YTSEJAM Digest 4421
Today's Topics:
1) The Ytsejam CD project!
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
2) Petrucci Video
by Kyrre <Kyrre.Trohjell@hit.uib.no>
3) Geddy Lee is a scalper?
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
4) Re: LTE chat
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Re: hall of fame inductees?
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419
by Anna Stiglic <stig8694@fredonia.edu>
7) Stern and DT (was RE: LTE chat)
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
8) "LIVE in the USA!"
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
9) Re: LTE chat
by "Daniel L. Diamond" <dldiamon@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
10) Importance of Lyrics
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
11) Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper?
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
12) Re: LTE chat
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
13) Indonesian cover
by "Dick" <dick_rascal@softhome.net>
14) FREEDOM OF MUSIC!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:16:52 +0300
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Ytsejam CD project!
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981113201652.009330a0@messagebox.com>
Heyee, Jammerz!
Some of you might pretty well remember that about half a year ago or even
more there started a project for the musicians on the Jam who wanted to put
together a CD with their songs.
I must admit that until now the project hadn't been quite succesfull and no
songs have been submitted.
I just think that there might be some people who are willing to take part
in this project - maybe you issed all the messages about it back when it
started or maybe you joined later, anyways, if yo feel like you are in for
that there's a mailing list for that:
1 - To SUBSCRIBE to the list send an e-mail to:
rbrito-ytsecd-request@ime.usp.br
With the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message or in
the subject line.
2 - To SUBMIT MESSAGES to the list, send them to:
rbrito-ytsecd@ime.usp.br
3 - To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list, send an e-mail to:
rbrito-ytsecd-request@ime.usp.br
With the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message or in
the subject line
Roger maintains that list!
Also, you might feel like checking a web-site for it at:
http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze/
It is sorta poor now, but I hope that if interest to this thing increases I
surely will make it all brand new and flashy, cause otherwise I see no use
in keeping up a site that is of absolutely no use for anybody!
cheers,
~Pete
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:27:13 +0100
From: Kyrre <Kyrre.Trohjell@hit.uib.no>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Petrucci Video
Message-ID: <364C6BE5.89ADC49F@hit.uib.no>
Someone was asking about the JP instructional video.
I have had it for a while, and I can only tell you: It rules!
It is completely unlike most other guitar videos that are out there.
If you are after a video that shows how to play DT songs, you=B4re in for
a disappointment, thoug.
Rock Discipline is about technique, and it covers most areas of soloing
technique through a bundle of exercises.
In between exercises, there are small live DT instrumental excerpts and
John raps about how he got started, influences, etc.
You don=B4t wanna miss this video, trust me!
Kyrre.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:37:58 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Geddy Lee is a scalper?
Message-ID: <4.1.19981113123512.00a614f0@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
For those of you who have Rush's Different Stages 3-CD set,
I want you all to open it, take out the case containing the
Hammersmith Odeon show, and look at the guy in the lower
right buying tickets from a scalper.
Doesn't that scalper look a little bit like....Geddy Lee? The
forehead looks a bit smaller and his eyes look a little bigger,
but that could be because of the expression he has on his face...
Anyways, I thought I'd throw that out there for you all.
-Bogie
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:48:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LTE chat
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981113124131.1786A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, CyberDuke wrote:
> On Howard Stern show:
>
> > Mike: Stern bashed us on the show for about 10 minutes once.
>
> What was this? Any more info? :) PLEASE!
>
When the Howard Stern show comes back from commercial, they always
play snippets of heavy songs to segue back into the show. A lot of the
times Howard drums his hands, comments on the songs, or sings along with
his Robert Plant/Led Zep "ah-ah-ahhhhhhhhhhh-ahhh" impression.
Well a couple of times, a few months after the Awake release, they
would use the intro to the Mirror/"Puppies on Acid" section. Each time,
Howard would say, "MAN! This rocks...." and start banging along to it.
Anyway, one of those times, he asked Fred who is was, and Fred replied,
"Dream Theater." Howard said, "cool, do we have any more of their stuff",
so they started playing portions of the songs.
So, they start with "The Mirror" and he was getting into it, then
the keyboard part came in, and he was like, "ugh, keyboards, that's so
gay" or something to that effect. He then started going into the
beginnings of the other songs, starting with 6:00, etc. Each time, keys
would come in, and he would skip to the next. The funny part was that he
mentioned that the drummer rocks (go MP!) that the keys were gay, and that
he wonders if anyone sings on the damn CD.
Basically, it ended up with Howard and Robin bagging on the CD,
saying that it was cool, but then turned out to be really lame. This,
based on about a total of 1:35 listening to the entire CD - typical
Howard.
It was pretty funny, but I wish he was able to listen to it a bit
more. I actually thought of sending in 15 seconds clips of DT songs for
them to pick from to play in those segments, esp. Met. when the drums kick
in after the intro....that would be awesome. Maybe I'll still do it.....
Anyway, that's the long version of the story,
Al
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u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:50:35 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: hall of fame inductees?
Message-ID: <364c716a2563001@mhub4.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199811130639.AAA15315@busprod.com>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> I've never heard a Bruce Springsteen song that did anything for me except
> give me an irresistable urge to yawn. He's an overhyped nothing as far as
> I'm concerned. I'd be willing to listen to anybody that has proof of any
> talent that he has that I've overlooked.
His talent isn't in instrumental pyrotechnics. His talent is in his lyrics first
and the ebb and tide of the instrumentation in his songs. The lyrics, in my
opinion, perfectly capture the feeling of an average American, both the young in
his early work and the slightly older in his later stuff. With the music, he's
great at creating moods, climaxes. Check out 'Born to Run' for an example.
-Brian
"You can't start a fire worryin' about your little
world fallin' apart." - Bruce Springsteen
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:03:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Anna Stiglic <stig8694@fredonia.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981113130000.4021A-100000@bluedevil.cc.fredonia.edu>
hey guys!!! i was just checking my email on yahoo, and i happened to
notice the little cdnow advertisement on the logout page that lists the
top ten sellers....and right up there with Sheryl Crow, Hole and Marilyn
Manson is our beloved DREAM THEATER (once in a livetime) at #6!!! this
made my day...i just wanted to let everyone share my joy. :)
have a good one...
<crawls back under her rock to resume observation mode>
Anna:)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:14:47 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Stern and DT (was RE: LTE chat)
Message-ID: <001d01be0f31$7f6210e0$de4756ce@p5-150>
While Stern once ripped on DT, they still use the beginning of The Mirror
for a bumper. One time awhile back, Stern commented that when the gates of
Hell finally opened on Earth, this is the music that would be playing. I
thought that was kind of amusing. I've heard him make positive comments
about it a couple of times since then.
I still think the band should go into the studio and play. A few live DT
tunes should change Stern's opinion of how "gay" the band sounds. And no
matter what, Stern is really the only reason to have a radio these days, as
the odds of hearing a good song on the radio are about as likely as the
Philadelphia Eagles making a stunning comeback and advancing to the
Superbowl...
Dave Thomas - Editor
Pixel Planet - Reviews of Books, Games, Comics, CDs, Movies, CG Software,
Programming Tools And More!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:25:37 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: "LIVE in the USA!"
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981113132537.0085465c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>So, you probably don't know many albums, because there's a HUGE
>amount of albums out there called Live in USA (for instance, the first one
>that springs to mind is King Crimson's).
Perhaps, but very few of them are recent releases, and even less are in the
'metal' category. Metal bands tend to record live albums overseas where
the crowds are *much* louder.
My roomate has an unusual skill -- I can be playing any bootleg and, based
on crowd noise alone, he can identify it as being European.
Believe it or not.
Brian "Ripley" Henderson
===================================
Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
His Faithful Bootleg Page:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/
===================================
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:39:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Daniel L. Diamond" <dldiamon@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LTE chat
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.981113133400.7451A-100000@markov.math.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Al Balkiewicz wrote:
> Howard would say, "MAN! This rocks...." and start banging along to it.
> Anyway, one of those times, he asked Fred who is was, and Fred replied,
> "Dream Theater." Howard said, "cool, do we have any more of their stuff",
> so they started playing portions of the songs.
>
> So, they start with "The Mirror" and he was getting into it, then
> the keyboard part came in, and he was like, "ugh, keyboards, that's so
> gay" or something to that effect. He then started going into the
> beginnings of the other songs, starting with 6:00, etc. Each time, keys
> would come in, and he would skip to the next. The funny part was that he
> mentioned that the drummer rocks (go MP!) that the keys were gay, and that
> he wonders if anyone sings on the damn CD.
I remember hearing something similar to this sometime this summer on the
Howard Stern show. It was probably the same time, but there was something
I distinctly remember that you didn't mention. They were playing the
beginning of "The Mirror" and Howard said that it sounded satanic or
something, with the rhythmic guitar work. He also said he felt like
sacrificing a cat. I thought that was pretty funny.
Daniel Diamond
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:12:30 -0000
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Importance of Lyrics
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE5ABA@LON01XBCAPGE>
Recently, several people were saying they didn't much care
about the lyrics in DT and other songs. I was having this discussion with
the Ptacek in May. Chris asked if James just hummed, would I be satisfied?
This is what I wrote back:
Actually, I do almost take that position. I like James
because his voice sounds like an instrument. Hell, if he's not using his
I&W voice, I can't tell what he's singing anyway. I don't need DT's lyrics
to be as profound as William Blake.
In fact I've been thinking about this since you wrote, and I
think my ideal lyrics would be something like Rainbow's 'Man on the Silver
Mountain.' First, I love that thick, taut, chunky guitar sound (why does
Ritchie always speed it up and change the phrasing when he plays it live?)
and that's the main thing for me. With the lyrics, Ronnie James Dio isn't
being very deep - 'I'm a wheel, I'm a wheel, I can roll, I can feel' is not
going to win the next Nobel prize for literature. But there are phrases
which evoke visions in me - I can see a video in my head.
'Come down with fire / Lift my spirit higher / Someone's
screaming my name / Come and make me holy again / I'm the man on the silver
mountain'
These make me think of the Burning Bush, all the legends of
Seers and lone prophets I've ever heard of, Jesus in the wilderness, the
Temptation of Saint Anthony, Stefan George, St Jerome... This is in all
probability stuff that RJD never thought about and isn't in the lyrics
themselves, but they evoke things in me... He's not trying to attain poetic
status with his lyrics (I hope). He's pulling levers in me that make the
song entertaining, but the lyrics don't contribute much to its artistic
quality really, however interesting his talent is in evoking stuff in
listeners. If Ronnie was singing the weather forecast, I'd still like the
song.
Flames anyone? (/me descends to 20,000 feet and dons
asbestos suit)
Oh, and for those who are interested, there's an interview
with Lars Ulrich in The Times today. It's on the website
www.the-times.co.uk <http://www.the-times.co.uk> , but you have to register,
which is boring.
And I'd like to hazard a guess at the Ice Queen's
identity...AnalogGal? Can you enlighten?
Jonathan
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 12:23:25 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper?
Message-ID: <199811132022.MAA20180@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>Doesn't that scalper look a little bit like....Geddy Lee? The
>forehead looks a bit smaller and his eyes look a little bigger,
>but that could be because of the expression he has on his face...
>
>Anyways, I thought I'd throw that out there for you all.
I'm fairly certain its him. :-) Look at his t-shirt. It's the Different
Stages tinkertoy.
If you look at the picture on the inside of the CD, from the old
Hammersmith show, you can see a tinkertoy Different Stages thing on the
right side of the stage.
Rush is great.
Andrew
dreamline@irc.dreamt.org
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|Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.|
|W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ |
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People who think of videos as an art form are probably the same people
who think Cabbage Patch Dolls are a revolutionary form of soft sculpture.
-FZ
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:50:31 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE chat
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981113205031.0128c048@earthlink.net>
> They were playing the
>beginning of "The Mirror" and Howard said that it sounded satanic or
>something, with the rhythmic guitar work. He also said he felt like
>sacrificing a cat. I thought that was pretty funny
Hey they didn't call the song Puppies on Acid for nothing.. the song gets
even darker with lyrics. DT making corporate radio with something other than
I&W songs... wow!=20
BrAd PlUmB
Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in
Houston and you like anime check us out! =20
Homepage Address: http://home.earthlink.net/~palpatine=20
NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/
"Can't you hear the screaming? The horrible screaming that men call
silence?" -Werner Hertzog, Das R=E4tzel von Kaspar Hauser
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New=
Hope
"High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but
they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse=20
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 04:10:17 +0700
From: "Dick" <dick_rascal@softhome.net>
To: "Ytse" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Indonesian cover
Message-ID: <000a01be0f4a$2d399ea0$02000003@centrin.bdg.centrin.net.id>
Mr Bungle wrote:
>>
I have some new mp3s on my DT covers site,
such as covers from the italian Onde Rock
(their whole live set from DT day in Italy
+Perfect Strangers and YYZ), covers from
Infinity, an Indonesian (!!!) band, Peruvian Skies,
Universal Mind solo part, etc.
Check them out at http://www.dtcovers.frag.hu
and please, please record some covers, I know
there is a lot of talented musician on the jam!
>>
WHAT....? Indonesian band cover DT?
wooohooo, I know it, DT must be very popular here...
But why there's no sign of OiaLT here yet <sigh>, at least Spock's The
Kindness of Stranger and SG's Tyranny just been released here though...
BTW, all the 3 Spock's album released here are under license from Victor
Entertaintment Japan, (Angra's and Impelliteri too), that kinda strange?
And anybody here know the band DJAM KARET?
And, oh, Mr Korg can I get the same shipment that Dr Mosh got, maybe you can
FedEx it here to my country....
Later then jammers,
Dick
Indonesian Jammer
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:04:16 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: FREEDOM OF MUSIC!
Message-ID: <19981113210417.18183.qmail@hotmail.com>
Thomas Forcier SAID:
>>>First off: why is Stick It Out even on here? Can I get a show of
hands of who thinks this is superior to either Double Agent or ColdFire?
Nobody? Yeah, I thought so...<<<
Here's one. I think it's better than Double Agent, even though DA
DOES rock out, but Stick It Out just kicks major ass and has a REALLY
cool drive. Macht. :)
>>>Also, I understand the cycle of live albums and how the album right
after the last live album is always
underrepresented, but Presto deserved more songs on here than this.
And like we needed another live version of CttH, or Tom Sawyer,
TSoR,etc.<<,
Well, I might normally agree with you if Presto didn't suck except
for 1 song which would be 'Scars'. That one rocks. But the album is not
even like Rush at all. They regain vitality with RTB, Counterparts
rules, and TFE is kind of weak too. But I may never even get Presto,
unless I just HAVE to have Scars...
But I do agree about new versions of (well, at LEAST) Tom Sawyer and
Spirit Of Radio (God. I love that song!).
"One likes to believe in the freedom of music"...
John Case <big breath of air> SAID:
>>>I think James should not have sung so well on Images and Words in the
Studio, cause now I'm going to be disappointed when he sings and
itdoesn't
live up to the superior singing on that best CD EVER. I don't think any
band could ever replicate Images and Words, not even Dream Theater,
unfortunately.<<<
But why would they want to clone it? Oh yeah, I'm one of the morons
who thinks FII is better. OK, I'll shut up. :)
Somebody else ... SAID: [SEE? It's BORING!]
>>>about Billy Joel getting hit by a fucking truck, I want you to think
of one
>thing. Ever hear the song Angry Young Man? Now, tell me this. If you
ever
>heard that song, or some of his other early unreleased shit, why
wouldyou
>say that? Yes, his later works do have a bad taste for me, but Billywas
my
>piano god until I met the likes of prog keyboardists, so back off.<<<
I think he was just pissed Rush didn't get in. Billy Joel didn't get
in because of any unreleased stuff, so I don't care if he gets hit or
not. The only cool song that _I_ know he did was "We didn't start the
fire"...
Now that I've said all that, I will respond to this post.
The Almighty O ranted and spewed lies about Kenneth Starr while
castrating his dog in the bathroom:
>>>"Some big 'O' pillaged and" blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAAAHH!
I tell you what, Maxie man, you're cool, but you don't have to prove it
all the fuckin' time. It will just be embarrassing when you run out of
ideas... so why don't you make it a habit: "John Doe wrote:"...<<<
Dude, I'm sorry if you take it personally. It's just a bunch of crap;
I don't mean anything by it. Sorry if it upsets you that bad.
But others do it and nobody cares. It's just too boring to put "said:
said: said: said: said: said: said:" all the time.
And so what if I start running out of ideas? Sometimes it's a little
slow (and I was thinking of chilling it anyway), but I'm stupid enough
to never run out. I just make up something stupid.
Lighten up, dude. I think pretty much everyone here is cool, and I'm
just being dumb anyway. You don't HAVE to read it.
But I'm a moron and I think it's funny. So :-p!
-maXimus Moronicus - Yipe yipe!
NP: Nikki Brooks - Dreams To Nightmares
Depeche Mode - The Singles 86>98
Dream Theater - Once In A LIVEtime
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