YTSEJAM Digest 4439
Today's Topics:
1) Neil Schon / Journey
by "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br>
2) Recommended
by Nuno <bnavarro@ppp1.colband.com.br>
3) Journey Tour
by rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
4) Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar.
by "Eren Gumrukcuoglu" <paprezzi@mailandnews.com>
5) observations on new elp CD
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
6) Peart and Double Bass
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
7) St. Louis Portnoy Clinic
by Jeff Perrot <jperrot@siue.edu>
8) Fates Warning
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
9) Liv Tyler -- NDTC
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
10) Journey, "How's it hangin', Steve?", and my guitar has morning wood.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) D-man (NDTC, NOC, NDMC)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
12) Re: Liv Tyler -- NDTC
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) Re: Best Drummers
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
14) Symphony X MP3s (NDTC)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) Re: pearts double bass
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:05:45 -0200
From: "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Neil Schon / Journey
Message-ID: <002201be1421$e888ac60$cc2fffc8@fox>
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Hey!! Have you heard something about a Journey bootleg live with Steve =
Auggeri
on vocals? Here in Brazil i heard someone, but i've never seen one.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:33:51 -0200
From: Nuno <bnavarro@ppp1.colband.com.br>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Recommended
Message-ID: <3654C6FF.728F28FA@colband.com.br>
Well, Max, I can recommend you Angra, especially their last album
Fireworks. If you want an epic album, buy their second album called Holy
Land. Fireworks is heavier than Holy Land, but it's more simple.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:01:59 -0800
From: rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Journey Tour
Message-ID: <3654CD95.B133CAC8@earthlink.net>
While it is true that neither Steve nor Steve is in the band, I have
heard that this tour really goes back to the olden (meaning good) days
of Journey....not all the sappy crap, but lots of rockin'!! I'll be
seeing them in L.A. on Dec 12, so I'll be posting my review! :-)
rockercat
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:16:30 -0500
From: "Eren Gumrukcuoglu" <paprezzi@mailandnews.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>, <illusion@ibbs.com>
Subject: Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar.
Message-ID: <01be142b$c908d0e0$db50ad98@default>
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Hey........!
hell noooo!!!!
whats wrong with you people?????
I am reading all these different weird ideas about JPs 7-string guitars
Lemme say this:
now he has his own custom 7-string Ibanez guitars which ALSO have the =
same=20
Picasso Pattern on them just like the black and white 7-string JPM but =
this time
it is white and black :) ....and body is of course an RG ( like most of =
the other guitars that famous Ibanez players' guitars even JEMs -except =
the monkeygrasp- )
so......and I think that Ibanez will manifacture it probably next year =
as the new JPM=20
model
Laters,
a regular reader for years, a lazy writer for ages........
Eren " the guitarist " GUMRUKCUOGLU (from Turkey)
e-mail: paprezzi@mailandnews.com
( The way your heart beats makes all the difference in learning to live =
)
DT, SyVy, Greg, Boru, * rulez.
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noooo!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>whats wrong with you =
people?????</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am reading all these different weird =
ideas about=20
JPs 7-string guitars</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lemme say this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now he has his own custom 7-string =
Ibanez guitars=20
which ALSO have the same </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Picasso Pattern on them just like the =
black and=20
white 7-string JPM but this time</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it is white and black :) ....and body =
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guitars even=20
JEMs -except the monkeygrasp- )</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>so......and I think that Ibanez will =
manifacture it=20
probably next year as the new JPM </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>model</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>Laters,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>a=20
regular reader for years, a lazy writer for ages........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>Eren " the =
guitarist "=20
GUMRUKCUOGLU (from Turkey)<BR>e-mail: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:paprezzi@mailandnews.com">paprezzi@mailandnews.com</A></FO=
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>( The way your heart =
beats makes all=20
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:45:57 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: observations on new elp CD
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981119214557.007bf330@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
You know, I have listened to Then and Now, the new double cd from ELP
capturing their 98 tour, and I am a bit disturbed. Keith's playing is
sloppy. I know this may be due to his arm surgery, but hell, on Ho-down, he
is horrific. This guy is my idol, and he just seems like he is losing it
due to age, injyury, or maybe both. I don't remember him soundding like
that live. could it be that another star is falling? First, Rush, then DT,
:), then this? I mean, it's bad enough that Yes and Genesis are on that
downward spiral, now all this? I hopeDT isn't heading down this trail.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:54:25 +0000
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Peart and Double Bass
Message-ID: <3654938F.5F5BD527@mindspring.com>
Actually, I cannot name a definitive example, but being a fairly big Rush, Peart,
and Drum afficiando as I am, quote the wolf, he HAS definately used double bass (and
the pedal) before... But because most of us today are used to this HUGE sound of
POUNDING bass drums, I think his was much more subtle, much like his INSANE cymbal
work, which also is another trademark of a certain Mr. Zonder. The little subtleties
sometimes force us to miss was is actually there. So there. ANyhow, I'm not
pertinent to a specific example right now, but I'd bet your first born on it. Later.
Scott M.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:14:09 -0600
From: Jeff Perrot <jperrot@siue.edu>
To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: St. Louis Portnoy Clinic
Message-ID: <3654DE80.57B9C18D@siue.edu>
Well, Mike told me I had to write this, so here it is, and I know you're
reading Mike :)
Anyway, the clinic was incredible. I'll just go over some brief
details:
Taking my seat, the first thing I noticed was some new music I hadn't
heard before. It only took me 2 seconds to figure out "Hey, this is
LTE2!" And sure enough, when Mike started, he said it was some stuff
they taped for the second album. I just have to say that it's gonna be
an awesome sequel! Every bit as good as the first....
Mike started out by playing a few short solos, and then he stopped to
catch his breath and take a drink, saying that we should clap a lot
because it gives him a lot of chances to drink. Needless to say, we
applauded so much I think he got tired of drinking. :)
He then explained his setup (he was using a borrowed set), and played
some more. He played along to Paradigm Shift and Kindred Spirits. Next
he explained some theory concepts ("mathematics" as he calls them), and
gave some examples of odd time signatures. After that he played the
middle section of Metropolis, and we hummed the non-drum parts. He
ended it off with a Q&A session and then played Erotomania, which I
guessed right away from his description of the time signatures. :)
Well, this is getting long, so I'll wrap it up. I just want to say that
Mike is the greatest drummer ever, both as a person and a musician. He
allowed us to take pictures, videos, audio, whatever. They also sold
his set when he was done, and I bought a 12" Sabian Splash and had him
sign it. Really cool. :)
I highly recommend you go and see him if you can, whether you're a
drummer or not. You'll definitely get something out if it.
Jeff Perrot
P.S. I met a few people there, but no one from the list. I was the
short guy wearing the Awake T-shirt and sitting in the 2nd row. Let me
know if you saw me....
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:42:09 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <19981120034209.27165.qmail@hotmail.com>
Pat Sullivan chortled Slick Willie's Copenhagen snuff:
>>>I always find it interesting that Fates Warning went from being a
metal band with a prog singer (Arch era), to a prog band with a
more metal singer (Alder).<<<
Cool that this is mentioned. Um, when was the transition from metal
to prog? Was it No Exit or Perfect Symmetry?
Thanx,
-maX
NP: Mansun - Attack Of The Grey Lantern
Cusco - Apurimac III
Nikki Brooks - Dreams To Nightmares
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:59:13 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Liv Tyler -- NDTC
Message-ID: <19981120035916.16152.qmail@hotmail.com>
I mean, according to
> Bafu's definition, the way for Bruckheimer to make it into a true
"guy"
> movie would be for Liv Tyler to be severely mauled by flaming shrapnel
from
> the space shuttle, which would have exploded into thousands
ofrazor-sharp
> pieces upon reentry.>> And, maybe, I would have cheered.>
Um, I guess I'm not a "real" guy then...
Earle Jason then barfed up tiny little maggots that were eating at
his eyeballs:
>>>She would have to have enormous titties, and at least 15 minutes of
movie devoted
to her topless on a trampoline. I believe I am speaking for all males
here.<<<
No. Liv Tyler is finer than just about anyone just the way she is.
Enormous titties are not that attractive to me... but Liv topless on a
trampoline? Oooh.... ;-)
-maX
NP: Same as before...
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:11:33 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Journey, "How's it hangin', Steve?", and my guitar has morning wood.
Message-ID: <008a01bcf505$d9e16440$330d84d0@korgx3>
>Yes, Neal Schon is still with Journey, but alas however, Steve Smith is
>not. Steve has been replaced with Deen Castronovo who is drumming monster
LOL! I guess they should just go as Bad English again. heheh. There's
more original members of that band present than of Journey! Well, then
again, Neil and Ross have been the only original members of Journey since
Gregg Rollie left in what? 1980? Cut me some slack, I was still reading
Golden Books [tm] and playing with my Computron at the time. :)
Nevertheless, they continue to rock, if not soothe, my nadz.
And I will also give a hats off to Steve Augerri. I have the Tall Stories
CD he sings on and he's great. He doesn't have that wicked
wart/mole/conjoined twin thing growing south of the mouth like Steve Perry
had either. :)
>While it is true that neither Steve nor Steve is in the band, I have
Weird when you think about it. Two wrongs make a right so I guess two
Steves make, um... a Steve. Kind of like Michael Keaton in Multiplicity or
something. Now if we boot Steve Z. and Bafu Vai off the jam, maybe a cool
Steve would actually show up! (Screw you guys I'm only kidding.) Our luck
George Farber or that "RUSH IS FUCKING TRASH! I'D PUT IT IN A TRASH CAN!"
guy would return or something. :P
>I hope you know that almost every single Ibanez guitar is basswood. All
Yup My RG is and I'm pretty sure my Washburn is, too. I never have a
problem with the Floyd on either of them. I hadn't even played the Washburn
for like 6 months or more and just did the other night. Even through all
the climatic and seasonal changes it was still in perfect tune although it
has Tenderflakycrispycrusty strings. If most guitar luthiers think that
basswood sucks for Floyds then it would amaze me as to why the major guitar
manufacturers use it so much. I'm sure there are cheaper woods (not woulds,
damn homonyms) they could use. :) Maybe I can have a special order Balsa
or maybe even a sheetrock guitar. Mmmmm... particle board...
>Re: Arch vs. Alder.
Thought this read Birch vs. Alder for a minute. C'mon guys, we're
discussing wood here, not vocalists. Aldur is most definitely the wood of
choice because it gives better sustain in the higher registers, better tone,
and while it is often compared to certain other woods (the Geoffery Cedar,
for example) it tends to age better and hold its polish longer. The Birch
on the other hand is generally used in second rate instances and cheaper
fabrications. While many luthiers use this type of wood, most actual guitar
players tend to discard it as it has a tendency to warble and warp
unexpectedly. However, a few guitarists swear by it, claiming it writes the
best lyrics or something... AS far as the Geoffery Cedar goes, it seems the
most use that wood gets anymore is the manufacturing of hope chests for
pimple faced adolescent girls to throw their stinky panties in. I hope to
see it become a luthiers wood of choice again someday.
Max gargled 10 pounds of Crisco naked in front of a 7-11 to Oingo Boingo:
>Pat Sullivan chortled Slick Willie's Copenhagen snuff
Dude, Max, where the hell do you come up with these? heheh.
Where's Long Duck Dong when you need him?
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:26:40 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: D-man (NDTC, NOC, NDMC) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811200224230.7535-100000@rebutosa>
Chris Merlo (D-Man), if you are still subscribed to the list, could you please e-mail me?
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:28:37 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Liv Tyler -- NDTC Message-ID: <3654eff50e69003@mhub4.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:16:55 -0800 (PST) from "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>:
> No. Liv Tyler is finer than just about anyone just the way she is.
Okay, I just gotta say that you're smoking crack. Liv Tyler needs about a million hours under the knife before her face would be halfway decent. And she's just as freakin sick as her dad...what a couple of pervs they are. They might as well just put out a porno of themselves and get it over with.
-Brian
PS: If you wanna disagree with me, save us both some time by recording your comments and cramming the tape up your ass, cause I don't give a fuck.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:14:29 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Best Drummers Message-ID: <199811200432.UAA10433@knight.axnet.net>
In a message dated Thu, 9 Nov 1998 16:05:56-0500, you asked:
>So who are the best drummers? (this includes creativity, speed, and endurance)<
First off I would like to say that there is no such thing as "the best" when it comes to self-expression. Everyone expresses themselves differently. Therefore the only one they are competing with is themselves, not anyone else.
That aside I will list my Favorite (note I did not say "best") drummers. This is in no particular order. And yes, they all fit the criteria mentioned.
Neil Peart Mike Portnoy Mark Zonder Terry Bozzio Billy Cobham
Thorin
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Symphony X MP3s (NDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981119234220.27299A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
Considering the fact that the only good mp3 of SX stuff I've heard (there were a couple of medium-quality ones I heard, but...), I'm making a request for anybody who has SX CDs and the ability to make MP3s off CDs to make some SX mp3s for me. If you're willing to do this for me, I have a place you could upload them. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:45:11 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: pearts double bass Message-ID: <19981120044512.15094.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hmmm... I can't wait to get the CD now, cause I could sware he doesn't play it that way on the studio version, of Closer to the Heart obviously, since he wasn't the drummer on their self titled debute album with Working Man on it. And I don't even think Rusty knew what double bass was! :) So I'm psyched now ... can't wait 'til I have the money to buy it.
Mike
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:43:25 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Re: pearts double bass > > ><<Well, to my knowledge, he uses his double bass in fills and breaks, rather >than riding on them as continuous 16th notes. As far as songs goes, I >can't remember any specific fills or beats, and I don't have any CDs with >me for a few days. Anyone out there?>> > >I know that I DEFINITELY hear double bass douring the "chorus" part of >Working Man on the 3rd CD from Different Stages (thats why they call me the >workin man! dada dada dada etc...that part) and also on Closer to the Heart at >the end on Different Stages. My guess is that its not as noticable when he does >it as when someone like, say Portnoy would do it, mainly because of how high >the bass drum might be set in the mix. > >Matt > > > >===================================================== >"A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct >will flush your mind not a trend. Go against >right down the drain." the grain until the end." > > -Dream Theater -Metallica >===================================================== > > >
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