YTSEJAM Digest 4409
Today's Topics:
1) Re: James' Voice and 5YiaL
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
2) OIAL - other songs?
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
3) Re: This suX...
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
4) Satriani's drummers...
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
5) Bissonette, OiaLT, and Bafu Vai, oh my!
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>
6) Re: This suX...
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
7) Opinions - on the Jam??
by IceQD@aol.com
8) Re: Not THAT bored...
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
9) Prog Rock Girlfriend
by IceQD@aol.com
10) Re: here the dream endeth
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
11) Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
12) Re: Hill of the Skull
by drnewb@spiff.net
13) Album reviews
by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
14) Re: SLAMM review on OIAL
by Tommer <tommer@execpc.com>
15) Drumming Dr. Laura into Kevin Moore's rubbers
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Detroit Satriani concertgoers???
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4407
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
18) Re: James' Voice and 5YiaL
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
19) Prog-GF / KorgX3 / H.P. Lovecraft-Satch
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:14:01 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: James' Voice and 5YiaL
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811081111350.27-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK wrote:
> On another point, did i read right a coupla jams ago that 5YiaL would not
> be released on PAL format................
Hmmm, i don't think so. Here in Belgium, the video is widely available. I
still don't have it though, but it seems rather odd that they'd release
5yial in the UK and on the continent in a format that no-one is able to
play on their video... I don't think you (or me) (:-)) have to worry...
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:52:01 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Majesty <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: OIAL - other songs?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811081147540.27-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Just a quick (or rather: two quick) OIAL question(s):
1. I was wondering if there are any french jammers who attended the june
25 concert in paris... What did they think of the show, and of the final
album??
2. It seems that DT played about for about 210 mins that evening, of which
only 153 mins made onto the album... What other songs did they play (i.e.
what can we blame DT for not putting on the album?)
Zaphod
NP:
DT - OIAL
Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 07:50:14 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: This suX...
Message-ID: <36459386.37060FFC@caribe.net>
JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> >< You know what really sucks and is REALLY starting to piss me off? Why the
> Hell do all the fucking Japanese releases have extra bonus tracks on them? Why
> are THEY so great, and I guess we all just suck ass, right!? I don't know how
> to get these releases, but I DO know they're VERY expensive. Dt and now
> ChromaKey.
>
> Maybe it's just 'cuz we get them first, and they have 2 wait? Still, this
> blows. I am not happy.
>
> Maybe I'm being a jerk. ><
>
> The blame the county we live in. There are too many idiots in the states.
> There's more of a fan base and more of a demand for DT and other good bands in
> Europe. Thats why they get all the good stuff
I think MP once adressed this issue, and said that the cost of the normal japanese
release over in Japan, would cost way more than if they simply ordered an import
american album, so to encourage them to buy the japanese release, they throw in
bonus discs, tracks, locks of JP's hair,...whatever...
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:58:17 +0100
From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Satriani's drummers...
Message-ID: <002501be0b0f$254d7200$04876dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Hey there Jamheads....
I just wanted to mention that you should really understand that Satriani and
his band are really all about guitar playing...... People that buy his
records and visit his concerts are mostly guitarists..... Joe just wants a
drummer that gives him the space to go bananas. If a drummer would also play
very "virtuoso-ish", it would be chaos.... If you want to see a band which
is all about drumming, don't go see Satriani... Go see Dave Weckl or Simon
Phillips....
Stickmaster D.
Currently in my car set:
- Platypus - When Pus ComesTo Shove
- Simon Phillips - Another Lifetime
- Laberinto - Priority
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:07:48 -0600
From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Bissonette, OiaLT, and Bafu Vai, oh my!
Message-ID: <3645A5B4.DF2DAC0F@geocities.com>
Well, after 2 (count 'em -- 2!) hours of sleep, Kirby's gonna post.
Everyone hide!
"Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> wrote:
>Listen to how GB plays slightly on top of the beat giving the tune
>that sort of driving quality it has. His fills are all really loose
>(and definitely not chops-y) and he doesn't "get in the way" of
>that bass groove or Steve Vai's guitar part at all.
How nice to see Gregg Bissonette's name on the 'jam. No, he's not an
intricate drummer like Portnoy, nor is he as versatile as Peart, but he
was my first introduction to "shifting the beat" in a song and also
double bass. Not like I actually played trap set much after I saw his
clinic back in '90, but... Oops! Am I dating myself? ;)
But he's got a very basic technique to which he takes a few measures of
a song and "shifts" the downbeat ahead or behind one 16th note to give
it an offbeat feel. To understand what I'm talking about, go get his
instructional video at your local music store.
On OiaLT:
I know I'm late, but I really like the music. Yeah, James is a bit off
in some of the songs, but after being rasied on B*hr boots, I thought
the sound quality was excellent for a live show. But I have a
question. Does anyone notice anything missing in the solos? For
example, JP doesn't play the piece of the Sinatra song "My Way," and
Portnoy doesn't play his solo with audience members like he did in the
US. I get the impression that *maybe* these sections were cut from the
cd, and I wonder if "My Way" didn't make the final cut because of
problems obtaining rights. Remember, that's all my speculation. Can
anyone shed some light on this?
To Bafu:
16) A Brief Word On Dr. Mosh
by Uroborosss@aol.com
"That wash shome funny schtuff!" You and Eckie are what keep me on this
list. :) Oh, yeah, you too, Skadz! ;) Time for bed.
-Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters
ytsekirby@geocities.com
URL: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
Kirby on irc.dreamt.org 2112
"Once I reached for love and now I reach for life."
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:20:24 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: This suX...
Message-ID: <002c01be0b2b$4fe109c0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>The blame the county we live in. There are too many idiots in the states.
>There's more of a fan base and more of a demand for DT and other good bands
in
>Europe. Thats why they get all the good stuff
not quite. i believe this is in the FAQ. due to conversion rates and all, in
japan it's actually cheaper to buy import cds from the US than local
japanese versions, so to inspire a little patriotic purchasing, they stick
extra tracks on the japanese versions. moo.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:21:07 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Opinions - on the Jam??
Message-ID: <5b8b508a.3645b6e3@aol.com>
During the short time I have been on the jam I certainly haven't seen much
tolerance of other people's opinions.
I HAVE seen a lot of bitching however. Is this the way most Dream Theater
fans behave towards each other or is it meant to be 'tongue in cheek'? Just
wondering. Please could someone let me know?
IF you are all SERIOUS then you are not very nice people are you?
IF this is the case, how could such a brilliant band have such HORRIBLE fans?
Presumably IF this is true then it is no wonder that Mike Portnoy only sends
to the list occasionally. So if there are any other band members subscribed,
they would be under aliases I suppose, to protect themselves.
Does anyone else have any OPINIONS on this matter?
Ice Queen
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:22:17 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Not THAT bored...
Message-ID: <003501be0b2b$923504c0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
> Someone mentioned Satch having a song with a Lovecraft title? I'm curious
>to know which this is (Hill of the Skull?). I know he has a Vonnegut
>reference (Ice Nine), as well as the old Fisher Price one, but the
>Lovecraft escapes me...
might it be that old one, I Am Become Death? sounds like that kind of title
:) Moo.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:41:54 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Prog Rock Girlfriend
Message-ID: <524ccde4.3645e5f2@aol.com>
Chris Groves.
cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
wrote:
"Shortly after my lovely boast on the 'jam regaring my girlfriend's musical
preferences, she calls it a day on our relationship."
Aah, how SAD. He found the purrfect woman and she dumped him ....
Well they do say 'pride goeth before a fall'.
Perhaps she found someone who could do the handiwork FOR her instead of having
to do it herself?
;-p
Ice Queen
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:07:16 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: here the dream endeth
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811081701580.23656-100000@jaca>
On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Chris Groves wrote:
> Well, another prog-girlfriend is let loose to your carnivores.
> Shortly after my lovely boast on the 'jam regaring my girlfriend's musical
> preferences, she calls it a day on our relationship. Now you can all sleep
> again.
> /me is devastated, and not just coz his girlfriend liked Mr. Bungle!
Don't feel that way, man. You're not alone in this boat. I've met
the perfect girl two or three weeks ago, she likes Black Sabbath, old
Metallica and other very heavy stuff, she's beautiful, she's very
intelligent, and most importantly, she's very cool -- moral of story:
she's the perfect girl (in my eyes at least), but she doesn't even care
about me. And I'm here trying to study, but everything that comes to my
mind is her beautiful face... :-( And the project is due this next Friday.
:-(
Perhaps I'm waaaay too ugly, way too boring, way too stupid, way
too ignorant... :-(
GAAAAAHH!!!!
Yours lonely, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 21:17:32 +0100 From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19981108211732.2c3f18c6@pop.gmx.net>
Hi, Could someone point me to sound clips from and reviews of Ayreon's new album? Or just send me your opinion... any other recommendations for someone eager to spend a little money at the Laser's Edge are welcome. Thanks, Totikus
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:04:13 -0600 From: drnewb@spiff.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Hill of the Skull Message-ID: <199811082009.MAA03721@knight.axnet.net>
> Someone mentioned Satch having a song with a Lovecraft title? I'm curious > to know which this is (Hill of the Skull?). I'm note real sure about where Satch got th eidea for this song, but I know that the place where the Crucifixion took place, Golgotha, is translated as "The Hill of the Skull."
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:19:04 -0600 (CST) From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Album reviews Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.981108141723.75984A-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>
After seeing that bad review from SLAMM and a very good one in Metal Edge about OiaL, I was curious as to what was written about Seasons. Does anyone have any idea?
-Derek
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 14:38:35 -0600 From: Tommer <tommer@execpc.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: SLAMM review on OIAL Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981108143835.0068cccc@mail.execpc.com>
At 01:36 AM 11/8/98 -0800, YtseJamJMB@aol.com wrote: <el snippo>
>How could someone say this about Dream Theater??? What kind of Crack was he smoking???
</el snippo>
Well...people ARE entitled to their opinions...even if their opinions totally suck ass! huh huh
Besides, nobody's perfect..heh. I happen to think OIAL rools...I just can't wait to hear Rush's "Different Stages - Live".
Oh, and hi MattyMo...sup dooda?! huh huh
That is all, -Tom
mailto:tommer@execpc.com
ICQ# 15240956
"I can learn to resist...anything but temptation..." -- Neil Peart, 1996
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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:14:43 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Drumming Dr. Laura into Kevin Moore's rubbers Message-ID: <006201bcec26$c46cac60$400d84d0@korgx3>
>screw the music, but only to add swing to it. drummers who "dare"to play >simple are always underrated. don't get me wrong, i love MP's style, i
Agreed. There are many drummers who play simple like that who don't get any credit because they don't just go off and tear it up. Two of such off of the top of my head are Michael Sturgis and Charlie Adams. Great, great "feel" drummers who can add the coolest most simple fills at just the right moments and trigger an eargasm. FYI, Sturgis (ex-21 Guns) currently plays for Asia, and Charlie Adams (ex-Yanni) is now off making his own albums last I heard.
As long as they're (not their, damn homonyms) not programmed drums, I'm not one to complain, unless the author had no other choice and didn't make them all "dancy." :)
> Perhaps I'm waaaay too ugly, way too boring, way too stupid, way >too ignorant... :-(
Dr. Laura Korg plugs: You're likely just too closely matched. I see it all the time. Having too many common interests with a person you've taken (probably) a mostly physical interest in doesn't work out too well. Part of the relationship stage is introduction to new ideas. If two people share too many, then there is nothing new to start the relationship with and it is not intellectually stimulating. I suppose that's why my friend is marrying a classical/opera girl. She gets him listening to Kismet, and he gets her listening to Bruce Dickinson. :) Don't put yourself down. I wouldn't date you either. Doh! :) It could also be a personality conflict. You may be a tech-minded person while she may be a lesbian crackwhore. Hmmm... Nevermind.
>Aah, how SAD. He found the purrfect woman and she dumped him .... >Well they do say 'pride goeth before a fall'.
Notice this is the same sympathizer who was decrying our sensitivity towards others on the jam nary 10 messages back, wot? :P
Anyway, if anyone has access to a good source copy of Kevin Moores demoes, "Music Meant to Be Heard" and is willing to burn a copy onto CD, would you let me know? :) My tape's all worn out so bad that even Spin Doctor isn't helping very much. Thanks! -- KorgX3 is wearing a raincoat. Don't ask.
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:26:46 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>, Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>, Subject: Detroit Satriani concertgoers??? Message-ID: <36460C96.EC97F424@home.com>
OK. Once again, I'm having trouble finding concertgoers here in Detroit. Plans fell through with two of my friends to go to the Joe Satriani show at the State Theater here. I was going to skip the show :-( , but now I've heard that Satch is going to play a THREE HOUR SET, with no opening act. Now I'm really peeved to be missing this. I havent' actually gotten tickets yet (I was holding off until I knew someone was going with me), but they're still available the last time I checked (the other day).
SO.... if any of you local Detroit-area jammers are interested in going to see this show, please EMAIL ME, ASAP!
p.s. I should be able to arrange to pick you up, or whatever.
Thanks,
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
************************************************************************** Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying 'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare Reveal the word when you're supposed to" - Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) **************************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:37:43 -0000 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4407 Message-ID: <000301be0b49$0c6de780$1fb259c3@simon-s-pc>
Some People wrote:
>>Satch is a tyrant in the studio, I saw The Extremist video and >>he was a bastard. The musicians he had were Manu Katche' >>on drums and Nathan East on bass. > >I can't see how Satch could have been a bastard to Manu and Nathan when he >didn't even WORK with them until three years after the Extremist album was >made. (Was it maybe Simon Phillips and Doug Wimbish?) >
Satch worked with Nathan East and Manu Katche on the Joe Satriani Album but on The Extremist it was Matt and Greg Bissonette the brothers I remember this from the Satch Tapes Video and I've just read the Extremists inlay card to check
Simon Christie
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:33:44 -0000 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: James' Voice and 5YiaL Message-ID: <000201be0b49$0bb545e0$1fb259c3@simon-s-pc>
Zaphod wrote before downing a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster:
Hmmm, i don't think so. Here in Belgium, the video is widely available. I still don't have it though, but it seems rather odd that they'd release 5yial in the UK and on the continent in a format that no-one is able to play on their video... I don't think you (or me) (:-)) have to worry...
The annoying thing is although the international PAL release has occured it still hasn't made it to the UK.
I'm getting really pissed off
Simon Christie
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 17:00:02 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Prog-GF / KorgX3 / H.P. Lovecraft-Satch Message-ID: <36461462.34B4FD90@home.com>
Chris Groves wrote: > Well, another prog-girlfriend is let loose to your carnivores. > Shortly after my lovely boast on the 'jam regaring my girlfriend's musical > preferences, she calls it a day on our relationship. Now you can all sleep > again. > /me is devastated, and not just coz his girlfriend liked Mr. Bungle!
All kidding aside Chris, I'm sorry to hear about that. ---
Korg X3 wrote: > The following is an intellectual insight into the mind of the author. It's > contents may not be suitable for young audiences. Parental discretion is > advised. > > Fear not, it's just the way the music world works these days. Well, pretty > much the way the whole world works these days. We live in a world of sleep. -------SNIP----------- > We must teach everyone to fight against it. The enemy is > simply within our minds. It is difficult to fight, yet simple to defeat. > If you wish to hear from me again, decode the following message and we will > rendezvous... > The attic in Charlie's mansion has curtains hanging before the Thursdays > between the moon.
Korg, that was fucking beautiful. Seriously. ---
> Someone mentioned Satch having a song with a Lovecraft title?
Yep. Dat was me.
>I'm curious > to know which this is (Hill of the Skull?).
No, but good guess. It's "Dweller on the Threshold" from Time Machine.
--
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
************************************************************************** Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying 'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare Reveal the word when you're supposed to" - Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) **************************************************************************
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