YTSEJAM Digest 4438
Today's Topics:
1) Re: pearts double bass
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
2) Re: Stuff to look for in 5yial !!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
3) John Petrucci's Seven String guitar.
by illusion@ibbs.com
4) Arch
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
5) Best Drummers
by illusion@ibbs.com
6) nope...
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
7) re: anybody heard of the gathering
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
8) D-Man MIA
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
9) guy movies
by "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com>
10) Re: Fish, Arch vs. Alder
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
11) Somebody bootleg an upcoming MP Drum Clinic! *MINOR SPOILERS*
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Where Can I Get a Hold Of "Live Bonus Tracks"?
by MTeiper@aol.com
13) Niel
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
14) fats drummers
by "Vladimir Dourado" <vdourado@tecepe.com.br>
15) Ordering info for "Devin Townsend - Infinity"
by Herman Feltersnatch <herman@dog.com>
16) you wanna know the truth
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
17) Top 10 rock solo's
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
18) Re: NEW ELP LIVE DOUBLE CD, and aplatypus
by OmegaMusic@aol.com
19) somebody wants to know about Conception, mp3s
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
20) James Labrie is the MAN!!!!!
by drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
21) That fat dude....
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:23:20 -0600 (CST)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: pearts double bass
Message-ID: <199811191591856334@ix.netcom.com>
<<Well, to my knowledge, he uses his double bass in fills and breaks, rather
than riding on them as continuous 16th notes. As far as songs goes, I
can't remember any specific fills or beats, and I don't have any CDs with
me for a few days. Anyone out there?>>
I know that I DEFINITELY hear double bass douring the "chorus" part of
Working Man on the 3rd CD from Different Stages (thats why they call me the
workin man! dada dada dada etc...that part) and also on Closer to the Heart at
the end on Different Stages. My guess is that its not as noticable when he does
it as when someone like, say Portnoy would do it, mainly because of how high
the bass drum might be set in the mix.
Matt
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:27:01 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Stuff to look for in 5yial !!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811191826360.28799-100000@rebutosa>
On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Dennis Leeflang wrote:
> Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> <<<<Man, if you lived near my home>>>>
>
> I'm glad I don't.....
You don't know what you're missing. :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:58:32 -0500 From: illusion@ibbs.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar. Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.18.11.19.15.58.32.2781591004.1410569@bbs.ibbs.com>
YT>Sami Poimala wrote:
YT>> Hello all! YT>> YT>> What guitar does John use? I know there are JPM100P2, 3 and 4 Ibanez YT>> guitars. And newer JPM90 but those are all 6-string guitars. What is his YT>> 7-string guitar? I know, it's Ibanez also but what type? YT>> YT>> Sami
YT> Last time i checked he was using custom made Ibanez Universe's
It's the RG series. Message sent via Illusions BBS.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:35:57 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Arch Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.981119133115.57902D-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
Someone wondered: "Does anyone think Fates Warning 'got good' with No Exit and Perfect Symmetry?"
No, Awaken The Guardian is a tremendous album. It took a little while to grow on me when I first got it, but it's great. "Guardian" is one of those few songs that just absolutely takes you to another place. Simply magical. The rest of the album's quite good as well. Arch wrote cool lyrics, too.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:05:56 -0500 From: illusion@ibbs.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Best Drummers Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.18.11.19.-16.5.56.2781591004.1410572@bbs.ibbs.com>
So who are the best drummers? (this includes creativity, speed, and endurance)
I'd say Jizmak Da Gusha and Mike Portnoy are on my list. :) Message sent via Illusions BBS.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:42:29 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: nope... Message-ID: <365490C5.CE344118@wavetech.net>
Dennis wrote:
>Kyle McCabe wrote: >what is that thing they're passing into the audience?>>>> >That's a guitar kabinet with no speakers in it... Cool eh? >D.
Sorry dewd, but I asked no such question. Recheck the jam in question.
-Taur
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:07:48 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: anybody heard of the gathering Message-ID: <19981119220748.10085.qmail@hotmail.com>
i thought the same thing the first time i heard them...until you hear more of them and it all sounds exaclty the same. she has real limited vocal range and, like i said, music all sounds real doomy with no variation.
>Hi, I just heard the band "The Gathering", with this most wonderful >female voice... >Has anybody listened to them?
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:21:06 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: D-Man MIA Message-ID: <559ed609.365499d2@aol.com>
If D-man is still on this list, please e-mail me. I accidently deleted your message. If not, could someone please drop me a line and tell me how to get in contact with him. Thanks.
Richie
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:30:17 -0500 From: "earthblind, starbound" <leper@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: guy movies Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981119173017.007ab280@pop.mindspring.com>
>readjust the testosterone level in the theaters? I mean, according to >Bafu's definition, the way for Bruckheimer to make it into a true "guy" >movie would be for Liv Tyler to be severely mauled by flaming shrapnel from >the space shuttle, which would have exploded into thousands of razor-sharp >pieces upon reentry.
Sounds like a fantastic idea. This could be a big moneymaker. I see it now:-- Liv Tyler, Cindy Crawford, Kate Moss, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Alanis Morrissette and her naked MTV sucking ass, Tori Spelling, Sharon Stone, and Calista Flockhart in "Reservoir Tip Dogs." The girls play big time criminals attempting to hold the world hostage from their secret base in Alcatraz. But one of them is a traitor, and the violence escalates with hilarious concequences.
Interspliced with terribly artistic sepia-toned scenes of Jennifer Love Hewitt eating out Sharon Stone (which continues until the end of the movie, when Liv Tyler bursts into their secret love nest with an AK-47 and turns them into hamburger meat), the terrorists combat a crack anti-terrorist force led by Keanu Reeves and the doomed Brad Pitt--and each other.
Many deaths ensue. Chainsaw, explosively boobytrapped feminine wash, explosions, incendiary grenades, rocket launchers, falling rock-- sometimes three or four at the same time. When Liv Tyler finally gets it from Keanu Reeves' sword play amidst the final firefight, the combination beheading/shooting/burmese tiger trap/sprayed with gasoline by the dying Calista and set on fire/infection by the terrorist's super-ebola virus/paper cut death is pure Academy Awards material.
I'm buying an advance ticket right now and they haven't even started shooting.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:48:22 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Fish, Arch vs. Alder Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981119174822.0069f4b4@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids.....
Dave T. answered my query: >Yes, Fish is Scottish. I have not yet heard the new Ayreon CD (anyone know a >good place to order it from?)
I grabbed it from the Laser's Edge ( http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd ) for $18. Well worth that ridiculously low price for a two-disc set of such great stuff. BTW, Laser's Edge also has insane prices on Symphony X CDs, for the fellow who was inquiring about good places to get Symphony X.
The CyberWolf wrote: >Where as, being a huge QR fan, [Ray] Alder is aging a tad bit more gracefully >than mr. [Geoff] Tate, unfortunately.
Yeah, but Ray doesn't smoke. :) (well, not really, but with all the time FW's spent in smoke-filled clubs over the years, you'd think it'd be pretty much the same thing).
I'll wait for the next QR album to see if Geoff has made as big a turnaround vocals-wise as it's rumored; reports are good from what I hear.
ta, Phil
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:48:59 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Somebody bootleg an upcoming MP Drum Clinic! *MINOR SPOILERS* Message-ID: <16d8a1a9.3654a05b@aol.com>
Hey all -
Just wanted to make a request for someone to get a recording of one of MP's upcoming drum clinics. He does this MAD drum solo in the middle of the show which is a medley of a TON of classic rock, metal, and pop song drum beats. Very cool stuff, but I only brought a camera when I saw the clinic in Albany, NY. I would assume that the policy holds true everywhere: they allowed cameras, audio, and video taping at the Albany clinic. If someone gets a good recording of the solo, maybe they can send it off to Ryan Whitaker or somebody for inclusion on a CD boot? :-)
That's it for now.... Matt T.
NP: Guitar Battle: "Purple Rain" featuring John Petrucci! WooHoo!
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:16 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Where Can I Get a Hold Of "Live Bonus Tracks"? Message-ID: <1e4122c.3654a198@aol.com>
Hey -
One more thing...
Does anyone know where I can get a hold of a CD copy of DT's "Live Bonus Tracks"? I think I remember somewhere back, this was mentioned to be a promo, maybe in France? Derek's got it listed on his official site in the discography, in case anyone's interested to see what it looks like (www.dereksherinian.com). The track list looks like it contains the BMS/AH/TKH medley from the Japanese "Hollow Years", but it also has CIA9ITG and TAMP also LIVE! I'll even settle for a CDR copy, if anyone has the capability to make me a copy. Surely, SOMEONE on this list must have a copy. Please drop me a line. Thanx!!
- Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:16:46 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Niel Message-ID: <3654A6DE.DD25122C@wavetech.net>
Mauracio plead: >can somebody tell me on which songs Peart does >a noticeable double bass drumming?
I know he used db in the "ASoH" Tour.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:10:41 -0200 From: "Vladimir Dourado" <vdourado@tecepe.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: fats drummers Message-ID: <000801be1411$e68aacc0$6abdf6c8@vdourado>
Hi jammers...
I want to know what=B4s your definition of fast drummers...
I think Virgil Donati is the fastest drummer on the whole world...but...i= s he a drummer?? i think he=B4s an acrobat...
To me, the drums aren=B4t to be played fast...but MUSICALLY played...
Sure...tehre are too many drummers that are fast...and also...very musical...like Simon Phillips!
My concept of fast drummer and also very musical is BILLY COBHAM...
He puts any of the drummers on his feets...and...let=B4s compare the musi= cal importance of Billy Cobham,...with the liquefier sound of Virgil Donati=B4= s solos...
It=B4s just my point of view...
Cheers...
Vlad Rocha
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:19:15 -0500 From: Herman Feltersnatch <herman@dog.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ordering info for "Devin Townsend - Infinity" Message-ID: <199811192321.PAA14740@knight.axnet.net>
I've had Infinity for several days now, and so far it's one of the best CDs i've heard this year. Fans of Ocean Machine should love it. It's like OM on crack.
Anyway, to the person asking for alternate places to order it, this is where I found it:
http://members.aol.com/amcyber1/Homepage/AM.htm
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:27:07 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: you wanna know the truth Message-ID: <19981119232707.3312.qmail@hotmail.com>
I'll tell you the truth
you're gonna burn in a lake of fire
but that being besides the point, lemme just say this
> Also I'm curious whether most people think Fates "got good" on No > Exit, or Perfect Symmetry. Input?
Fates Warning got "good" (in my book anyway)with Awaken The Guardian. Fates is a band in which you can definitely see a progression from album to album (use of the word entirely valid, and not facetitious), all the way from the Maiden clone days of night on brocken through parallels.....
then they tried to re-capture parallels in Inside Out, and then realizing what they'd done, they went completely out of left field on APSOG. one man's opinion
but it was on Awaken the Guardian that Fates really found themselves as a band for the first time.....TSW is sorta their experiment with what music we can create on our own that doesn't rip off Steve Harris too blatantly, and AtG is the realization of that exploration.
If you see No Exit as the maturation of fates, then I'll say this....notice how Ray Alder tries to emulate much of John Arch's vocal stylings on that album....if you've ever heard any live fates from that era, ray completely, well, sucks....it's, at least for me, very tough to listen to his vocals, and at the same time, believe that its the same guy who totally blew me away, vocally, twice on the APSOG tour, and again on Still Life, and I'm told on the video (whenever it is that i get around to purchasing it)
partha
(still on that maiden kick, can ya tell? :)
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:26:44 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytse jam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Top 10 rock solo's Message-ID: <001901be1416$c2345c40$3c710ed1@matiasfr>
Hi Jamersss! Here is my top 10 rock solo's:
1_Since i've been loving you _ Jimmy Page. 2_Mr. Crowley _Randy Rhoads . 3 _Sultans of swing _Mark Nokpfler 4_ Killer queen _Bran May 5_ Shine on you crazy d.. _David Gilmour 6_Under a glass moon _ john Petrucci 7_highway star _Ritchie Blackmore 8_ eruption _Eddie van Halen 9_where were you _Jeff Beck 10_princes of the down _Wolf Hoffman
well ,is very hard to select only ten _ try to do it better!
Agustin [Matija]. From Argentina
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:10:35 EST From: OmegaMusic@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: NEW ELP LIVE DOUBLE CD, and aplatypus Message-ID: <6e3e67c3.3654b37b@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-11-18 14:23:36 EST, you write:
<< Secondly, I have on back order Platypus and would love to know what other think of it. I know I won't be disappointed, but just want to have a sneak preview. >>
I love it! Ty Tabor is the man, no doubt about it.
Rob
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:00:29 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: somebody wants to know about Conception, mp3s Message-ID: <199811200001.TAA24904@maila.wm.edu>
Hey,
I saw that someone in an earlier jam wanted to know some stuff about Conception. Yes, they do have a website up, or rather did.. *quick check* - yup, there it is:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/1360/ I don't think they have any sound samples up.. last time I checked it was under construction. The maintainer is a bit slow on stuff, too, just so you know. The only mp3 file I found would be part of "The Last Sunset" by them, which I would be happy to ICQ over or something. If anyone has any other places to find (possibly full) mp3s of their songs, I myself would greatly appreciate it as well!! Conception is some kickass stuff, I really highly endorse it to anyone and everyone. It's a shame they broke up.
>I can not get MP3 files right, so I'm screwed when it comes to the >Ytsejam on kb. What can I do? There is a LOT of MP3 crap out there >now, and I just get stupid writing... Well, one thing you might want to do is to right-click on the link, and "save as" - it's worked for me when I had problems and kept getting the stupid gibberish. Sorry if this makes it to the jam after someone else mentions it....just trying to share my (minimal) computer wisdom! :)
jam on, Alex
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:25:40 -0500 From: drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: James Labrie is the MAN!!!!! Message-ID: <19981119.194030.9654.0.drussell29@juno.com>
I am so fucking sick of hearing you people on here saying that James Labrie Sucks!!! If you hate him so much go fuck yourselves and get lost cause the "REAL FANS" don't wanna hear it!! OH YEAH!!!!! Dan Russell
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:24:58 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: That fat dude.... Message-ID: <3653E3EA.B0C03D16@winshop.com.au>
Stickman wrote:
> That fat dude can play faster and heavier than any other drummer on > this planet... He will even beat MP...
Actually Vinnie Paul couldn't even touch MP - he plays 'heavier' maybe, but the velocity that one can strike with a drum skin with doesn't mean shit and MP is faster than VP anyday.
Btw, as far as speed is concerned (on all limbs), along with overall technique and precision, Virgil Donati tears all over both of them - BIGTIME!!
So now you know....
Luke.
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