YTSEJAM Digest 4435
Today's Topics:
1) Superior t-shirts info
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
2) Re: Neil Pert question and drums
by Mauricio Martinez <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
3) Bruce Dick/Journey
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) Our buddy James LaBrie
by ShadowBor@aol.com
5) Arkhe
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) Re: Neil Pert question and drums
by Andrew James Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
7) Trevor Rabin & Jerry Bruckheimer
by Uroborosss@aol.com
8) The Great Wall Of Marshalls
by Uroborosss@aol.com
9) maX returns!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Steve Smith (was Re: ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content))
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
11) Re: James is not a frontman! : )
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
12) Re: James' voice
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
13) Portnoy clinic last night...
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
14) Re: Symphony X
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:42:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Superior t-shirts info
Message-ID: <199811190742.AA03215@crl.crl.com>
I've created a no-frills* web page for t-shirt orders at
http://www.crl.com/~vanyel/t-shirts.html
Quick recap: t-shirts will be $23 postpaid, longsleeves will be $28
postpaid, both are two-sided. The artwork is on the Superior official
site (maintained by Bernd, he da man) whose url I FORGET. (aack)
These are available in size XL only, but Bernd assures me this will
accomodate almost anyone except the really small or the reallly large
(like, maybe me :)).
We'll probably handle these transAtlantic in batches of 10 or 20,
depending on demand.
NP: Ocean Machine, "Voices in the Fan" from BIOMECH -- Favorite
discovery of the year
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* of course, all of my pages tend to be pretty no-frills. :)
-- Sometimes a view from sinless eyes / Centers our perspective Paul W. Cashman And pacifies our cries / Sometimes the anguish we survive vanyel@crl.com And the mysteries we nurture / Are the fabrics of our lives ICQ# 4151223 "Lines in the Sand," Dream Theater - FALLING INTO INFINITY www.crl.com/~vanyel------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:14:29 -0600 From: Mauricio Martinez <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Neil Pert question and drums Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981119021429.007bf650@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Well, i have heard 95% of Rush albums, and i don=B4t hear any double bass drumming on any album.......can somebody tell me on which songs Peart does a noticeable double bass drumming? plus, Peart=B4s forte is up there.....not down there....at least, that=B4s what he shows more often.
Mauricio
At 07:53 PM 18/11/98 -0800, you wrote: > >I gotta question for anyone who can/will answer. I recently purchased >Rush-Different Stages cd. Inside there are pictures of the band. Well it >appears to me that Neil is only playing with one bass drum in the pics. I >have seen his set up before and he always had two of them. So did the >picture decieve me or is Peart slaying ass with only one bass drum now? > >Thanx > >Thorin > > > > >
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:27:03 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Bruce Dick/Journey Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E882@ms.kallback.com>
> From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> > On a slightly more related note, I'll be going to see Bruce Dickinson > (with > Adrian Smith) in a couple of weeks. I'm expecting this to be the gig > of the > year (DT excepted, of course). > Too bad you didn't see Bruce sing WITH DT in LA last year. Jealous? :)
> From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> > > >I really can't even comment on Steve Smith because he just scares > me too > > >much... > > Amen! And to think he'd been hiding in Journey all those years :-) . > Yeah, what is it with Journey? Ansley Dunbar, another machine, played > on > one of their albums, too. > And Neil Schon. I love all his solo stuff.
Elastic Rubber Nads, Trevor
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:32:24 EST From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Our buddy James LaBrie Message-ID: <1139ff03.3653d798@aol.com>
Hey, how's it goin'? First off, on the high notes anyway, I believe James ISN'T using his chest voice (what people talk in), OR his falsetto (what one generally uses to scream or jokingly imitate a girl). He's using his HEAD voice. The head voice, in short, is a kind of a "mix" between the chest voice and falsetto that allows a singer to go from their chest voice up into their falsetto range without cracking. Or in other words, it allows one to sing up in some or all of their falsetto range, using what SOUNDS like their chest voice. To some singers who don't know any better, it may even feel like their chest voice, but it is not (necesarily). Chest voice only goes so high (how high varies from person to person). There are DT songs that can be done in chest, but they won't have as much endurance. Some people, especially women, have a head voice naturally. But generally speaking, it can take years of development in a male voice. Some others who sing in head voice are Geoff Tate and Steve Perry. Second, if you're not sure how James hits his high notes, and/or don't want to listen to some person you don't even know ramble a bunch of voice crap (me), then let's ask him. Mention it in the next chat. Or maybe M. Portnoy, who reads the jam, could please mention to James that people are interested learning a bit about his singing technique. And finally, who cares? He may have his bad nights as has been mentioned, but all in all, I think he's got an amazing voice. When he hits those high notes, they're just so focused and powerful sounding...He can sing all those songs pretty damn well, so he must be doing something right. Rock on.
Later Rob
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:33:55 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Arkhe Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E883@ms.kallback.com>
> From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> > I also bought the highly recommended(by Ken Golden) Arkhe self titled > CD, and > am having some real trouble getting into it. I like the tunes, but > the guy is > just trying SO hard for that KJLB sound(maybe TOO hard), that it's > hard to > digest. I'll keep trying with this one and SymX though, 'cause I > would hate > to have to disagree with anyone. :) > I agree. If you hate DT clones, stay away from Arkhe. But if you've been looking for that lost album between I&W and Awake go buy it now.
Sqeeeeehhh Waaaahhhh, Trevor
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew James Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Neil Pert question and drums Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981119005123.22128B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Mauricio Martinez wrote:
> > Well, i have heard 95% of Rush albums, and i don=B4t hear any double bass > drumming on any album.......can somebody tell me on which songs Peart does > a noticeable double bass drumming?
Well, to my knowledge, he uses his double bass in fills and breaks, rather than riding on them as continuous 16th notes. As far as songs goes, I can't remember any specific fills or beats, and I don't have any CDs with me for a few days. Anyone out there?
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:03:45 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Trevor Rabin & Jerry Bruckheimer Message-ID: <37c22366.3653def1@aol.com>
> From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > Subject: Re: Movie and Trevor Rabin? > > In addition to "Enemy of the State" (which I was not aware of), Rabin did > the score for "Armageddon" and "The Rock" and some others.
Jerry Bruckheimer (and the spirit of Don Simpson, R.I.P.) produced all three of those movies. He also worked on Top Gun, Days of Thunder, Bad Boys, and Crimson Tide.
For those of you who don't recognize the name, Bruckheimer makes movies for GUYS. And before Margaret Pluta gets on my ass for saying that, let me EXPLAIN. Jerry Bruckheimer's movies feature lots of vehicles - fast vehicles, vehicles of war, incredibly sweet cars which sometimes get destroyed, incredibly complex chase scenes, heavy vehicles such as garbage trucks, etc. His movies usually have bigtime smoking, bigtime guns, and gratuitous scenes filled with voluptuous women (if you've seen "Armageddon" you may remember the *extremely* useful and productive strip-club scene that sort of roared into the movie theater without warning and shocked every parent in attendance). His movies also feature loud, pulsating music, in genres such as guitar-driven metal, country jams, or mad crazy dope fly wicked diesel hip-hop. Oh, and everything explodes.
There's also one or two shots per movie where the sky is sepia-toned and everything looks surreal (yes, even in "Bad Boys" starring Will Smith this shot can be found). I think that's his personal stamp or something. SO, along with music by Trevor Rabin, it's a safe bet that "Enemy Of The State" will contain at least one dark-sky shot, a scene filled with voluptuous women that will shock all parents in attendance, some damn fast or damn heavy vehicles that wreck several miles of stuff, and some loudass guitar-driven music. Oh, and a few explosions.
> People who think of videos as an art form are probably the same people > who think Cabbage Patch Dolls are a revolutionary form of soft sculpture. > -FZ
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:07:53 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The Great Wall Of Marshalls Message-ID: <83abecab.3653dfe9@aol.com>
> From: IceQD@aol.com > Subject: Fake Cabs > > D'Oh where you bin? > Bands have been doing this for years (eg Van Halen) cos a whole rank of cabs > is supposed to LOOK good .... > > Ice Queen
Take Motley Crue. The Wall Of Marshalls was a Motley Crue trademark. I'm not sure if they still do it on stage, or how many of them are/were actually on, but there's no way in hell Mick Mars could be playing through that many cabs without some serious feedback. When Crue played on the MTV video awards... not that I, uh... not that I WATCH that channel or anything... um... but when they played the MTV video awards Arsenio Hall (the host) looked back at the stage as he was introducing them and said in amazement, "...lookit all those MARSHALLS!!"
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:47:21 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: maX returns! Message-ID: <19981119094723.10311.qmail@hotmail.com>
Okay, I am responding to several jams at once, so I will not quite or use any of my maXimisms this time around...
First order of business...
I'm curious to hear more from the progmetal scene than what I already know.
I've heard Ayreon and Angra mentioned several times here, and I'll also ckeck out Shadow Gallery and VAST (tho I'd like more info on VAST), and I know Eternity X, QR, Fates (and do Rush & Kansas count as progmetal? Nah...), but that's about it.
Can anyone give me some insight on what I ABSOLUTELY must hear (and not only faves...)? For instance, Fates APSOG is a must. But I don't think Savatage or King anything are all that great. But I know SOME stuff is.
I do not like Tool, for all you freaks that do to know...
Also I'm curious whether most people think Fates "got good" on No Exit, or Perfect Symmetry. Input?
Also, I have the APSOG video. I thought it was a live recording, with video over it, but is it really the studio version?
Thanks in advance.
Second order of business:
I can not get MP3 files right, so I'm screwed when it comes to the Ytsejam on kb. What can I do? There is a LOT of MP3 crap out there now, and I just get stupid writing...
Thanx in advance again.
OK, I think the name 'Raise The Knife' sounds like a Majesty demo ...
Um, I think Darek's playing kicks ass, but I keep hearing $#!+ about him in the name of Kevin uhh... Moore. What gives?
And I thought we were through with the 12th note nonesense. But I keep seeing it. It's not funny anymore. I'm not using the pitch value system either. I'm going to sing a "Q splattered green". That's the note name, You figure it out. See? It's stupid!
Last thing. Somebody mentioned that they do not hear Rush on the radio very often. I live in So. CA, the most prog-hating area of the world, and I hear Rush all the time. But never anything new. But I hear them a lot.
Oh yeah (sorry), when I bought the 5YIALT video at Best Buy, I had to wait a few days for them to get ONE copy in. When I checked paid for it, the checker said they were selling a LOT of those. And they barely GET any in. They just sell very quickly.
Maybe DT would sell more if stupid stores would STOCK enough...
My ramblings for the day.
-maX VEHR-un
Now I will continue my list, adding the new one to the top...
NP: Cusco - Apurimac III Nikki Brooks - Dreams To Nightmares Dream Theater - Once In A LIVEtime
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:34:18 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Steve Smith (was Re: ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content)) Message-ID: <19981119123419.28999.qmail@hotmail.com>
Does anyone know where to find some mp3s of any of his recent projects, like perhaps Vital Tech Tones or something. I think that's the name I remember hearing. Wasn't there another name of a band that was real similar to that to that was recently discussed here? If so, can anyone help me out with an mp3 or two by that band?
Mike
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Re: Steve Smith (was Re: ATTN: Jazz fusion lovers (Non Jon Finn Content)) > > >> >I really can't even comment on Steve Smith because he just scares me too >> >much... >> >> Amen! And to think he'd been hiding in Journey all those years :-) . > >Yeah, what is it with Journey? Ansley Dunbar, another machine, played on >one of their albums, too. > >-- >*------------*----------------------------*--------------* >| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | >*------------*----------------------------*--------------* > >ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:37:31 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: James is not a frontman! : ) Message-ID: <19981119123732.27278.qmail@hotmail.com>
He's the best "frontman" drummer I've ever seen. How 'bout what he did in the middle of his solo on 5yialt (I think that was the one) where he got out from behind the set and let the crowd play on one of the toms off the small set with the Majesty symbol on it? Or was that another show I have on tape? I can't remember. Anyway, I have to agree he's one of the most original drummers I've seen in a long time.
Mike
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:46:48 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: Angus53@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Re: James is not a frontman! : ) > > >In the two shows that I went to in the last year, I thought that MP was a lot >more successful in getting the crowd pumped. And why not, Phil Collins was a >frontman. I guess thats just my own opinion. Whatever..... >Andrew
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:46:17 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: James' voice Message-ID: <19981119124617.22320.qmail@hotmail.com>
To me it still kinda sounds like his sound was cutting out. I didn't like his voice, well actually not his voice but his accent/diction when I first heard DT, but I've grown to love it. I do think that he tries a little too hard sometimes live though, but for the most part I think he kicks ass. He definitely should think of some diferent things to say in between songs besides "Come on!" :)
My $.02,
Mike
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:30:26 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: Philip Griffiths <griffith@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: James' voice > > >Hi everyone! > >I know James' singing on OiaLT has been discussed fully on the list and that some of you are sick and tired of hearing about it. I also noticed that some of you guys are >really getting aggressive, but remember: part of liking a person or a particular kind of music/band is being able to point out his/her/its faults (or let's say: >fault"ettes"). > >Anyway, James probably had some difficulties with his monitor system on that night in Paris. Hell, anyone who's ever been on stage (and singers in particular) knows that >the noise level can be murder. I remember one concert where I thought I had sung pretty well....it was only when I heard a recording of that gig that I noticed how >shitty some of it sounded....what I'm trying to say here is that it's difficult to control your voice when you're having problems hearing yourself sing. > >However, I also believe that you should always be able to reproduce the way you sang in the studio on stage, even if that means selecting and changing certain hook lines >and phrases before recording. You can do practically anything (pitch shifting etc.) in the studio but I'm sure you agree that on stage and in front of an audience is >where it's at! So part of writing lyrics and composing songs is being able to recognise your own limits (high notes etc.) and working within a comfortable vocal range. > >That's about it, >Phil > > > >
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:50:55 -0600 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Portnoy clinic last night... Message-ID: <3654BCEF.A93@rollanet.org>
St. Louis area (Kirkwood)
It rocked man, 'nuff said ;)
heh, threw in a little line about 12th notes, he laughed, as did I...
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:52:19 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Symphony X Message-ID: <19981119125219.8629.qmail@hotmail.com>
Thanks, and I will let you know if I find it.
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:27:08 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: JamesAhab@aol.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Re: Symphony X > > >>< I have only heard one song by these guys ... I don't even know the name >of the song, but the intitials are EOM. A friend of mine sent me the mp3 sx- >eom.mp3. Whatever the name of the song is, it rocks!! I was wondering if >anyone could let me know where I could find a few more mp3s before I go and >buy one of their CDs, and if anyone could make suggestions as to what CD is a >good one to buy by them. >< > >The Eyes of Medusa from The Divine Wings of Tragedy album. I a friend of mine >made a tape of the album for me (which I lost after about a month), but I've >never been more impressed by a band. Talk about beyond expectation. You don't >need to listen to more MP3s, you will like the album, trust me. However, I >haven't had much luck finding it. SO if you find it somehere for an >unridiculous price, let me know. > > >Jim > >"This is not reality" > >NP: Tori Amos, "Little Earthquakes" >
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