YTSEJAM Digest 4410
Today's Topics:
1) Symphathizer? I just drink Tizer;-)
by IceQD@aol.com
2) Re: This suX...
by JamesAhab@aol.com
3) Satch's drums
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
4) the buzzing of that newbie bee!!! - (take anything and
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
5) Joe, Joe, and more Joe...
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
6) Re: Joe, Joe, and more Joe...
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
7) Help, help! I'm being repressed!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) WTF?!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) Re: PMU on radio
by Ibanez506@aol.com
10) Re: Not THAT bored...
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
11) Re: My post about Satriani
by Ibanez506@aol.com
12) Re: Dr. Mosh's shipment just arrived!!!
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
13) These boots were meant to walk
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
14) Scarred (live) MP3
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
15) I'll join your cult!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
16) CDs for sale/trade
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
17) Re: Ytsejam Digest 4409
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:32:11 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Symphathizer? I just drink Tizer;-)
Message-ID: <5eb75748.36461beb@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/8/98 10:00:51PM, you write:
>>Aah, how SAD. He found the purrfect woman and she dumped him ....
>>Well they do say 'pride goeth before a fall'.
>
>Notice this is the same sympathizer who was decrying our sensitivity towards
>others on the jam nary 10 messages back, wot? :P
>
Said Korg.
Hmm, so am I to suppose that you are Tongue in Cheek then, Mr Korg, but
perhaps some of the others are NOT?
Not being a 'sympathizer' myself, but my comment about the lady WAS Tongue in
Cheek ;-) Or should that be finger somewhere else?
Ice Queen
(But you should ask yourself, am I male or female?)
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:56:14 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: This suX...
Message-ID: <81d0b9e.36462f9e@aol.com>
>< > >< You know what really sucks and is REALLY starting to piss me off?
Why the
> Hell do all the fucking Japanese releases have extra bonus tracks on them?
Why
> are THEY so great, and I guess we all just suck ass, right!? I don't know
how
> to get these releases, but I DO know they're VERY expensive. Dt and now
> ChromaKey.
>
> Maybe it's just 'cuz we get them first, and they have 2 wait? Still, this
> blows. I am not happy.
>
> Maybe I'm being a jerk. ><
>
> The blame the county we live in. There are too many idiots in the states.
> There's more of a fan base and more of a demand for DT and other good bands
in
> Europe. Thats why they get all the good stuff
I think MP once adressed this issue, and said that the cost of the normal
japanese
release over in Japan, would cost way more than if they simply ordered an
import
american album, so to encourage them to buy the japanese release, they throw
in
bonus discs, tracks, locks of JP's hair,...whatever... ><
Japan gets the bonus tracks for a reason, but I guess I just meant the entire
eastern hemisphere gets more DT, especially as far as the special gigs go.
Live In Japan, LATMarquee, awake PPV, unplugged, uncovered, the double set,
etc, because they have more fans over there
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:23:32 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Satch's drums
Message-ID: <3645A964.39A7A317@mol.com.mk>
> From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
>
> Jeff can rip it up, but he NEVER does, except in the last
> two measures of songs (and these aren't on ANY of the recordings!),
I'm starting to doubt in this guy considering Satch music! :) And I
don't know him from other place.
> but he's usually just way too restrained for Satch's music.
Maybe Satch tells them: "Guys, I know you're all great musicians, but I
AM THE STAR HERE, so you better calm down and lemme show the world how
good I am on this geetar!" ;)
> Crystal Planet would be a great album, but the
> drumming on it is really dry,
That's exactly what I hate in CP. Too anoing rhtyhm section. While Satch
might do an awesome guitar job, after 3 minutes you can't stand that
bum-bap, bum-bap drum anymore! It doesn't even goes bum-bap,
bum-bum-bap! :)
It's so simple that it almost looks like they want it to sound that
simlpe! Which I found weird.
> I'm used to MP
Not necesarilly MP kinda drumming but anymore, "more feel" as someone
said.
> I love Mangini, Deen Castronovo, and all of
> Steve Vai's other drummers
Does Mangini plays also on the studio Fire Garden album? I'm lazy to go
get the CD myself! ;)
I know Greg plays on Cryin' Machine!
But I don'rt think he plays on other Vai albums.
> and wish Joe would get a drummer that suited
> his style (NO MORE EXCLUSIVE HI-HAT/SNARE/KICK).
> Bissonnette did a much better job on "Time Machine"'s live disc...
Amen! ;) His job on "Satch Boogie" is AWESOME!!
> From: MTeiper@aol.com
>
> seems that the mighty Metallica debate has reared its
> ugly head again.
Woohoo! "Living Colour" fan? ;) Yeah!
> From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com
>
> Pssssst, This is a secret. Spread this around to everyone except
> for John Glenn:
> When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape
> suits... pass it on.
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa!
This is hillarious! :)))
Gotta love human's fantasy! ;)
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Later, CyberDuke
Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/
E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk
ICQ# 17392722
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 19:44:14 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: the buzzing of that newbie bee!!! - (take anything and
Message-ID: <199811090041.TAA21402@maila.wm.edu>
>During the short time I have been on the jam I certainly haven't seen
>much tolerance of other people's opinions.
>I HAVE seen a lot of bitching however.
Keyword: short time. Things look pretty fucked up after a short time.
They turn out to be much more fucked up and interesting after more time. :)
Things aren't always what they seem, and while we all generally practice
intolerance towards each other most of the time and get a great kick out of
bitching about things left and right, you should realize that 1200 people
DON'T ALL AGREE, and plus, it makes for more interesting reading. :) If
you want some gratuitous lovin' this may not be the forum...
>IF this is the case, how could such a brilliant band have such >HORRIBLE
fans?
Yo, what bee got caught in your bonnet?
>Does anyone else have any OPINIONS on this matter?
Absolutely. Around here, everyone has opinions about everything,
including but not necessarily limited to what color underwear the guys were
wearing during recording XYZ which equiment sucks ass and which songs must
be personally played for them at which shows... *I* happen to think that if
you let all the squabbling on here get to you, it's your loss.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:52:48 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Joe, Joe, and more Joe...
Message-ID: <19981109005609.KHYS10634@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
In the same post came these two lines:
>Joe just wants a drummer that gives him the space to go bananas
Then:
> Go see Dave Weckl or Simon Phillips....
Um... Simon Phillips played with Joe for a period of time, so that would
directly refute your own point. Also, I don't think many people regard
Gregg Bissonette and Manu Katche as drummers that just "fill space".
>People that buy his records and visit his concerts
>are mostly guitarists.....
Um... I have several friends from both high school and college that never
picked up a guitar and own Joe albums. Blue Dream and Extremist especially.
This is the kind of generalization that pigeonholes Satch as a shredder and
ignores the fact the he's the best-selling instrumental guitarist ever.
And Korg said:
>might it be that old one, I Am Become Death? sounds
>like that kind of title
Actually, this line is from the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The whole line is
"I am become death, shatterer of worlds". I'm not sure where Joe picked it
up, but two possible places are Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket (it's written
on a soldier's helmet), or the reports that have Robert Oppenheimer saying
this when he viewed the first A-bomb test (that's what the Time Machine
liner notes suggest).
Simon Christie wrote:
>Satch worked with Nathan East and Manu Katche on the
>Joe Satriani Album
Actually, I was trying to determine exactly who the original poster was
referring to when he said "Satch was a bastard to Manu and Nathan". Its
quite possible he mistook Doug Wimbish and Simon Phillips for Nathan and
Manu since there was a tenuous in-studio relationship among the trio. Doug
and Simon did two songs on Extremist and one one Time Machine (if you can
call Woodstock Jam a song).
And Joe D. said:
>No, but good guess. It's "Dweller on the Threshold" from
>Time Machine.
Thanks for the answer to this week's most burning question!
Stodgers knew the truth was out there...
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:10:29 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Joe, Joe, and more Joe...
Message-ID: <000d01be0b7d$be7f8bc0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
> And Korg said:
>>might it be that old one, I Am Become Death? sounds
>>like that kind of title
not korg, t'was i. i realized later where that one came from. moo.
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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:48:11 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Help, help! I'm being repressed!
Message-ID: <001801bcec4c$f6da42e0$4c0d84d0@korgx3>
>> And Korg said:
>>>might it be that old one, I Am Become Death? sounds
(turns into a haggard old crone)
Lies, LIES I tell ye! The bastard doth speak ill 'o me!
>not korg, t'was i. i realized later where that one came from. moo.
(reverts)
Oh, nevermind. :P
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:49:55 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: WTF?! Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981108204838.1906A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
What happened to dreamtheater.ml.org?? I leave for a weekend, come back hoping to download all sorts of great MP3s, and what do I get? "PPP Project Development". Could this just be an error, or did somebody switch some servers around on me?
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! ------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who help you move. But REAL friend help you move BODIES." -------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:55:11 EST From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: PMU on radio Message-ID: <44eb718d.3646598f@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/7/98 8:42:42 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Thought some of you might be interested to know that I have heard the live version of PMU off of OiaL several times on a radio station here in Madison, Wi. Damn nice change considering I just moved here from a city where I had to go to four cd stores before even finding it. Josh chief@chorus.net >>
Ahhhh, you must be listening to WJJO. A killer station we even bought an antenna to pick it up (we live just south of the WI border) I know that DT gets a decent amount of air time. They also play alot of new music that you would never hear on a corperate station.
Juli
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 21:57:35 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Not THAT bored... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981108215735.006a828c@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
TheCowGod postulated (re: Satch's Lovecraft-inspired song): >might it be that old one, I Am Become Death? sounds like that kind of title >:) Moo.
Although reasonably sure this is tongue-in-cheek, I thought I'd straighten others out before they got the wrong idea. The quote "I am become death" is from the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Full phrase: "I am become death, shatterer of worlds."
Rumor had it that Oppenheimer (who helped develop the atomic bomb) quoted from the Book of the Dead when seeing his creation tested for the first time. That gave Joe an idea, and off he went with it.
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:25:14 EST From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: My post about Satriani Message-ID: <e9253c8d.3646609a@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/8/98 4:00:34 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Satch worked with Nathan East and Manu Katche on the Joe Satriani Album but on The Extremist it was Matt and Greg Bissonette the brothers I remember this from the Satch Tapes Video and I've just read the Extremists inlay card to check >>
First and foremost I would like to apologize for my post about Satch. I know I probably offended most of you Satriani fans, again I apologize. I also got the name of the video wrong and I still don't know the name of it. However it was Katche' and East on the vid. Being I'm not much of a Satriani fan myself I mistakenly allowed myself to fly off the handle and post about somthing that I obviously haven't done my homework on.
Now thinking before posting, Juli
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 23:12:24 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Dr. Mosh's shipment just arrived!!! Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981108230913.37212A-100000@archa8.cc.uga.edu>
Supwitchall-- This has nothing to do with music, but anyone who enjoys seeing the fight against corperate whoredom (as brought up in KorgX3's post) should rent "The Big One" starring Michael Moore. Very enjoyable indeed. And funny.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Dream Theater--Once in a Livetime ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 02:20:33 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: These boots were meant to walk Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811090217270.770-100000@jaca>
So, I have a bootleg here that I'd like to share with some people, but I don't have enough space on-line. Do you know where I could upload it to, in order to have it on-line for other people downloading pleasure?
Altruistically yours, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 02:25:09 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Scarred (live) MP3 Message-ID: <4.1.19981109021531.00a31140@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I decided to make an MP3 of Scarred from Dream Theater's performance in New Haven, CT on 10/25/97.
I think you'll be very pleased with the quality. But, unfortunately, since I was fooling around with encoding bit rates and such, I deleted the source .WAV file after creating a 192 kbps .MP3 file, so the MP3 is about 16 megs in size -- as opposed to 12 megs under 128kbps. Oh well.
Anyways, here's where you can get the download:
mindcrime@mindcrime.mit.edu/mp3s/">ftp://mindcrime:mindcrime@mindcrime.mit.edu/mp3s/
Grab the "Scarred_(NH).mp3" file.
Take care, Bogie
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 00:35:13 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: I'll join your cult! Message-ID: <19981109083514.25511.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>>KorgX3 thinks he could be a successful cult leader.<<<
KorgX3 is DAMNED RIGHT!
So besides mentioning DT every chance we get, and getting friends 2 hear them, and maybe calling radio stations, what do we do?
Or is that all? Maybe it's just a bumpy road to victory (It's already turning our direction). I'll fight all the way to the end.
Feel free to inspire me again with your speeches (where do U get it from?)
-maX, new member of KorgX3's cult.
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Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:21:48 +0100 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: blind-guardian@onelist.com, ytsejam@axnet.net, savatage@tkl.com, Subject: CDs for sale/trade Message-ID: <ubg1btz36r.fsf@breitweg-rem.desy.de>
Hi all,
I have some stuff for sale/trade, check out:
http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg/music/sellme.txt
Jason
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 01:24:39 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Ytsejam Digest 4409 Message-ID: <19981109092440.12000.qmail@hotmail.com>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>>>I think MP once adressed this issue, and said that the cost of the normal japanese release over in Japan, would cost way more than if they simply ordered an import american album, so to encourage them to buy the japanese release, theythrow in bonus discs, tracks, locks of JP's hair,...whatever...<<<
Why do they care if they buy imports or not?
Stick Master <sorry, I still think that's funny. Pretty cool yhough after U eXplained it> Stickmaster D said:
>>>I just wanted to mention that you should really understand that Satrianiand his band are really all about guitar playing...... People that buy his records and visit his concerts are mostly guitarists.....<<<
Is that why I think his music gets dull and boring after a while?
Uh-oh! Flame bait!
maX puts on a fire suit...
The CowGod said:
>>>i believe this is in the FAQ. due to conversion rates andall, in japan it's actually cheaper to buy import cds from the US than local japanese versions, so to inspire a little patriotic purchasing, theystick extra tracks on the japanese versions. moo.<<<
See above.
You guys get tired of "... said:", "... said:"? Oh well...
The Ice Queen exclaimed:
>>>IF you are all SERIOUS then you are not very nice people are you?
IF this is the case, how could such a brilliant band have such HORRIBLE fans?
Presumably IF this is true then it is no wonder that Mike Portnoy onlysends to the list occasionally. So if there are any other band members subscribed, they would be under aliases I suppose, to protect themselves.
Does anyone else have any OPINIONS on this matter?<<<
Well, sadly I think many jammers ARE serious, and just like telling others what to yhink. Isn't that what we're fighting against? Oh well, I still think the majority is for hearing other opinions, or they would not be here. But still I wonder about the motives of some...
Join KorgX3's "Dream Theater Anti Corporate Enterprise Cult"! Together we fight! And together we will win!
Then she exulted:
"Shortly after my lovely boast on the 'jam regaring my girlfriend'smusical preferences, she calls it a day on our relationship."
>>>Aah, how SAD. He found the purrfect woman and she dumped him .... Well they do say 'pride goeth before a fall'.<<<
Well, I don't think he meant it this way, and he aknowledged that too.
I really feel for Chris, because these things have happened to us all. I know.
Rogerio Brito yelped in extasy:
>>>Don't feel that way, man. You're not alone in this boat. I've met the perfect girl two or three weeks ago, she likes Black Sabbath, old Metallica and other very heavy stuff, she's beautiful, she's very intelligent, and most importantly, she's very cool -- moral of story: she's the perfect girl (in my eyes at least), but she doesn't even care about me. And I'm here trying to study, but everything that comes to my mind is her beautiful face... :-( And the project is due this nextFriday.:-( <<<
Dude, I've been there too. And 'ya know what's weird? The true answer is always something deep down that is not uncovered until years later if ever at all. That's how it was for me... then she changed drastically. I could've helped her, but Oh well, right?
Have U wrutten 2 her, or told her flat out how U really feel? Well I DO know that she is most likely really misled.
You had another response 2 this, and although it made sense, I assume you've already thought this out. All I can say is TIME!!!
Everything is healed with time. And dreams you thought were lost forever are realized with time. Good luck.
And I get distracted like that too! You have company!
Kick ass, Ytsejammers. ALL HAIL DREAM THEATER!!!
-maX
NP: Dream Theater - Once In A LIVEtime Tangerine Dream - 220 Volt Live KMFDM - Money
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