YTSEJAM Digest 4442
Today's Topics:
1) hi again
by "Merlo, Christopher" <ChristopherMerlo@Waterhouse.com>
2) Re: Alder/Arch
by psull@ici.net
3) keyboards
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
4) Re: Italianprog
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
5) VOCALISTS
by liquidrich@webtv.net
6) Re: Fish
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
7) RE: Terry Bozio
by Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
8) Hammerfall/Death show 12-13, Atlanta
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
9) Bozzio the God is more like it.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Had to get an ICP reference in there...
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
11) TB's Drum Kit
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
12) Ray Alder smoking
by MusicSnob@aol.com
13) Re: Had to get an ICP reference in there...
by "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Best drummer\SG\RE:James Labrie is the MAN!!!!!
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
15) CMC International
by Nick Guadagnoli <progrockboy@linkline.com>
16) Re: Great Drummers!
by Darth1@aol.com
17) buying used cd's
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
18) Re: Drummers
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
19) Re: fats drummers (I guess you mean fast...)
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
20) Best Drummers
by illusion@ibbs.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:13:00 -0500
From: "Merlo, Christopher" <ChristopherMerlo@Waterhouse.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: hi again
Message-ID: <2F7208E0A680D111A09B0060B0582BBC0134FAE3@usgront5.waterhouse.com>
Hey, folks. Long time, no type. First of all, I'd like to apologize
right up front here if this mail has that mime crap attached. I'm at
work, and using Micro$oft Outlook, which has got to be the least
user-friendly e-mail program I have ever seen. I'd give a major organ
or two to be able to work at a DEC VT-102 instead of NT. Yuck.
Anyway, I know I've been out of commission for a while. I had been
mooching my former roommate's ISP account, until it expired in October.
A search for a new ISP at home proved unproductive at best.
("L-i-n-u-x.... No, it doesn't run *with* Windows. It runs *instead*
of Windows.... You don't *have* to support it. Just give me an IP
number.") So, we're painting my house this weekend, after which I will
do some hardware upgrades to the box at home, so that I can temporarily
install Windows 98 to make some ISP happy for long enough to come
install a cable modem, and then I'll be online again. In the meantime,
obvoiusly, I can't read mail from home. I'm at work right now, and it's
a great job, but I can't receive outside mail at this account (go ahead
and try, but I'll never see it), and, even worse, I can't telnet out.
(Skadz is probably ready to kill me because of all the old mail taking
up disk space on his box.) On top of all that, I have met a most
incredible woman, so even if I had the opportunity to get to my e-mail,
I probably would find it difficult to find the time.
What I'm trying to say is that it ain't easy to get in touch with me
these days. :) If you want to write to say hi, you can send a message
(500 characters or less, Swifty :) to my pager (address below). And if
you *really* need to get to me, you can call me at work (from 10 to 6),
but don't be offended if I randomly hang up on you.
I'll be at the LI Drum Center clinic on 12/1. Hope to see a bunch of
you there. Um, go Giants, or something.
-d
Christopher Merlo
Waterhouse Securities, Inc., IS Production Group
Office: 201.369.8314 Fax: 201.332.5788
Pager: 888.422.0526 Text Pager: 4220526@skytel.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:22:36 -0500
From: psull@ici.net
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Alder/Arch
Message-ID: <199811201514.KAA03110@bajor.ici.net>
> I always find it interesting that Fates Warning went from being a metal
> band with a prog singer (Arch era), to a prog band with a more metal
> singer (Alder) ><
>
> I think it has more to do with the likes of Zonder, vera, etc.
I wasn't suggesting that Alder was the *cause* of the evolution, just
that it was an interesting juxtaposition.
___Pat Sullivan_______________
Email: psull@ici.net
ICQ: 2049374
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:23:33 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: keyboards
Message-ID: <003901be1499$be808c80$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
hey hey keys players (korg? damon?), i'm considering buying a cheap
workstation so i can write music and stuff. i'd like it to have workstaton
capabilities, i.e. sequencing, patch editing, and GM so i can hook it up to
my computer, a disk drive would be nice too, and also quite cheap, because i
don't play keys professionally or anything, i'm mainly a guitarist. i just
want something where i can mess around and write stuff. i use cakewalk but
it's not that easy to write inspired music when you have to click "half
note, G, quarter note, F, dotted eigth note, C, dammit i fucked up, delete
note..." So basically, what are the cheapest workstations out there that are
worth buying? i'm trying to stay away from the cheap yamaha "yes, even you
can play like a pro" kind of keyboards :) but yeah, i'm not too sure what
there is on the low end of workstations - my only experience is with the
korg X3 and roland xp-50 they had at school. thanks. moo.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:34:48 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Italianprog
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811201633400.26483-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Rahul Ananda wrote:
> This dude I know is going to Italy. If any of you kids
> know of any cool Italian/Euro prog that is readily
> available, kindly drop me an e-mail.
Italian Prog? Two names come to mind: Rhapsody and Time Machine
Also pick up Ayreon's Into The Electric Castle if you can.... (this is a
dutch 'band')
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:36:38 -0500 (EST)
From: liquidrich@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: VOCALISTS
Message-ID: <9480-36558C86-781@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
Don't forget about MICHAEL KISKE. He is a great high-register vocalist.
Check out HELLOWEEN "KEEPER OF THE SEVEN KEYS PART II". He is the man
to replace Blaze in IRON MAIDEN. It's too bad they did not use him to
replace Bruce Dickinson.
I would like to start a tape collection. I have the following DT:
-Live Images
-Kick Into A Dream
-'96 & '97 Fan Club cd's
-Kick into a Dream video
-Deer Park, NY live '92 ( 1st week of Images and Words tour where James
hits amazing notes on the Killing Hand, this is James in his prime!!! I
never heard James sing better.
-Lie, Silent Man, Wasted years singles
-1986 Demo as Majesty
Richi Copper
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:41:07 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Fish
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811201639290.26483-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Phil Carter wrote:
> After listening to Ayreon's "Into the Electric Castle" dozens of times
> since I acquired it last week,
Great move:-)
> I have decided that I quite like Fish's
> vocals. Is he Scottish,
He is.
> or does he just play a Scotsman very well? Are his
> vocals on Marillion's albums as good as they are on "Into the Electric
> Castle"?
They are.
> And what Marillion albums does Fish handle the vocals for?
Ummm... gotta check this one... I'm sure of Fugazi and Misplaced
Childhood though. Anyone else?
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:51:21 -0600
From: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: Terry Bozio
Message-ID: <365581E4.5497DE1B@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
>"OH MY FUCKING GOD! I just got back from a Bozzio drum clinic in
>San
>Antonio, and all I have to say is that there is not a better
>drummer on
>the planet! Black Light Syndrome, Explorer's Club, and Sex &
>Religion
>don't even begin to show just how incredible this man is. Portnoy
>ain't
>shit and Peart ain't all that great compared to this guy (and
>believe
>me, I know how much that is saying."
I don't know if I can call TB the greatest drummer on the planet, but I
definitely agree that he is a monster. I've been into TB since his
instructional vids "Melodic Drumming and the Ostinato pts 1, 2, &3."
Check them out. He explains his whole approach to the drums and goes
into some pretty deep concepts.
Jason
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:11:10 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Hammerfall/Death show 12-13, Atlanta
Message-ID: <4.1.19981120110733.0092e4a0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Recently I discovered that the Hammerfall/Death tour currently destroying
cities around the U.S. is in fact going to come to Atlanta (wonder of
wonders). I'm planning on going and wondered if anybody wants to arrange a
Ytse-gathering before or aftershow.
The show is 8 PM at the Masquerade, on December 13th. Tix are $10.50.
Email me if you're interested. Currently I have possible interest from
'jamanoids Matt Smith and his friend Harmon.
ta,
Phil
==================================================
Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:22:11 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bozzio the God is more like it.
Message-ID: <000c01be14a2$0ace43e0$0201010a@chuck>
maX begged a xylophone from Chachi before contorting himself into a balloon
animal:
>seems you may have your order reversed. I KNOW that Mike Portnoy can
>blow chunks on Neil Peart, and you imply Peart is better than Portnoy...
>so I don't believe a word you say about Bozzio :-)
Dude. Do NOT underestimate the powers of the Bozz side. The only guy I
think who can rip harder than Bozz is Tre Cool. er... well. Tre's just
cool. well... Where was I? I haven't been blessed to be bombarded by
Bozz's bombastic beats enough (Holy alliteration, Batman!) to claim him as
being my favorite drummer, but damn, I'll tell ya, he's in line to be.
BTW, maX... If you can do anything to adjust the line wrap in you messages
and get rid of all of the extra spaces in your posts, please do. It makes
it a litlle hard to read them. :) Maybe get a REAL email client, instead
of that yucky browser mail. heheh.
Also, someone posted a URL for a company that sold hard to find CD's by
killer musicians and such. I remember seeing it had two or three of Bozz's
CD's. I'm most interested in picking up Drawing the Circle, so if you could
repost this I'll send you a bucket of snot or something. :) Thanks!
--KorgX3 is the King of English Grammar.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:42:57 -0600
From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Had to get an ICP reference in there...
Message-ID: <3655F071.98DE949B@bah.com>
> "Anorexics with implants do not a real woman make." -Willy Shakespeare?
> I need a women with some meat on her bones. I don't want to be
> worried about impaling my nether regions on a protruding rib during
> foreplay. Give me Kate Winslet, not Moss.
God bless you, man. I want me a woman with some MEAT on them thar bones! I don't
want me some sissy prissy bitch... I want me A COLD DEAD STANK BITCH!!!
The wicked clowns will never die....
Looooeeeeeee
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:50:36 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: TB's Drum Kit
Message-ID: <4.19981120.11.50.36.721797@kennametal.ibmmail.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 11-20-98 11:12
Jammers,
Those interested in seeing some pictures of Terry Bozzio's massive
drum kit can find them at Drum Workshop's website under the photos section.
Follow the link below.
http://www.dwdrums.com/photos/index.htm
See-ya,
Shawn
---- 11-20-98 11:12 ---- Sent to ------------------------------------
-> IBMMAIL.I1739025 Advantis IBM Mail Exchange
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:07:23 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Ray Alder smoking
Message-ID: <e8034e43.3655a1cb@aol.com>
someone wrote about ray alder:
>Yeah, but Ray doesn't smoke. :) (well, not really, but with all the time
>FW's spent in smoke-filled clubs over the years, you'd think it'd be pretty
>much the same thing).
Bullshit. Ray Alder smokes like a proverbial chimney. Having seen Fates three
or four times live, I can attest to the fact that he was smoking during vocal
breaks all the time.
NP: Angra - Fireworks
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:04:08 -0500
From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Had to get an ICP reference in there...
Message-ID: <001601be14a7$cbb540e0$3baa889e@cout.ml.org>
>want me some sissy prissy bitch... I want me A COLD DEAD STANK BITCH!!!
>
>The wicked clowns will never die....
>
>Looooeeeeeee
Wow, another ytsejammer who also likes ICP... You GO BOY!!!
--- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <-- My page! --- "Brothers and sisters: The time has come for the Necromaster. The unleashing of the fourth Joker's Card. The arrival of: The Great Milenko." -- Alice Cooper speaking the intro to ICP's album "The Great Milenko" ---------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:21:09 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Best drummer\SG\RE:James Labrie is the MAN!!!!! Message-ID: <199811201721.SAA10100@online.no>
Dan Russell Wrote: >>Start clip<< I am so fucking sick of hearing you people on here saying that James Labrie Sucks!!! If you hate him so much go fuck yourselves and get lost cause the "REAL FANS" don't wanna hear it!! OH YEAH!!!!! >>End clip<<
Thanx. Some people don't get it before you speak their own language. (too bad!) I can't (read: won't), so I'm glad(?) you gave it to them so didn't have to!
Shadow Gallery is not to bad, is it? I'm listening to "Mystery"....
Oh yea, one more thing.... Mike Portnoy IS the best drummer around! Anything else? Don't think so...
Jonas Opsal (Xident) C ya! Now Playing: Chroma Key - Dead Air For Radios ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "me and jonas lost at sea" -Chroma Key (Kevin Moore)
"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life" -Jesus Christ (John 8.12)
MY DT page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:48:46 -0800 From: Nick Guadagnoli <progrockboy@linkline.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: CMC International Message-ID: <36544BEE.D2B96711@linkline.com>
>SNIP< >old albums, but Sony? Wonder if they're doing something to bring back glam, >even if for only a few months. Maybe Lita Ford won't die before the >resurgence of metal, after all! ;) > >Okay, discuss.. > >-Maddy
Um... CMC got Yngwie Malmsteen, Yes, and Lynyrd Skynyrd as well. umm... Rhode Island is neither a road, nor an island. Discuss.
--Nick, the ProgRockBoy, LiquidT on IRC
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:20:10 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Great Drummers! Message-ID: <31781e01.3655c0ea@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/20/98 3:20:49 AM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> I have two first names and two last names for you. > > Terry Bozzio. > Vinnie Colaiuta. > > Bozzio's playing is just monstrous and humongous, while Colaiuta is > "secretly cruel". Can't think of anybody who can top them.
Someone finally mentioned one my favorite drummers! VINNIE COLAIUTA! This guy blew my mind the first time I watched Sting's "Ten Summoners Tales" video! Solo Sting just wouldn't have any musical depth without Vinnie. The guy is a master of off time rythems and complex jazz stuff. If anyone here hasn't seen the "Ten Summoners Tales" video, go out and buy it RIGHT NOW! Besides Vinnie and Sting, the rest of his group (Dominic Miller on geetar, and David Sancious on keys) are also top notch musicians. Does anyone know who else Vinnie has played with? I would love to hear how he handles heavier stuff...
Josh S.
NP: Sting - Seven Days (Ten Summoners Tales)
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:53:52 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: buying used cd's Message-ID: <3655C8D0.8F985432@bigfoot.com>
There was some discussion a while back, about how it's wrong to buy used cd's because the store profits twice but the band only profits once, at the first sale.
I don't understand. At the time of the first return, does the band have to return their royalty? Usually, when you return a product, the store can send it back to the manufacturer so that they can get reimbursed in turn. Is the case in the recording industry? If so, does the band get to keep their share anyway? Or must they return their royalties for that returned product?
If they *don't* have to return those royaltees, then wouldn't the band be profiting twice from the same disc?
If the argument is that used cd buyers should try to buy new, to help the band out, I don't think that's fair. Do you not buy stuff on sale? Do you not try for a lower price on your new car, even thought the difference will come right out of the dealer's margin? The customer has to look out for No.1, especially if the customer plans to buy more stuff in the future.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:34:45 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Drummers Message-ID: <002601be14c1$0b193e80$42836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
"O" wrote:
<<<....Phil Collins (Why did he quit? Why did Peter Gabriel give him the opportunity of singing? Damn, he could have become really awesome...)....>>>>
He never quit!!! Didn't you hear about his big band thing? It's awesome! He recently did a European tour with his own big band in which he played drums... It ruled.....
D.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:23:32 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: fats drummers (I guess you mean fast...) Message-ID: <002401be14c1$082f16e0$42836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Vladimir Dourado wrote:
<<<To me, the drums aren't to be played fast...but MUSICALLY played...>>>
You hit the bulls-eye there dude... :o)
D.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:12:44 -0500 From: illusion@ibbs.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Best Drummers Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.18.11.20.15.12.44.2781591004.1411024@bbs.ibbs.com>
Am I the only one who thinks Jizmak Da Gusha is a great drummer? Ya know...the guy from GWAR:)
Also, Portnoy's "overplaying" makes him good:)
Who are the best guitarists?
Satriani, PEtrucci.... Message sent via Illusions BBS.
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