YTSEJAM Digest 4422
Today's Topics:
1) scalping geddy
by Thrak75@aol.com
2) Re: JL on OIAL
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
3) RE:Importance of Lyrics
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
4) DS Inside cover
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
5) Time to kill...
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
6) prog-metal vs. prog.
by "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
7) assorted
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
8) Re: DS Inside cover
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
9) Tinkertoys and what not / Different Stages
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
10) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4420
by "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
11) Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper?
by Tommer <tommer@execpc.com>
12) LaBrie/ Lemur Voice
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
13) VAST
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
14) YtseJam for classical Piano!!!
by YtseJamJMB@aol.com
15) Tasslehoff
by schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:01:53 EST
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: scalping geddy
Message-ID: <cbdfcfdf.364cac51@aol.com>
....just like the guy being lead off by the two guys in white doesn't look a
lot like alex, right?
very interesting. i'm trying to find neil in this, but have yet to notice,
unless that's him in the window next to the marquee.
wild koba
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba (updated 11/1/98)
"in my music, i'm trying to play the truth of what i am. the reason it's
difficult is because i'm changing all the time." -c. mingus
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:54:52 +0100
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: JL on OIAL
Message-ID: <v01510100b2726092abeb@[194.7.146.157]>
Previously, on the Ytsejam...
>> Magna Carta is the best label around except that they won't resign Lemur
>> Voice.
>
>And the small and slightly significant fact that they don't promote
>anything.
Haven't you noticed? We're doing the promoting for them. Think about it,
they release the stuff, we (Ytsejammers) find out about it on the Net,
and we tell everyone we know that doesn't have internet access. Magna
Carta should pay us for doing this :-)
Tony
CP: Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle <--BUY THIS CD! NOW!
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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, become critics."
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:58:23 +0100
From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE:Importance of Lyrics
Message-ID: <199811132258.XAA11992@online.no>
Jonathan wrote:
<<Chris asked if James just hummed, would I be satisfied?
Actually, I do almost take that position. I like James
because his voice sounds like an instrument. Hell, if he's not using his
I&W voice, I can't tell what he's singing anyway. I don't need DT's lyrics
to be as profound as William Blake.>>
I have to DISAGREE.
DT's lyrics is one of the reasons I like them!
I Don't think (I know!) I would have even bought theire
CD's. Because of James and the Lyrics (and of course the music)
I have all of them.
What I do agree with you on is that James uses his voice
like an instrument in an excellent way! He is great.
I am a drummer myself, but that doesn't mean I just listen
to Mike and his part of the songs. As a matter of fact, I think
James is a bigger reason for me to buy DT than Mike.
(You're great Mike, Don't get me wrong!)
All of that "James sounds horrible on Oial" stuff is from
people who probably havent even tried to get up to the
high notes (or whatever) that James sings all the time.
Try singing like James for an hour!
He's Just human! (a human GOD)
No hard feelings, just had to defend my beliefs!
NP: DT - OiaL
Chroma Key - DafR
(Switching)
Jonas Opsal
(Xident)
#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#
My DT page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt
NEW LOOK!
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:43:08 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <bogie@MIT.EDU>
Cc: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DS Inside cover
Message-ID: <19981113234634.XYY8960@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey,
Not only is Geddy the scalper, but Alex is being taken away in a
strait-jacket on the right, and in the second floor bay windows you can see
Neil. That's what I see at least. Just an FYI...
Stodge
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:01:12 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Time to kill...
Message-ID: <19981114000439.BHTL8960@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey all,
With the recent bashing of Springsteen and Joel, I had to comment. I am a
Rush fan, I used to be a Springsteen fan, and I have never liked Billy
Joel. Let those be qualifiers for what comes below.
Rush's music has been very influential to a select group of people. They
have never been consistent critical successes and have never gained popular
recognition. By the latter, I mean that while you can still hear Van
Halen's Jump and Frampton's Show Me the Way on popular radio, you won't
hear Rush. They do have a dedicated fan base that has insured their
financial success along with sales over the years. The people who vote at
the hall are not concerned with what fans think, they are concerned with
what their colleagues think. These are people in the media.
Springsteen has made some incredible music over the years (IMHO). His
music is driven by thematic lyricism and angst of many different levels.
Springsteen's hits (Born in the USA CD) are often his worst songs, as are
his attempts to gain critical approval (Tom Joad CD). His best work was his
most personal and "stripped down": Tunnel of Love, Nebraska, and Darkness
on the Edge of Town come to mind. But Springsteen was a media darling for
one huge reason: the people in the media thought themselves the equals, and
often the superiors of Springsteen. Its much easier for the media folks to
deify someone they view as less than them are because it makes THEM feel
more important. Keep in mind that many critics are people who aspired to be
what they criticize and failed.
Joel... I can't understand the appreciation of the man or his music. His
songs, though catchy, are annoying, are so repetitive (not just within a
song: his own songs sound too much alike), and his lyrics lack real
insight. And yes, I've heard back album stuff that was mentioned. Where
Springsteen's music was very personal at times, Joel never seemed to really
feel what he wrote was important; it was just an instrument to gain
popularity. As for the fella who mentioned the influence of his piano
playing, I'm glad he got you into the instrument, but you said yourself
that he was an influence befoer you heard prog-metal. To me, You seemed to
be saying that had you heard prog-metal first, Joel would not have
impressed you, and I think that's true.
There's my take... Like anyone got this far. :)
Stodgers
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:16:16 -0800
From: "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: prog-metal vs. prog.
Message-ID: <000101be0f85$85b8cb60$3e0b73cf@oemcomputer>
Whoops. I made a mistake in mentioning Insights and IAW as the best PROG
CDs instead of the best PROG-METAL CDs.
Well, in my opinion, I can't really classify them as metal. I think
Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer are the real metal artists. If any band
plays a ballad, how can they be metal?
Well, I should get a bunch more responses from that comment!
:-0
Jon
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:18:20 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: assorted
Message-ID: <199811140119.UAA13608@maila.wm.edu>
>Alex O'Connell wrote:
>> You wouldn't say "music is does" you know
>You don't know me... I once said "Ich hat eine Computern"... :-)
Hehehe...
That's funny. A female computer. :)
German is nifty.
as for some actual DTC, I don't own OiaL, don't have it on order, have not
heard anything off it. Actually I'd really be curious to hear some stuff,
but I haven't been able to tune in to ytseradio in a while (I have the
sneaking suspicion that's the only place I'd be able to hear any of it). I
just have no money right now, so I can't buy anything anyway. Although I
AM contemplating whether OiaL is really necessary... not a very heated
inner debate going on though :)
it's Friday night, and I actually have SOMEWHERE TO GO!! yeah baybee!!
rock on folks,
Alex
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:38:46 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: DS Inside cover
Message-ID: <4.1.19981113203828.00a50300@po7.mit.edu>
Yeah, I thought that was Alex being taken away in a straight jacket....
funky shit man!
-bogie
At 06:43 PM 11/13/98 -0500, Thomas Forcier wrote:
>Hey,
> Not only is Geddy the scalper, but Alex is being taken away in a
>strait-jacket on the right, and in the second floor bay windows you can see
>Neil. That's what I see at least. Just an FYI...
>
>Stodge
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:51:32 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Tinkertoys and what not / Different Stages
Message-ID: <4.1.19981113204018.00a5c220@po7.mit.edu>
Things I've noticed about the Different Stages artwork:
(Man, I've always loved Hugh Syme's artwork...)
Geddy Lee is scalping tickets in front of the Hammersmith Odeon.
Alex Lifeson is in a straight-jacket and being taken away by two
policemen. (At least, it looks a helluva lot like Alex.)
The tinkertoy appears all over the Hammersmith Odeon ... on the
jackets, posters, Geddy's T-shirt...
On the middle flap, you see the band saluting...not the crowd, but
the tinkertoy!
All three tour shots on the flaps are indeed "different stages"
(different tours)
On the front of the booklet insert, the guy at the bottom left has
the tinkertoy shaved into his head.
The guy to his right in the white shirt has a tinkertoy tattoo on his
arm and on his shirt.
The guy next to him has the tinkertoy on his jean shirt.
And, the inside of the booklet has various memoribilia from "different
stages" of Rush's career.
Hugh always seems to pack 'em in there, eh comrades?
-Bogie
>Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 12:23:25 -0800
>From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
>To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net>
>Subject: Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper?
>Message-ID: <199811132022.MAA20180@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>
>
>>Doesn't that scalper look a little bit like....Geddy Lee? The
>>forehead looks a bit smaller and his eyes look a little bigger,
>>but that could be because of the expression he has on his face...
>>
>>Anyways, I thought I'd throw that out there for you all.
>
>I'm fairly certain its him. :-) Look at his t-shirt. It's the Different
>Stages tinkertoy.
>
>If you look at the picture on the inside of the CD, from the old
>Hammersmith show, you can see a tinkertoy Different Stages thing on the
>right side of the stage.
>
>Rush is great.
>
>Andrew
>dreamline@irc.dreamt.org
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:46:49 -0800
From: "Jon Case" <JLCASE@prodigy.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4420
Message-ID: <000201be0f89$ca8e1d40$3e0b73cf@oemcomputer>
>
Dave wrote:
>>
> Hey guys,
>
> I've been lurking for a while but this sparked something in
> me...
>
> Jon Case Wrote :
> >I think James should not have sung so well on Images and Words in the
> >Studio, cause now I'm going to be disappointed when he sings and it
> doesn't
> >live up to the superior singing on that best CD EVER. I don't think
> any
> >band could ever replicate Images and Words, not even Dream Theater,
> >unfortunately.
>
> And then:
> > I really don't like Kevin Shirley as a producer. I haven't liked any
> of the sound
> > production on any....<snip>
>
> OH YAWN....
>
> Shirley is the producer at the moment - deal with it. They will not
> write another I&W - deal with it, I'm sorry but I just can't be doing
No, but at least can't we hear a good version of the IAW songs???
OK, Metropolis was good, but LTL, TTT, PMU are generally disappointing in
any version except the studio version. Hey -- they're REALLY tough songs to
perform!
> with this again...! The reason James is not "perfect" on OIAL is
> because he doesn't get to redo things in the studio (note the "Santa
> Claus" effect that Derek mentions on his web page when discussing Kiss
> Alive III). OIAL is a fucking awsome live album, it captures DT live,
It's a very good CD, but I think fucking awesome has to be left for Fates
Warning's "Still Life". Don't get me wrong, I'm still a bigger fan of Dream
Theater than any other band, but I'm becoming more of a Portnoy/Petrucci fan
rather than a Dream Theater fan. LTE is GREAT! Their instrumentals are
GREAT! Even Sherinian is making me forget Kevin Moore now, especially after
his performance on Explorer's Club. Way to go Derek!!
Anyway, back to "still life". I have to admit, Ray Alder SETS THE PRECEDENT
for live vocal performances on A pleasant shade of gray, live. He has
developed his voice SO WELL since NO EXIT (which I couldn't stand and had to
give it away). For anyone who wants to hear a superior prog-rock
performance, please listen to A Pleasant Shade of Gray on "Still Life".
> er...not in the studio. I think you may have something though...I do
> hope that the next cd has great songs on it but the performance is under
> par - then they can really wow us on the tour.
They DID WOW me when I saw them in Forth Worth. I think they could've
picked a better vocal performance for the CD.
and Matt Smith wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:00:19 -0500 (EST)
> From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
> Subject: Re: JL on OIAL
> Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981113105225.73094A-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> > When I saw them live in concert, I really don't remember James LaBrie
> > singing like shit. But I really think his singing sucks on this CD from
> > what I've heard so far.
>
> You know, I think Once in a LIVEtime is the most I've *ever* enjoyed
> James' singing. Okay, maybe other than the almighty Awake. I thought he
> sounded bloody GREAT. I really, really love OIAL. I was pretty sure
> it was gonna be great but it blew me away totally. The boys have outdone
> themselves again. Hail Dream Theater.
I guess you don't like understanding lyrics then, right? I STILL have to
look at the liner when I listen to "Caught in a Web".
>
> > Oh well, that's what prog underground on the internet is for.
> I can find
> > out about great new bands such as Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Lemur Voice,
> > Savatage, etc.
>
> Oh yeah, Savatage is really new.
>
No, but NEW Savatage releases are new and proggy. The Wake of Magellan
RULES!
> > Magna Carta is the best label around except that they won't resign Lemur
> > Voice.
>
> And the small and slightly significant fact that they don't promote
> anything.
Great music doesn't need promotion -- it will be found. Idealistically,
though..
Well, nobody said finding good music was easy. However, it is easier than
it used to be, now that we have the NET!!
Well, what I just said doesn't make sense, so take it with a grain of salt.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:17:13 -0600
From: Tommer <tommer@execpc.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper?
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981113201713.00689f10@mail.execpc.com>
Someone wrote:
For those of you who have Rush's Different Stages 3-CD set,
I want you all to open it, take out the case containing the
Hammersmith Odeon show, and look at the guy in the lower
right buying tickets from a scalper.
Doesn't that scalper look a little bit like....Geddy Lee?
*snip*
Yup, that's him! You so smaht! Check out the guy bein' hauled away in a
straight jacket...and, look at the dood in the top right, lookin' at you
out one of the windows.
DS has a lot of hidden tinkertoys in the artwork. Instead of "Where's
Waldo?", it's "Where's Tinkertoy?" huh huh
-Tom
mailto:tommer@execpc.com
ICQ# 15240956
"I can learn to resist...anything but temptation..."
-- Neil Peart, 1996
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:34:51 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LaBrie/ Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <364CEC4B.51DB1929@home.com>
Jon Case wrote:
> I don't know why LaBrie pronounces words so poorly on the live performances.
> He sounds like an idiot when he sings "buhleeve" instead of believe, among
> many other lyrics in take the time and scarred. Oh and another one: Spake
> instead of speak, bake instead of back on Voices.
and (in the same message) also wrote:
> Magna Carta is the best label around except that they won't resign Lemur
> Voice. This band has the best vocals and instrumentals next to Images and
> Words, IMO.
OK. First of all, you're entitled to your opinion, and I respect that.
Personally though, I'm rather happy with James' performance on OiaL.
The thing that gets me, is that you say James' pronounciation is
bad...... but you think the LV singer has good pronounciation? I think
LV is pretty cool, and the music is very good - but it's the single
worst pronounciation on a CD that I've EVER heard, IMO.
I LITERALLY (not being a smartass here.... this is the truth) listened
to the whole "Insights" CD once through without realizing it was in
English. Seriously, I thought the CD was in a different language.
Fortunately, I looked in the liner notes, and saw English lyrics listed,
so I listened VERY CLOSELY the second time through, and I was able to
make out a whopping 5 or 10 words through the whole CD.
My 2 cents,
- Joe D.
jdeangelo@home.com
Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
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Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand
Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying
'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare
Reveal the Word when you're supposed to"
- Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:29:50 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: VAST
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498090A8@messaging>
<Has anyone heard of VAST (Visual Audio Sensory Theater)?
It's on the listening station at Tower.
It sounds to me like a heavier Chromakey with some Deep Forest
type world music beats thrown in.
Thought some of you might like it.>
Oh, hell yeah! I LOVE this disc - I found out about it cruising Elektra's
website, heard two sound clips, and had it FedEx'ed from CDNow, then got it
the next morning. It's great - I never actually made the connection to
ChromaKey, but it sure does sound like it. It's Jon Crosby (and only Jon
Crosby) playing every single instrument on the album (and vox) except drums,
which are sometimes programmed and sometimes played by a real guy, whose
name escapes me right now. Anyway, it's basically a cross between CK and
NIN, with a symphony, world beats, and Gregorian chant all over the disc.
It's great for those of you who are willing to stray from our basic prog
feast and check out some new shit...
David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:49:35 EST
From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: YtseJam for classical Piano!!!
Message-ID: <803c8479.364cefbf@aol.com>
I suggest that all of you drop what you are doing right now and check out
YtseJam done by the keyboardist for Serenity (sorry I can't remember his
name). It is all of YtseJam done on Piano. Every part except drums of
course. It blew me away. I don't know the URL, but just go to UACM and go
under SOUNDS...then hit the site that says DT Covers. Anyway...just thought
I would let you know about it. It fucking Rules!!!
Peace,
Justin
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:12:55 -0600
From: schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Tasslehoff
Message-ID: <19981113.220948.9742.12.schnapster@juno.com>
>Actually, he looks more like Tasslehoff Burrfoot with a bad case of bed
head...
Kick ass, Tasslehoff is probably my favourite character from the
Dragonlance series :).
Dale R> Newberry
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