YTSEJAM Digest 4431
Today's Topics:
1) Re: ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content)
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
2) Michael Moorcock rock songs
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
3) LIVE CD excursions
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
4) Symphony X
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
5) RE: LaBrie
by "Raby, Scott A" <Scott.Raby@PSS.Boeing.com>
6) Vocals, OIALT
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
7) Fake Cabinet in 5YiaLT
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
8) High "G"
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
9) Dream Theater very popular in allentown
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
10) Re: SQUEEEH WAAAAAH!!!
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
11) Labrie
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
12) The Song Remains the Same
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
13) Savatage
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
14) jon finn group
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
15) James is not a frontman! : )
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
16) stuff for sale
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
17) surgeons? nah. (was: screamers)
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
18) LaBrie Side project NO, solo album, maybe................
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@mail.apic.net>
19) 7-String DT songs
by Pieter.Serruys@hae.hydro.com
20) NDTC
by "Shane Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 12:56:28 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content)
Message-ID: <199811172055.MAA17089@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>I really can't even comment on Steve Smith because he just scares me too
>much...
Amen! And to think he'd been hiding in Journey all those years :-) .
Andrew
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The drummer's playing in 4/4, the saxophone player is playing 5/4, the
guitar player is picking his nose. -FZ
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:12:25 -0000
From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Michael Moorcock rock songs
Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE5AC7@LON01XBCAPGE>
>Are you also familiar with a little rock band called Blue Oyster Cult?
They only were one of the >bands to start the whole Heavy Metal thing
(together with those guys from Black Sabbath, Led >Zeppelin, Deep Purple...)
and they still kick ass in 1998!
>BOeC has at least 2 M.Moorcock inspired songs: Veteran of the Psychic Wars
and Black Blade. >The latter being a song about Elric and his sword
Stormbringer.
Andreas, you're too German! Writing an umlaut into a non-German word! And
Moorcock didn't just inspire the songs - he co-wrote them. Blue Oyster Cult
should be part of everyone's rock adolescence - Buck Dharma has a great
guitar sound. Their best album is actually Imaginos, way past their 'Golden
era', with Fire Of Unknown Origin close behind. Moorcock's 'Black Blade' is
on 'Cultosaurus Erectus'. The radio classic 'Don't fear the reaper' is on
Agents of Fortune or any of the Greatest Hits collections.
As for his instrument, I think he played keyboards for Hawkwind a few times.
Jonathan
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:14:26 +0000
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LIVE CD excursions
Message-ID: <3651A0D8.1E322E66@mindspring.com>
Well, I for one hate to say it but this glut of live cd's is getting on my nerves.
If ALL these live cd's were NEW STUDIO RECORDINGS I'd be happy to
die tomorrow. Now, if Enchant, Saga, Kitaro, ICE T, Lethal, etc, decide to put out a double live + cd, I will have to exact my vengeance on all of society, bar none.
Rantingly and ravingly yours;
BEST Regards,
Scott Mosher
Allroundniceguy, Main guy
Advertising & Promotion of Socio-Environmental Way of Life.
Concepts and Design, Design guru
Autumn Twilight, CEO and President
Mosher Industries, President
Co-Owner, M.F.O.T.M.
and anything else I can think of.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:12:41 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Symphony X
Message-ID: <19981117221243.15432.qmail@hotmail.com>
I have only heard one song by these guys ... I don't even know the name
of the song, but the intitials are EOM. A friend of mine sent me the
mp3 sx-eom.mp3. Whatever the name of the song is, it rocks!! I was
wondering if anyone could let me know where I could find a few more mp3s
before I go and buy one of their CDs, and if anyone could make
suggestions as to what CD is a good one to buy by them.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:31:27 -0800
From: "Raby, Scott A" <Scott.Raby@PSS.Boeing.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: LaBrie
Message-ID: <41062FF63D0DD1118BFA00805FBEB693016BBECB@xch-knt-14.ca.boeing.com>
> >I'd like to address the "LaBrie issue". Someone here mentioned that
> those
> >bitching about LaBrie aren't vocalists themselves - and I couldn't agree
> more.
> >I happen to be a vocalist of much the same style, and of much the same
> >musical/educational background. LaBrie studied with a world-renowned
> opera
>
> I too am a vocalist, but I sing baritone. In legit style (those of you
> who don't know what "legit" means, it's a more classical-oriented,
> non-Broadway or -other style). I must say that I agree as well with what
> has been said about LaBrie's abilities and the little "helpers" he uses to
> facilitate his singing.
>
> >coach for 4 years. I think he knows what he's doing. Every little thing
> he
> >gets criticized for is technically correct, and helps him hit those notes
> up
> >in the stratosphere. First, when he sticks out his tongue on the high
> >notes, that's only to create more open space in the throat so he can sing
> >louder, brighter, and more forward. When he sings AHHH-VOICES like that,
> >he's doing something my voice coach calls "breathing the vowel". You
> have
> >the placement for one vowel already in your mouth when you switch to the
> >next, and when you have to sing as loud as he does, it's far easier and
> less
> >strenuous on the voice to actually sing that note instead of breathing
> it.
>
> Especially singing as a baritone, these tips are important. My voice
> teacher tells me that opening up the throat when I sing is perhaps one of
> the biggest advantages to a good bright tone. Otherwise the tone tends to
> get stuck in your throat, and nobody can hear it. If KJLB was singing in
> front of an orchestra in an operatic situation (where there are NO
> microphones, it's all done acoustically), he would have the carrying power
> to go above, or rather "cut through" the orchestra. This is incredibly
> important.
>
> >And about diction? Go listen to Pavarotti and tell me if you can
> understand
> >a word he's saying when he sings really high. And I have no doubt that
> >James can sing higher than him. The entire I&W album is way high (and
> >perfect in every way, as far as the vocal performance goes). When you
> sing
> >high, you MUST concentrate on the breath support first, the placement
> >second, the tone third, and the diction/lyrics LAST.
> <cut>
>
>
This is the biggest load of horse shit! I don't care who LaBrie studied
under, how he uses his tongue, or how hard it is to sing that high. Many of
us on this list have been classically trained to play an instrument or sing.
Many have not. What difference does it make in this case other than to note
what LaBrie is 'trying' to do. You make the argument that because LaBrie
studied from a world renowned opera coach that he somehow knows his shit.
I'm sure he does, but what difference does it make when he is up on that
stage oversinging, cracking notes, and basically covering up some real
talent that is accompanying him. You know, I have an old DT bootleg with
LaBrie and he cracks so many notes that I would swear he just entered
puberty. He tries to sing so damn loud and high that he totally destroys
the song! OiAL is not much different in spots. He needs to back off. I
really doubt LaBrie did all that screaming during his lessons with his
'world renowned opera coach', and I doubt they taught it to him.
My .02 worth.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:40:06 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Vocals, OIALT
Message-ID: <3651ED36.E3DB9AC9@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:55:25 -0600
> From: AL <al@isd.net>
> Subject: Hail Bafu! DTC: LaBrie's vocals on OIAL
>
> Vocalists that REALLY SUCK live: (IMHO)
> Sebastian Bach (Skid Row) He screams live, and it sucks.
Er, I didn't seen them live except "Live At Moscow" (that famous
festival), but I think Bach has AWESOME vocal! Check Skid's "Subhuman
Race" if ya doubt!
> Ian Gillan (Deep Purple) Age has taken it's toll, he used to be
> damn good. (Don't flame me on this one unless you've heard DP
> live in the 70s, I have.)
I'll flame just a little since I saw them live on video in their old
days. I agree that already 10 years his vocal is gone, as is the case
with Robert Plant and I really don't understand why these guys try to
scream! But it's far from listing Ian in bad screamers I guess! :) A
band like Purple should be judged according THEIR time. OK, I HATE Ian
vocal today, I HATE Plant vocal today, I HATE Roger Daltrey vocal today,
I HATE Jimmy Page playing today, but I will always be Purple, Zeps and
The Who fan! Woohoo, long live 70s rock!
IMHO, Ian Gillan is THE BEST HARD ROCK VOCAL ever! :)
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:11:22
> From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> Subject: Re: Disappointment
>
> I bet the guys would be bored out of their skulls
> playing it precisely the same way night after night.
Agreed!
And can all those negative-vibrations-spreading-guys, SHUT UP and let
OIALT be enjoyed by all! Believe me, you're doing enough damage with
your meaningless and groundless comments on one so long awaited album.
In the LTE chat I saw question to Mike about live album on which Mr.
Portnoy answered that DT plans to do it. Redaing that, the guy who asked
that says: "How about a double live album? Huh!" So, it was beyong our
wildest dreams that we'll get double one and now it's a reality. So go
back to your caves and take a looong nap!
Just my 2 denars
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:21:16 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Fake Cabinet in 5YiaLT Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981117152116.008c3a40@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>It looks like a guitar cabinet with it's innards taken out (presumably to make >it lighter) so they can be silly and pass it back through the audience. >Ice Queen
Yeah, but does that mean that in all their concerts John uses fake cabinets? The only benefit to this would be to save his hearing?? But in this case, would he just be able to hear himself through the monitors?
Confusedly yours,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:36:37 -0600 From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: High "G" Message-ID: <36520884.D106447F@bigplanet.com>
> He really sings a high *G*? I know several WOMEN who can't sing a high G > without going into falsetto. ALL of whom are voice majors. All I can say > is: Wow.
that part is incredibly falsetto. Yeah, it's impressive that he sings that high, but I think it sounds pretty cheezy since he can't add the fullness of his natural voice. Plus, that line just seems to be way too high in the mix relative to the otehr vocal parts, but that could just be a characteristic of it's highness and thin tone. go listen to it, and it's easy to hear the falsetto.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dream Theater very popular in allentown Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.981117183056.3090A-100000@espy>
Scary, but the record stores in allentown, pa keep seeling out of DT stuff, and I have heard several times that DT is one of the best sellers! On top of that, I was at a hot dog eating contest with WZZO (95.1 out of allentown) and I won the new Rush CD. The DJ and I got talking about DYT and he loves them. He mentioned that one of the other DJs there WORSHIPS Dream Theater! I asked why i dont hear DT too much one hte radio and he said that they often play it at night (when I am asleep).
While I am on the topic of WZZO: They played the world premier of Different Stages with live interviews with Geddy and Alex (anyone tape this?), and they arent afraid to play 30 minute long songs such as 2112 or obscure Yes songs.
Cheers for WZZO!!
So when is the Birch Hill show?
-ponte
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:49:41 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: SQUEEEH WAAAAAH!!! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981117184941.00a1ea54@postoffice.ptd.net>
Bafu Vai typeth: >I see you're wearing the Ytsejam Rookie badge. I remember mine vividly, it was >made of bronze and I used to polish it every day. Then one day I received my >official title of "Fucking Idiot" and was a rookie no more. :)
Uh, I'd like to apply for the title of "Fucking Moron" (there are more than enough "Fucking Idiots" on this list already. :) J/K!!) What do I have to do? ;)
>Many, many times while singing "Take The Time" live, James has pronounced the >line "it's time to pick up the pieces, go back to square one" as "it's time to >pick up the pieces go back to SQUEEHH WAAAHH!!"
Heh, well guess what? That's the way it usually sounds when *I* sing TTT .. that whole first verse just generally gives me trouble. Other mispronunciations I'm guilty of are, "I've had my fair share of tough bricks", and "Need a neEew voooah, neEew lieh, neEew waeh". ^_^
If I were James, I would teach a few of my caribou to sing, take them on tour with me, and have them fill in for me on stage when I'm having a bad night. That would make for some fucking entertainment, eh? :)
Later, Brian
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Labrie Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.981117185758.3090B-100000@espy>
Dunno what everyone else thinks, but he is AWESOME on 5yiaL!!!! :)
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:01:45 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Song Remains the Same Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.981117190001.3090C-100000@espy>
The Dazed and confused part isbasically (its been a hile since Ive seen it) Page climbing a mountain and concieving the whole of his life from his birth to his death. Perhaps that is a wierd dream of his.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:22:17 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.981117192141.3090E-100000@espy>
Where can I find a list of their tour dates?
email in private please :)
-ponte
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:52:09 -0600 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: jon finn group Message-ID: <36523658.EDB95B86@uiuc.edu>
can the person who posted the mp3's of the live performance of the jon finn group please repost the url? thanks.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:11:12 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: James is not a frontman! : ) Message-ID: <000301be12a1$1c8893e0$90723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Hey all... I haven't posted in while, but here goes I was listening to OiaL and I noticed something pretty funny about James that I didn't notice before when I've seen him live. James is really lousy at announcing stuff : ) Like for instance.. at the end of "Puppies on Acid" as they are kicking into "JLMB" he says something like "Lets start having a good time... c'mon!" it sounded so dumb... I guess its because I'm used to hearing people like Phil Anselmo (of course hes high as a kite) screaming at the crowd.. or Ozzy dumping water on the crowd to get them pumped.. its funny to compare him to them as a frontman... But, I suppose that is not what I'm looking for when I listen to DT : ) But, I just wanna say.. OiaL is one of the best live albums that I have ever heard. Especially in comparison to Rush's new live album. The sound quality isn't particularly good on Rush's live album.. at least I think it could have been better, especially for the cost. Sure, Rush's was a triple disc.. but the sound quality could have been better. Talk with ya later, J Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:44:26 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: stuff for sale Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981118004417.007af940@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Contact kai@fore.com
DT stuff for sale:
Awake postcard - announcing Awake Listening Party Oct. 4 1994 very cool album cover art - only 2 left - $5 each
Awake guitar pick - DT logo and "Awake" in gold lettering on black pick less than 10 available - $5 each
East/West 8x10 b&w photo without keyboardist - official 8x10 from just after Kevin quit, sent in an Awake promo package. Features l-r, JM MP KJLB JP - $15
Lords of Sound - 2CD boot - KTS - 1993 - $50 Dream Out Loud - 1CD boot - KTS - 1993 - $20 Majesty 1986 demo CD - $25 Majesty 1987 InstruMental CD - $25
None of these are CDr, and all include original packaging.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:42:34 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: Nothing To Say <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: surgeons? nah. (was: screamers) Message-ID: <199811180742.jaa28608@estcard.ee>
]From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
> team of nurses and assistants, but who may well screw it up when working > at your local hospital with local staff: how happy would you be to know > that one of these guys is just about to start cutting you open? My case > rests.
That another way wasn't quite on par. You see, we are dealing with neither rocket scientists nor brain surgeons here, these are rock singers we're talking about. So lighten up, won't you? If you are not in the mood to listen to some high pitch wailing (which I'm usually not), go check out some instrumental music that suits the mood. Why the aggravation?
As for singing high in the studio and then messing up or singing low in a live situation... I prefer the latter. On the other hand, I really don't give much of a damn how it's done in the studio, as long as it sounds good on the album. Really. What should I care whether guitarist N took two days to execute a relatively simple, yet melodic guitar lead, if he finally managed it and it kicks major butt on the finally finished product, commonly referred to as an album? Should I lose sleep over the fact that singer X couldn't get his shit together for an entire year because of throat problems, but then did a stellar job? Is it entirely up to me to complain that a certain rockband BJ had a stunt bass player and actually somebody else played his parts in the studio? It's the outcome that matters.
So, in short, this is an entertainment of some sort we're talking about. If something doesn't entertain you, pick something else.
Quiet, I keep it to myself, tension building slowly.
========================================================================= Raivo Hool <raitz@estcard.ee> icq 19980975
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:04:21 +0000 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@mail.apic.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LaBrie Side project NO, solo album, maybe................ Message-ID: <199811180758.SAA07922@armstrong.apic.net>
Okay, if I was a betting man, I'd have a few dollars on James recording his 1st solo album, with a little help from a few friends Not too mention having s few songs written with/by the like of keyboardist Matthew Guillory, Shadow Gallery and Trent Gardner from Magellan. The players, could well be James (sic), Matthew Guillory, Mike Mangini and Marco Mendoza.
Now this of course could be just a vicious rumour...... but remember where you heard it first :)
Sorry that all the crystal ball would tell me, I can't say much more at this stage, now you can start bitching about whether I am lying or not, happy flaming :P
GaZ
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:02:47 +0100 From: Pieter.Serruys@hae.hydro.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 7-String DT songs Message-ID: <412566C0.003734D5.00@osla28smtp.hda.hydro.com>
Hi,
Does anyone know all the songs where JP uses his 7-string ?
Thx, PS
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:18:43 +1030 From: "Shane Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NDTC Message-ID: <003101be12e9$6d37b580$699017cb@shane>
Yes, I've been quiet for a while, I think Dream Theater, Queensryche, Chroma Key, Fates Warning, Shadow Gallery, Tesla, and Def Leppard should get together and do a concept album for "The Death Gate Cycle" - IMO one of the best series ever written (after TLOTR) ;-) Anyway, how would these bands actually be inspired to write the music for a book? (otherwise I would have already done it myself). TDGC comes with one or two songs in standard notation in every single book (out of 7), so they could base it on that, I suppose.
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