
bad, if the sacrifice of information went to making the thing look good,
but it doesn't look good at all. it looks like the spread of my
junior-high yearbook.
Of course, my bitching stops there, because the cd is phenominal. All
the little things I hoped would be there are. Like the cool way James
says "I'll try, I swear I'll....tryyyyyyyyyeeeeeeyayayayayya!" or the
pumped up guitar entrance in ACOS, and yes, I was pleasantly surprised
to hear the samples in voices and TTT.
Also, trial of tears was great! killer. Anyone else notice the Close
Encounters of the Third Kind riff John had going on in the intro?
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:54:46 -0800 From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: voodoo joke*NO DT* Adult only. no DT Message-ID: <199811040453.XAA03068@smtp3.atl.mindspring.net>
SORRY FOR THE ADULT JOKE>>>, but I just thought it was pretty funny.
ADULTS ONLY******** Not ment to offend anyone.
>> THE VOODOO PENIS >> > >> >A businessman was getting ready to go on a long business trip. He knew >> his >> >wife was a flirtatious sort with an extremely healthy sex drive, so he >> >thought he'd buy her a little something to keep her occupied while he >> was >> >gone. >> > >> >He went to a store that sold sex toys and started looking around. He >> >thought about a life-sized sex doll, but that was too close to another >> man >> >for >> >him. >> >He was browsing through the dildos, looking for something special to >> please >> >his wife, and started talking to the old man behind the counter. He >> >explained his situation. The old man said, "Well, I don't really know >> of >> >anything that will do the trick. We have vibrating dildos, special >> >attachments, and so on, but I don't know of anything that will keep her >> >occupied for weeks, except---" and he stopped. >> > >> >"Except what?" the man asked. >> > >> >"Nothing, nothing." >> > >> > "C'mon, tell me! I need something!" >> > >> > "Well, sir, I don't usually mention this, but there is The Voodoo >> Penis." >> > >> >"So what's up with this Voodoo Penis?" he asked. >> > >> >The old man reached under the counter, and pulled out a very old wooden >> >box, carved with strange symbols and erotic images. He opened it, and >> there >> >lay >> >an ordinary-looking dildo. The businessman laughed, and said "Big damn >> deal. >> >It looks like every other dildo in this shop!" >> > >> >The old man replied, "But you haven't seen what it'll do yet." He >> pointed >> >to a door and said "Voodoo Penis, the door." The Voodoo Penis >> miraculously >> >rose >> > >> >out of its box, darted over to the door, and started pounding the >> keyhole. >> >The whole door shook wildly with the vibrations, so much so that a >> crack >> >began to form down the middle. Before the door split, the old man said >> >"Voodoo Penis, return to box!" The Voodoo Penis stopped, levitated >> back to >> >the box and lay there quiescent once more. >> > >> >"I'll take it!" said the businessman. >> > >> >The old man resisted, saying it wasn't for sale, but finally >> surrendered to >> >$738 in cash and an imitation Rolex. >> > >> >The guy took it home to his wife, told her it was a special dildo and >> that >> >to use it, all she had to do was say "Voodoo Penis, my crotch." He >> left for >> >his trip satisfied that things would be fine while he was gone. >> > >> >After he'd been gone a few days, the wife was unbearably horny. She >> >thought of several people who would willingly satisfy her, but then she >> >remembered >> >the Voodoo Penis. She undressed, opened the box and said "Voodoo >> Penis, my
>> >crotch!" The Voodoo Penis shot to her crotch and started pumping. It >> was >> >absolutely incredible, like nothing she'd ever experienced before. >> After >> >three mind-shattering orgasms, she became very exhausted and decided >> she'd >> >had enough. She tried to pull it out, but it was stuck in her, still >> >thrusting. >> >She tried and tried to get it out, but nothing worked. Her husband had >> >forgotten to tell her how to shut it off. >> > >> > Worried, she decided to go to the hospital to see if they could help. >> >She put her clothes on, got in the car and started to drive, quivering >> with >> >every thrust of the dildo. On the way, another incredible intense >> orgasm >> >made >> >her swerve all over the road. A police officer saw this and immediately >> pulled >> >her over. >> > >> >He asked for her license, and then asked how much she'd had to drink. >> >Gasping and twitching, she explained, "I haven't had anything to drink, >> >officer. >> > >> >You see, I've got this Voodoo Penis thing stuck in my crotch and it >> won't stop >> >screwing me!" >> > >> >The officer looked at her for a second, shook his head and in an >> arrogant >> >voice replied, "Yeah, right... Voodoo Penis, my ass!" >
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:05:05 -0500 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: OiaL review Message-ID: <000601be07b0$af6ac080$8b8acf98@rob>
Hey Jammmers, Being bothered with school and work and other shit the past week, I finaly got the chance to go out and buy OiaL. My first song i heard off it was TAMP on Fingers Metal Shop on LI's WBAB. Let me tell you, it was quite a change from what he usually plays! So i go out and buy it listen to it, and think DAMN! thats good. It bothers me that you can hear JM and when you do, his tone is horrible. Not only that, he chickens out in ACOS IV, but that WAS funny. MP solo was amazing and the intro to Scarred was awsome. Everyone got solos but JM!!! JP had his share as always! :) Dereks was cool and i didnt realize how complex LitS really is until being able to hear the keys with no distraction. Overall the sound is excellent. JLB sounds as he always does live, almost sounds like he uses a pre-recorded track :) I havent finished the 2nd disc yet, but up to now, i am definatly not dissappointed. Round of applause for you guys. How about next tour dragging the Symphony X boys with you. How sweet it is! Thats the album from the eyes of a bassist of course, as if you didnt notice. Back to lurk.
=A0=A0=A0-Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800 bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:02:18 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Arizona Ytse Hunter Message-ID: <363FDFDA.28F7C981@imap1.asu.edu>
Alright, who was the goober in the Waking Up the World tour shirt in the Arizona State Memorial Union by copy machine next to the Wells Fargo ATM this Tuesday about lunch time? And why the hell haven't we butted heads yet? }:^)
I know you're on here buddy! I KNOW YOU'RE ON HERE! You're probably reading this email right now and cowering in dreaded fear that the all-psychotic ECKIE has spotted you wearing the official gear of KEWL DUDES! HEY! Put that guitar down! I'm typing at you!
I would've interrupted your transaction at the ATM, but heh, that wouldn't have been a good impression since i was decked out in the black duds today....
ASU students have good taste.... ..well...a few of us do anyways.
And that's just not opinion....
~Eckie bells Eckie bells, Eckie all the way
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:43:55 -0800 From: Lawrence Leon <larryleon@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Say What Mike????? Message-ID: <363FDB8B.3D20@earthlink.net>
I'm still fairly new to the jam, so forgive me if this questions was already addressed. I was listening to OIALT to track #11, "Ytsejam". At about 3:12 in the track, Mike Portnoy shouts something out during the small break in the music. He did the same thing when I saw the show live in Phoenix. I was trying to read his lips and still could not figure out what he is saying. Does anybody know? If you do, please share it with the rest of us. My burning curiosity thanks you in advance.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:15:53 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Consolidated Ytse-replies Message-ID: <363FE309.23C3743C@isd.net>
Jon Kretschmer wrote: >Al the proctologist said:
Jon,
Cancel that check you wrote to Evelyn Wood. It's ProG tologist. :) I will look into those bands though... Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------- Brian Hansen inquired what to choose: Vanden Plas - "The God Thing" Is Killer!!! ---------------------------------------------------- Brian Hayden wrote: >I'll take 48 hours of "Don't Worry Be Happy" over ten seconds of Ray >Alder's voice any day of the week.
You need to get off the Lithium drip... ---------------------------------------------------- Joe DeAngelo wrote: >Oh, by the way Al....... did that "Flow" MP3 finish getting through OK?
No. One of the other ones got the tail end chopped off as well. We'll get hooked up again and finish what we started. I hope you're enjoying the Vanden Plas stuff I sent.
>So we're sitting and listening to APSoG, when all of a sudden (to quote >QR) "it hit me like a two ton........ heavy thing". I've had the APSoG >disc for a few months now, and I've always thought it was "pretty good" >but it never really struck me as "great". It's funny, it's like ALL OF >A SUDDEN I just saw the fucking light. This really is ........ damnit, >I can't even find the words. It definitely just "got me" though.
I myself am torn between the studio versions of APSoG and The Ivory Gate of Dreams. TIGod (Abr. says it all) is so damn dramatic... I just love it! If Zonder had done the drums on this tune It would have easily been my favorite Fates song. -- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:23:23 -0400 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4393 Message-ID: <01be07b3$3e5d60c0$6a4d6120@alexis1>
Hello! I just wanted to comment on some things wild koba said:
> >2nd, i want to say it. i know it's been said before. it seems to spur >controversy. but whatever. don't like it? fuck you too. > >james' range is DEFINITELY on the decline. no doubt about it. i don't think >we'll ever hear him scream some of those absurdly high notes on pmu like he >used to back in 93, or even in 95. there were definitely some points on this >album where i was thinking, "he shouldn't have tried that.....did he have to?" >despite this sad and natural fact, i think it's going to be extremely >interesting to see what he does with his voice in the future. i'd love to see >how he responds to this sort of challenge. you never know- he might come up >with a new melody to on old song like "uagm" that we'll all wet our pussies >over. nevertheless, james was, is and always will be THE dt vocalist (i still >die laughing in ttt when he sings, "and no one will save you this TIME-UH"). >so no, none of this means that he sucks, but it's kinda like time to mature.
I just wanted to comment on Jame's range. Alright, I do admit that he's lost some of his range, but I also wanted to say that I think James has regained some of his range recently. I think James hit more of the high notes on OIAL than on any other boot I've heard since the I&W days. I don't think he's capable anymore of screaming his ass off like he did at the end of the original ACOS, or at the end of TLF in the Live in Tokyo video without sounding like Phil Anselmo of Pantera for the rest of the concert (alright, I'm exaggerating), but he can still hit many of the high notes on most of the songs. It really baffles me how he has gone from sounding great (I&W days) to sounding average (Awake days) to sounding great again (FII days, NOW). And it's also baffling how he was capable of sounding great throughout the whole OIAL concert, which was longer than the usual DT concert, when, for example in the Home for the Holidays shows, his voice would fuck up around the end of the concert. He also sounded a lot cleaner on a lot of high notes on OIAL than on other concerts I've heard from post-I&W concerts. So, I think James still has most of his range, but there had to be something wrong with his singing that he has corrected recently and has allowed him to exploit his vocal chords some more.
>b) a "xanadu" tribute at the beginning of "trial". you can't disagree. it's >SOOOOOOO "xanadu".
It sounds a bit like Xanadu, but I think it's more a tribute to Close Encounters of the Third Kind and The Trees (Portnoy's wood blocks) than to Xanadu.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:43:05 -0800 From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: SG - Tyranny Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981103214301.009f153c@pop3.concentric.net>
Kyle McCabe wisely queried:
>Shadow Gallery - Tyranny >Ok, so I've heard some people glorifying this album. I had "Carved in >Stone", and it blew. Any reason why this one is any different?
Nope. Same crap, different bowl. I guess some people are into that sort of thing. ;)
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:44:48 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Say What Mike????? Message-ID: <363FF7E0.27337C4B@caribe.net>
Lawrence Leon wrote:
> I'm still fairly new to the jam, so forgive me if this questions was > already addressed. I was listening to OIALT to track #11, "Ytsejam". At > about 3:12 in the track, Mike Portnoy shouts something out during the > small break in the music. He did the same thing when I saw the show live > in Phoenix. I was trying to read his lips and still could not figure out > what he is saying. Does anybody know? If you do, please share it with > the rest of us. My burning curiosity thanks you in advance.
SOYYY BOMBBBBBBBBBBB!!!!!!!
:)
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:43:13 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Say What Mike????? Message-ID: <363FE971.B603617C@imap1.asu.edu>
Lawrence Leon (what a name) asked:
> I'm still fairly jew to the jam, so give me crack if this questions >as already addressed. I was listening to OIALT to track #11, "Ytsejam". > At > about 3:12 in the track, Mike Portnoy shouts something out during the > small break in the music. He did the same thing when I saw the show live > in Phoenix. I was trying to read his lips and still could not figure out > what he is saying. Does anybody know? If you do, please share it with > the rest of us. My burning curiosity thanks you in advance.
After effectively knocking out the asshole EMI staff working the concert with his camel spits from hell *HWOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAACH* and building up the speed, Mike swung that microphone over Mount Tama with his speedy paws and shouted, FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS!!! And the headbanging commenced. I don't have OiaLT yet(yeah, just TRY to tar and feather me, buddy), but that's what happened in Tempe on the 20th of May, 1998....Ah, why I can just remember it like it was yesterday....
John Petrucci jumping off the shuttle at Club Rio, looking at us jumping around sayin' "YO JOHN!" 3 hours before the show...and him flipping us off and sayin', "Your mothers listen to Marilyn Manson!" before fleeing into the safety of his rackmount village....James turning Ed Voras into door jam as he flew out of the club mumbling something about "Goddamn prog bands...singers deserve solos too..."....John Myung giving that cockeyed look that dogs do when you fart weird after I bowed down and kissed his boot wearing toes, and the doing the Irish jig with Derek in the studio...bwahahaha....ahh the memories....
Wait a sec...i was never in the same studio as Dream Theater....
YOU WERE IN THE MEMORIAL UNION! I KNOW IT WAS YOU! Confess your prog metal listening ways my son, and ye may yet be savethed!
~Brother Eckie, Preacher of Metal
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:54:22 -0800 From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ***NEW DT HAT PRICING AND ON SALE** Message-ID: <199811040553.AAA07082@smtp2.atl.mindspring.net>
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