YTSEJAM Digest 4404
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Death metal
by JamesAhab@aol.com
2) Re: Doc is like a rash...
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
3) IMPORTANT YTSEJAM INFORMATION (READ THIS)
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
4) Re: Corrections and more comments
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
5) Speak to me.
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
6) you know.....
by Thrak75@aol.com
7) Re: Speak to me.
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
8) The mother of all mp3's
by "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
9) Yipe snipe blipe flipe!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
10) New Metallica rulz!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Treasure Land spam :)
by Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind)
12)
by LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
13) Religion and Stick Masters... hehe :)
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
14) Everybody Wang Chung Tonight NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) Long Live the Doc!
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
16) Re: Death metal
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
17) Virgil donati, Scott Henderson, Ricc Fierabracci - Just add
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:18:14 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Death metal
Message-ID: <d4f1e0ef.36428696@aol.com>
>< If you want fast and gutteral....check out early Kataklysm - Temple of
Knowledge....if you make it through the entire album your a true fucking
legend....the sounds like a dog barking!! :) ><
Can't be as bad as the vocals on the early Sepultura album, Morbid Visions.
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:26:28 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Doc is like a rash...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981106052628.010f7120@earthlink.net>
At 06:03 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
Personally I'm findin it hilarious how "The Doc" has managed to get under
your skin with just a few words. People, he's obviously just tryin to piss
you off, and hell with the reaction he got, why not? I am normally not one
to suggest doing anything mean or rude to be anybody but I must admit I got
some perverse entertainment out of this. If you all are so demanding to let
other people have their opinions why are you so demanding that Mosh drop the
"Metallica sucks" attitude? And why are you so demanding that people who say
Metallica sold out are full of shit. FACE IT! We ALL have opinions, and we
ALL want other people to agree with us, that's why arguments get started.
Maybe not necessarily agree with us, but maybe at least our point. You
people are takin this way too seriously, letting "The Doc" have a good laugh
at your expense, and then turning around and demonizing him for something
you're doing yourselves. Maybe he's not very eloquent, but how about when he
says "you're full of shit" LAUGH and tell him right back at ya (like that
famous scene in Patton). There probly wasn't too much malice in his
statement anyway.=20
To sum it up, since I am rambling, all of you who replied were interested in
arguing. All of you who were interested in arguing were interested in
refuting. Which means that you want to refute "The Doc's" argument that
Metallica sucks ass. Which means that you want him to agree with you (or at
least see your point) just as much as he wants to shove a bastard sword up
Metallica's 40 year old asses. Lighten up and don't be so fuckin
hyppocritical!! THank you.=20
PS. I LIKE to argue. I could argue that Metallica sucks (imo) all day, as
long as there's someone who disagrees, and ENJOY IT.=20
BrAd PlUmB
Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in
Houston and you like anime check us out! =20
Homepage Address: http://home.earthlink.net/~palpatine=20
NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/
"Can't you hear the screaming? The horrible screaming that men call
silence?" -Werner Hertzog, Das R=E4tzel von Kaspar Hauser
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New=
Hope
"High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but
they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse=20
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:31:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: IMPORTANT YTSEJAM INFORMATION (READ THIS)
Message-ID: <13890.35232.608500.368903@optical.mindstorm.com>
NO METALLICA DISCUSSIONS ON THIS LIST, QUIT IT, STOP, CEASE, ETC.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?????????????????
And yes, I do plan on going back through the last few jams and sending
out some warnings.
In a semi-recent post (which is also in the initial welcome message
that EVERYONE who has subscribed since then gets), I wrote:
Things that will get you warned and subsequently thrown off INCLUDE
(but are not limited to):
1. Starting or Continuing "Threads From Hell", these include things
like:
a. Kevin vs. Derek
b. James Sucks
c. How to spell things (more on this later)
d. God / Religion
e. People's Sexuality
f. NIN, Blind Melon, etc (long stories ;)
g. Metallica Sold Out
h. Dream Theater Sold Out
i. etc etc etc
etc.
Skadz
One Pissed Off Moderator
-- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning------------------------------
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:52:45 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Corrections and more comments Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981106055245.0111e384@earthlink.net>
At 09:39 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote: > >At 06:03 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Personally I'm findin it hilarious how "The Doc" has managed to get under >your skin with just a few words. People, he's obviously just tryin to piss >you off, and hell with the reaction he got, why not? I am normally not one >to suggest doing anything mean or rude to be anybody but I must admit I got >some perverse entertainment out of this.
Excuse me. that should read I am normally not one to suggest doing anything mean or rude to anyone. Big difference. My apologies.
Also someone made the statement that expecting more out of a band is the biggest compliment you can gave them, I agree completely. The reason I did not like Falling Into INfinity, though there are a few great songs, is because when I listen to songs like You Not Me I KNOW they can do better. Yes, bands change style, but as far as Metallica goes, there's a difference between changing styles to further challenge yourself (ala Rush) and doing everything in your power to change your image and sound. Cutting their hair, toning down their music, doing everything they can to throw away the image that they used to be PROUD of, and the image they choose to replace it with (the alternarock MTV image) also happens to be the highest selling musical genre at this time. I would say that this change is strange, if not a blatant sell out. Regardless of this, Metallica is NOT challenging themselves, they've gotten monotonous, boring, and dry, in my opinion. Also, as far as them making less money, just because the attempt to change didn't work, does not mean they didn't sell out. Perhaps people saw through their attempts. Oh well, sell outs or not, I've found better bands, and you certainly won't find Load or Reload in my cd collection.
I leave you with these words:
"One would like to believe in the freedom of music. But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity." -Neil Peart, Rush, "Spirit of Radio"
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:58:33 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Speak to me. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981106055833.010f2a28@earthlink.net>
Ok I finally gave a listen to an mp3 of Speak to Me (yah so sue me for not being up to date). ummm is this a cover of a Cure song? It really sounds like the Cure and I could've swore they had a song by that name. Just curious.=20
BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! =20 Homepage Address: http://home.earthlink.net/~palpatine=20 NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Can't you hear the screaming? The horrible screaming that men call silence?" -Werner Hertzog, Das R=E4tzel von Kaspar Hauser "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New= Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse=20
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:50:29 EST From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: you know..... Message-ID: <5b8574aa.36429c35@aol.com>
you disappear from me for almost a year, tease me for a tiny bit, and all of a sudden you're gone again. hmph. *pout*
i'm assuming you're having as much of a ball with 3rd year as i'm having with 2nd year. and i'm assuming that's what keeps you busy.
just thought i'd drop a quick note to say hey, and see how life was treating you. i'm a little better than miserable, but not quite cheery. i guess it sucks that i don't like most of my classes. but oh well. such are the pleasantries of life.
write back when you get a chance, and i'll talk to you soon. always, david
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school thrak75@aol.com http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba (updated 11/1/98)
"and when the hour comes, don't be afraid- face the light of day and do it your way...." -g. lake ************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:34:29 -0800 From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Speak to me. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981105233424.009f190c@pop3.concentric.net>
Brad "Palpatine" Plumb asked:
> Ok I finally gave a listen to an mp3 of Speak to Me (yah so sue me >for not being up to date). ummm is this a cover of a Cure song? It really >sounds like the Cure and I could've swore they had a song by that name. Just >curious.=20
Thank you. I've always thought it had a certian The Cure flavor to it, which I like. And no, it's not a cover. You might be thinking of "Speak My Language" or "Close To Me", by The Cure.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:42:53 -0600 From: "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The mother of all mp3's Message-ID: <001801be0959$10ac01c0$6f252e9c@trevin.ticon.net>
For all you freaks that've never heard the pre-EP version of ACOS, go to:
http://dreamtheater.ml.org/acos93.mp3 (19.3MB in 128kbps/44kHz stereo)
Enjoy!!
Trevin
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:05:14 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Yipe snipe blipe flipe! Message-ID: <19981106080515.22348.qmail@hotmail.com>
Looeee: "Now James, try to anunciate...repeat after me: 'If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year...'" JLB: "YYAAAAAAHHHWWAAAAAAAHEEEEEEEEEAAAAAG WAAAAAAHH -- - - yyyYYYYYEEEEAAAAAGGGGGHHHH" Looeee:"GODDAMIT NO! TRY IT AGAIN!" JLB:"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH" Looeee: "Where'd I put that sock full of quarters..." JLB:"argl fargl wargle argle eeee-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" Looeee: "BAD FUCKING CANADIAN! BAD, BAD, BAD CANADIAN! NO MOOSEHEAD!" JLB: "Aw shit, eh."
HAHAHA!!! I have always wondered why he sings with his tongue sticking out like that. It's NOT the production (whoever asked that), he just lets it all hang out up there.
I don't want this to sound like a flame at James, he rocks. But this IS pretty annoying. You play DT to people who don't have a clue about music, and all they say is "cool music, but WTF is that muffled high-ass crap?"
Well I love the high-ass crap, I just wish the words were a part of the music. It's like it doesn't matter what the words are...
Then Matt Smith said:
>>>Look, Mosh, the reason many people don't respect your opinion is your,"I don't like it, so it sucks" attitude. I'm of the opinion that Reload is the best Metallica album of the 90s, so I'm smoking martian weed. OK, whatever. There are a lot of bands I think really suck but I don't constantly tell their fans how stupid they are.<<<
Well, personally, I like the new sound, but I don't think they're 90s stuff is as inspired, and I don't feel like I have to kiss their ass just because they influenced DT. I don't like it so it suX.
And this is NOT a Metallica mailing list. If somebody were to say that they think Queensryche suX, it would annoy me, but this IS a Dream Theater list, last tine I checked. And Metallica is not even prog (well, maybe they USED to be, a little). He never said FII suX (as some have gotten pretty close to saying...)
Just my thoughts...
-maX
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 01:57:01 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New Metallica rulz! Message-ID: <3642495D.191011E2@mol.com.mk>
OK, time for justice for all! ;)
First, how can someone say about a band like Metallica that they sold out? They exist for quite a bit, survived few tests of time, and now, when they want to make some change you jump on them! Lemme ask you: Do they lack money to sellout NOW? Why would they do that? They're popular enough to lead, in a way, their direction, and the companies will follow them with slimy mouths, for the money Metallica brings them.
Same folks bash DT for the "commercial" FII!
I bet you also don't like Skid Row change huh? I happen to ADORE Subhuman Race album and find it the freshest move Skid Row could make!
I heard that Bruce Dickinson left Maiden because the other's guys main concern in composing was "We MUST keep our good ol' Maiden sound". That way they limit themselves . Now this sounds nearer to selling out! "We got money as metal kings so far, so let's just keep it that way and don't change a thing!"
More or less, heavy metal of that type is dead, IMHO! (Oh no, what did I start here)
BTW, I like Iron Maiden and some Metallica stuff!
> From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> > > I'm of the opinion that Reload is the best > Metallica album of the 90s, so I'm smoking martian weed.
Agreed totally! There's much diversity on Load/Reload sound and it sounds like a great change. And it is still the Metallica sound behind it.
> One day you just may learn that different opinions > help make the world go round.
:))))
The simple me, CyberDuke
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:04:05 +0100 From: Magnus.Lind@kunskapskretsen.se (Magnus Lind) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Treasure Land spam :) Message-ID: <msg1058.thr-5424be6d.a2c2a@kunskapskretsen.se>
Hi people!
Hope youy are all fine on the list. We have updated the Treasure Land homepage with news,interviews,reviews.............
And some DT.I bought the live album a few days ago and my opinion are that it is a really good LIVE album. They have conquered the ghost of overdubbing (ala B.Sabbath-Live Evil) Conclusion: One of the best live recordings in music history!
Okey take care //Mangan
The Treasure Land Homepage: http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-48707 My home mail: treasure.land@telia.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:16:46 +0000 From: LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981106091646.00690bb4@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hey fuckers,
A late thank you goes to Skadz for banning me from irc.dreamt.org back in May. You are a great guy.
Another thank you goes to Itchy for subscribing me to a bunch of mailing lists and flooding me with spam mail. Don't do it again dude.
All the ones who call me a stalker and spread rumours about me can go to hell. You better pray you'll never meet me.
To Lisa: I miss you.
Don't worry... I won't post again.
LoneWolf is dead. The spirit lives on.
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:25:23 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Religion and Stick Masters... hehe :) Message-ID: <19981106082524.16365.qmail@hotmail.com>
Kyle McCabe said:
>>I will stand up for all Metallica bashers religiously, so if you >>want tokeep this thread alive... keep it up... > >Religiously? You, my friend, are taking this waaaay too seriously. > >>Goddamn right.. they shoulda quit when Burton died... now they're
I think this is too coincidental. :)
>>justfucks >>looking for a quick dime writing music that deaf donkeys could >>fartbetter... > >You're saying you write better music?
Well, why not? I sure can... probably half the jam can.
"The Doc" wrote...: >>You don't care? That's too bad... cause I'll continue to bash >>Metallica till the cows come home :p- The Doc>>>>> > > >This a serious question to all 'Jammers..... >Do we want a guy like that on our ML???
Yes, of course. He has just as much right to Spread The Disease as any other person. Besides, this is NOT a Metallica list! It's a Dream Theater list.
>Dear Skadz (Ytsejam Moderator)... Is it possible to remove this >person from the list??? You must be convinced this is ain't funny >anymore..... > >Stickmaster D.
Well I do NOT mean this as a flame... It's just with all the sexual talk on the jam, I just now thought about that name. Stick Master... HAHAHA!!!
Sorry to offend, or do you MEAN it that way?
-maX
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:45:36 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Everybody Wang Chung Tonight NDTC Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E7B6@ms.kallback.com>
> >Speaking of drum machines, I went to Wang Chung tonight > Wang Chung are still around?! I didn't even know they were touring! > Nicholas Giannotti I don't know if they are touring, per se. They said they just flew in from London the day before and it was their first gig in about a year. This club in Seattle somehow gets old bands to play there like Berlin, Missing Persons, Dead or Alive, Flock of Seagulls, and even Rick Springfield. Old metal too, like Bang Tango, Quiet Riot and Cinderella. Anyway, WC was just the two guys, two guitars and a DAT machine for the rest of the band. There played all their hits, two covers and one new song. Also they did two different versions each of Dance Hall Days and Everybody Have Fun Tonight.
Totally 80's, Trevor
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:55:50 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Long Live the Doc! Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E7B7@ms.kallback.com>
Doc is just pissed because he hasn't gotten his weekly crack shipment from Korg. In real life he's cooler than an Otter Pop.
-Trevor
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 03:56:17 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Death metal Message-ID: <01ac01be0963$50df0d00$3a1110ac@viper.clemson.edu>
> This song is one of the fastest Metallica has ever played. And >James sounds so pissed. The song is about a child that has grown tired of >having his freedom limited by his parents. BTW, this whole album (AJFA) >has a very dark feel, since its first song, "Blackened". Recommended, if >you don't know it.
blackened is actually quite progressive, i realized. has to be one of my fave metallica songs. i love that part at the end where everyone plays the same riff but then lars does a pattern in what is it, 15/8 or sumfin so that on each repeat the drums are lined up differently with the guitars, including that one where the downbeat on the drums is on the upbeat of the guitars, anyways, it's just cool. sounds like something everyone's favorite drummer (shut up! it's MP! no! no different opinions! only mine!) would do :) Moo.
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:59:47 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Virgil donati, Scott Henderson, Ricc Fierabracci - Just add Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981106115947.0097dd60@trade.hamkk.fi>
does anyone on the list have this CD? is it any good?
op777 - this week I've been mainly posting one-liners (for fast show freaks :)
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