YTSEJAM Digest 4396
Today's Topics:
1) Re: What to choose?
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
2) Royalties Question
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
3) 5YiaL, OiaL
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
4) Re: bass player perspective
by Ibanez506@aol.com
5) marillion
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
6) Re: SG - Tyranny
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
7) Re: What to choose?
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
8) Re: LaBrie's voice
by Ibanez506@aol.com
9) Platy Pussy
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
10) Misc ramblings
by Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
11) Re: What to choose?
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
12) Re: Misc ramblings
by Cassiano P Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
13) Re: Royalties Question
by polzin edward george <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu>
14) Re: Metallica and Megadeth
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
15) Attention Crack Smokers!!!
by NuGgeTMaN <opeckie@base.org>
16) am I leaving?
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:22:33 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: What to choose?
Message-ID: <4.1.19981104085505.0092b730@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Brian H. wants an opinion on:
>Eldritch - Seeds of Rage
Not a bad disc, the guitar sound is a bit thin, but the keys are good.
Pretty good and surprisingly unaccented vocals considering the band's from
Italy.
>Stratovarius - Visions
Get this. Get it NOW. Neoclassical progressive metal with an incredibly
tight musical web and a guitarist, keyboardist and vocalist who should be
in the top 5 of their respective polls. :)
>Payne's Gray - Kadath Decoded
Get this. Get it NOW. Payne's Gray combines progressive metal with
atmosphere in spades. Layers of keyboards, TWO operatic vocalists,
beautiful flute and acoustic guitar interludes, and a kickin' concept
story. How many bands do stuff based on H.P. Lovecraft?
>Symphony X - Damnation Game
Pure crunching in-your-face neoclassical heavy metal. Michael Romeo and
Michael Pinnella (guitar and keys respectively) are MONSTERS and Russell
Allen has one of the most amazing ranges around. Not just the range of
notes he can sing, but how he can sound as well. Growls, wails, floating
operatic vocals, and pure power. Great stuff.
Taur remarked:
>Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
>Ok, so I've heard some people glorifying this album. I had "Carved in
>Stone", and it blew. Any reason why this one is any different?
As far as the music itself goes? No. More of the same atmospheric metal
that makes SG great, as far as I'm concerned -- but taken to a higher
level. And the production is much better, the lyrics are better, the
concept story rules, and there are a host of guest stars including James
LaBrie and D.C. Cooper from Royal Hunt.
I count "Tyranny" as one of this year's top releases. As always, your
mileage may vary.
ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:29:40 -0500
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Royalties Question
Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF04FFE6D@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Freebird is at the end of Take the time, it starts right after
>> take the time.... and Mody Dick is just a snippet of the
>> main riff.. is ironically at the very end of take the time, after
>> the freebird jam, just like 5 seconds, again it's the main
>> riff.. not a part of the drum solo.
I always had a question about the royalties of stuff like this. I guess
that I have too much time on my hands. Say a band (call them DT) put out a
six song EP of all DT-written songs. Say that one of the songs was
Metropolis but they wanted to add about 20 seconds of "One" to finish the
song (sadly missing from OiaL as this has become part of the song to me now
!!!!!).
While DT has to acknowledge that the 20 second riff was written by Metallica
in the credits, how do the royalties work ?? Do they have to pay 1/7 of the
whole CD's writing royalties to Metallica (because regardless of the length
of the music, there are now 6+1 = 7 songs) ?? Of course, this would blow.
Or, do they have to pay 20/720 of 1/7 to Metallica (because in one song, 20
of the approx 720 seconds were not written by them ?? Or is it something
different ??
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:06:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: 5YiaL, OiaL
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981104095552.6229A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
OK, my thoughts....
OiaL - definitely rocks. The consummate DT album for anyone who
isn't fanatical like us here.
One gripe - JLB going a little overboard, putting extra notes
on holds and all that. A little too much for my tastes, but
otherwise he was great vocally. The one thing that has
constantly bothered me with him is his lack of enunciation on
the higher notes. Just totally ruins the songs, especially
Anna Lee's bridge section......ugh.....
5YiaL:
quick things:
1.) Derek rocks. Plain and simple. He is just awesome, more
as an entertainer than a musician. And that says a lot because
he rocks on the keys.
2.) The "acoustic show" was awesome. I hate everyone who had a
chance to see it live.
3.) Anyone notice how the "acoustic" show drifted away from being
"acoustic".....I found that pretty funny....
4.) "Speak to Me" - geeeeeeez......that song f'in' roks nadz...
absolutely awesome. Not as awesome as To Live Forever, but very
close. Would have definitely preferred that one over Anna Lee
in a big way - especially the version on the video. Definitely
reminded me of U2 as well....
5.) What the hell was the other song they did at that show.
Can't remember it off-hand, but just as good.
6.) Loved the "Hollow Years" video. Thought it was their best
video yet. HATED the "Lie" video - way too cheezy. Saw it a
long time ago, but now am reminded of how terrible it was. DT
should definitely stick with non-performance shots in their
videos, unless it's in a live setting a la PMU........."Silent
Man" was pretty good as well, especially the first half of it.
7.) Wish there was more stuff off the FII tour, esp. them playing
in front of the bigger crowds on the DP/ELP tour......and I liked
that the songs they picked from the WOWOW broadcast were ones in
which James' voice sounded good. He was definitely off that
night from that cold or whatever.
8.) Derek rocks. and he can dance! :)
-Al
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:26:00 EST
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: bass player perspective
Message-ID: <5814768e.36407208@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-11-04 01:00:58 EST, you write:
<< I wonder if they will ever make a bassist's perspective mix, DS on the
right, everyone else on the left, and of course bass dead center :)
>>
Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing?! However I doubt it :(
These young producers and engineers need to learn a lesson from every bassists
best friend Mr. Terry Brown (Rush). Now that guy nows how put bass in the mix!
another bass player lost in the mix,
Juli
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:30:41 +0100
From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: marillion
Message-ID: <199811041530.QAA11572@online.no>
Just a couple of marillion questiones:
-Who the heck is marillion?
-What kind of music do they play?
-I'v heard some songs from the album "Afraid of sunlight".
Are these songs "representative" to what marillion plays?
Do DT fans like marillion? What's the connection? Do they sound alike?
(I didn't get that impression... - the alike part)
Wow! That's alot of questions!
Looking forward to getting OiaL and Chroma Key's (Kevin's) DafR!!!
They should arrive any day now!
Jonas Opsal
(Xident)
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My DT-page:
http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:30:05 -0000
From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: SG - Tyranny
Message-ID: <000301be07e6$b1eca0e0$0200005a@kez>
>Kyle McCabe wisely queried:
>
>>Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
>>Ok, so I've heard some people glorifying this album. I had "Carved in
>>Stone", and it blew. Any reason why this one is any different?
>
>Nope. Same crap, different bowl. I guess some people are into that sort of
>thing. ;)
>
>Rick Audet
>San Francisco
Yes, Rick, SOME people are into THAT sort of thing. Sorry we can't all have
your flawless taste in eclectic music. :)
Rick's right though, if you hated CiS, you'll probably hate Tyranny also.
I, for one, like them both, but Tyranny just kicks all ass.
Kez
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:04:25 -0000
From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: What to choose?
Message-ID: <000201be07e6$b133ff40$0200005a@kez>
Looking for advice, Brian Hanson wrote:
>I'm thinking of picking up some cds, and I thought I'd look for some
>input. Anybody have an opinion on any of the following, like which
>ones would you get first (if at all)?
>
>Eldritch - Seeds of Rage
>Eternity X - The Edge
>Stratovarious - Visions
>Kamelot - Siege Perilous
>Micheal Romeo - The Dark Chapter
>Vanden Plas - The God Thing
>Payne's Gray - Kadeth Decoded
>Symphony X - Damnation Game
>
>Thanks for any input, BH
Well, Brian, this is just one opinion, but get Vanden Plas IMMEDIATELY. Then,
after you've recovered, skip Stratovarius, and buy Labyrinth - Return to
Heaven Denied. Labyrinth is similar to Strato, but MUCH better, IMHO.
As far as the others, I have Visions, and it's good, but(see above).
Kamelot is excellent, but I liked Khan with Conception better.
Don't have any of the others, so I'm looking forward to other responses.
BUY Vanden Plas NOW!!!
Kez
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:33:26 EST
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LaBrie's voice
Message-ID: <653e5d00.364073c6@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-11-04 09:25:17 EST, you write:
<< Also I believe it was said Labrie was sick and had throat problems
throughout the Awake tour. >>
I heard he had some kind of throat surgery. Am I wrong on this?
If he did have surgery then this would also explain why he sometimes doesn't
go for the high notes. I'm not bitchin' I love LaBries voice live, he has more
raw emotion and really gets into the songs.
Juli
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:00:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Platy Pussy
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1104160001-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
I am in love with Platypus; I've decided that Ty Tabor rules. How much does
this stuff sound like King's X? I might have to get a King's X CD.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:13:59 -0600 From: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Misc ramblings Message-ID: <36406F2F.6A42AE13@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
Just got through watching the 5YIALT vid for about the nth time, just a couple things to say: I wish that when JM was doing one of his killer sig bass licks they would have shown him, they showed JP while he was soloing, but when JM was laying it down they showed a snippet and then shifted focus. Not a big complaint because otherwise this vid was just killer. Best I've seen in a long time. Anyone no where I can get a copy of "To Live Forever, and Cover My Eyes" as they were done on the vid? I'll take anything I can get CD-R, MP3. etc... Private e-mail is OK.
Jason
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:11:53 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: What to choose? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981104081153.01756a70@mail.legato.com>
Just being a good doobie, Kez wrote:
>Well, Brian, this is just one opinion, but get Vanden Plas IMMEDIATELY. Then, >after you've recovered, skip Stratovarius, and buy Labyrinth - Return to >Heaven Denied. Labyrinth is similar to Strato, but MUCH better, IMHO. > >As far as the others, I have Visions, and it's good, but(see above). > >BUY Vanden Plas NOW!!!
Okay Brian,
I recently got the live Strato "Visions" thanks to a helpful hint from a friend (have I paid my suckup dues now Skadz?:)) and at the same time I got Labyrinth "Return to Heaven Denied" Here's where I am gonna have to disagree with my friend Keeezy here. (sorry Keeezy) I like the live Strato better. I have tried and tried and tried and tried and listened and listened and listened and well the Labyrinth is just not moving me like other CD's I have bought recently including Visions. There is maybe one or 2 songs on Labyrinth that catch my ear, but not enough to make me stop what I am doing and concentrate on the songs. Labyrinth is kinda like elevator Muzak for my work day when I just need some filler noise in the background. The Strato however rocks me. It's real hard to concentrate and get work done when I have this 2 CD set in the CD player.
Now the Vanden Plas, has been played enough times on Ytseradio that my appetite for this CD has been whetted thoroughly. Must have Must have Must have! Santa I have been a good girl all year this year and all I want for Christmas is The God Thing by Vanden Plas.
Anyways...back to my work day.
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"the way you come to me is such a mystery, I just reach out and connect".....Mystery - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:40:52 -0200 From: Cassiano P Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Misc ramblings Message-ID: <36408394.5E86B5BF@uol.com.br>
Jason Barden wrote: > > Just got through watching the 5YIALT vid for about the nth time, > just a couple things to say: I wish that when JM was doing one of his > killer sig bass licks they would have shown him, they showed JP while he > was soloing, but when JM was laying it down they showed a snippet and > then shifted focus.
I also would kill to see the "To Live Forever" guitar solo, which the video doesn't. But, well, nothing is perfect... The video still kicks it!!! :)
Cassiano
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:47:20 -0600 (CST) From: polzin edward george <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Royalties Question Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981104114557.22543B-100000@eesn23.ews.uiuc.edu>
I think, as long as they recognize the band to avoid copyright infringement, they dont have to pay any royalties to metallica. But that's just what i think.
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Metzger, Mark wrote:
> > >> Freebird is at the end of Take the time, it starts right after > >> take the time.... and Mody Dick is just a snippet of the > >> main riff.. is ironically at the very end of take the time, after > >> the freebird jam, just like 5 seconds, again it's the main > >> riff.. not a part of the drum solo. > > I always had a question about the royalties of stuff like this. I guess > that I have too much time on my hands. Say a band (call them DT) put out a > six song EP of all DT-written songs. Say that one of the songs was > Metropolis but they wanted to add about 20 seconds of "One" to finish the > song (sadly missing from OiaL as this has become part of the song to me now > !!!!!). > > While DT has to acknowledge that the 20 second riff was written by Metallica > in the credits, how do the royalties work ?? Do they have to pay 1/7 of the > whole CD's writing royalties to Metallica (because regardless of the length > of the music, there are now 6+1 = 7 songs) ?? Of course, this would blow. > Or, do they have to pay 20/720 of 1/7 to Metallica (because in one song, 20 > of the approx 720 seconds were not written by them ?? Or is it something > different ?? > > Mark Metzger > mmetzger@comversens.com >
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Metallica and Megadeth Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981104093953.39422A-100000@archa8.cc.uga.edu>
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> "Countdown to Extinction" in the #1 Megadeth position?
That' bull. Rust In Peace, So Far..., Cryptic Writings and Peace Sells should've all been above Countdown.
> Is "Reload" > really better then "Load"?
Absolutely. Reload is unquestionably the best Metallica album of the '90s. Period. End of story. Easily better than Load and Black. Of course, you're not cool if you like it, though.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Fates Warning--Still Life ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:38:41 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <opeckie@base.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Attention Crack Smokers!!! Message-ID: <36409F31.51D0D5CE@base.org>
I've recently aquired a couple CD's and figured I give my quick $.02 on them...even though it's WAY late. 1. OiaLT & 5YiaLT - They Rule!!! Already said this on the jam
2. Shadow Gallery "Tyranny" - AWESOME!!! Way better than CiS, D.C. Cooper on "NWO" (wrestling fans get it) just Rules! Brendt Shreds the ass off Yngwie...still, Gary and Chris rip some mean keys...the melodies are killer, the slow stuff is very though out...the only down side is the stryper-esque cheesey background vocals...as with CiS. This Cd IS a must have!!!
3. Explorers Club "Age of Impact" - Here's where the war will start...Flame ME, and not the jam! For whoever said this cd is better than LTE...they need a new pair of ears! first of all...I didn't realize this was basicly a Magellan-based project, and I personally can't stand Magellan...so this cd has had a whopping 1 spin in my player, and was immediatly loaned out to a friend who might actually like it. I was SOOOOO disappointed with this CD I almost had to take it back for a refund. The only good thing was Petrucci...who gives a good performance, but the sound quality henders it.
4. Kiss "Psycho Circus" - For any Jammers that are Kiss fans and don't have it yet...just download the MP3's off the net, listen to it 5 times, and then you'll be bored with it. This CD is so patheticly formulated that it just insults your intelligence...go figure.
O.k. that's all...just helping those of you who were thinking about some serious CD buying in the near future.
Still awaiting my piece of Platy-pussy -NuGgeTMaN
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:59:02 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: am I leaving? Message-ID: <19981104185903.3490.qmail@hotmail.com>
A week ago I got pretty bored by the jam: a lot to read and not much content and I also reached a saturation point in DT's music, meaning I'd have to listen to some Poison for a while. Then I got the video and thought "ooh, baby". It's the thing I wanted(it was then when I realized that KM was not on the LIE and SM video). The SM video rocks, but I am not particular about HY's video. BTW, Puppies on Acid and JLMB is from the Bonn show, recorded by VIVA, for all those who are interested. OIaL?? "OOOOOHHhh, baby" Somebody mentioned he didn't expect much cause he listened to all the boots before. Another one that improvising is not that big a thang in DT shows. I was careful listening to the discs, not to make fast decisions, BUT I FUCKING LOVE IT !! With the keyboard audible and its sounds diverse, this is one of my favorite live recordings of DT. Keys add so much. My former favorite song LitS? Is still my favorite, this live version rocks my of. I just hope people don't look through the window, when the headbanging, dancing Au=pair makes pancakes w/ a bottle of beer and smiling broadly.
JP's solo will convince all doubters, leave many guitarists speachless(calling him an asshole) and bring an invitation to the shredding hall of fame. Actually it reminded me a bit of a Paul Gilbert.
Last line: I hate to break it, but I still get absolutely nothing from Speak to Me. Sorry. after reading 16 jams in row schnipp says Good-Bye
Just fuckin' seize the fuckin' day...
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