YTSEJAM Digest 4419
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Derek
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
2) Re: Derek
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
3) Different Stages
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
4) Once in a Live time and other ramblings
by "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
5) Yup, you guessed it...
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
6) Re: Once in a Live time and other ramblings
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
7) Re: Boots...
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
8) Re: Tape trade
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
9) Re: King's X/Galactic Cowboys show 11-11-98
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) hall of fame inductees?
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
11) Re: Once in a Live time ramblings | Mike bahr | Billy Joel | yngwie
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) $#!+
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
13) VAST NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
14) for sale metal Sampler
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) 5years...Derek page?...Petrucci video?
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
16) Derek's New Site
by IceQD@aol.com
17) The Ice Queen
by IceQD@aol.com
18) Languages - absolutely NfuckingDTC!
by "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:10:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981112221001.24412A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Kyle McCabe wrote:
>
> Just make sure you check Derek's new site everybody!!!
>
> Thanks for the tip, but you neglected to include a URL with that post :)
>
> -Taur
>
It's http://www.dereksherinian.com/, there's a link to it from the UACM.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage!
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"Friends are people who help you move. But
REAL friend help you move BODIES."
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:41:53 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <001e01be0eb7$8de435a0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>> Just make sure you check Derek's new site everybody!!!
browsing the site, cool and all, one question - i see 4 DT cds listen on the
discography that i don't recognize as official releases (another uncovered,
small club adventure, live bonus tracks, and touring into infinity and
beyond) - are those boots? if so, why'd he include boots on an official
discography? and why only those 4? :) just curious. moo.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:48:56 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Different Stages
Message-ID: <19981113035222.WKHE9342@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey all,
I wasn't going to even mention this disc, but hey, since everyone else
is... Okay, so ONE other guy did..
I don't like it. It's long, not cohesive, and meandering and has a sub-par
setlist. First off: why is Stick It Out even on here? Can I get a show of
hands of who thinks this is superior to either Double Agent or Cold Fire?
Nobody? Yeah, I thought so... Also, I understand the cycle of live albums
and how the album right after the last live album is always
underrepresented, but Presto deserved more songs on here than this.
And like we needed another live version of CttH, or Tom Sawyer, TSoR, etc.
One live version is usually enough, but I guess not for these guys. And why
did they cut out all the "background" music? By this I mean Thus Spake
Zarathustra and Flight of the Bumblee, and the other things like that. Plus
the crowd noise is soooo contrived. Anyone who was at these shows knows
that for the opening of 2112, the crowds went absoltuely ballistic, but you
don't hear that at all.
Good points? Yeah there are some things I liked. I like hearing Alex's use
of the piezo pickup on his PRS. Makes me envious... But it does sound awful
on some songs. I think the mix is great, this actually sounds like a Rush
show, unlike past live discs. Bravado rules, of course. And the bonus disc
is truly a bonus in so many senses. Cygnus X-1 is nearly worth the price of
purchase alone, and AFTK sounds superb live. Since AFTK is my favorite Rush
album, this is an ideal tour to have this disc from.
Overall, the main two discs aren't worth the purchase price IMHO (and yes
I am a Rush fan) and boots from the RtB and CP tours have better setlists.
But if you've got $20 to spare, are a Rush fan, and are ambling through the
record store, you'll likely end up with it regardless of this review.
Stodge
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:47:03 -0800
From: "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
To: "Dream Theater Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Once in a Live time and other ramblings
Message-ID: <000101be0ed1$6bc55200$640b73cf@oemcomputer>
I just got my Dream Theater and Fates Warning live CDs in the mail today.
I have to admit that I'm once again disappointed.
When I saw them live in concert, I really don't remember James LaBrie
singing like shit. But I really think his singing sucks on this CD from
what I've heard so far. The instrumental parts are awesome, but I really
miss James' clear excellent studio singing from Images and Words and A
Change of Seasons. I guess he's just a studio singer. The thing is: I
really don't remember his singing being bad when I saw them live. What
pisses me off the most is how he ruined some of my favorite songs such as
Scarred and Take the Time. James completely sucks in these songs.
Also, the keyboards REALLY get the forefront of the CD which is allright
because it sounds like Derek really kicks butt. And once again, the
recording quality just sounds kind of muddy to me. Most of the awesome
cymbals that I like to hear such as the china and splash are not clear like
they used to be on Images and Words and Awake. I really don't like Kevin
Shirley as a producer. I haven't liked any of the sound production on any
of the CDs he produced. Liquid tension experiment was the most acceptable I
think. Awake had the by far the best sound production of any of the DT
releases, IMO.
I don't know why LaBrie pronounces words so poorly on the live performances.
He sounds like an idiot when he sings "buhleeve" instead of believe, among
many other lyrics in take the time and scarred. Oh and another one: Spake
instead of speak, bake instead of back on Voices. Portnoy, Petrucci, and
Sherinian really make the recording from what I've heard already.
I think James should not have sung so well on Images and Words in the
Studio, cause now I'm going to be disappointed when he sings and it doesn't
live up to the superior singing on that best CD EVER. I don't think any
band could ever replicate Images and Words, not even Dream Theater,
unfortunately.
On a more "pleasant shade of gray" note:
I must admit that the Fates Warning Live release "Still Life" REALLY kicks
ass!!! They do such an incredible job on an already AMAZING CD of A
pleasant Shade of Gray. This band has really excelled in quality both
musically and recording-wise. They get better with time -- no doubt!! Terry
Brown HAS to be one of the best producers EVER. He produced the BEST RUSH
CDs (70s to early 80s) and now the BEST Fates Warning CDs (Parallels, A
Pleasant Shade of Gray, and Still Life). Dream Theater should have Terry
Brown as the producer!
Oh well, that's what prog underground on the internet is for. I can find
out about great new bands such as Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Lemur Voice,
Savatage, etc.
Magna Carta is the best label around except that they won't resign Lemur
Voice. This band has the best vocals and instrumentals next to Images and
Words, IMO. I think I'd have to admit that IAW followed by Lemur Voice's
"Insights" are the best releases around in the history of prog.
Ah well, I'm off my soap box now.
Jon
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:05:48 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Yup, you guessed it...
Message-ID: <19981113040912.WTVQ9342@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey,
Ryan Whitaker wrote:
>It's amazing how some subjects just keep re-surfacing.
>It's the circle of life here at the Ytsejam.
Hey pot, this is the kettle speaking: YOU'RE BLACK!
>Buck Stodgers, I think he just plain hates me.
I hate no one. I just mock you all for the mere sport of it...
But seriously Ryan, I have no problem with what you do. KTS does it, Why
Not? does it, you do it. What I have a problem with is how you, much like
the reviled Mike, turn around and call it a service to fans. You talk about
the costs involved, and how painstaking it is, and how you have all this
material that everyone can now have access to. Funny, I could swear that
Swifty sent me some of the same stuff you're selling and all I had to do
was return the favor and send him something. Tape trading can be done with
equipment everyone has, and no one has to pay for anyone else's "hard
work".
>People e-mail me every day how my boots of late
>look like official releases.
Yeah, except the last official DT 2-disc release cost me under twenty
bucks. :)
>It's not smooth sailing, as much as you all would like to think.
Actually, despite my long-winded posts which no one else could give two
dooks about that are only inspired by post from you, I don't even think
about it. :)
I guess it all boils down to this: my kindergarten teacher taught me to
share, but she never taught me to ask for money when I did it.
Stodgers
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 98 20:10:38 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Once in a Live time and other ramblings
Message-ID: <199811130410.UAA17157@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>Words, IMO. I think I'd have to admit that IAW followed by Lemur Voice's
>"Insights" are the best releases around in the history of prog.
Not prog. Prog-metal
(If you don't make that distinction, you'll have angry Yes, Genesis, Pink
Floyd, ELP, Gentle Giant and King Crimson fans tearing you a new one.)
Andrew
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The drummer's playing in 4/4, the saxophone player is playing 5/4, the
guitar player is picking his nose. -FZ
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:18:14 -0500
From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Boots...
Message-ID: <4.1.19981112230115.00a58100@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
Ryan Whitaker said:
>I've e-mailed Adam Pye several times in the past, and he's a cool guy. He's
>bought a boot from me before, and even lent me some web space to use with my
>site. Hrm. =) Anyway, I guess we agree to disagree on this subject.
This is the kind of post that points out strongly (at least for me) the
importance of separating an individual and his business when talking about
the two. Though we obviously strongly disagree on the business topic,
we've both kept out the personal insults, flames, etc. Thanks for the
maturity, Ryan...
To clarify so I don't sound like a hypocrite: :) I bought Scarred's first
release, "Seven Wonders." It was an MP3 CD of the seven (to that point)
Bahr boots. Selling MP3 CDs of this type, I feel, is much more acceptable
than selling standard audio CDs. I think it cost me $20 and contained 7
Bootlegs. Now that is actually a deal for the music lover. Morons these
days are trying to sell single disc Bahr boots for $50 and more. If you
fall for buying at that price you deserve to lose that money. And Seven
Wonders (with it's sucessor) was obviously for a specific audience - the
online Dream Theater fans and this mailing list. You're not going to be
able to sell this kind of CD to the general public. This was actually the
closest thing to a "service" to the fans I've ever seen come out of a
for-profit boot seller. This is why I offered Ryan some webspace and
purchased his mp3 CD...
I've gotten an unbelievable response to my suggestion that we get a tape
tree going for the Rotterdam show. The show will be from DAT and the patch
to CD will be straight digital (good to have pro-audio friends), so we're
looking at good sound here. Also to clarify - this is NOT a competition
with Scarred. If artwork is important to you (and $40 is not), then go for
his release. I won't do the tree until Jan/Feb anyways. Take care all!
__________________________________________________
Adam Pye (Alpine)
alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine
^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:25:45 -0500
From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Tape trade
Message-ID: <4.1.19981112231928.00a91dc0@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
>I wouldn't mind a CD trade, but tapes are 90% useless to me. They wear
>out, and I don't have a tape player everywhere I want to listen to music,
>but I do have a CD player. Heck, I had to think to remember that I even
>have a tape player in my car. I've done a few tape trades, but they pretty
>much end up being listened to once and forgotten. And I know I'm not the
>only one like that. That's why tape trees don't work too well anymore.
See my post a few jams ago. It depends on how in depth you want to get
with a band. If you stick to CD, you're going to miss out on unique
moments - and that's a fact. Again, if you just want an overview of the
band live, CD only is fine. If you want a closeup you have to dig around.
Maybe you have to give up some sound quality, or *GASP!!!!!*, give up
random track access. THE HORROR! Lazy bastards... :)
Also, "tape trees don't work well anymore" is totally uninformed. Go look
at any band who encourages taping at their shows. Look at Widespread
Panic, for example. With this band I've been involved in at least 5 trees
with more than 100 people each in the past 6 months. If that's not working
well, I don't know what is. This kind of stuff happens with all kinds of
bands - moe., phish, dead, widespread, dave matthews, etc etc etc...
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Adam Pye (Alpine)
alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine
^^ Above URL for Tapelist w/ Setlists
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:55:26 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: King's X/Galactic Cowboys show 11-11-98
Message-ID: <503fd6c8.364bc9ce@aol.com>
>< Galactic Cowboys: Pretty good band from what I could see. The guitarist
was
from the Angus Young Histrionics school of stage presence -- head bobbing,
bent-knee shuffle, the works. The only thing he was missing was the duck walk
and spastic flail. Good guitarist, though. The vocalist and bassist were all
over the place, jumping around like drops of water on a hot pan. You could
tell they were really enjoying themselves. The drummer looked like he was sick
(played all bundled up and was shivering in between songs) but still sounded
dead on. I definitely gotta go get some of their stuff. ><
Get Space In Your face and/or Self-Titled. Both excellent, excellent albums.
Also, I think their last drummer left and they juist hired this guy to tour
with them, that could explain the nervousness
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:39:10 -0600
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: hall of fame inductees?
Message-ID: <199811130639.AAA15315@busprod.com>
>
>Why are you people so shocked that Rush didn't get in. Look at how long it
>took Pink Floyd to get in? Hell, look at how long it is taking other great
>oldies bands to get in. the Who didn't get in until the early 90s. And
>about Billy Joel getting hit by a fucking truck, I want you to think of one
>thing. Ever hear the song Angry Young Man? Now, tell me this. If you ever
>heard that song, or some of his other early unreleased shit, why would you
>say that? Yes, his later works do have a bad taste for me, but Billy was my
>piano god until I met the likes of prog keyboardists, so back off.
yeah... billy's cool. His earlier stuff had alot of heart and he's a damn
fine pop writer to boot. What I can't understand is BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN? wtf?
I've never heard a Bruce Springsteen song that did anything for me except
give me an irresistable urge to yawn. He's an overhyped nothing as far as
I'm concerned. I'd be willing to listen to anybody that has proof of any
talent that he has that I've overlooked.
bruce
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:15:29 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Once in a Live time ramblings | Mike bahr | Billy Joel | yngwie
Message-ID: <32ac9f3b.364bdc91@aol.com>
>< But I really think his singing sucks on this CD from what I've heard so
far. The instrumental parts are awesome, but I really miss James' clear
excellent studio singing from Images and Words and A Change of Seasons. I
guess he's just a studio singer. ><
No, he's just a human singer.
>< And did Mike Bahr unsubscribe from Ytsejam? I must have missed it, but
the 'Bahr Wars' are now over and I haven't seen a thing from him in a few
months...
><
yet somehow, some way, he's still managing to screw people over.
>< but billy joel was. yipee fucking hooray. i still hope he gets hit by a
fucking truck. ><
you're nuts man
>< I just got the new YNGWIE MALMSTEEN "Live in Brazil" today. This cd
rocks. ><
It seems like every country has a live album named after them ("Live In
<insert country here>") but america
Thats it, the end, I am finished
Jim
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:59:20 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: $#!+
Message-ID: <19981113075920.16150.qmail@hotmail.com>
Well, I like disc 1 of OIALT better too, even though TOT is on #2.
Also, I am one of those morons who always likes full cover art and info
with my CDs. Somebody asked.
TaDream list does tape trees very successfully, but TD is also an older
band with an older (for the most part) audience...
maX shuts up until tomorrow.
NP: Depeche Mode - The Singles 86>98
Dream Theater - Once In A LIVEtime
KMFDM - Nihil
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:42:39 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: VAST NDTC
Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E839@ms.kallback.com>
Has anyone heard of VAST (Visual Audio Sensory Theater)?
It's on the listening station at Tower.
It sounds to me like a heavier Chromakey with some Deep Forest
type world music beats thrown in.
Thought some of you might like it.
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:44:51 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: for sale metal Sampler
Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E83A@ms.kallback.com>
DT Metal Sampler CD PRCD 9899-2
1.BMS
2.YNM
3.PS
All LP versions
$5.76 + $1.24 postage=$7
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:53:04 PST
From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 5years...Derek page?...Petrucci video?
Message-ID: <19981113095305.6753.qmail@hotmail.com>
YES!!!
5 Years in a fucking LIVEtime!I finally got it yesterday,and I just have
to say that this one kicks some serious ass!!!It's got Macht:)
"Speak to Me" is absolutely fabulous!I have to get that one on CD.
Those behind the scenes shots were also fun to watch.By the way:Is
Metropolis slow,or is it just me?
Could someone tell me the URL to Derek's page?
And finally:Does anyone have the John Petrucci instructional video?
Is it good?Tell me about it!
Hmm,gotta go...C-YA!
~Jani~
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:16:13 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Derek's New Site
Message-ID: <cf18856.364c14fd@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/13/98 3:16:03AM, you write:
>Just make sure you check Derek's new site everybody!!! It's pretty awesome.
>Hopefully Myung will follow his lead and put up a site with some correct bass
>tabs:)
>Later All,
>Justin
Hi
Could you please post the url for this site to the list?
Many thanks
Ice Queen
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:41:44 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Ice Queen
Message-ID: <c0eec29b.364c2908@aol.com>
No I'm not Jon Parmet.
There is one person on the list who knows my real identity, but then why
should anyone care?
Ice Queen
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:44:07 -0700
From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Languages - absolutely NfuckingDTC!
Message-ID: <EBFONNOHPJNMAAAA@mailcity.com>
Hmmm... perhaps it wasn't my day. OF COURSE I know that "Macht" means "power" - it's even very much like the Swedish word for it - "makt" (Swedish and German are related languages).
Good thing I didn't bother asking my teacher... guess it would have lowered my grade. <:-)
Max Verran wrote:
> Weird language... but English is still the dumbest
> language of them all.
German is not weird, it's just troublesome with all its rules and exceptions, but it's overall very logical. Although utterly demanding. I see English as rather simple in a way, but maybe that's just because I learned my first English words when I was four.
You want a weird language? Learn Swedish.
E.g. we have two words for "one". Well, German has a whole bunch of them, but in Swedish there are no rules whatsoever when you're using which one.
Aw, fuck languages, I have to keep in mind this a DT list... <:-)
<PICKING MODE="ON">
> Some big "O" pillaged and plundered through the land
> with might and fury as he raped the townswomen of
> their mud:
"Some big 'O' pillaged and" blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAAAHH!
I tell you what, Maxie man, you're cool, but you don't have to prove it all the fuckin' time. It will just be embarrassing when you run out of ideas... so why don't you make it a habit: "John Doe wrote:"...
</PICKING>
Alex O'Connell wrote:
> You wouldn't say "music is does" you know
You don't know me... I once said "Ich hat eine Computern"... :-)
(FYI: It's supposed to be "Ich habe ein Computer" - "I have a computer".)
The Almighty O
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