YTSEJAM Digest 4423
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4422
by AyameYuki@aol.com
2) JP Video
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
3) Re: YtseJam for classical Piano!!!
by JamesAhab@aol.com
4) Ray Alder / Savatage
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) LaBrie, yadda yadda...
by Riffinator@aol.com
6) ** NEW BETTER PRICE ON DT HAT and STICKERS
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
7) Dream Theater Ytse STICKER/HAT better deal!!********
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
8) Re: prog-metal vs. prog.
by JamesAhab@aol.com
9) Re: LTE chat
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) Who taped the Kings X show in Atlanta?(NDTC)
by Darth1@aol.com
11) Kings X Review
by Darth1@aol.com
12) Re: YtseJam for classical Piano!!!
by Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
13) Marc van der Wal - please contact me
by Markus Tenberge <markus.tenberge@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
14) Re: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4420
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
15) well
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
16) Re: well
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
17) METAL?
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
18) You can please some of the people some of the time...
by I-Man <inavarro@mdo.net>
19) Best rock movie of all times
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
20) I JUST PAID $70 for a SABBATH ticket
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:25:55 EST
From: AyameYuki@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4422
Message-ID: <c7e3df0e.364d0653@aol.com>
hey...i just got back from the mall.....i got ACOS and OIAL. im somewhat
dissapointed in OIAL's 2nd disc...i know its live..but it sounds totally
awful..the vocals seem to tired..and they speak almost half of the
lyrics....no offense..but its bad news on the vocals..but it has what i want "
less vocals, more support "
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:25:37 -0600
From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: JP Video
Message-ID: <364D1445.17679915@bigplanet.com>
> And finally:Does anyone have the John Petrucci instructional video?
> Is it good?Tell me about it!
It's pretty damn cool. he does a lot on warming up (including some
exercises without the guitar!) and lead playing: ways to get your speed
up, small phrases to string together for longer leads, and stuff like
that. There's also a part at the end where he gives a tour of his
Awake-era rig, with that badass rack full of gear. it's pretty cool.
definitely check it out,it's helped my playing quite a bit.
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:34:51 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YtseJam for classical Piano!!!
Message-ID: <f0e45f5f.364d167b@aol.com>
>< I suggest that all of you drop what you are doing right now and check out
YtseJam done by the keyboardist for Serenity (sorry I can't remember his
name). It is all of YtseJam done on Piano. Every part except drums of
course. It blew me away. I don't know the URL, but just go to UACM and go
under SOUNDS...then hit the site that says DT Covers. Anyway...just thought
I would let you know about it. It fucking Rules!!! ><
I have to agree, it is one of the most amazing pieces of music I've ever
heard. The guy must have 10 hands! It's not human. Someone burned a copy on
CDR for me a few months ago, I've been wondering who was playing. Is it on any
official Serenity albums?
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:40:28 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Ray Alder / Savatage
Message-ID: <364D17CC.75FADCD7@home.com>
Jon Case wrote:
> Anyway, back to "still life". I have to admit, Ray Alder SETS THE PRECEDENT
> for live vocal performances on A pleasant shade of gray, live.
You've got that right. He's unbelievable on Still Life. Have you
gotten the video yet? He's AT LEAST as good on the vid as on Still
Life.
> No, but NEW Savatage releases are new and proggy. The Wake of Magellan
> RULES!
Amen to that! "The Wake of Magellan", and "Dead Winter Dead" both rank
up there very high on my all-time favorite CDs list. "Handful of Rain"
isn't far behind them, either. And while I'm at it, "Edge of Thorns" is
great too (but not as awesome as the above CD's). Everybody should also
check out their Trans-Siberian Orchestra discs, "The Christmas Attic",
and "Christmas Eve and Other Stories".
> Well, nobody said finding good music was easy. However, it is easier than
> it used to be, now that we have the NET!!
Amen once again. If not for the 'net...... I would be so musically
lost!
- Joe D.
jdeangelo@home.com
Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat
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Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand
Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying
'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare
Reveal the Word when you're supposed to"
- Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci)
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:45:46 EST
From: Riffinator@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LaBrie, yadda yadda...
Message-ID: <62feb8e0.364d190a@aol.com>
Jon Case Wrote :
> >I think James should not have sung so well on Images and Words in the
> >Studio, cause now I'm going to be disappointed when he sings and it
> doesn't
> >live up to the superior singing on that best CD EVER. I don't think
> any
> >band could ever replicate Images and Words, not even Dream Theater,
> >unfortunately.
All this negative talk about KJLB is reminding me of comments that people have
stated as "their reason for not liking DT". I myself appreciate and respect
LaBrie's voice.....even though it did take quite a while for me to get
adjusted to his high range, back in the days. Even though I'm not a vocalist
(just another guitar player :-)....I can enjoy his singing now because I know
it's purely talented and professional, and it has grown on me in such a way
that I couldn't imagine DT with any other singer. Unfortunately, the average
eMpTyV watcher couldn't even begin to comprehend the musicianship behind
LaBrie's voice without saying "Dude, this is like totally 80's!". Every time
I play DT for a friend, I get replies like "Oh man this is awesome, tight-
sounding.....but their singer just ruins it!" It seems like a lot of people
are turned off to DT b/c of LaBrie's voice. Anyone else notice this? If
LaBrie ever got booted (which will NEVER happen I hope)....maybe DT could mesh
with the unemployed Chris Cornell....he does have a unique tone and a decent
range. (Please take note that the previous statement was NOT meant to endorse
Cornell....just a thought). Long live Labrie!
Drew
"I'm just not in the fucking mood." -Petrucci :-)
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:19:33 -0800
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: ** NEW BETTER PRICE ON DT HAT and STICKERS
Message-ID: <199811140618.BAA08336@smtp0.atl.mindspring.net>
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Attn all Ytsejamers- (DT STUFF now even better deal!!)))
THE new HAT AND new STICKERS ARE NOW ON SALE****** SAVE even MORE $$!
NEW LOWER PRICES.. Plus ENTER A DRAWING for FREE stuff!!!!!!
Check out: www.dreamt.org (merchandise) or
www.trsgroup.com (direct link)
SAVE money NOW!! JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:20:45 -0800
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dream Theater Ytse STICKER/HAT better deal!!********
Message-ID: <199811140619.BAA08218@smtp0.atl.mindspring.net>
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(sorry for double post)
Attn all Ytsejamers- (DT STUFF now even better deal!!)))
THE new HAT AND new STICKERS ARE NOW ON SALE****** SAVE even MORE $$!
NEW LOWER PRICES.. Plus ENTER A DRAWING for FREE stuff!!!!!!
Check out: www.dreamt.org (merchandise) or
www.trsgroup.com (direct link)
SAVE money NOW!! JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:26:58 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: prog-metal vs. prog.
Message-ID: <d04ead5c.364d22b2@aol.com>
>< Well, in my opinion, I can't really classify them as metal. I think
Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer are the real metal artists. If any band plays
a ballad, how can they be metal? ><
metallica has a ton of ballads. megadeth has a good amount too
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:32:56 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE chat
Message-ID: <fcbcd14c.364d2418@aol.com>
>< The funny part was that he mentioned that the drummer rocks (go MP!) that
the keys were gay, and that he wonders if anyone sings on the damn CD.
Basically, it ended up with Howard and Robin bagging on the CD, saying that it
was cool, but then turned out to be really lame. This, based on about a total
of 1:35 listening to the entire CD - typical Howard.
It was pretty funny, but I wish he was able to listen to it a bit more. I
actually thought of sending in 15 seconds clips of DT songs for them to pick
from to play in those segments, esp. Met. when the drums kick in after the
intro....that would be awesome. Maybe I'll still do it..... ><
He'd hate the vocals, I'm sure
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 03:08:52 EST
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Who taped the Kings X show in Atlanta?(NDTC)
Message-ID: <51b205dc.364d3a94@aol.com>
I'm looking for the guy that taped the Kings X / Galactic Cowboys show at the
Cotton Club in Atlanta last Wednesday. I was listening to it out back by your
car after the show with Paul Cashman, Phil Carter and another friend of mine.
I want a copy of that boot very much! (So, does my friend)... That version of
"A Box" that they did was incredible and the crowd response and singing was
totally cool.
So, if you are that guy, please email me: Darth1@aol.com.
Sorry to waste space on the JAM for this, but it was essential...
Josh S.
> Join the Klingon Army, meet interesting humanoids from amazing alien races,
> then kill them...
NP: Ocean Machine - Funeral
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 03:35:33 EST
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Kings X Review
Message-ID: <ca6351f2.364d40d5@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/12/98 12:06:57 PM Central Standard Time, Phil writes:
> King's X: A hell of a great band to see live
Thanks for the review Phil. I was gonna do one if nobody else did it. You beat
me to the punch!
Josh S.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8435 - my new Prog rock page...
check it out!
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:12:56 +0100
From: Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YtseJam for classical Piano!!!
Message-ID: <364D81D8.A0356CC8@speed.eik.bme.hu>
Justin,
thanks for the kind words about my little piano cover.
It's nice to see that someone appreciate my work.
The url is, as I mentioned a few jams before:
http://www.dtcovers.frag.hu
I have some new mp3s there, just check out
eg. Universal Mind solo part!
Cheers,
Bungle
> I suggest that all of you drop what you are doing right now and check out
> YtseJam done by the keyboardist for Serenity (sorry I can't remember his
> name). It is all of YtseJam done on Piano. Every part except drums of
> course. It blew me away. I don't know the URL, but just go to UACM and go
> under SOUNDS...then hit the site that says DT Covers. Anyway...just thought
> I would let you know about it. It fucking Rules!!!
>
> Peace,
> Justin
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:26:23 -0100
From: Markus Tenberge <markus.tenberge@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Marc van der Wal - please contact me
Message-ID: <199811141327.FAA28427@knight.axnet.net>
Sorry to post it to the jam ...
.. but unfortunately I deleted your e-mail-address, so please Marc contact
me (don't worry, I got your letter today!).
Thanks!
Markus
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:31:26 +0300
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4420
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981114163126.0097e7f0@messagebox.com>
>No, but at least can't we hear a good version of the IAW songs???
>OK, Metropolis was good, but LTL, TTT, PMU are generally disappointing in
>any version except the studio version. Hey -- they're REALLY tough songs to
>perform!
Gotta disagree here!live versions of LTL from TDoE and LitS are simply
awesome and
I dare say that I even like them a bit more than the studion versions. As
well as
TTT on every boot that I have!!! PMU - well, I just can't listen to the
song anymore,
I bet I had enough of it when I got my copy of I&W this song was my fav
for some time!
>
>>
>
>No, but NEW Savatage releases are new and proggy. The Wake of Magellan
>RULES!
YEAH!!!!!!!
>
>> > Magna Carta is the best label around except that they won't resign Lemur
>> > Voice.
>>
>> And the small and slightly significant fact that they don't promote
>> anything.
>
>Great music doesn't need promotion -- it will be found. Idealistically,
>though..
And they don't seem to be making a lot of touring for their artists neither!
>
>Subject: Tasslehoff
>Message-ID: <19981113.220948.9742.12.schnapster@juno.com>
>
>
>>Actually, he looks more like Tasslehoff Burrfoot with a bad case of bed
>head...
>Kick ass, Tasslehoff is probably my favourite character from the
>Dragonlance series :).
Can anyone here angilghten me as to when the original Dragonlance books
were published?
I only know that the first Russian translation was something like 6-8 years
ago...
cya later, guys!
~Pete
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:36:32 -0600
From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: well
Message-ID: <364D9570.9810B58A@wavetech.net>
Rogerio bragged:
>Hummm... Why didn't you try www.dereksherinia.com? That's the one
>I tried (well, I tried the obvious) and it worked.
Well, sir, you're a better man than I...
-Taur
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:20:47 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: well
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811141419000.10356-100000@jaca>
On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, Kyle McCabe wrote:
> Rogerio bragged:
> >Hummm... Why didn't you try www.dereksherinia.com? That's the one
> >I tried (well, I tried the obvious) and it worked.
>
> Well, sir, you're a better man than I...
Ooops! It's obvious that there's an "n" missing in what I wrote.
:-) Anyway, thank you very much for recognizing my superiority. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:43:42 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: METAL? Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498090B0@messaging>
<<<Well, in my opinion, I can't really classify them as metal. I think Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer are the real metal artists. If any band plays a ballad, how can they be metal?>>>
Well, I thought I'd throw one out there:
OK, you call Metallica and Megadeth metal, but there can't be any ballads?? Have you heard "A Tout Le Monde", "Fade to Black", "Nothing Else Matters", etc.? Some of the best ballads I've ever heard, I'll tell you that much...
David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:14:48 -0500 From: I-Man <inavarro@mdo.net> To: DT Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: You can please some of the people some of the time... Message-ID: <364DC897.4D311F70@mdo.net>
Hey everyone,
Just some general stuff to claim some bandwidth:
As far as Rush and the RaRHoF - someone posted one of the eligibility requirements as 25 years after the release of their first album. Well, Rush's debut album was released in 1974, which by my calculations was 24 years ago. Better we wait until next year before we start bitching too much :) Hey if they don't make it, who the fuck cares, everyone on this list knows what Rush has meant to the rock music scene and specially Prog-Rock. And after all we are the only ones whose opinions' matter anyway! (This thought process can be applied to DT on the radio as well)
Different Stage - Very cool CD, including the art. A couple of observation; I hate those shitty cardboard covers, and what the fuck am I supposed to do with disc 3? I know I'm supposed to listen to it, but it just falls right out of the packaging- give me a break! As far as song selection, when you have the amount of material Rush has, someone's always going to feel like they could've done better with the set list. I thought the set list was a pretty fair representation of the TfE tour I saw. Can you imagine DT not playing PMU even on their fourth live CD? That's how I think Rush approaches CttH and tSoR and maybe some others, they just have to include them, oh well MHO. As for Presto, I love SDT and think the live version absolutely kicks ass (Geddy is a wild man!), but as for the rest of the album I didn't miss any of the other songs, sorry. However, Max, I own the album. You should get it, borrow it, whatever, but give it a chance before bashing it (if you did, than that's OK, I apologize and that's your opinion which you are entitled to).
OiaLT/JLBs voice - JLB's voice on OiaLT is not perfect and I don't think anyone can dispute that. I think OiaLT is a very good album, which captures DT live in a very honest manner, which means warts and all. To me, the criticisms I have about OiaLT are the same one's I have about their live sound, so to me it just proves what a faithful representation of their live performance it is.
In listening to Rush DS disc 3 I am amazed at how awesome Geddy's voice during the old Rush days. I realize that is exactly the reason Rush wasn't popular with more people in the early years but hey to me that was the best Geddy. By contrast I think his singing on 2112 at the end of disc 1 just sucks. But what the fuck, it's not like he's going to belt it out like he did in the past. If he'd have kept that up, his career would've been over by 1980! Where am I going with this, well I'll tell yah - Have you noticed JLB sounds just totally awesome on the FII tracks of OiaLT? Well I personally think he sounds much better on those songs. Maybe he could take a lesson learned from Geddy, and just change the song when his voice can handle the note. Of course then he'll be criticized for that too! Oh well, ...but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
APSoG - Terry Brown is Da Man! APSoG is an amazingly produced album as where the early rush albums, IMO. He has my vote to produce everyone's music as far as I am concerned, if you get my drift. I guess Still Life will round out an unbelievable year of Live albums.
Enough.
Caio, I-Man
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:30:47 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytse jam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Best rock movie of all times Message-ID: <001c01be0ff8$a2622680$13710ed1@matiasfr>
Hi Jamerssss!! Yesterday I saw for 134 times the movie "THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME" and i have to say is the best movie i ever see!!!! Are you agree? See ya!! P.D.:I think Portnoy is agree with me! Matija.
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:14:20 -0800 (PST) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: I JUST PAID $70 for a SABBATH ticket Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981114111139.17018B-100000@bogart.umail.ucsb.edu>
Sabbath/Pantera tickets at the Forum in LA went on sale today. Floor seats were $65 a piece and the a $5 fee. We got 11th row though.
Has anyone seen DEATH on their recent tour. I want to go and check out HAMMERFALL play.
-- Conrad Chi uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu
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