YTSEJAM Digest 4397
Today's Topics:
1) Re: i have seen the coming of the political messiah
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) Re: SG - Tyranny
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
3) Re: What to choose?
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
4) Hello? Cthulhu? No, no one by that name here....
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
5) KISS (NDTC)
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
6) WAY more than we need to know....
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
7) Forming a Ytse-band......
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
8) New Metallica album?
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
9) Re: What to choose? & SG - Tyranny
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
10) re: SG - Tyranny
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
11) Dream Theater on Waldrock, Holland
by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
12) Tower, LaBrie, SG and other flames
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
13) Quiet Room/ Marillion
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
14) Maryland Envirothon (NDTC)
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
15) Super Dream Theater gig
by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
16) Review of 5YiaLT
by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
17) Re: Forming a Ytse-band......
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:01:32 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: i have seen the coming of the political messiah
Message-ID: <3640a48c2712001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <19981104124722.26680.qmail@hotmail.com>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> and his name is Jesse "the body" Ventura
>
> ex-navy seal, ex body guard to the Rolling Stones, and yes, ex
> professional (as Tom Brokaw pronounced it last night) wrassler, one of
> the icons of my youth......
>
> congratulations to mr. ventura, now enshrined as the Governor of the
> State of Minnesota
>
> and to the voters of that state.....to quote a local radio ad, "What the
> (bleep!) were you thinking?" (Joe, you might know which one I'm talking
> about)....what ever it was, thanks, guys, made it a hell of a night to
> be a fan of both politics and wrestling
Hahahhaaha...guess who voted for the crazy bastard? :D
This will be a verrrrrry interesting four years.
-Brian
"You can't start a fire worryin' about your little
world fallin' apart." - Bruce Springsteen
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:10:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: SG - Tyranny
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9811041333240.22584-100000@voyager.cris.com>
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Michael Patrick wrote:
> >>Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
> >>Ok, so I've heard some people glorifying this album.
> >>I had "Carved in Stone", and it blew. Any reason why
> >>this one is any different?
>
> >Nope. Same crap, different bowl. I guess some people
> >are into that sort of thing. ;)
>
> Ouch, Rick. THE FOLLOWING IS NOT INTENDED AS FLAMEBAIT: How can you
> listen to the sword and sorcery of Sym. X and then turn right around and
> slam SG? If you smell any cheese in one, you're obviously holding your
> nose when listening to the other.
Hi Mike! :)
As far as the 'sword and sorcery of Sym. X' is concerned, I think I'm not
affected by that level of cheese because I pay little attention to lyrics.
My focus is on harmony and melody: the instrumental aspects.
1. Songwriting.
When I listen to Symphony X, I hear outstanding songwriting with some of
the coolest guitar riffs I have ever heard. When I listen to SG I hear
weak and uninteresting songwriting.
2. Vocal performance.
Where's what really gets me about SG. I can't see how anyone can possibly
listen to the singing on both CiS and Tyranny and not laugh at just
how silly it is. Unfortunately "silly" is the only word I can come up with
to describe the style of singing. This is where the overwhelming
perception of cheese is sourced.
Another aspect of Tyranny which makes me not want to listen is the
production. What's with the paper-thin guitars that slice my eardrums
apart? If I'm going to let my ears bleed, it's going to be from balls &
chunk (Symphony X) and not razorblade cuts (SG).
On a relative scale, however, I'd rather listen to Tyranny than, say,
Sunblaze "Illuminating Heights". On the flip side, I'd actually prefer to
hear Steve Hogarth whine on a Marillion album than hear any SG.
That's my nipple. Well, one of them at least.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:13:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: What to choose?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9811041411060.22584-100000@voyager.cris.com>
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Carol Dellinger wrote:
> I recently got the live Strato "Visions" thanks to a helpful hint from a
> friend (have I paid my suckup dues now Skadz?:))
Not to nit-pick or anything, but "Visions" is a studio album and "Visions
of Europe" is a double live album. I think Brian Hansen asked about the
former. No biggie. :)
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:25:30 -0500
From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Hello? Cthulhu? No, no one by that name here....
Message-ID: <3640AA2A.98D1389D@bah.com>
> >Payne's Gray - Kadath Decoded
>
> Get this. Get it NOW. Payne's Gray combines progressive metal with
> atmosphere in spades. Layers of keyboards, TWO operatic vocalists,
> beautiful flute and acoustic guitar interludes, and a kickin' concept
> story. How many bands do stuff based on H.P. Lovecraft?
METALLICA comes instantly to mind. "Call of Ktulu" (Cthulhu), and "The
thing that should not be" are both Lovecraftian songs, and several
others exist that seem to be eluding me at the present time...
-Loooooooeeeeeee fled screaming into the night "Ia! Ia! Shub Niggurath!
Black-goat of the woods with a thousand young and Kevin Moore's
cancerous testicles!!! Make Shoggoths, not war..."
This must seem terribly confusing to the uninitiated....
-The Nyarlathotep has spoken.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:44:00 -0500
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: KISS (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3640AE80.46665FF1@trw.com>
> 4. Kiss "Psycho Circus" - For any Jammers that are Kiss fans and don't
> have it yet...just download the MP3's off the net, listen to it 5 times,
> and then you'll be bored with it. This CD is so patheticly formulated
> that it just insults your intelligence...go figure.
Um, when did KISS ever put out intelligent music? KISS was never about
10 minute guitar fests. Their songs are fun, party type songs. That's
it. Obviously if you only like music like DT, you wont like KISS. If you
have an open mind and like various genres of music then you might like
KISS. I have the new disc and I have listened to it more than 5 times.
It still rocks. Their best cd since Lick It Up.
NP:Rush-Fly By Night
-- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:33:01 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: WAY more than we need to know.... Message-ID: <006801be082f$43785fc0$ce826dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
<<<<Hehe...this is WAY more than we need to know.
Jon>>>>
If that man's son is in hospital, for god knows what reason.... All you can think of is this????..... Jesus.... Something like "Tell him we will send him all digests if he wants to when he comes back, and give him our regards..." would be more appropriate....
I'm really dissapointed in you..... I'm sure the band would feel the same way.... I sthis how you were raised..???
Stickmaster D.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:09:38 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Forming a Ytse-band...... Message-ID: <006901be082f$44f14420$ce826dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Ok Jammanoids....
After (finally!!) watching 5YiaLT, I decided that it's about time I took some action.... I am really motivated right now.... Yada yada yada...!!!
So I was thinkin'... I know there must be some basists, guitarists, keyboard players and singers reading this..... Wouldn't it be cool if for instance one of you guitarists out there recorded a (self made) guitar track and send it to me so I can add a drumtrack. I then will send it to an Ytse-bassist (the futher, the better...), which will add his track. He then will send it to a singer and so forth... Not particulairly in that order tho..... I thought it would be a great idea... Maybe it works out and the "Ytse-band" could come together some time...... I hope there are some people (with access to "good" quality recording possibilities among you.... When it's finished, we can put it as an MP3 on the net......
I know it's possible... (Grip Inc. have worked like this on their songs until the recordings of their first album....) Of course the sound quality won't be optimal.... But it would be just fun...
Also I am still desperately looking for a band at the moment... Anyone in the Netherlands looking for a very motivated an pretty experienced drummer...? No beginners..... Style.....: dah....!
Stickmaster D.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:09:33 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New Metallica album? Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981104150823.93306A-100000@archa11.cc.uga.edu>
Someone wondered why no one has commented on Garage, Inc. It's because it isn't out yet. The release date for North America is November 24.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Fates Warning--Still Life ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:44:56 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: What to choose? & SG - Tyranny Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981104124430.006b7da0@postoffice.pacbell.net>
[Re: What to choose?] Brian Hanson wrote: > >I'm thinking of picking up some cds, and I thought I'd look for some >input. Anybody have an opinion on any of the following, like which >ones would you get first (if at all)? > >Stratovarious - Visions >Kamelot - Siege Perilous >Vanden Plas - The God Thing >Symphony X - Damnation Game
Get these four now. :o)
Keeeeeez wrote: > >Kamelot is excellent, but I liked Khan with Conception better.
Agreed. I'll never get over the break-up of Conception. *sniffle* :'o{
I haven't heard very many good things about pre-Khan Kamelot, and I must admit that I haven't even heard any. I do have Siege Perilous though, and either they've gone through some major changes with the addition of Khan, or everyone is full of shit about how they used to suck. The bottom line: if you've never heard Kamelot before, get Siege Perilous... if you hated Kamelot before, get Siege Perilous. Did I mention you should get Siege Perilous?
Speaking of Khan... did anyone else notice he dropped his first name? Maybe he got tired of being called "Ray". ;o)
>BUY Vanden Plas NOW!!! > >Kez
Yeah. What he said.
[Re: SG - Tyranny] Rick Audet wrote: > >On a relative scale, however, I'd rather listen to Tyranny than, say, >Sunblaze "Illuminating Heights". On the flip side, I'd actually prefer to >hear Steve Hogarth whine on a Marillion album than hear any SG.
/me faints dead away from seeing Rick actually compliment Steve Hogarth.
And yes, that *was* a compliment... the best you're going to get from Mr. Audet anyway. ;o)
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl ________________________________ Ytsejam Radio Broadcast http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:58:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: SG - Tyranny Message-ID: <19981104205823.15585.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
Kyle McCabe (Taur inquired):
>>>Shadow Gallery - Tyranny >>>Ok, so I've heard some people glorifying this album. >>>I had "Carved in Stone", and it blew. Any reason why >>>this one is any different?
Rick Audet responded:
>>Nope. Same crap, different bowl. I guess some people >>are into that sort of thing. ;)
and Mike Patrick asked:
>Ouch, Rick. THE FOLLOWING IS NOT INTENDED AS FLAMEBAIT: How can you > listen to the sword and sorcery of Sym. X and then turn right around and slam SG?
For Kyle, bottom line is you had better listen to it first...
For Mike, I tend to agree with Rick, but I'll actually explain a little. You seem to be relating the lyrics of Sym-X with SG. Granted, they're both a bit "sword and sorcery", but even within that narrow scope, some people like one and not the other.
As far as vocals go, the differences are staggering here. Many people (including myself) feel that Russell Allen (Sym-X) is one of the best singers to come around since Geoff Tate.
As for Tyranny, I've only given it a couple of listens. That first instrumental song blew me away. The production was great! No cheese there. But when the vocals came in, it was obvious. With the production now first rate, it's obvious that the singer (Mike Baker) has a block of velveeta stuck in his throat. There's 2 kinds of people, those who can take his vocals, and those who can't. It's just a matter of taste.
To me, he's too over the top, too dramatic. All the cheese that Geoff Tate could have mustered in "The Warning" era, but instead of coming off as incredible (like Geoff), it comes off as terrible.
I could imagine that I would love Tyranny if someone else, like John Arch (ex-Fates), were singing. (For some reason that seems like a great combination to me). But with the current vocals, it's just not my cup of tea.
Hope that helps explain...
Another $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:59:51 +0100 From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dream Theater on Waldrock, Holland Message-ID: <3640C047.4719@wxs.nl>
Dream Theater played Waldrock, Holland, in August this year. I heard that the gig has actually been broadcast on Dutch radio. Has anyone caught this on tape, or has it even been made into a bootleg? I am much interested (I would, wouldn't I?). -- \===-- Richard Karsmakers -- karies@wxs.nl -- ICQ #18645533 --===/ | "ST NEWS" Atari disk magazine - stnews.atari.org | | "World Wide Web Multi Media Magazine" -- www.scriba.org/w3m3 | | "Twilight World" magazine -- www.scriba.org/twilight | | Atari ST Scene Reunion -- www.scriba.org/stniccc2000 | | GWAR FAQ - www.gwar.net/fuq/index.html | | Plantiac Adoration Shrine -- home.wxs.nl/~cronos | | Disk Magazine WebRing -- www.scriba.org/diskmags | /===--- P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands ---===\
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:20:06 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Tower, LaBrie, SG and other flames Message-ID: <3640C505.BC9A6FC3@ucla.edu>
Hey all.
For some reason I felt the urge to post. Those people at Tower Records, especially Tower Online, are rude as hell. When they didnt send me the extra CD single that should have came with one of my orders, I emailed them, and getting no response, I called them. And the prick who answered the phone didnt seem to realize that I was the one paying money for their merchandise, adn his company had screwed up. I havent gotten OIAL yet, just cus I am a poor college girl, and I have a lot more albums I need to buy before I treat myself to a live CD. I don't know if LaBrie is losing his range, but maybe it'd be a nice change. I for one tend to get sick of all the progressive bands having high tenors and nothing else. Tyranny-- I hate it. I want my money back. I love it until the singing starts. To me, the lyrics sound like a 3rd grader trying to make a poem that rhymes and sacraficing substance for that. And damn all these online reconrd stores for running our of Vanden Plas!! If you dont have it you need to get it, and send me a copy while you're at it. adn to Joe, if you think its hard to find a progmetal girlfriend, try finding a guy like that that also likes goth industrial and synth pop, and who can keep up with the mind of an astrophysics major!
Cheers, Amanda, dormbound at UCLA with a roommate that likes to listen to Christian inspirational music.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:18:11 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Quiet Room/ Marillion Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981104160410.17051A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Somebody inquired into the merits of the Quiet Room recently. I purchased their album Introspect (at Tower, stupidly filed under I [WTF!!!]) and it has its positive points. It didn't make me jump up and down excitedly, baying at the moon, but I enjoyed it: the guitarist and vocalist were very talented, nothing overly complicated. I'd give it a 7/10.
Another jammer casually asked about Marillion. I'm surprised Itchy didn't jump all over that question. Marillion and DT don't share a lot in common except being slapped together under the "prog" genre. Needless to say, Marillion is not a metal band, as you undoubtedly discerned from the snippet of AoS that you heard. Depending on which track you heard, nobody could tell you that it was representative of their other albums: they tend to keep a similar overall sound, in terms of melodic concepts and layered textures. On the Marillion mailing list [which sometimes seems as mean-spirited as some of you guys ;)] they are starting to complain about what songs are being included in the live show. Sound familiar? Anyway, like DT, they are difficult to pigeonhole.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
Whatever the price is/ Whatever the crisis/ oh please don't leave me/ to my own devices
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:26:41 -0500 From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Maryland Envirothon (NDTC) Message-ID: <36406421.EDAB4903@softhome.net>
Ytse-story time, for those who care. Whilst at the 1998 Maryland Envirothon (and wearing my Touring Into Infinity t-shirt) with the Washington County team, I met a young lady (on the Prince George's County team, I believe) during the "icebreaker" games who said she was into DT. I didn't get to talk with her much, but she seemed like a cool person. If any of you know whom this might be (or are this young lady), would you please e-mail me at tarkus@softhome.net. If any of you think I'm a lamer and wish to flame me, e-mail me at f_mckinnon@hotmail.com.
Cheers.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:58:52 +0100 From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Super Dream Theater gig Message-ID: <3640C00C.3510@wxs.nl>
In April (or perhaps May) there was a lot of talk on the Ytsejam about a gig that Dream Theater had played, dubbed "Supergig" or something. They played (part of) "One" and a lot more stuff. Please could someone tell me which was the venue, which was the date, and whether or not this has already been recorded and made into a bootleg? I am quite eager to get my hands on this... -- \===-- Richard Karsmakers -- karies@wxs.nl -- ICQ #18645533 --===/ | "ST NEWS" Atari disk magazine - stnews.atari.org | | "World Wide Web Multi Media Magazine" -- www.scriba.org/w3m3 | | "Twilight World" magazine -- www.scriba.org/twilight | | Atari ST Scene Reunion -- www.scriba.org/stniccc2000 | | GWAR FAQ - www.gwar.net/fuq/index.html | | Plantiac Adoration Shrine -- home.wxs.nl/~cronos | | Disk Magazine WebRing -- www.scriba.org/diskmags | /===--- P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands ---===\
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:17:06 +0100 From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Review of 5YiaLT Message-ID: <3640C452.59CE@wxs.nl>
The official release date in Holland might be coming Friday, but the record shop here had it today already...and it was almost sold out, too! I got the last one, and wrote a review as well. Which, in case you're interested, has been put up at http://www.scriba.org/w3m3/trax.htm. Be warned: It's full of spoilers. -- \===-- Richard Karsmakers -- karies@wxs.nl -- ICQ #18645533 --===/ | "ST NEWS" Atari disk magazine - stnews.atari.org | | "World Wide Web Multi Media Magazine" -- www.scriba.org/w3m3 | | "Twilight World" magazine -- www.scriba.org/twilight | | Atari ST Scene Reunion -- www.scriba.org/stniccc2000 | | GWAR FAQ - www.gwar.net/fuq/index.html | | Plantiac Adoration Shrine -- home.wxs.nl/~cronos | | Disk Magazine WebRing -- www.scriba.org/diskmags | /===--- P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands ---===\
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:45:34 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Forming a Ytse-band...... Message-ID: <001201be083c$77419800$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>So I was thinkin'... I know there must be some basists, guitarists, keyboard >players and singers reading this..... Wouldn't it be cool if for instance >one of you guitarists out there recorded a (self made) guitar track and send >it to me so I can add a drumtrack. I then will send it to an Ytse-bassist >(the futher, the better...), which will add his track. He then will send it >to a singer and so forth... Not particulairly in that order tho..... >I thought it would be a great idea... Maybe it works out and the "Ytse-band" >could come together some time...... I hope there are some people (with >access to "good" quality recording possibilities among you.... When it's >finished, we can put it as an MP3 on the net......
That's been discussed several times - a Ytsejam DT Tribute where we all record our tracks at home and send em somewhere. It never got anywhere. I was gonna do guitar for Ytsejam, and my friend Mario (he of the former handle RipZero, whom i doth believe is off the list now) was gonna do guitar for UAGM. Sigh, if only :) Moral of the story: in the real world it's possible, but we're not part of the real world. This is not reality. But then, don't you know that reality is immaterial? Moo.
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