YTSEJAM Digest 4420
Today's Topics:
1) Advance notice
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
2) Hall of Fame
by Barbara B <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419- rush and hall of fame
by Thrak75@aol.com
4) German, BS, and much more
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
5) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com>
6) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com>
7) Blah...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
8) DEREK SHERINIAN INTERNATIONAL SITE
by AnalogGal@aol.com
9) Original ACOS version
by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Staff?= <torbjost@stud.ntnu.no>
10) Re: Derek
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419- rush and hall of fame
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
12) Re: Derek
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
13) Albums named after some countries
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
14) Re: JL on OIAL
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
15) Jon Finn's latest release
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
16) a radio mention!
by Brien Denis O <n8742612@cc.wwu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:03:50 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Advance notice
Message-ID: <000901be0f06$0f124ab0$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
just an advanced warning to those of you who read my album reviews. My last
visit to my CD dealer (http://www.ulismusic.de) left him much richer, me much
poorer and my CD collection 5 albums larger. You can expect reviews of the
following in the next couple of days:
THE GATHERING - How To Measure A Planet?
THE DESERT SESSIONS - Volumes III/IV
STIGMATA IV - The Court Of Eternity
STRAOVARIUS - Destiny
SYMPHONY X - Twilight IN Olympus
Up front, The Gathering's new album (2 CDs) looks like it's going to be my
favourite new album for 98. I was fairly sure that this honour would go to
Anathema's brilliant "Alternative 4". Talking of favourite new releases, has
anybody volunteered to run the 98 poll?
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing (and making my ears bleed): Meshuggah - Chaosphere
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:20:26 -0500
From: Barbara B <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981113082026.006a2f78@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
>Subject: 1999 hall of fame inductees are in...
>Message-ID: <719ea88b.364b2105@aol.com>
>
>
>..in cased you missed it, and i'm terribly disappointed that a certain
canadian power trio who just released a triple live cd set (that i still
have yet to hear) wasn't among the list.
>if some of you are so inclined to voice your displeasure, i know there's
an address you can write to in order to do such. it's on their webpage.
>
>http://rockhall.com
Hello everyone, it's BABS. I strongly encourage doing this. I was so
pissed listening to a talk radio program earlier in the week where they had
some nimrod from the Hall of the Fame saying that "there would never be any
hard rock inducted in, that there wasn't a place for it..." You wouldn't
believe the comments from listeners after that! I feel now is the time and
place for people to inundate them with letters and comments. I suggest
that the letters/emails be sent in a professional and pleasant manner, but
still getting the point across - I mean if you have someone sending their
support who's saying f-this and f-that, then the Hall of Fame won't take it
serious and they'll consider us just a bunch of burnouts.
Does anyone know if the NMS is taking any action on this?
BABS
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:48:07 EST
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419- rush and hall of fame
Message-ID: <2a8db3d0.364c3897@aol.com>
ok, i must've accidentally deleted the jam where this originally came, so
chances are, i missed more of what this person had to say about my
disappointment about rush not making the rnrhof.
>Why are you people so shocked that Rush didn't get in. Look at how long i=
t
>took Pink Floyd to get in? Hell, look at how long it is taking other grea=
t
>oldies bands to get in. the Who didn't get in until the early 90s. And
>about Billy Joel getting hit by a fucking truck, I want you to think of o=
ne
>thing. Ever hear the song Angry Young Man? Now, tell me this. If you ever
>heard that song, or some of his other early unreleased shit, why would yo=
u
>say that? Yes, his later works do have a bad taste for me, but Billy was =
my
>piano god until I met the likes of prog keyboardists, so back off.
why am i shocked? ok. this is directly off the rnrhof website:
"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of
their first record. Criteria considered includes the influence and
significance of the artist=92s contribution to the development and
perpetuation of rock and roll. Similar criteria is used for the
non-performer category which includes songwriters, producers, disc
jockeys, record company executives, journalists and other industry
professionals."
1) that explains why it took floyd and the who "so long" to get in, first =
of
all.
2) looking at the criteria mentioned above, i STILL don't understand why r=
ush
wasn't in. maybe i'm being a little picky, because after all, they'll alwa=
ys
be eligible for induction (not like the baseball hall of fame, where after=
a
certain amount of years, if you don't get in, you can't unless some senior=
ity
commission or something votes you in years later- someone back me up if yo=
u
know what i mean). but picky or not, rush's induction this year imo would'=
ve
sent a message to the rock listening world that prog rock WAS and STILL IS=
an
important genre of rock that can't be ignored.
3) as for you not appreciating that i wish billy joel got hit by the fucki=
ng
truck, i've two words for you: elton john.
peace.
wild koba
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba (updated 11/1/98)
"gather ye rosebuds while ye may, old time is still a-flying; and this sam=
e
flower that smiles today tomorrow will be dying." -r. herrick
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:24:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: German, BS, and much more
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981113085843.18698B-100000@gs.bass.org>
In the last awe-inspiring digest of good humor:
The "O" moaned of his German use:
>I once said "Ich hat eine Computern"
That's ok, JFK once said, "Ich bin eine Berliner."
Bruce stopped singing his "Philosopher's Song" and said of Bruce:
>What I can't understand is BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN? wtf?
You have a point there. Actually, I was having a conversation with a
friend about this yesterday, when one of his crap songs came on the radio
in the restaurant in which we were enjoying a fine repast. She wondered if
his songs mightn't sound better as sung by other people (as in the case of
Bob Dylan). I pointed out the cover of "Ghost of Tom Joad" that Rage
Against the Machine did, which I find far better than the original. I
begin to wonder if Dylan sang "Glory Days" I might not like it better...
My thoughts on Different Stages:
While the setlist may not appease the hardcore fanatic, as a casual
appreciator of their oeuvre, it represents a good overview of their work
for the past x number of years. Maybe it has too many of their radio hits,
but only to encourage airplay of the new material: as evidenced by "The
Spirit of Radio" which I heard on the radio earlier this week. Whenever
the radio plays Peter Gabriel's "Red Rain" now, they always use the live
version from the Secret World tour album he released. And yes, the "bonus"
CD is worth the price of the whole thing. And, one last thing, I'm really
pissed that someone was able to get OiaL for under $20. /me throws himself
on the floor and kicks/punches the ground like a fucking 3-year-old.
Until the next time.
P
NP Gong: You Remixed (ah, just ended)
Sevendust: S/T (heheheh, hope I don't end up like Rick James)
Next in queue--Marvin Gaye: Sexual Healing Sessions
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Paul's musical quote for the Month:
Whatever the price is/ Whatever the crisis/ oh please don't leave me/ to
my own devices
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:37:15 +0500
From: panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <199811130437.JAA09975@avatar.pty.com>
At 11:40 AM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected.
>Reason: message size limit exceeded (maximum allowed: 10000 bytes)
>The first few lines of your message are included herein for reference:
>
>
>COULD YOU TAKE ME OUT OF THIS MAILING LIST PLEASE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>tk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>At 10:15 AM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> YTSEJAM Digest 4417
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>>Today's Topics:
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:37:26 +0500
From: panymex <ecaballe@mail.pty.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <199811130437.JAA10022@avatar.pty.com>
At 11:40 AM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected.
>Reason: message size limit exceeded (maximum allowed: 10000 bytes)
>The first few lines of your message are included herein for reference:
>
>
>NO ENVIAR MAS ESTA PORQUERIA.!!!!
>
>
>
>At 10:15 AM 11/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> YTSEJAM Digest 4417
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>>Today's Topics:
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:54:31 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Blah...
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF03308E@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey guys,
I've been lurking for a while but this sparked something in
me...
Jon Case Wrote :
>I think James should not have sung so well on Images and Words in the
>Studio, cause now I'm going to be disappointed when he sings and it
doesn't
>live up to the superior singing on that best CD EVER. I don't think
any
>band could ever replicate Images and Words, not even Dream Theater,
>unfortunately.
And then:
> I really don't like Kevin Shirley as a producer. I haven't liked any
of the sound
> production on any....<snip>
OH YAWN....
Shirley is the producer at the moment - deal with it. They will not
write another I&W - deal with it, I'm sorry but I just can't be doing
with this again...! The reason James is not "perfect" on OIAL is
because he doesn't get to redo things in the studio (note the "Santa
Claus" effect that Derek mentions on his web page when discussing Kiss
Alive III). OIAL is a fucking awsome live album, it captures DT live,
er...not in the studio. I think you may have something though...I do
hope that the next cd has great songs on it but the performance is under
par - then they can really wow us on the tour.
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
NP : CK.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:55:46 EST
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: DEREK SHERINIAN INTERNATIONAL SITE
Message-ID: <36c4c20d.364c4872@aol.com>
Hello all!
Derek's Web Mistress here! On behalf of Derek, I would like to invite all of
you to check out his brand new website at www.dereksherinian.com. Bookmark it
and come back often, and don't forget to sign the guestbook.
I welcome feedback, so feel free to drop me an email whenever you want.
Peace,
Christina
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:07:16 +0100 (MET)
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Staff?= <torbjost@stud.ntnu.no>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Original ACOS version
Message-ID: <Pine.GS4.4.05.9811131558140.1795-100000@james.stud.ntnu.no>
Could someone tell the URL for the original ACOS version in MP3. I think
its the one from The Dance Of Eternity Live in Long Island 93. Anyway, the
URL was posted last week, and I downloaded it. Someone deleted the 19.3Mb
mp3 file by accident before I got to listen to it. I need the location so
I can go and get. Email me privat and post to the Jam. I'm sure there are
more people that lost the URL.
Thanks
Torbj=F8rn
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:16:15 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811131314530.3785-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Kyle McCabe wrote:
> Thanks for the tip, but you neglected to include a URL with that post :)
Hummm... Why didn't you try www.dereksherinia.com? That's the one
I tried (well, I tried the obvious) and it worked.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:26:27 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419- rush and hall of fame Message-ID: <005601be0f19$fb11cf40$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>know what i mean). but picky or not, rush's induction this year imo would'= >ve >sent a message to the rock listening world that prog rock WAS and STILL IS= > an >important genre of rock that can't be ignored.
so, does the lack of their induction mean that prog rock ISN'T an important genre of rock and CAN be ignored? moo.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:33:15 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Derek Message-ID: <006b01be0f1a$ee81c180$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
> Hummm... Why didn't you try www.dereksherinia.com? That's the one >I tried (well, I tried the obvious) and it worked.
not necessarily THAT obvious... i tried http://members.aol.com/~dsherinian and http://members.aol.com/~nckylemons before finally giving up and then finding the url sitting there in outlook express :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:46:26 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Albums named after some countries Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811131342150.3785-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> >< I just got the new YNGWIE MALMSTEEN "Live in Brazil" today. This cd > rocks. >< > > It seems like every country has a live album named after them ("Live In > <insert country here>") but america
So, you probably don't know many albums, because there's a HUGE amount of albums out there called Live in USA (for instance, the first one that springs to mind is King Crimson's).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:00:19 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: JL on OIAL Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981113105225.73094A-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> When I saw them live in concert, I really don't remember James LaBrie > singing like shit. But I really think his singing sucks on this CD from > what I've heard so far.
You know, I think Once in a LIVEtime is the most I've *ever* enjoyed James' singing. Okay, maybe other than the almighty Awake. I thought he sounded bloody GREAT. I really, really love OIAL. I was pretty sure it was gonna be great but it blew me away totally. The boys have outdone themselves again. Hail Dream Theater.
> Oh well, that's what prog underground on the internet is for. I can find > out about great new bands such as Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Lemur Voice, > Savatage, etc.
Oh yeah, Savatage is really new.
> Magna Carta is the best label around except that they won't resign Lemur > Voice.
And the small and slightly significant fact that they don't promote anything.
Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:09:49 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: yts <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: bostonjam@dreamt.org, jonfinn@tiac.net Subject: Jon Finn's latest release Message-ID: <364C59CD.145E@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
After being jerked around by record contract bullshit (or whatever, I don't know the details, but I know it sucked all around!) which prevented the music from being available to the fans, Jon has released a jem of a CD called with his own sweat! As he likes to put it: "Fuck you Goliath" (check his web site for the full story :)
The disc is available via his web site (http://jonfinn.com) and the turnaround time, after sending my check in, was most acceptable. Let's get out and support him! It's a crucial time now when the band is out there trying to get recognition.
Not about the music:
- If you're looking for a disc with 80 minutes of nothing but heavy metal shred, see ya :)
- If you're the kind of person who simply can't hold themselves together when they see a disc with less than 60 minutes of total music (this one checks in at 56:55), see ya :)
- If you're expecting music completely devoid of 4/4 time, see ya :)
- If you're looking for deep meaning in the lyrics, FuhGetAboutIt, there's no lyrics on this baby, baby.... see ya :)
About the music:
OK, if you ARE looking for a band that has a command of everything from prog (including some nasty odd-time signature shred, metal boyeeee :) to jazz to classical to blues to spacy keyboard sounds to funky bass, to all out groove...well then, hello there!!
I believe the keyboardist owns the recording studio where the CD was recorded and mixed. The sound quality is excellent. All instruments can be heard just fine :)
If you like a good balance between technique and soul, you'll enjoy this stuff. One listen to the 15 minutes or so of musical exploration found in "Pompous Music Suite" and there's no question Jon and the gang have the theoretical knowledge. He's got more than enough ability to play something that's been written down on a piece of paper. Anyone can do that. They rip it up on that song!
Seeing them take a theme and improv on it is worth the price of admission. The thing that gets me going with them is where the stuff is all coming from (the soul)! You just have to see them live to really understand what I mean (and hopefully you will, if they get the support they deserve). They just have so much fun up there, and the jams which come pouring out of the band reflect it. Putting the egos aside and risking vulnerability up there on stage by being completely spontaneous, they come out with some great stuff that goes beyond the musical staff.
As I've already said in previous posts, the drummer is quite intense to watch. He has groove written all over his playing (his beads of sweat even hit the deck on the offbeat!), not to mention one heck of a bass drum foot! That part in the middle of Ashley's Star where they kick it in contains some really sweet, clean, drum work. If that section were a little longer, it would easily be classified as "Wicked Pissa" :) I'd actually be curious to know what some of the drummers on this list of him. This guy impresses the heck out of me :)
As far as the other musicians go, I believe they're all faculty members at Berklee, too. The bass player is excellent, and the recent addition of a keyboardist adds some great textures. I remember seeing him jam with them the first time and he just plugged right into the groove! There's an overall synergy in this band that's just so much more than the sum of 4 faculty members getting together and playing. Perhaps remaning the band to "Gestalt" would be a good PR move? :)
Since I feel everyone deserves to experience it the first time for themselves, I tried to stay away from spoiling things by picking apart the insides of each song or whatever. But here's a little peeky from the liner notes regarding a Jeff Beck tune they cover:
"Many bands choose cover songs as a means to increase accessibility. So of course we chose the most obscure song we could find by a major artist."
:)
I suggest for anyone that enjoys at least bands like Dream Theater AND Steve Morse AND Stevie Ray Vaughan, in other words variety on a disc, go pick it up.
Regards, Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: Brien Denis O <n8742612@cc.wwu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: a radio mention! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981113084903.5921A-100000@titan.cc.wwu.edu>
Listening to the morning DJs at the only decent rock station in Seattle, I heard a quote:
"Dream Theater makes good rock too hard."
I guess that's what I get for living in the stuck-in-grunge capital of the US.
-D
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