YTSEJAM Digest 4430
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4425
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
2) Angra - concert review
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
3) Re: Dragonlance (absolutely no DT content)
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
4) Screamers
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
5) Superior Shirts
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
6) Vocals...
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
7) Re: James and 'ah'
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
8) Dragonlance Concept CD
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
9) Re: Dragonlance concept CD
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
10) ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
11) LaBrie solo/side project?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) Gay people on 5yiaL
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
13) Dragonlance concept CD
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
14) Mr. LaBrie
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
15) Stuff to look for in 5yial !!!
by IceQD@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4422
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
17) Re: Mr. LaBrie
by "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:34:51 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4425
Message-ID: <36516D6B.352AFC65@mol.com.mk>
Everybody now go back and read
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:59:03 EST
> From: Uroborosss@aol.com
> Subject: Disappointment
from the digest 4425!!!!
Way to go Bafu!
This is it, the sock in mouth to all those who's only is to complain
about the live albums, the vocals, the keys, the hairstyles, boots, the
Magna Carta production...
I suggest this post to be included in the digests from time to time! :)
CyberDuke
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:30:29 -0200
From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Angra - concert review
Message-ID: <001a01be0e2f$efce9ea0$afffe6c8@bretel>
Angra, just played they very first show from the Fireworks tour here in Sao
Paulo (Brazil).
The gig was held at the same venue(Olympia) where both Yngwie J. Malmsteen
and Deep Purple recorded their lastest live albuns.
The show had a GREAT production, the lights were beyond Cool (better that
most foreigner acts), the sound was ok, there were dancers before the show
playing with sticks on fire (way cool !), Angra played for more than 2 hours
for more than 4000 people.
The set list was based on Fireworks, and they even covered Judas Priest's
Painkiller and Iron Maiden's Run to the Hills.
One of highlights, was when Angra personified Nightmare Cinema, and switched
instruments, Kiko played drums, Luis and Ricardo played guitars, Andre
played bass and Rafael singed (with a ridiculous wig and sunglasses), the
played Judas Priest's Living After Midnight (and it sounded really cool)
Lowpoints - for the first time, they didn't played Time here in Brazil, and
some feedbacks from Andre's mic.
Gilberto
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:41:47 -0600
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Dragonlance (absolutely no DT content)
Message-ID: <365225DB.168D@rollanet.org>
Dragonlance is a great compilation... It harnesses many things within
it, the obvious good vs. evil, and the more subtle things, sibling
rivalry, the meak, the powerful, the struggle of one soul, the struggle
of many... I read it at least every 6 months, all 7 books(the main ones)
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:44:49 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Screamers
Message-ID: <002101be1230$72054230$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
at the risk of making myself more unpopular than I already am, let me ask a
question about screaming vocalists. OK, the guys (no names mentioned) can
do all the high wailing stuff in the studios, no problem, but because they are
only
human (as has often been pointed out), they sometimes have problems coming
up with the goods on the night. They are doing something on the album that they
know they may not be able to pull in a live situation - so why the fuck do they
think it necessary to do all the castrato wailing in the first place? This style
of
vocals has put me off many bands that have otherwise played good music (just
think of my review of Rhapsody's first album - good music but a "singer" that
makes me want to commit first degree murder, and hence my rating of 2/10).
If you want high pitched vocals, get a woman to do the job. Or put it another
way - let's suppose these guys are surgeons who can pull off a very tricky
operation once in a while under perfect conditions with a well coordinated
team of nurses and assistants, but who may well screw it up when working
at your local hospital with local staff: how happy would you be to know that
one of these guys is just about to start cutting you open? My case rests.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Stigmata IV - The Court Of Eternity
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:48:44 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Superior Shirts
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981117144844.00818860@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hey!
I know I shouldn't use the jam for this but well... I'll do it
fast, ok? :)
*Ad on* :)
I just wanted to tell everybody who is interested in Superior,
that we have NEW T-SHIRTS now. :) You can have a look at the
design at http://www.truemetal.org/superior
While you're there and notice that not all the links are working...
I already know it. :) I will fix that soon.
All the people from the USA who are interested in getting a shirt
or longsleeve, please email Paul Cashman at vanyel@crl.com and
tell him. I'll do that 'selling thing' again with him. :) That
means, he will collect your orders and I will send the shirts in
one parcel to him. That saves us costs for shipment.
If you are not from the USA or anywhere else over the big ocean [:)]
and interested in getting a shirt, email me at younique@gmx.net
*Ad off*
Thanks.
DTC: DT rules. :)
Bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior have a look at:
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com
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If you're good, you solve your problems. If you're better you have none.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:55:24 -0600
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Vocals...
Message-ID: <3652290C.283C@rollanet.org>
heh, enough said... someone stated that singing live involves giveing
more amplitude to cut through... not necessarily so.. I'm a drummer, an
ok guy at keys, and run sound as well... the amplitude thing all
depends on how well the monitor system is set up, AND how well yer sound
man is at leaving HEADROOM in the PA for vocals... certain effects
applications can increase headroom, while others can decrease it, etc.
it also depends on the SIZE of the club, hall, etc. When the monitors
are pumping at 100%, the singer hears and feels his voice, hence, he can
kick more ass, or NOT blow his vocal chords away... now, singing on key
ALL the time is a different story... I'm not a singer, but I've played
with quite a few, and it has to do with the weather, the singer's
health, how he warms up, the tightness of his band can greatly affect a
front man's abilities, or lack thereof... no singer will EVER hit 100%
of his notes, just as a drummer won't always hit EVERY single little
nuance of every song the same time, every time, nor guitarists, or
bassists... It's part of the live experience, It's HUMAN...
Tom Cox
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:56:57 -0700
From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: James and 'ah'
Message-ID: <HDOCPOOJIAEGMAAA@my-dejanews.com>
>It's a vocal technique. Gets air moving through
>vocal chords before you have to actually put notes
>out. It's much easier to slide up to a high
>note than it is to just belt it out right as you
>begin to exhale. You're supposed to do it silently,
> but it's difficult to think of everything in
>the middle of a song. :) Take care...
I don't know the first thing about this technique, but it makes perfect sense.
As to whether or not it's silent: How is remembering not to voice the actual sound any more difficult than a wind player using cirular breathing? Or learning to type for that matter? After a while you just DO it - thought goes out the window.
Mike Patrick
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:28:47 -0500
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Cc: "'jdeangelo@home.com'" <jdeangelo@home.com>
Subject: Dragonlance Concept CD
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC291843@HAMSXHA2>
>OK.... here's a hypothetical question for you Dragonlance/ progmetal
>fans:
>Who would YOU choose to do a Dragonlance concept album? Blind
>Guardian? Savatage? Dream Theater? Fates Warning? WHO? I'd have to
>give it some thought, but off the cuff my pick would be Savatage.
What about Royal Hunt? Or Iced Earth? Personally, I think my top pick'd have
to be Royal Hunt. D.C.could just kick so much ass singing about Tanis
Half-Elven, man....
>The only thing that would rule more than a Dragonlance concept album
>would be one based on some of Michael Moorcock's books.
I'd actually like to see a concept album about Jack Chalker's "Demons at
Rainbow Bridge" series. Or maybe a concept album about Fahfrd and the Grey
Mouser....
- Nick
NP: Steve Morse Band: Structural Damage
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:10:27 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Dragonlance concept CD
Message-ID: <4.1.19981117091010.009321d0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Joe D., liking my idea, inquired:
>Who would YOU choose to do a Dragonlance concept album? Blind
>Guardian? Savatage? Dream Theater? Fates Warning? WHO? I'd have to
>give it some thought, but off the cuff my pick would be Savatage.
Seeing as how Glass Hammer has a kickass Tolkien concept album (Journey of
the Dunadan, go get it!) under their belts already, I think they'd be an
excellent choice for a Dragonlance concept disc. Unfortunately, most people
don't know how great Glass Hammer is because they get little publicity.
Failing that, I think Symphony X would fit excellently well; their
sci-fi/fantasy inspired imaginations would do well with the DL saga.
Savatage doesn't quite fit in my mind because they are more into the
real-world stuff rather than fantasy and sci-fi stuff ("Hall of the
Mountain King" notwithstanding). Blind Guardian would of course be an
excellent choice though I'm not sure if any of them is familiar with the DG
mythos.
Brad P. remarked:
>I would like to see The Wheel of Time done as
>a concept album as well.. that would rock.
And it would have to be 15 CDs long. And the story isn't finished yet. :)
ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:34:20 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: yts <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content)
Message-ID: <3651A58C.3B54@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Ok, borrowed a disc from a friend entitled:
Show Me What You Can Do
by:
Frank Gambale
Stu Hamm
Steve Smith
It's one of those LTE like get togethers, this one realizing 9 songs in
9 days. This is some whacked out fusion, peeps. If you like the
experimental sides of jazz fusion, don't even think twice. The music
contains some over the top, out there, shiz! Beginning right with the
first track, you leave normal space fairly quickly. (From the liner
notes Frank writes: "there's plenty of testosterone here - manly music
played by manly men!!!") :)
Frank Gambale at times seems to be the result of gene splicing
McGlaughlin and Holdsworth. His own DNA is quite unstable, too.
Stu Hamm?
*sigh*
Stu Hamm. After seeing him play with Satch recently, about all I can say
is that this disc features so much more of Stu than I saw. Although
Stu's solo was jaw dropping (the crowd is heard chanting STUUUUU
afterwards :), a recent post stating that the musicians playing behind
Satch are not as prominent was fairly accurate. Not that this is a bad
thing; it shows he is a class act, being able to play the support role.
On SMWYCD, however, he shines.
I really can't even comment on Steve Smith because he just scares me too
much...
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LaBrie solo/side project? Message-ID: <19981117170840.5712.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
Anyone hear anything about LaBrie working on a new side project? (Maybe it's that R&B ballads recording that's gonna make him millions and get him a Grammy...)
]From the S-X list: ---------
-According to singer James LaBrie, DREAM THEATER will get back together after the New Year and begin writing their new album. However, LaBrie is working on another project called ELYSIAN "meaning: like a paradise; blissful. It seems to sum up what music and the whole writing process makes me feel a bit of. Even though alot of stress also comes with the territory". -DCA Recordings will be releasing
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:09:38 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Gay people on 5yiaL Message-ID: <199811171709.SAA11196@online.no>
Someone wrote:
>> In 5YIAL, when DT is playing in Finland, there's a scene where Mike >> Portnoy >> is >> talking with Pantera's drummer. If you noticed in the background, >>there are >> a couple of guys >> talking, and suddenly, one of them kiss another.
And then someone asked: >Was one of them Derek? :)
So now I have to ask: Why do you wanna know? Jealous?
Jonas Opsal (Xident) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "me and jonas lost at sea" -Chroma Key
MY DT page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:52:21 +0000 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dragonlance concept CD Message-ID: <36517183.C5E06080@mindspring.com>
I'd have to say KITARO featuring FATES WARNING as his back-up band.
Scott M.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:53:37 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mr. LaBrie Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498090C1@messaging>
Hey Jammerz-
Well, my post, in essence, today, is the complete opposite of what we here at the Jam call "a bitch". (anyone catch that movie reference?) I'd like to address the "LaBrie issue". Someone here mentioned that those bitching about LaBrie aren't vocalists themselves - and I couldn't agree more. I happen to be a vocalist of much the same style, and of much the same musical/educational background. LaBrie studied with a world-renouned opera coach for 4 years. I think he knows what he's doing. Every little thing he gets criticized for is technically correct, and helps him hit those notes up in the stratosphere. First, when he sticks out his tongue on the high notes, that's only to create more open space in the throat so he can sing louder, brighter, and more forward. When he sings AHHH-VOICES like that, he's doing something my voice coach calls "breathing the vowel". You have the placement for one vowel already in your mouth when you switch to the next, and when you have to sing as loud as he does, it's far easier and less strenuous on the voice to actually sing that note instead of breathing it. And about diction? Go listen to Pavarotti and tell me if you can understand a word he's saying when he sings really high. And I have no doubt that James can sing higher than him. The entire I&W album is way high (and perfect in every way, as far as the vocal performance goes). When you sing high, you MUST concentrate on the breath support first, the placement second, the tone third, and the diction/lyrics LAST. Though DT's lyrics are very cool and very interesting (and one of the main reasons I love DT), LaBrie's function is more of an instrument than to convey the lyrics, IMO. Vocalists are fucking human, and have fucking bad nights, just like when Petrucci misses a 256th note here and there, and Portnoy gets a tiny bit off on a really long 12th note double bass run, NO BIG DEAL. And about Ray Alder, I've seen him have a pretty bad night, and his bad nights are sure worse than James'. Also, if any of you are worried that James is losing his range, go listen to New Millenium. Listen to the background (octave doubled) vox at about 8:00, when he sings the words "The tide is turning now baby". Yup, that's a HIGH G. His highest note on I&W was an F# at about 7:00 in LtL when he does that cool incrementing duet. I don't know about Awake, but on ACoS, I believe it's an E. His live performances are better than they used to be (I like this vid better than LiT, as far as the vox go). He sings things lower, but then his voice isn't so worn out over the course of the tour. Before, he was *screaming* high A's (or something like that) in The Killing Hand, and, as I hope we all know, that's not too terribly healthy for the old vocal chords. So, I guess that's about it for now. I wish we could all just realize how much better LaBrie is than pretty much anyone out there. He's so versatile and so passionate when he sings, I think it's amazing.
Later,
David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:00:09 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Stuff to look for in 5yial !!! Message-ID: <6a1186c9.3651b9a9@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/17/98 5:33:31AM, you write:
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:09:48 EST >From: JamesAhab@aol.com >To: ytsejam@axnet.net >Subject: Re: Stuff to look for in 5yial !!! >Message-ID: <45b41cef.3650f70c@aol.com> > > > >What I want to know is from where is that footage immedately after >mettropolis >and what is that thing they're passing into the audience? > >
It looks like a guitar cabinet with it's innards taken out (presumably to make it lighter) so they can be silly and pass it back through the audience.
Ice Queen
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4422 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981117131436.66910B-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
> and Matt Smith wrote: > > > > You know, I think Once in a LIVEtime is the most I've *ever* enjoyed > > James' singing. Okay, maybe other than the almighty Awake. I thought he > > sounded bloody GREAT. I really, really love OIAL. I was pretty sure > > it was gonna be great but it blew me away totally. The boys have outdone > > themselves again. Hail Dream Theater. > > I guess you don't like understanding lyrics then, right? I STILL have to > look at the liner when I listen to "Caught in a Web".
I don't really have anymore trouble understanding James on OIAL than on the studio albums. Face it, there are only a handful of metal singers who can pronounce perfectly while singing glass-shatteringly high. Hail Khan.
> > > Oh well, that's what prog underground on the internet is for. > > I can find > > > out about great new bands such as Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Lemur Voice, > > > Savatage, etc. > > > > Oh yeah, Savatage is really new. > > > > No, but NEW Savatage releases are new and proggy. The Wake of Magellan > RULES!
Agreed 110%. Old Savatage is good, too.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Blind Guardian--Imaginations From the Other Side ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:38:09 -0500 From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Mr. LaBrie Message-ID: <001401be126a$32a59ba0$3baa889e@cout.ml.org>
>Hey Jammerz- > >Well, my post, in essence, today, is the complete opposite of what we here >at the Jam call "a bitch". (anyone catch that movie reference?)
That would be spoken by Phil Hartman at Alcatraz in the movie "So I Married an Axe Murderer".
>I'd like to address the "LaBrie issue". Someone here mentioned that those >bitching about LaBrie aren't vocalists themselves - and I couldn't agree more. >I happen to be a vocalist of much the same style, and of much the same >musical/educational background. LaBrie studied with a world-renowned opera
I too am a vocalist, but I sing baritone. In legit style (those of you who don't know what "legit" means, it's a more classical-oriented, non-Broadway or -other style). I must say that I agree as well with what has been said about LaBrie's abilities and the little "helpers" he uses to facilitate his singing.
>coach for 4 years. I think he knows what he's doing. Every little thing he >gets criticized for is technically correct, and helps him hit those notes up >in the stratosphere. First, when he sticks out his tongue on the high >notes, that's only to create more open space in the throat so he can sing >louder, brighter, and more forward. When he sings AHHH-VOICES like that, >he's doing something my voice coach calls "breathing the vowel". You have >the placement for one vowel already in your mouth when you switch to the >next, and when you have to sing as loud as he does, it's far easier and less >strenuous on the voice to actually sing that note instead of breathing it.
Especially singing as a baritone, these tips are important. My voice teacher tells me that opening up the throat when I sing is perhaps one of the biggest advantages to a good bright tone. Otherwise the tone tends to get stuck in your throat, and nobody can hear it. If KJLB was singing in front of an orchestra in an operatic situation (where there are NO microphones, it's all done acoustically), he would have the carrying power to go above, or rather "cut through" the orchestra. This is incredibly important.
>And about diction? Go listen to Pavarotti and tell me if you can understand >a word he's saying when he sings really high. And I have no doubt that >James can sing higher than him. The entire I&W album is way high (and >perfect in every way, as far as the vocal performance goes). When you sing >high, you MUST concentrate on the breath support first, the placement >second, the tone third, and the diction/lyrics LAST. <cut>
He really sings a high *G*? I know several WOMEN who can't sing a high G without going into falsetto. ALL of whom are voice majors. All I can say is: Wow.
--- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ --- "I don't know, we haven't gotten to that crucial Do-you-know-the-lyrics-to-'Only-You' stage in our relationship." -- Charlie, "So I Married an Axe Murderer" ---
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