YTSEJAM Digest 4402
Today's Topics:
1) Re: "A Time to Rut" (MoL)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Deicide (definitely NDTC)
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@deskmail.com>
3) Re: Met stuff
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Re: Tourniquet/KX/GC
by schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
5) Me+@||i[@
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
6) Re: Payne's Gray
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
7) Oral pleasure/Aural Pleasure
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
8) Meh-tro-po-LEES
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
9) Re: Progmetal girlfriend
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
10) live cds...
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
11) re: Symphony X and Michael Romeo
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Metallica
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
13) Nobody has the tape??!!!
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
14) BS
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
15) Remove that SOAB....
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
16) Wow... RE: neg SG - Tyranny
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
17) Metallica & Queensryche...
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:37:22 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: "A Time to Rut" (MoL)
Message-ID: <001a01be08eb$593784a0$0201010a@chuck>
>favorites, but similar animals may work. It usually is a matter of
>availability. But as Dr. Laura Bushy would advise, it is wise to find
>an animal that shares your goals, values and religious denomination.
I agree. Eckie's somewhat domesticated, but he's still so stuck on Derek he
won't have anything to do with me. :( And there is no evidence that a
Tarrasque exists in the world. Hell, there's nary a crature about that can
compare to my 10 HD and 138 hp. Having a 25 Constitution really sucks,
because nothing can keep up with me. :(
BTW, notice how personal everyone gets about Metallica? I think it's kind
of funny. Mosh lurks for eons and as soon as the M word is uttered he
creeps forth from his dark hole to spread his poison across the land. I
love it. :)
And my damn 5YiaL is on fucking backorder.
(draws sword, bellows a scathing retort, and looks for a new victim)
-- KorgX3 is out of DTC.------------------------------
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:41:09 -0500 From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@deskmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Deicide (definitely NDTC) Message-ID: <3641F145.4A8B6CD8@deskmail.com>
For Rogerio's benefit, and any other curious people's, Deicide's 1st 3 albums are FAR superior to "Serpents of the Light". The vocals, to me, are the coolest part of the last album, because the guitar sound and production in general is far better on the old stuff. The drumming is real, I've seen it done live. The songs on the 2nd album, "Legion" are far more technically inclined, and just better songs; Serpents is my least favorite album. I'd have to recommend the first album "Deicide" and the 2nd "Legion" (the best one, to me). Hope this helps. By the way as far as barney Greenway and vocal effects...I don't know, I have my doubts though because in the Uncovered show, I thought I heard a little bit of effect, and on their Greed Killing EP they play "Plague Rages" live, and at the end when he says "Thank You" it sounds kind of...funny, almost pitch shifted. Well, whatever. Sorry for the NDTC.
Bobby
By the way anyone who's heard the new My Dying bride and has opinions, or knows why the hell "Heroin Chic" is censored, email me privately, I'm curious as to what you all think.
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:20:39 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Met stuff Message-ID: <199811051920.LAA02773@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Matt Smith thus begged: > >country band." They have pedal steel guitar in one song on Load, and a >B-bender on one song on Reload. What if I were to say Dream Theater was a >Kenny G band because of Another Day? Hmmm... >You're full of shit.
I'm full of shit and your ears are full of dried cum... we're even... next topic...
-The Doc
-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:11:16 -0600 From: schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Tourniquet/KX/GC Message-ID: <19981105.132635.6478.0.schnapster@juno.com>
>anyone got mp3 of the track on HM "mother of all tribute albums" where >tourniquet covers Dogman by King's X? Don't have an mp3 of this, but I will say the album is worth checking out, with this tune (some good low end on it :), former Tourniquet members Guy Ritter and Gary Lenaire's new project Echo Hollow covering U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday, and Doug Pinnick (KX) covering U2's I Will Follow, among some others. Oh, and it also has a cover of 2112 Overture by (I think) Paul Rorabeck (formerly of Grammatrain).
>Oh yeah, the official Tourniquet page says that there will be a new T >album soon, with acoustic stuff and one new track which should be even >heavier than Perfect Night for a Hanging... Very very cool. Can't wait to hear it. Anyone goign to the Galactic Cowboys/King's X show in St. Louis tomorrow (Friday Nov. 6) night? I'm going to do my damndest to be there. Almost decided not to go because of cash reasons (or the lack thereof), but I just read a couple reviews of some shows and they were all good, so I think I mgiht be there.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Me+@||i[@ Message-ID: <199811051944.OAA16881@gl.umbc.edu>
Iswn't it funny that to half the people here it's really OBVIOUS that ReLoad is just a handful of tracks that weren't good enough to make Load and to the other half it's really OBVIOUS how much better ReLoad is than Load.
Opinions are like suckhole: every mailing list has them and the Ytsejam has more than most. :)
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 14:42:15 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Payne's Gray Message-ID: <4.1.19981105134259.00935f10@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Joe D. liked my remarks about Payne's Gray: >This one sounds very intriguing! I heard some RA's on their site which >sounded really cool, but please tell me: how are the vocals? They >didn't sound too good on the site.... but then again, they are crappy >RA's, so who knows?
Well, there *are* a few spots on the disc where they're too much even for me; never more than a few seconds at a time, though. Both vocalists have a very operatic style, very high-pitched in places. "The Cavern of Flame" for example has some glass-shattering highs.
If you like Andre Matos' voice you'll probably get on just fine with Payne's Gray. If you think Matos sounds like a dolphin on helium with its balls being squeezed in a vice, then you probably will have a few bad moments listening to PG.
>As far as Lovecraft goes, the (formerly) mighty Met has done two >Lovecraft-inspired songs "Call of Ktulu" and "The Thing That Should Not >Be".
I was actually making a rhetorical question re: the Lovecraft thing. I'm well aware of the two songs mentioned there. What I meant was "there aren't many bands that do anything based on Lovecraft's stuff and especially not an entire concept album devoted to it".
ta, Phil
================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:18 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Oral pleasure/Aural Pleasure Message-ID: <199811052012.MAA05313@knight.axnet.net>
Joe Satriani absolutely tore me apart last night. But as a result of attending the concert, I missed the premier of Different Stages on the radio.. If anyone out there in Ytseland can make me a copy I'll be more than happy to offer monetary recompense or oral moisturization of the bodily part of your choice. **MINOR SPOILERS FOLLOW - READ AT YOUR OWN PERIL** I'm not overly familiar with his material, as I've been a bad and lazy jammer and never actually purchased anything by Joe, with the exception of my tape of Surfing With the Alien which I got when I was a teenager because the cover looked cool. I have heard most of his stuff though and I can tell you that he played Not of this Earth (or something from that album, if there is no song by this name), Circles, Flying in a Blue Dream, Crystal Planet, Up in the Sky, Summer Song, Satch Boogie, a warp speed version of Ice 9, Always With Me, Always With You, Rubina's Blue Sky Happiness, and a host of other tunes. The show was nearly three hours in duration, with a short acoustic set in the middle. I think one of the tunes he played was called "I Believe." And two encores! One of which featured that cool Raspberry Delta song. Stu Hamm played the funniest bass solo I'll probably ever see. I swear, everyone was laughing through most of it...his jump around antics, the Charlie Brown theme song, "rock star" faces, etc. Well, it was cooler than it reads...trust me :) Satriani needs to get a real drummer instead of a functional one. Although I am somewhat biased on this subject (being a drummer), just look at what Mike Mangini does on Fire Garden. Too bad he didn't have Gregg Bissonnette (are all the consonants in his name doubled except the B?) this time. Jeff Campitelli has good time but no feel, ya know? And, before shutting my trap, for those who are interested, Satch is still bald AND he wore his sunglasses throughout the entire show. -an aural hand
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Meh-tro-po-LEES Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981105145845.9591A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Max questioned the crowd's pronunciation and was given a satisfactory answer by Lord Ecksthrey; however, I must point out that they are probably calling for the French Fuzz to come arrest the band, having suddenly realized the law prohibiting the playing of instruments on or about the subway system.
And in the last issue of National Pornographic Explorer, Brian pointed out the merits of farm animals to the frustrated male. After all most woodland creatures are more apt to try to escape the penetrating looks <pun intended> offered to said. And I was also unaware of Dr. Laura's proclivities in such matters. Food for thought, indeed.
Once again, proud to be a member of the community that criticizes all equally when opportunity presents itself.
P
NP Marillion: "Steve Hogarth's whining" ;) TR: Somewhere/Anywhere? Lennon: Anthology
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
Whatever the price is/ Whatever the crisis/ oh please don't leave me/ to my own devices
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: we be ytsejamming <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Progmetal girlfriend Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981105151426.9591B-100000@gs.bass.org>
Sorry this is a little late and wasn't included in the last post [so sue me]: David Dixon boasted of the things he shares with his Ladyfriend: ><snip>**MORE FRICTION**
*this* may be more than we really needed to know.
>Rachmaninoff and Chopin
damn! it's a good thing they don't sing or there could be *even more* friction.
NP same as last time
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
Whatever the price is/ Whatever the crisis/ oh please don't leave me/ to my own devices
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:32:22 -0500 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: live cds... Message-ID: <36420B56.870D1E49@trw.com>
I was wondering with the new DT, the new Fates, LATM, Savatage's live discs... Doesn't anyone make a live album in front of a US crowd anymore? I mean what's the deal? Its always "live in Japan" or something to that effect.
I'm off to Cancun tomorrow and Holland a week from now so I am wondering how many jams I will have when I return...
Hmmm... I could set up an autoreply vacation option on my mail... hehehheheheh
NP:Shadow Gallery-Tyranny
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:43:47 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Symphony X and Michael Romeo Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.981105143820.25892A@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 FlatYer5s@aol.com wrote:
>=20 > >OK, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, I finally found who Michael Romeo "belongs" to.= I > >heard his solo on the "Working Man" tribute album (the song "Analog Kid"= , > >track 3) and loved it (way better than Lifeson's :) ). >=20 > No no no no.....some people JUST DON'T GET IT!!!!! Listen to Romeo's so= lo > and just ask yourself a few questions: Would he be shredding on this son= g if > Lifeson didn't tear it up originally? Who is he trying to impress? His > metronome? Why didn't he just play some MORE 256th notes instead of actua= lly > trying to phrase a solo musically? It's really is all in the ear of the > listener- ya can't beat personal preference, but some things are just > ridiculous.... =20 >=20
As far as i know, Romeo has always played THAT way. It=B4s his style of=20 approaching the guitar, so, i dont think he tried to impress anyone by=20 playing that solo. That=B4s how he naturally plays. I can hear some nice=20 phrasing too here and there......., but the solo fitted quite good in the= =20 song. What would be the point in copying the original solo note-for-note?= =20 (nobody can anyway....not even Lifeson himself, that=B4s one of the cons of= =20 playing a little dirty). I m not saying that the original solo sucks or=20 anything. That solo shows how Lifeson approaches the guitar. It=B4s his=20 style.
Mauricio
> Dan Chernow=20 > FlatYer5s@aol.com > Guitarist/Instructor > Phoenix AZ >=20 > "You just don't get it/ What it is, well, you're not really sure." Peart >=20
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:35:13 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Metallica Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980907C@messaging>
Well, about the ol' Metallica 'debate', if you want to call it that...
Are you who chant "METALLICA SOLD OUT.." (and I'm not one of them) saying they sold out for Load or the Black Album. If you're saying they sold out for Load, your dead fucking wrong. They didn't sell a FIFTH as many copies of Load compared their S/T (although, shit - 650,000 copies of Load on the release date wasn't so bad). Metallica is not appealing to the masses as much now as with the S/T (which sold in excess of 12,000,000 copies, and is STILL on the Billboard Top 100 list), and why would they risk alienating a huge portion of their fanbase if they weren't ENTIRELY committed to their music? They're not playing like this for the money. On the Black Album tour, they were playing stadiums (50,00+ people). Now their playing much smaller arenas (15-20,000). They're not making as much money as they used to, and they're no longer the talk of the music industry. Personally, I think both Load and ReLoad kick ass, but obviously in a very different way than RTL or AJFA. Think of it this way: if you were playing speed metal for 10 years, you'd probably get sick of it, too. To me "progressive" means, in a way, "open-minded". So, hell, lay off a bit on the "sellout" chants. Nobody who says they sold out at Load has a case. At the Black Album I can see your point, but I sure as hell don't agree....
My Two YtsePennies,
David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:42:51 -0600 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Nobody has the tape??!!! Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C393509@chipola.cc.fl.us>
I can't believe that as many Petrucci freaks that we have on this list, that no one has the instructional tape that came with the Rock and Play unit from Ibanez unit.
Am I to assume that no guitarist on this list has this? Or that no one has gotten a "bootleg" copy of this?
I'm really fascinated that there is some instructional material by Petrucci out there, and no one seems to know about it or have it.
Anybody know where we can find this tape?
Thanks!
The MadTabber vaughnb@chipola.cc.fl.us
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:48:26 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: BS Message-ID: <36421D2A.E94B9986@wavetech.net>
The Doc wrote: >Respect my ass... why should I respect a band that has sold out in the greatest >extreme?
No. Maybe I'll respect your ass after you quit talking out of it. And whether they sold out or not(which I won't debate right now), they're still worth a spin on my stereo.
>I will stand up for all Metallica bashers religiously, so if you want to >keep this thread alive... keep it up...
Religiously? You, my friend, are taking this waaaay too seriously.
>Goddamn right.. they shoulda quit when Burton died... now they're just fucks >looking for a quick dime writing music that deaf donkeys could fart better...
You're saying you write better music?
Though Burton was a badass, I hardly think he was the essence of metallica. I for one am glad they kept going...and are still going. Sacrifice that.
Matt wrote: >What if I were to say Dream Theater was a >Kenny G band because of Another Day? Hmmm... >You're full of shit.
Good point. And whats this shit about a no METALLICA rule? Spittle...all of it!
-Taur
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:46:41 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Remove that SOAB.... Message-ID: <001701be0905$c7addfa0$5d836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
"The Doc" wrote...:
<<<When did living in the Netherlands entitle you to a valid opinion?? BAHAHAH
You wouldn't know country if you were swimming in cow shit.
You don't care? That's too bad... cause I'll continue to bash Metallica till the cows come home :p
-The Doc>>>>>
This a serious question to all 'Jammers..... >>>>Do we want a guy like that on our ML??? Don't think so... He's got no respect for any band, person whatsoever....
Dear Skadz (Ytsejam Moderator)... Is it possible to remove this person from the list??? You must be convinced this is ain't funny anymore.....
Stickmaster D.
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:59:57 -0800 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Wow... RE: neg SG - Tyranny Message-ID: <000001be0907$a0be4e00$9865f7cc@markphil>
Some comments have been....
>Tyranny-- I hate it. I want my money back. I love it until the singing >starts. To me, the lyrics sound like a 3rd grader trying to make a poem >that rhymes and sacraficing substance for that.
>But when the vocals came in, it was obvious. With the >production now first rate, it's obvious that the singer (Mike Baker) >has a block of velveeta stuck in his throat.
>I can't see how anyone can possibly listen to the singing on both CiS and >Tyranny and not laugh at just how silly it is. Unfortunately "silly" is >the only word I can come up with to describe the style of singing.
I'm a little at loss for words. I honestly really can't see this aspect of this band. Granted, Mike Baker is NO James LaBrie, Geoff Tate, Russel Allen, or Andre Matos... There are VERY few people that can complete with this tallent. Personally, I don't especailly like Baker's voice alone but it really fits well when he sings vocal harmonies.
I'm beginning to think that SG is a love-hate kinda band... Which I think is unfortunate because I they are very good. What really stands out about the album is its concept. There hasn't really been a story-like concept like this since Operation:Mindcrime, (but they can't compare, O:M is leagues ahead of TYR). I'm being sung a story, which is very contemparory and interesting, where I can sit back and let my mind wander (take the trip). Additionally, SG is NOT balls & Chunk, and people can't listen to it wanting that.
People who haven't heard SG at all or who think that CiS was decent should get this album. However, those who have already shut their mind to SG, I can't say much...
Give it a try.
Mark Philpot Music Creations http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 14:02:24 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Metallica & Queensryche... Message-ID: <19981105220226.505.qmail@hotmail.com>
So I hear now is the human mating season? Does that explain all the spice on the jam in the last week?
Anyway, I LIKE eternityX, and I really see them as the next step in progmetal - but then I am ignorant on almost ALL other progmetal bands...
And what do you mean Queensryche is due for a letdown? Dream Theater was brilliant since the dat they formed (I still need Majesty 1986), and NOTHING they have done has been a sellout OR a letdown (Oh yeah, I remember... some of you actually didn't LIKE FII! I do NOT understand this... I think it's better than IAW and Awake. There's more to it, and it doesn't sound the same. So sue me).
When I first heard 'Hear In The Now...' I was VERY disappointed. I thought only like 2 songs (You and Reach) sounded like Queensryche. But I listened again and again to lrt it grow on me and all of a sudden I was in love with songs like 'The Voice Inside' and 'Saved' and even 'All I want' (very Floyd/Parsonsey). So while I don't think it's as good as their previous 4 (well, MAYBE as good as Mindcrime... nah not quite) it's still a really good album, and some stuff rocks just the same (Hit The Black).
But does anybody know WHY DeGarmo left? I wonder how QR will sound now... when does the new one come out?
And as for Metallica (Uh-oh!), I like their newer sound (except the drums SUCK), but the songwriting is not nearly as inspired or creative as before. I mean sure, SME songs have it (both Unforgivens), but overall they just should have released the very best from each album as one CD. Now that CD would have rocked (except the drums would still suck).
So I'm a fan of Ride, Puppets, and definetely AJFA, but not Black onward... just too monotonous.
And the only song I know to be a Kiss song is that "Welcome to the show" song. And I like it, but it's the only thing I know fromn them.
And if it helps I also DO NOT LIKE Marylin Manson OR Van Halen (sicko and a bunch of party music crap). But VH does do some good songs... And Aerosmith is boring too, except like enough to fill up 1 CD over they're whole career. I got to give them credit for 'Kings & Queens' though.
Enough of my ramblings...
-maX
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