YTSEJAM Digest 4436
Today's Topics:
1) The snake is choking on its own tail.
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
2) Re: conception
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
3) Is Tolkien hobbit-forming?
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
4) Anybody heard of "The Gathering"?
by Ivan =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E5rdg=E5rd?= <ivan@2mtv.no>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4433
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
6) Peart and double bass
by Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
7) Re: Peart Drum Questions
by "Matthew W. Stanich" <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4433
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
9) Fish
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
10) Re: Stuff to look for in 5yial !!!
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
11) Theory - NDTC
by Awake77@aol.com
12) Why guys suck: a diction of the male human carnivore.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
13) Re: Gordian Knot
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14) Trevor Rabin
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
15) Re: Anybody heard of "The Gathering"?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
16) RE: Fish
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
17) Symphnoy X
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@mail.apic.net>
18) Re: Devin Townsend "Infinity"
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
19) re: John Arch
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:39:11 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The snake is choking on its own tail.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981119073909.006bcbf0@adam.enteract.com>
Hmm. We've opened up a whole can of worms here...
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:03:45 EST
>From: Uroborosss@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>Subject: Trevor Rabin & Jerry Bruckheimer
>Message-ID: <37c22366.3653def1@aol.com>
>
<snip>
>For those of you who don't recognize the name, Bruckheimer makes movies for
>GUYS. And before Margaret Pluta gets on my ass for saying that, let me
>EXPLAIN.
<snip>
WHOA!! WTF? The day I meet Steve "Bafu" in person happens to be the day
before Halloween, and I happen to be frantically trying to finish sewing a
skirt so I can go "goth" on the 31st, and suddenly I become a militant,
frothing feminist? Hey, not cool...
So, before I have more words stuffed in my mouth, I'll make a short
statement. IMHO, the only recent movie "for GUYS" was really Saving Private
Ryan. And even then, missing limbs et al, it was a movie for everyone. I've
seen Armageddon, and while 99.9% of the female population don't look like
Liv Tyler (the lipstick companies would make a *fortune* if we did!) there
was that silly little love scene in there. Is that a moment "for GUYS"? Are
guys really softies that need a tender moment full of Aerosmith ballads to
readjust the testosterone level in the theaters? I mean, according to
Bafu's definition, the way for Bruckheimer to make it into a true "guy"
movie would be for Liv Tyler to be severely mauled by flaming shrapnel from
the space shuttle, which would have exploded into thousands of razor-sharp
pieces upon reentry.
And, maybe, I would have cheered.
Anyways, onto a completely unrelated subject:
Anyone notice how companies like Sony and CMC Productions are quietly
buying up all the old glam bands?? I could see smaller companies buying the
rights to glam albums for dirt cheap and getting some cash on the sales of
old albums, but Sony? Wonder if they're doing something to bring back glam,
even if for only a few months. Maybe Lita Ford won't die before the
resurgence of metal, after all! ;)
Okay, discuss..
-Maddy
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:40:39 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: conception
Message-ID: <4.1.19981119083532.00933760@pop.usefulware.com>
John P. (no, not that one) inquired:
>I was just wondering if conception have a website or a place to
>download some clips, as I don't want to buy their cd without hearing
>some bit of it.
Yes, you do. This disc ("In Your Multitude") belongs in everyone's
collection. Tore Ostby's guitar work can go from quiet acoustic passages to
lightspeed neoclassical shredding to crunchy bludgeoning riffs with equal
facility. Add in some outstanding atmospheric keyboards and a vocalist (Roy
S. Khan) who has one of the most incredibly emotive voices I've ever heard
and the mix is, well, amazing. Khan's voice is absolutely haunting and will
stick with you for a long time after the disc stops.
All Conception's discs are worth getting, but "In Your Multitude" is the
best one. Conception's demise was a heavy blow for prog-metal IMHO. At
least Khan is still alive and well in Kamelot....
ta,
Phil
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"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:15:12 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Is Tolkien hobbit-forming?
Message-ID: <002c01be13c7$05a4f930$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
any of you Tolkien freaks out there like black metal? Then check out
the two albums "Minas Morgul" and "Dol Guldur" by the Austrian
black metal duo Summoning. Symphonic keyboards (often with a
medieval feel), a guitar barrage, lashings of double bass (from a drum
computer, of course) and vocals that sound like the cookie monster
just stubbed his toe on the door. There is also a mini CD called
"Nightshade Forests" with the leftovers from "Dol Guldur" which is
also very good. Get your pentagrams out.
Good news for those who like The 3rd And The Mortal - the solo
album by ex-singer Kari Ruesletten is out and will be falling into my
grubby little paws very soon. Review will follow. Also The Mortal are
reportedly in the studio (as are Tiamat) and we can expect a new album
in the near future.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Sisters Of Mercy - A Slight Case Of Overbombing
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:10:58 +0100
From: Ivan =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E5rdg=E5rd?= <ivan@2mtv.no>
To: DT Mailinglist <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Anybody heard of "The Gathering"?
Message-ID: <36543502.F04B824F@2mtv.no>
Hi, I just heard the band "The Gathering", with this most wonderful
female voice...
Has anybody listened to them?
i the van
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:26:00 +0000
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4433
Message-ID: <3653F236.950D8989@mindspring.com>
**When and where is that L.I. Portnoy Drum Clinic?**
Thanks, SM.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:00:17 -0600
From: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Peart and double bass
Message-ID: <36543279.7DC2D85C@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
>
> Well, i have heard 95% of Rush albums, and i don=B4t hear any
double bass
> drumming on any album.......can somebody tell me on which songs
Peart does
> a noticeable double bass drumming?
>Well, to my knowledge, he uses his double bass in fills and breaks,
>rather
>than riding on them as continuous 16th notes. As far as songs goes,
>I
>can't remember any specific fills or beats, and I don't have any
>CDs with
>me for a few days. Anyone out there?
> Andrew
I saw Rush on the Counterparts tour in Detroit and Neil was playing
single bass drum with a couble pedal (DW I think).
As for songs, Andrews right Neil use the double kick primarily for
fills. I've been racking my brain to remember which songs and the only
two I can thing of are two that my band used to play: Where's My Thing?
(Roll the Bones) and YYZ (Drum solo off of Exit Stage Left (One of my
all time fave's BTW)) . In WMT he uses them near the end of the song
for jsut a couple measures, but in YYZ he uses them quite a bit.
Jason
PS Hey Partha save your money from the Lions and go see the Wings! Go
Wings!
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:02:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Matthew W. Stanich" <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Peart Drum Questions
Message-ID: <199811191602.LAA04748@leguin.csl.mtu.edu>
Hello all-
First of all I believe Peart used a single bass/double pedal with
the front half of his set (the dw's), and used two bd's on the
back (electronic) half of the set. There are many spots Peart uses DB in
songs, just listen to the end of Subdivisions, or Limelight. I'm sure
there are many others (Xanadu) but I'm not going to try and list them all.
Later-
Matt Stanich
"Gozar of the tiny hut people, come out, now is the time for your weekly
beating"
"Is that you saucer crab?"
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:06:07 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4433
Message-ID: <19981119160608.810.qmail@hotmail.com>
Tuesday, December 1st, 1998 @ 7PM Tickets are $8 before the show and can
be purchased via credit at the phone number below and mailed and I think
$10 at the door.
Long Island Drum Center
1460 Old Country Road
Plainview, New York 11803
(516)694-LIDC Fax (516)694-6698
Toll Free (800)240-9326
Mike
PS - I'm going, do ya wanna hook up in front of the store at a
particular time or something? Ytsejammer BassicRob is goin' too. Let
me know. You can email me in private at michael_velders@hotmail.com
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:39:52 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4433
>
>
>**When and where is that L.I. Portnoy Drum Clinic?**
>
>Thanks, SM.
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:51 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Fish
Message-ID: <4.1.19981119110029.00937f10@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
After listening to Ayreon's "Into the Electric Castle" dozens of times
since I acquired it last week, I have decided that I quite like Fish's
vocals. Is he Scottish, or does he just play a Scotsman very well? Are his
vocals on Marillion's albums as good as they are on "Into the Electric
Castle"? And what Marillion albums does Fish handle the vocals for?
Private email if you don't feel like cluttering the 'jam with this info.
Many thanks!
ta,
Phil
==================================================
Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:14:18 +0100
From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Stuff to look for in 5yial !!!
Message-ID: <001301be13d8$4eb808e0$42856dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Rogerio Brito wrote:
<<<<Man, if you lived near my home>>>>
I'm glad I don't.....
D.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:23:21 EST
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Theory - NDTC
Message-ID: <af1c0cb9.365445f9@aol.com>
Hey!
With all the theory talk on previous jams, I was wondering if anyone could
point me in the direction of a cool music theory book. Something with
everything in it. Even a theory text book from a music class would be cool.
Email me please.
-Chris
/*NP:Brian Wherry Demo '97*/
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:34:44 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Why guys suck: a diction of the male human carnivore.
Message-ID: <00b101be13da$f0eb3fe0$0201010a@chuck>
>was that silly little love scene in there. Is that a moment "for GUYS"? Are
>guys really softies that need a tender moment full of Aerosmith ballads to
>readjust the testosterone level in the theaters? I mean, according to
Yah. um... That's what the estrogen fortified butter in the popcorn is for.
So guys can get through weak parts in movies without busting out laughing.
It's also fear of spousal retribution that eases this occasionally as well.
:) Of course, I have a friend who comes home from movies with bruises
because his wife is constantly thwapping him for things he says... For
example... The Titanic has sunk and pretty little Kate Winslet is freezing
to death in a lifeboat when this Leonardo DiCappriosicle goes bobbing by.
It's a sad moment for everyone when suddenly my friend blurts out, "Hey,
it's Jack Frost!" Strange thing about instances like that, sort of
reminiscent of nuclear testing. From an ever increasing ripple about the
focal point result hideous laughter from all of the males soon after
followed by the deafening shockwave from the beatings they take from their
wives.
There is nothing more guys really like to do than piss off women. I think
it's all that red meat we eat. I've never seen a tough guy who was a
vegetarian. Could you imagine Patton a vegetarian? I don't think so. This
is a guy who must have carved steaks from live cows and had a permanent IV
full of gravy attached to him at all times. A guy can never get enough
cow/deer/elk into him. We LOVE it! If you ladies would really like to
domesticate your husbands THAT is the trick. No more steak. No more
burgers. Feed him nothing but fowl and fish for a month and he'll start
folding his own laundry. Eliminate meats and he'll even join Greenpeace
with you. A world without meat is a world full of inane weak little men
with no self-motivation.
It's something to think about for the future as well. During a war, if you
can cut off your enemy's meat supply, they will melt faster than M&M's in my
hand. Why do you think India is such a mellow country anyway. :) It all
makes perfect sense. Just remember, without meat there would never be such
a thing as "Ballz and chunk."
Hail Meat!
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:36:48 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Gordian Knot Message-ID: <01BE13E4.D4A4E480@113.152.dialin.mxs.nl>
Tim Spear wrote :
> Gordian Knot is out now in Japan...
And it's amazingly cool! Btw, the Japanese version has one bonus track (not two, as the tracklisting will suggest)...
> USA version is out on Jan. 19
Gordian Knot also features John Myung on two songs. The US release will have a "hidden" track... More information can be found on "Under A Cyber Moon". The articles section has the Gordian Knot biography and news items are available on the "Other Projects" page ("News And Information" section) There are already plans to do a second Gordian Knot album.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:43 -0700 (MST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Trevor Rabin Message-ID: <19981119165320.IOUV13094@localHost>
For anyone who's interested Trevor also did the Theme for the TV show Special Ops Force. Previously known as Soldier of Fortune Inc.
Ytse On,
eD
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:59:09 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Anybody heard of "The Gathering"? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811191355200.1470-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Ivan B=E5rdg=E5rd wrote:
> Hi, I just heard the band "The Gathering", with this most wonderful > female voice... Has anybody listened to them?
=09Yes, they're quite popular. And their singer is very good, IMO (and also very cute).
=09If you want any recommendation, then get your hands on "Mandylion", which is the first album with Anneke on vocals. It's very good. The only low point in their music is they lyrics section, which really sounds like a 10 year old child trying to sound poetic.
=09Anyway, just ignore the lyrical content and listen to the sounds (and her beautiful voice like if it were an instrument) and I think that you'll be pleased.
=09 =09[]s, Roger...
P.S.: Hummm... There's not much variation on the music, but it's doom metal after all... -- =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:09:57 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Fish Message-ID: <001601be13df$6f485a40$de4756ce@p5-150>
>After listening to Ayreon's "Into the Electric Castle" dozens of times > since I acquired it last week, I have decided that I quite like Fish's > vocals. Is he Scottish, or does he just play a Scotsman very well? Are his > vocals on Marillion's albums as good as they are on "Into the Electric > Castle"? And what Marillion albums does Fish handle the vocals for?
> Phil
Yes, Fish is Scottish. I have not yet heard the new Ayreon CD (anyone know a good place to order it from?), but if you like his vocals here, then you'll probably like his vocals on the Marillion CDs and his solo works. The Marillion discs with Fish are:
Script For A Jester's Tear Fugazi Misplaced Childhood Clutching At Straws
All but the last one are currently available as remasters, each with a bonus disc of extra material. I'd suggest getting the remasters, even though they're imports and more expensive. The sound quality is worth it, though, as the remastered ones sound significantly better than the regular releases. Fish also has a number of solo CDs out, with the last one "Sunsets On Empire" being my favorite. Hope this helps.
Dave Thomas - Editor Pixel Planet - Reviews of Books, Games, Comics, CDs, Movies, CG Software, Programming Tools And More! http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:47:50 +0000 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@mail.apic.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Symphnoy X Message-ID: <199811191718.EAA11259@armstrong.apic.net>
Like KEZ, my first impression a couple of years ago were'nt so good. I bought the cd (tDWoT) and initially though, like him, that it sounded like Dio jamming with Yngwie. After feeling quite sorry for myself thinking I had wasted $40 on a lemon I decided to get rid of the damned disc.
In hindsight I should have given the cd a few more plays, at least and a few months later I bought the same disc again. Seeing how now, tDWoT is one of my fave cds now and get played nearly as much as 'Twilight In Olympus'
Though I have to say they are rather limited with there sound, 'TiO' broke no new ground, but they are VERY good at what they do.
I have only heard one mp3 of a live song, that sounded pretty good, in the next couple of weeks I should have 2 complete live shows to judge them a little better :)
cyas GaZ
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:01:16 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Devin Townsend "Infinity" Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811191359540.1470-100000@jaca>
On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Phillip wrote:
> Does anyone on this list have this sick and twisted puppy? > > Seriously, INFINITY has to be one of the most uniquely insane cds i've > heard. As devin says, "A roller coaster ride through a madhouse."
You mean Strapping Young Lad's last album or a solo project of Devin Townsend? BTW, SYL is very heavy, IMO (at least, the few things that I've heard from them).
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: John Arch Message-ID: <19981119173556.19249.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com>
David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> wrote:
> Also, how many of you like Arch better than Alder (probably not > too many, eh?)? He suits FW's older, more metal-oriented style.
Well, they're both great singers, but Arch is so unique. Alder was/is more of a Geoff Tate clone. The best singing I have heard on DT's The Killing Hand was with John Arch singing. It's too bad that Arch never got a chance to sing on more progressive songs (as FW was more metal back then).
- BH
NP- RHCP/BSSM
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