YTSEJAM Digest 4418
Today's Topics:
1) Who's That Man????
by IceQD@aol.com
2) Re: Bootlegging/ new Yes keyboardist...
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
3) trecial night
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
4) Macht- power (german can be confusing)
by Philip Griffiths <griffith@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>
5) Bootlegs -> Metallica -> BM -> Homosexuals -> Testicular Cancer -> Bootlegs
by "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4417
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
7) YNGWIE
by liquidrich@webtv.net
8) Dereks HOME PAGE
by YtseJamJMB@aol.com
9) L.T.E. BEST INSTRUMENTAL cd of the year
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
10) LTE chat
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Re: 1999 hall of fame inductees are in...
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
12) Re: Yes, NDTC
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
13) Macht/macht - total NDTC!
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
14) You're invited!
by Yahoo! Clubs <clubsbot@yahoo-inc.com>
15) Re: L.T.E. BEST INSTRUMENTAL cd of the year
by NuGgeTMaN <opeckie@base.org>
16) Derek
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
17) Notebooks, Cd vs Tape Trade
by Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:46:09 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Who's That Man????
Message-ID: <a0118472.364b2cf1@aol.com>
Hey!
Can anyone tell me who is the luscious man in the promo video of 'Hollow
Years'? He looks like John Petrucci but has shorter darker hair. Same sort
of goatee beard though.
Also Derek Sherinian is clean shaven in the same video. Does anyone else
agree that he looks better without the facial fungus?
Lust in the dust
Ice Queen
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:32:17 +0300
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Bootlegging/ new Yes keyboardist...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981112223217.0096cd00@messagebox.com>
>>Some bands allow taping gear at their shows. I don't think DT does. I
>interpret this as NOT wanting their music recorded without permission. Maybe
>I'm wrong and this and it's a contractual thing, but I seem to recall MP
>saying
>>something along the lines of - putting that Bahr guy 'out-of-business' on
>the jam a while back.
>
>the band is split on the subject. Mike P doesn't mind boots and has quite a
>few. i think james doesn't like em, and i dunno about the rest of em.
I believe James doesn't like bootlegs because it allows people who have
never heard DT live
imagine how awful he sounds (or sounded - because he is much better now, I
believe) live - his
awful attempts to pitch those highest notes and stuff... well, I don't want
to get into this 'KJLB sucks' thread again, because I really like his voice
though (especially those high notes!! :-))
Well, maybe this is not the reason he is opposed to bootlegging, but it
seems pretty reasonable though.
Btw, I believe that when MP said about putting 'Mike Bahr out of business'
he ment that he'd start distributing some of the recordings he did at the
shows or something of that kind.
And about the new Yes keyboardist - I believe I heard one record with
Sergey while he was still here in Russia and I gotta say he is pretty much
amazing. Actually there are quite many 'top-of-the-list' keyboardists here
in Russia, mainly because of the keyboard-teching tradition which is quite
different from that in the US. But almost none of them want to play prog,
well, there are several people who like Yes/Genesis/ELP stuff, but noone
wants to play DT or FW.
It's just that my band is looking for a keyboardist over here and we
couldn't find one for about half a year now... Sorry, just thought I'd
complain... :-(
=================================================================
I believe that what I am feeling
Changes how the world appears...
Neil Peart of Rush
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http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:27:50 PST
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: trecial night
Message-ID: <19981112202750.7612.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi max v.
I don't know what trecial is either, just sounds like it.
Thanks for the help on notebooks,lol.
Does anybody else like the first disc of OiaL better just because it's
faster?
schnipp
NP: Robin Beck - First Time(just kidding) Elliott Smith - X0
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:05:37 +0100
From: Philip Griffiths <griffith@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Macht- power (german can be confusing)
Message-ID: <364B4DA1.5DF0E225@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>
> Actually "Macht" does mean power, you were thinking of the verb "machen"- to do....
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:13:18 -0600
From: "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bootlegs -> Metallica -> BM -> Homosexuals -> Testicular Cancer -> Bootlegs
Message-ID: <000a01be0e81$5f46d440$e4a5410c@dwhit>
Hi everybody,
It's amazing how some subjects just keep re-surfacing. It's the circle of
life here at the Ytsejam.
You're all entitled to your own opinions about bootlegs. I love 'em, some
people hate 'em.
The fact is I wouldn't be such a huge DT fan if it weren't for Mike Bahr and
his bootlegs. The first one I ever owned was Acoustic Dreams, and I've been
a hound for all DT CDs and tapes ever since.
I find it strange that I own a relatively awesome collection of rare DT
tapes, etc. I got them all from trades. Why haven't they already been
massively distributed as they're so readily available? I guess it takes
*me* to bring these gems to the light? Too busy to look? Then yes, Scarred
is a service.
Now, let's take the Rotterdam show. What kind of equipment do you need to
get this masterpiece put on CD? First of all, a DAT recorder ($700),
7-pin-to-coax ($50), digital soundcard ($430). Not to mention the computer
and the CDR burner (which don't really count since I've had them for so
long). Yep, I bought all that equipment pretty much for the service of
putting the Rotterdam DAT on CD. Other than that, I've put maybe 20 hours
of use on my DAT recorder, taping the three shows DT did here in Texas (as
well as the November 1, 1998 GC & KX gig). And a lot of you would gladly
say that this is just money spent on playtoys. Believe me, I'm sure all
this expensive equipment just loves sitting in my apartment *all* day while
I'm in the computer lab. I literally never get time to sit down and fool
with it all, enticing as it is. And I *could* have skimped and done an
analog transfer of the DAT to the computer and saved $430.
A lot of money goes into all of this. And of course I make a profit on
bootlegging eventually. After all, who can magically predict how many discs
you'll ever sell and how many problems you'll encounter, then figure out the
price accordingly to where it comes out exactly even? You have to be *very*
near-sighted (in looking towards the future). Running low prices does NOT
jive with emergency situations (see next paragraph) OR being near-sighted.
And who can predict mishaps like what happened to me this summer? If some
of you don't remember, I bought 700 pieces of faulty media. I shipped out
around 150 discs using that bad media. Once I realized the discs sucked, I
stopped my business and took the time (and a long time it did take) to buy
new media and send out replacements to each and every affected customer.
This mistake easily cost me $2000 (not even counting lost sales over the two
months), and I was really hard up for cash. I was deathly close to closing
up Scarred for good. I could have screwed the customers over, but I didn't.
Another benefit of Scarred is that this helps put out 'definitive' versions
of shows. As in, there's lots of 'master' copies floating around, so you
never have to go far to find an original, instead of worrying about how many
analog gens a tape has been through.
Another thing. When the masses get together and plan to roll out massive
tape trees of the stuff I take the time to collect (again, I do it all
through trading like *anybody* else could), it severely dampens motivation
to put new stuff out. I guess that would be victory for some of you, but
then good luck finding that cool material. Oh wait, it's *EASY* to find all
that cool material! The search shouldn't be hard at all!
I'm a huge fan of complete packaged boots. That's why I take the time to
provide professionally-printed multi-page magazine-quality liners and
painted discs. I'm especially going all out with the Rotterdam show,
including lots of original photos and pro-designed legit liner art. It
ain't just a disc in a jewel case with a paper liner. People e-mail me
every day how my boots of late look like official releases.
I've e-mailed Adam Pye several times in the past, and he's a cool guy. He's
bought a boot from me before, and even lent me some web space to use with my
site. Hrm. =) Anyway, I guess we agree to disagree on this subject. And
Buck Stodgers, I think he just plain hates me. heh Anyway, this is all
stuff you could have read off all Mike Bahr's defenses awhile back. It's
not smooth sailing, as much as you all would like to think.
Ryan Whitaker
Scarred Records - Bootlegs Galore 'N More! =P
http://scarred.mit.edu
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:13:31 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4417
Message-ID: <19981112221331.1066.qmail@hotmail.com>
Some big "O" pillaged and plundered through the land with might and
fury as he raped the townswomen of their mud:
>>>"Musik ist Macht... Music is power..."
Please allow me to interfere, since this makes me feel VERY uncertain
with things.I have read German for about a year and a half (so far),
and I have
never heard of the word "Macht" as "power". To me, "Macht" is the word
for "does" (He/she/it does = er/es/sie macht). I'm a moron, yes, but I
don't think "Macht" means "power"... or does it?
Arash, or any German on this list, please confirm or deny.<<<
Sorry if this has been explained already. the word MACHT has 2
meanings.
As a verb it means makes or does, and as a noun it means power.
As I am not Deutch, it WAS pointed out to me that I actually did that
wrong. I said "Misic ist macht". THAT means "music is does/makes".
I SHOULD have wrote it "Musik ist Macht", capitalized like you did. That
DOES mean "Music is power".
Neil Gallop gets credit for this one. ThanX!
Weird language... but English is still the dumbest language of them all.
And I guess my Queensryche - 'Hear In The Now Frontier' opinions
didn't get through, so here goes again:
Well, at first I hated it. Sounded all grungey. There were only like
2 songs that sounded like Queensryche (You and Reach). But I forced
myself 2 listen again and again, and I discovever that I totally loved
stuff like The Voice Inside, Saved, Hit The Black, and even All I Want.
Even though it's more raw sounding, it's not grunge in my opinion. It
can't beat Empire, or Rage, but it still rocks.
And I still don't know what anybody has against FII. Sure it's not AS
proggy as the others, but the songwriting IS better, and it doesn't
sound monotonous at all. I think Awake is the low point (well, by DT
standards, which IMO are higher than any other band's), so maybe that's
my problem.
Before FII came out, I would think about what I hoped the new album
would sound like, and Trial Of Tears is like EXACTLY what I was hoping
for. It's my fave track on OIALT, and it just really hit the nail...
but still, I likr New Millenium and Hell's Kitchen better. Maybe it's
because Hell's Kitchen is so close to my own ideas...
And because it was brought up here, I'll say that I really like JLMB,
except the whole Kurt Kobain crap (I don't give a rat's African shlong
about him now), and the drums just don't do enough after that total
kickass section), but the live version DOES rock out a lot more than the
studio version.
And that one syncopated rhythm just kicks ASS!
My ramblings for the day...
-maX
NP: Drean Theater - Once In A LIVEtime
KMFDM - Nihil
Rush - Signals
And for your own good,
DO NOT Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:46:55 -0500 (EST)
From: liquidrich@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: YNGWIE
Message-ID: <25284-364B655F-8771@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
I just got the new YNGWIE MALMSTEEN "Live in Brazil" today. This cd
rocks. Everybody is going off and jammin'. The new singer is great.
James could take a few lessons from him.
I also got the new Helloween "Hey Lord" single which I'll let everybody
know about. And I got the bonus Dr. Sin cd that came with YNGWIE
MALMSTEEN "Live in Brazil". You guys will be getting my reviews soon.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:23:06 EST
From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dereks HOME PAGE
Message-ID: <4dae36e4.364b6dda@aol.com>
Just make sure you check Derek's new site everybody!!! It's pretty awesome.
Hopefully Myung will follow his lead and put up a site with some correct bass
tabs:)
Later All,
Justin
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:39:37 -0300
From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
To: "ytse jam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: L.T.E. BEST INSTRUMENTAL cd of the year
Message-ID: <000c01be0e96$07343da0$36710ed1@matiasfr>
To NuGgEtMaN: You have ears,but don't have a HEART !!!!or brain too!!
L.T.E rules!!!!
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:21:57 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE chat
Message-ID: <364B7BA5.A8D89A38@mol.com.mk>
Snippet from the Chat with LTE, when mentioning Satch:
> Petrucci: He can play more notes than me
:) Anyone wanna comment this one? Was JP kiddin' or....?
On Howard Stern show:
> Mike: Stern bashed us on the show for about 10 minutes once.
What was this? Any more info? :) PLEASE!
Any positive-change-of-attitude happened on MTV music awards or it's
still garbage?
Did DT got some best album award? ;)
P.S. Farewell Lisa and come back soon! :)
------
Later, CyberDuke
Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/
E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk
ICQ# 17392722
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:30:07 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: 1999 hall of fame inductees are in...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981112193007.007e7880@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Why are you people so shocked that Rush didn't get in. Look at how long it
took Pink Floyd to get in? Hell, look at how long it is taking other great
oldies bands to get in. the Who didn't get in until the early 90s. And
about Billy Joel getting hit by a fucking truck, I want you to think of one
thing. Ever hear the song Angry Young Man? Now, tell me this. If you ever
heard that song, or some of his other early unreleased shit, why would you
say that? Yes, his later works do have a bad taste for me, but Billy was my
piano god until I met the likes of prog keyboardists, so back off.
At 10:12 AM 11/12/1998 -0800, you wrote:
..in cased you missed it, and i'm terribly disappointed that a certain
canadian power trio who just released a triple live cd set (that i still
have
yet to hear) wasn't among the list.
but billy joel was. yipee fucking hooray. i still hope he gets hit by a
fucking truck.
curtis mayfield got in. that's cool.
i believe even the del shannons got in.
and no rush.
if some of you are so inclined to voice your displeasure, i know there's an
address you can write to in order to do such. it's on their webpage.
http://rockhall.com
whatever.
wild koba
sig-less at school
-- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@home.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream theater------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:11:26 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Yes, NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981112201126.0080caf0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
The song, oddly enough, is called changes, it is on the 90125 album, the same album that their biggest hit, Owner of a Lonely Heart is from.At 08:41 AM 11/10/1998 -0800, you wrote: Hi all.... Sorry about the NDTC but I feel certain that someone here could help me out with this. I'm just now starting to listen to some Yes material. I heard a song on the radio which I believe to be them. The only thing that I can recall about the song is an emphasis on the word "changes". If you know what song this is please mail me privately. Thanks, Everett evpainte@davidson.edu -- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@home.com Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream theater
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:17:46 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Macht/macht - total NDTC! Message-ID: <199811130118.UAA13724@maila.wm.edu>
>"Musik ist Macht... >Music is power..."
>I have read German for about a year and a half (so far), and I have never >heard of the word "Macht" as "power". To me, "Macht" is the word for >"does" (He/she/it does = er/es/sie macht).
"Macht" with a capital M is the noun "power." All nouns are capitalized!! tsk tsk! "macht" with a lowercase m however IS the verb "to do" the way you were just using it. You wouldn't say "music is does" you know :) I never thought about that difference in all these years, hmm...interesting.
-Alex
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:23:10 -0500 From: NuGgeTMaN <opeckie@base.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: L.T.E. BEST INSTRUMENTAL cd of the year Message-ID: <364B980E.92AFBF33@base.org>
Matija wrote: > > To NuGgEtMaN: You have ears,but don't have a HEART !!!!or brain too!! > L.T.E rules!!!! Umm...anyone want to clue me in on this one??? I've ALWAYS said LTE Rules! It was explorers club I wasn't fond of 8-P``` Peace out
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:00:16 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek Message-ID: <364BA0C0.F0739FE4@wavetech.net>
Just make sure you check Derek's new site everybody!!!
Thanks for the tip, but you neglected to include a URL with that post :)
-Taur
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:02:57 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@tinagh.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Notebooks, Cd vs Tape Trade Message-ID: <199811130307.VAA25859@dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com>
I wouldn't mind a CD trade, but tapes are 90% useless to me. They wear out, and I don't have a tape player everywhere I want to listen to music, but I do have a CD player. Heck, I had to think to remember that I even have a tape player in my car. I've done a few tape trades, but they pretty much end up being listened to once and forgotten. And I know I'm not the only one like that. That's why tape trees don't work too well anymore.
Notebooks: The best thing is to decide what features you want out of your notebook and find one that has those for the best price. I'm getting a Dell because it's the only notebook with a 15" screen and 8MB of video Ram, and for what I do, that's the most important thing.
~Chris
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