YTSEJAM Digest 4440
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Best Drummers
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Best Drummers
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
3) Re: JPM 7 strings
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Top 10 rock solo's
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
5) Re: Best Drummers
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
6) Re: Best Drummers
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4436
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) Terry Bozzio - Un-fuckin'-believable!
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
9) Neil Peart's T4E Kit
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
10) Drummers
by "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
11) FinnHomos on 5YIAL
by Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
12) Re: Fish, Arch vs. Alder
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4438
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
14) lesbian tongue fests and KMFDM again...
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
15) Psycho Fan Psycho Fan, Scares Away Bands Like No One Else Can
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
16) My forbidden... dare I say the word?... OPINION!!!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:52 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Drummers
Message-ID: <19981120045552.28288.qmail@hotmail.com>
Are we talkin' of all time? Cause I got a few for that list, like:
John Bonham, Neil Peart, Keith Moon, Terry Bozzio, Steve Smith, Buddy
Rich .. wow so many more too that I can't think of. I've heard mention
of a lot of drummers on this list that I must admit (shamedly) that I've
never heard of. I wasn't always the most exposed, if ya get my meaning.
Hey, not to go completely off the subject, but anyone here a Star Wars
fan? The new movie's going to be out soon, the first in the series of
prequels, Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace! I saw the preview
tonight on the news, and it was completely AWESOME!! I can't wait! :)
Mike
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:16:13 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: illusion@ibbs.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Best Drummers
>
>
>So who are the best drummers? (this includes creativity, speed, and
>endurance)
>
>I'd say Jizmak Da Gusha and Mike Portnoy are on my list. :)
>Message sent via Illusions BBS.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:56:25 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Drummers
Message-ID: <19981120045626.21360.qmail@hotmail.com>
Are we talkin' of all time? Cause I got a few for that list, like:
John Bonham, Neil Peart, Keith Moon, Terry Bozzio, Steve Smith, Buddy
Rich .. wow so many more too that I can't think of. I've heard mention
of a lot of drummers on this list that I must admit (shamedly) that I've
never heard of. I wasn't always the most exposed, if ya get my meaning.
Hey, not to go completely off the subject, but anyone here a Star Wars
fan? The new movie's going to be out soon, the first in the series of
prequels, Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace! I saw the preview
tonight on the news, and it was completely AWESOME!! I can't wait! :)
Mike
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:16:13 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: illusion@ibbs.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Best Drummers
>
>
>So who are the best drummers? (this includes creativity, speed, and
>endurance)
>
>I'd say Jizmak Da Gusha and Mike Portnoy are on my list. :)
>Message sent via Illusions BBS.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:02:07 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: JPM 7 strings
Message-ID: <19981120050207.11954.qmail@hotmail.com>
That's awesome. You were actually chatting with him? Does he chat
there alot? Does he chat anywhere else that anyone knows of? How about
any of the other members of the band, especially Mike of course.
Mike
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:14:45 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: JPM 7 strings
>
>
><<Those are the ones I know of. I have frequently wondered why, if so
many DT
>songs are on a 7 string, the JPM models are not 7 strings themselves.
Not
>that they don't kick ass in their own right.>>
>
>
>I think its cause of the same reason JP doesnt use strictly 7 strings.
In the AOL
>LTE chat a while back, someone asked that same question, and Petrucci
said its
>because he thinks differently on the two different instruments.
>
>Matt
>
>
>
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>"A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct
>will flush your mind not a trend. Go against
>right down the drain." the grain until the end."
>
> -Dream Theater -Metallica
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:09:40 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Top 10 rock solo's
Message-ID: <19981120050941.14997.qmail@hotmail.com>
Under a Glass Moon was the best solo of all time I think. I love that
natural progression the whole thing takes. Then the pull off and "burp
thingies" (for lack of a better word or knowledge of what that is he
does there) that he does right before the last scale downward. Just an
awesome combonation of notes!
Mike
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:00:55 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com
>From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Top 10 rock solo's
>
>
>Hi Jamersss!
>Here is my top 10 rock solo's:
>
>1_Since i've been loving you _ Jimmy Page.
>2_Mr. Crowley _Randy Rhoads .
>3 _Sultans of swing _Mark Nokpfler
>4_ Killer queen _Bran May
>5_ Shine on you crazy d.. _David Gilmour
>6_Under a glass moon _ john Petrucci
>7_highway star _Ritchie Blackmore
>8_ eruption _Eddie van Halen
>9_where were you _Jeff Beck
>10_princes of the down _Wolf Hoffman
>
>well ,is very hard to select only ten _ try to do it better!
>
>Agustin [Matija]. From Argentina
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:17:24 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Drummers
Message-ID: <3654fb631d08001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:00 -0800 (PST)
from "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> Are we talkin' of all time? Cause I got a few for that list, like:
>
> John Bonham, Neil Peart, Keith Moon, Terry Bozzio, Steve Smith, Buddy
> Rich ..
Ummm...has anyone ever heard of a guy named Bonham? John, or jack, or
something. He played for some little band called The New Yardbirds or
something...he like rulz and stuph biznatch.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:18:54 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Drummers
Message-ID: <3654fbbd15f1001@mhub4.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:40 -0800 (PST)
from "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> Are we talkin' of all time? Cause I got a few for that list, like:
>
---> John Bonham, Neil Peart, Keith Moon, Terry Bozzio, Steve Smith, Buddy
You know, I'm just the blindest, stupidest moron around. Kindly ignore me,
or push me off low cliffs.
-Brian
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:51:40 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4436
Message-ID: <5c58e155.3655036c@aol.com>
>< > It's too bad that Arch never got a chance
> to sing on more progressive songs (as FW was more metal back then).
I always find it interesting that Fates Warning went from being a metal band
with a prog singer (Arch era), to a prog band with a more metal singer (Alder)
><
I think it has more to do with the likes of Zonder, vera, etc.
Jim
NP: OIaL disc 1
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:33:56 -0600
From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Terry Bozzio - Un-fuckin'-believable!
Message-ID: <36550D4D.FE1D1C21@bigplanet.com>
OH MY FUCKING GOD! I just got back from a Bozzio drum clinic in San
Antonio, and all I have to say is that there is not a better drummer on
the planet! Black Light Syndrome, Explorer's Club, and Sex & Religion
don't even begin to show just how incredible this man is. Portnoy ain't
shit and Peart ain't all that great compared to this guy (and believe
me, I know how much that is saying. I wouldn't say that to this
easily-inflamed group if I didn't absolutely mean it). If you don't
believe me, go to one of his drum clinics or find a copy of Drawing the
Circle, his newest solo drum album (it's real hard to find, but VERY
worth it).
Bozzio has totally redefined the drum kit. His composititions aren't
just cool rhythmic stuff, altho' that's there in abundance. There's
more melody and tonality, just overal musicality, in his playing than I
thought possible with a drum kit (even one that takes up the space a
whole band normally takes). He played themes and melodies on his toms
AND Cymbals (all tuned to specific pitches). Even watching him play the
music, I still couldn't believe that there was only one person playing
that. I just cannot look at other drummers the same any more. Bozzio
is on such a different level. I can no longer think of other drummers
as "incredible." Yeah, they're pretty damn good, but GOD! Bozzio is
just so far ahead. He's a genius on the level of Bach and Mozart. He
is changing perceptions of the drum kit. Guys like Portnoy, Peart, and
Beauford (Dave Matthews Band) raise the bar to new hights, but Bozzio
made a new bar. totally un-fuckin'-believable.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:48:02 -0500
From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Neil Peart's T4E Kit
Message-ID: <36551EB2.9F53FCE8@bu.edu>
If I recall from the one Test for Echo show I saw and the tape I've
seen, Neil had two kits. One in the front and one in the back. One had
two bass drums and the other had one. When Neil needed one, he just had
to have his kit rotate 180 degrees.
Isaac
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:58:12 -0700 From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Drummers Message-ID: <HPJFJFMPLKEFAAAA@mailcity.com>
About the best drummers thing:
I don't know shit 'bout speed (of no importance) or endurance (also of no importance, at least not in a studio), but when it comes to creativity I'd put these on top of my list...
Neil Peart Bill Bruford Phil Collins (Why did he quit? Why did Peter Gabriel give him the opportunity of singing? Damn, he could have become really awesome...) and, last but not least - our beloved Mike Portnoy (but sometimes he overplays - gotta admit it)
O
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:20:49 +0200 From: Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: FinnHomos on 5YIAL Message-ID: <F12B2785885AD1118687000629866EED0DBD83@AVENAEXC>
Someone mentioned a gay sighting on the DT video, in the clip from Finnish Nummirock festival during the chat with Pantera & Slayer dudes...
I got the video yesterday (cheap! FIM 112 for me, the CD was FIM 149) and absolutely love it. I'm in the video too :)) in the Nummirock crowd... I haven't been able to find myself there yet, but I know I'm there. Hehe.
Anyway, about the two guys kissing. You don't actually see them kiss now do you? Actually, I'm 99,9% sure that these guys are straight (nothing wrong being gay)... this is common behaviour when Finnish people get drunk, esp. among men who rarely show their feelings otherwise. I can imagine the scenario "oh man, i love your shirt, where did you get that awesome tee shirt. have some booze oh give me a hug i love your shirt" *drunken growl* :-)) I'm positive that 90 % of the Nummirock crowd was drunk during DT's set. Hmmm... quite an experience to play on Midsummer Eve...
Anyway, from the girly point of view, I'm so glad they included that Awake era footage, Wowow stuff, when long hair was still "in"... *drool*... hahahahahhahahahahaaaa... "5YIAL" is very entertaining and interesting, no chance of getting bored eventho' it's long. I think it belongs to "things that make you go mmmmmmm"... :)
Alrighty then.
Tanja (Tenze)
for Finnish DT pics (not from Nummirock...): http://members.tripod.com/Tenze/dtpics3.htm
Jens Johansson's pics from Nummi (bottom of the page): :-)) http://www.heptagon.se/summer98/
P.S. No one mentioned the movie "Rock'n'roll highschool" as their fave rock movie... well, it's been my fave since forever.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:25:42 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: Nothing To Say <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Fish, Arch vs. Alder Message-ID: <199811200825.kaa04930@estcard.ee>
]From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
> Yeah, but Ray doesn't smoke. :) (well, not really, but with all the time > FW's spent in smoke-filled clubs over the years, you'd think it'd be > pretty much the same thing).
Well, as much as I've heard, it's pretty much the other way round: Geoff Tate has quit smoking and Ray Alder inhales thru the filter at least 40 units a day.
I'm only sure about the former, though, the Ray thing is just me quoting what's been said on the jam.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:35:52 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4438 Message-ID: <199811200835.kaa05229@estcard.ee>
]From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
> Btw, as far as speed is concerned (on all limbs), along with overall > technique and precision, Virgil Donati tears all over both of them -
I have two first names and two last names for you.
Terry Bozzio. Vinnie Colaiuta.
Bozzio's playing is just monstrous and humongous, while Colaiuta is "secretly cruel". Can't think of anybody who can top them.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:57:16 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: lesbian tongue fests and KMFDM again... Message-ID: <19981120085717.8173.qmail@hotmail.com>
Earthblind, Starbound dazzled the ytsejam with beautiful words of inspiration:
>>>Sounds like a fantastic idea. This could be a big moneymaker. I see it now:-- Liv Tyler, Cindy Crawford, Kate Moss, Jennifer Love Hewitt,Alanis Morrissette and her naked MTV sucking ass, Tori Spelling, Sharon Stone,and Calista Flockhart in "Reservoir Tip Dogs."<<<
Left out Milla Jovovich. 5th Element. Perfect being...
>>>Interspliced with terribly artistic sepia-toned scenes of Jennifer Love Hewitt eating out Sharon Stone (which continues until the end of the movie),<<<
Would any guy here not just DIE to see that? OK, don't admit it. You know it's true.
>>>when Liv Tyler bursts into their secret love nest with an AK-47 and turns them into hamburger meat), the terrorists combat a crack anti-terrorist force led by Keanu Reeves and the doomed Brad Pitt--and each other.<<<
Now this IS a good storyline... but what's the moral?
-maX
NP: KMFDM - Retro
This was just re-released! It's a compillation that covers KMFDM's entire career! No unreleased stuff, but if you want that, Agogo has it and that was just released too! The cover is a silhouette (did I spell that right?) of a really hot naked chich with her arms in the air, and little planes flyi8ng around her legs. They're also going to release the REAL 1st album early next year...
Last playing: Mansun - Attack Of The Grey Lantern Nikki Brooks - Dreams To Nightmares
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:03:33 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Psycho Fan Psycho Fan, Scares Away Bands Like No One Else Can Message-ID: <36553065.C976C774@imap1.asu.edu>
Daniel C Russell sent us this classic thought: > I am so fucking sick of hearing you people on here saying that James > Labrie Sucks!!! > If you hate him so much go fuck yourselves and get lost cause the "REAL > FANS" don't wanna hear it!! OH YEAH!!!!!
OH YEAH!!!!! SNAP INTO A DAN-JIM!!!! (Eckie bites into a beef jerky unwittingly and pulls out his teeth trying to snap off a piece). Gwaod Dammiff!
All you non-DT members think you can out-do the Crazy Canuck of Prog Metal, eh? Well here's what I have to say to that eh....
To you uh, hosers out there who DO have the ability to sing at frequencies heard only by a small percentage of siamese cats during the mating season of the polka dotted swallows, if you're willing to relocate to Phoenix to start a progressive metal band to CRUSH DREAM THEATER, Please come down here. It be very very nice down here yessssss.
We'll call ourselves the Anti-LaBrie Squad and go around town crushing disco balls with the sound of your falsetto while I chug out magnificently heavy riffs through my Crate GX-20M, the practice amp of the GODS!!! We'll wear pink spandex and twirl our long hair around and skip in circles. (We're men...we're men in tights *PINK TIGHTS*). And just when you think you've been embarrassed enough, we're gonna chop off your balls and give Kevin Moore that testicular transplant he's been waiting for since that dreadful diagnosis. Twas a dark day in music when the sonic vibrations from a Casio My First Keyboard weren't filtered enough to prevent nad cancer, I tell you.
Oh come on now, you know it'd rock seeing KevMo or Derek with a Playschool keyboard endorsement!
~Eckie goes back to playing with his personally modified Teenage Mutant Ninja Dream Theater action figures
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:13:00 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: My forbidden... dare I say the word?... OPINION!!! Message-ID: <19981120091301.8239.qmail@hotmail.com>
Brian Hayden moans like a constipated cow as he gets ass rammed once more by his 93 year old gay lover:
> No. Liv Tyler is finer than just about anyone just the way she is.< >>>Okay, I just gotta say that you're smoking crack. Liv Tyler needs about a million hours under the knife before her face would be halfway decent.<<<
Well... sometimes I can see your point about the face. Does look a little "jagged" at times. But she's still pretty hot stuff. I was responding to someone saying she needed "enormous" breasts. And THOSE are just about right.
>>>And she's just as freakin sick as her dad...what a couple of pervs they are. They might as well just put out a porno of themselves and get it over with.<<<
Liv Tyler's screwing her DAD?!?! I never heard about this! Am I just way 'Disconnected'? That IS pretty nasty. Get your point there.
This will make me sound sick too, but hopefully you will understand me the right way. I can't really blame her dad though ;-) Still. Ugh...
Or is this just some tabloid crap you read somewhere and are just trying to spread around? 'Cuz I NEVER heard of that!
>>>-Brian
PS: If you wanna disagree with me, save us both some time by recording your comments and cramming the tape up your ass, cause I don't give a fuck.<<<
Then why didn't you save us time and not post to the fucking list about it?! At first it was all good and fun, but then you have to go and be a fucking dickhead about it! So what if we disagree? What the Hell do you care? I take it EVERYONE has to agree with YOU or they can go to Hell, right? You can go get fucked by Liv Tyler's dad! ... and I take it it's OK for YOU to talk shit but nobody else?! Eat me.
-maX
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