YTSEJAM Digest 4443
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Best Guitarists
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4442
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
3) Neil Peart's T4E Kit
by AnalogGal@aol.com
4) Re: Drummers
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
5) catgut
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
6) Marillion Albums
by IceQD@aol.com
7) best (uh, I mean FAVORITE) drummers
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
8) NDTC
by Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
9) Re: Best Drummers
by Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4440 and the crap contained therein
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
11) Vinnie and such
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
12) Re: Ray Alder smoking
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar.
by "Eren Gumrukcuoglu" <paprezzi@mailandnews.com>
14) Re: St. Louis Portnoy Clinic
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
15) keyboards
by "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com>
16) JP's 'trick'
by "J.T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Bozzio the God is more like it.
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:43:03 -0700
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Guitarists
Message-ID: <872566C2.0071E890.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
I still haven't heard anyone mention Eric Johnson....
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:51:14 EST
From: Stixntrixx@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4442
Message-ID: <9d38d40a.3655d642@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-11-20 15:19:47 EST, you write:
<< old albums, but Sony? Wonder if they're doing something to bring back glam,
>even if for only a few months. Maybe Lita Ford won't die before the
>resurgence of metal, after all! ;)
>
>Okay, discuss..
>
Okay. They're trying their best to do it. The problem with CMC used to be that
you could never find their albums in stores (meaning their distribution
sucked). However, since the CMC-BMG merger, a lot of the CMC albums are easier
to find in stores than they were before. I see two main problems with CMC's
ability to "bring back" glam. First, they have no push at radio. Air time is
hard enough to come by for major label artists playing the flavor-of- the-
month music , let alone indie bands playing a style of music that the "cool"
people want to forget even happened. And with CMC having significantly less
money to through at program directors than even the lowest rung on the major
label ladder, that prospect doesn't seem to be changing. The second problem
with CMC is their completely illogical practice of not signing any new
(meaning unestablished) bands. They sign bands like Warrant, Slaughter,
Motorhead, etc, all of which have a proven track record. If glam or any
offshoot thereof is going to make a "comeback," it is going to be on the
shoulders of a new crop of bands that don't have the "80s" stigma attached to
their names. This is what happened in the 80s, when bands like Motley Crue,
Posion, and Bon Jovi burst onto the scene, which at the time was heavily
dominated by new wave bands. Musically they really weren't doing anything that
KISS, Aerosmith, and even Thin Lizzy weren't doing in the 70s. They just put
their own little spin on the formula and the industy ate it up. That's what is
going to have to happen if hard rock is going to make a comeback.
Now, for something completely different.....
I don't understand. At the time of the first return, does the band have
to return their royalty? Usually, when you return a product, the store
can send it back to the manufacturer so that they can get reimbursed in
turn. Is the case in the recording industry? If so, does the band get to
keep their share anyway? Or must they return their royalties for that
returned product?
In a way. This is called "reserves." Basically, based on your record contract,
a certain percentage of your royalties (usually in the 30% range) is set aside
so the record company can cover their asses if the stores return their product
(the stores will usually get a full refund, but not always). You don't
actually receieve this money at first (if at all), so you don't really have to
give your royalty back for each returned item. After a period of time, your
reserves are "liquidated" and the money left over after returns is yours to
keep no matter how you finish in the game :)
If they *don't* have to return those royaltees, then wouldn't the band
be profiting twice from the same disc?
See above.
If the argument is that used cd buyers should try to buy new, to help
the band out, I don't think that's fair. Do you not buy stuff on sale?
Do you not try for a lower price on your new car, even thought the
difference will come right out of the dealer's margin? The customer has
to look out for No.1, especially if the customer plans to buy more stuff
in the future.
The reason you should buy new (or at least the reason I buy new) is not to
help the artist out financially, but so that the purchase is registered with
Soundscan, so that the album will chart at a higher position. It's all about
perception in this business and if an album is perceieved to be a rising star
(bullet), then the odds that people will back it are that much greater
because, regardless of whether or not they actually like it, people
instinctively want to get behind a winning team (fair-weather fans, if you
will). This helps the band in the long run more than the dollar and some
change they will receieve from my purchase. This does not happen when you buy
used CDs for obvious reasons. I personally love to buy used CDs. I would never
have discovered how truly great the band Journey is, had it not been for used
CDs. And sure enough, when they released "Trial By Fire" and the "Greatest
Hits- Live" albums, I bought them new the first day they came out. Plus, these
used CD stores often have albums that are no longer availbe in retail stores,
so they can be a real gold mine. Just don't shop at them exclusively.
Richie
>>
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:53:11 EST
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Neil Peart's T4E Kit
Message-ID: <5fc03704.3655d6b7@aol.com>
<< If I recall from the one Test for Echo show I saw and the tape I've
seen, Neil had two kits. One in the front and one in the back. One had
two bass drums and the other had one. When Neil needed one, he just had
to have his kit rotate 180 degrees.
Isaac>>
Actually, Neil has had that set-up since the Grace Under Pressure tour. He
started using the two kits to accommodate the stuff they were writing at the
time.
Christina
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:06:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Dennis Leeflang <dl@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Drummers
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981120160446.24411A-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> <<<....Phil Collins (Why did he quit? Why did Peter Gabriel give him the
> opportunity of singing? Damn, he could have become really
> awesome...)....>>>>
That would be incorrect.
For the *real* answer as to why Peter quit and how Phil got the
job, there happens to be a nice little FAQ (which, oddly enough, I run)
that has the answer: http://www.erotomania.org/genesis/faq.htm
> He never quit!!! Didn't you hear about his big band thing? It's awesome! He
> recently did a European tour with his own big band in which he played
> drums... It ruled.....
Phil recently found his arms. They were tied to a Roland 808, and
had shown little wear, considering the last time he used them was in 1981.
:)
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erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:13:01 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: catgut
Message-ID: <19981120211302.823.qmail@hotmail.com>
Brian D. Hayden repeatedly drowns the ytsejam with cat blood and
gopher guts:
> Liv Tyler's screwing her DAD?!?! I never heard about this! Am I
justway
> 'Disconnected'? That IS pretty nasty. Get your point there.>
> This will make me sound sick too, but hopefully you will understand me
> the right way. I can't really blame her dad though ;-)> Still.
Ugh...>
> Or is this just some tabloid crap you read somewhere and are
justtrying
> to spread around? 'Cuz I NEVER heard of that!
>>>Bwahaha. It's a joke, dude. Steven Tyler is a perv and Liv strips
forhis
videos.<<<
Oh, OK... really? That's still pretty nasty... Never seen her strip...
And you know what? I was thinking about the cover image of Stealing
Beauty. You mean you can honestly tell me you wouldn't like to take that
chick any day of the week?
>>>Okay, I was going to write some clever response to this, but I was
laughing too
fucking hard for a while. And then I realized that, um, Liv Tyler is
about the
dumbest possible thing to flame about and I don't need Skadz to kick my
ass.
Say it with me, maXipad...J O K E.<<<
Yeah, you're right. It was confusing when you said that and I didn't
even say A Flock Of Seagulls and Oingo Boingo rule, and Slayer and
Sepultura suck...
> You can go get fucked by Liv Tyler's dad! ... and I take it it's OK
> for YOU to talk shit but nobody else?! Eat me.
>>>You want me to get fucked by him AND eat you. That's pretty damn
kinky...I'll
only do it if I get a wraparound out of the deal.<<<
Aw, man! YOU'RE sick too! :) ... you probably own all of Mr. Tyler's
videos as well...
Hehe.
Dream Theater rules.
-maX
NP: KMFDM - Angst
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene
Mansun - Attack Of The Grey Lantern
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:13:58 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Marillion Albums
Message-ID: <7ba60c1b.3655db96@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/20/98 8:24:55PM, you write:
>
>> And what Marillion albums does Fish handle the vocals for?
>
>Ummm... gotta check this one... I'm sure of Fugazi and Misplaced
>Childhood though. Anyone else?
>
>Cheers
>
>Zaphod
Albums with Fish on vocals:
Script for a Jester's Tear
Fugazi
Misplaced Childhood (remastered 1998, reissue)
Clutching at Straws
Albums with Steve Hogarth on vocals:
Seasons End
Holidays in Eden
Brave (remastered 1998, reissue)
Afraid of Sunlight
This Strange Engine
Radiation (1998, new one)
Ice Queen
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:23:30 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: best (uh, I mean FAVORITE) drummers
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498090CF@messaging>
Well, here's my list:
Mike Portnoy
Danny Carey
Carter Beauford
Billy Cobham
Neil Peart
Terry Bozzio
Nick D'Virgilio
Mark Zonder
Rod Morgenstein
Deen Castronovo
and Jeff Campitelli (OK, maybe not HIM....) :)
David Dixon
david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:49:57 -0600
From: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NDTC
Message-ID: <3655D5D2.42668BB0@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
>Also, someone posted a URL for a company that sold hard to find
>CD's by
>killer musicians and such. I remember seeing it had two or three
>of Bozz's
>CD's. I'm most interested in picking up Drawing the Circle, so if
>you could
>repost this I'll send you a bucket of snot or something. :)
>Thanks!
>--KorgX3 is the King of English Grammar.
www.audiophileimports.com
>Does anyone know who else
>Vinnie has
>played with? I would love to hear how he handles heavier stuff...
>Josh S.
Vinnie played with Frank Zappa for a while.
Jason
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:46:36 -0500
From: Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Drummers
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981120164636.006a14f0@magma.ca>
I'll finally throw my two cents in on this one. Portnoy is definitely on
my list, but so is Igor Cavalera from Sepultura. He's probably my
favourite. He's got some really amazing work on "Roots" and "Chaos A.D."
The beat on "Ratamahatta" is phenomenal.
"[History is] a pack of tricks we play on the dead." --- Voltaire
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:40:03 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4440 and the crap contained therein
Message-ID: <3655E1B2.CE6A0330@ucla.edu>
I think I was a lot more pleased when you were all talking about metal bands that Id never heard of. being the newbie to DT and prog. I dont wanna hear about this and that
celebrity fucking who and so's dad, or this bitch munching that bitch's bearded clam!!!!! Thats why I go to college and live in a co-ed dorm! To hear all that crap from a bunch of
sexually deprived 18 year olds! Just remember that there are some females on this list too, so dont turn it into the "Lets all tell each other our ultimate lesbo fantasy". Ive said
my piece.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:52 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Vinnie and such
Message-ID: <199811202213.OAA23007@knight.axnet.net>
To the guy who wanted to hear more Vinnie Colaiuta, get
Shut Up n Play Yer Guitar by Zappa. This is all instrumental
and way "out there" sort of fusiony music. The first song
is written as 5/4 5/4 5/8 with the drums ignoring the bar
lines altogether. After this song, the music gets complicated.
For something more palatable, you may want to try Joe's
Garage. The songs are groovier, and the drumming is
brilliant. Vinnie rules.
I can't believe all of you guys posting about drummers have
failed to mention one DENNIS CHAMBERS. Hello? Remember him?
This guy makes Portnoy (and everyone else, with the possible
exception of Bozzio) look like big useless fucks (hi Mike!).
My old drum teacher had a video of his (anyone know what it's called?)
and I saw him do a clinic once. Fear him. If John McLaughlin
comes to your town, go to the show as Dennis is playing with
him.
Keep it greasy so it'll go down easy
-rahul ananda
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:50:40 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Ray Alder smoking
Message-ID: <199811202250.OAA10271@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., MusicSnob@aol.com thus begged:
>
>someone wrote about ray alder:
>>Yeah, but Ray doesn't smoke. :) (well, not really, but with all the time
>>FW's spent in smoke-filled clubs over the years, you'd think it'd be pretty
>>much the same thing).
>
>Bullshit. Ray Alder smokes like a proverbial chimney. Having seen Fates three
>or four times live, I can attest to the fact that he was smoking during vocal
>breaks all the time.
>
Truth is, Ray USED TO smoke like an ocean liner on bad diesel... but after
the APSOG tour, he has cut down a lot... when I was hangin with the Fates guys
at King's X, I didn't see him smoke once...
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:16:52 -0500 From: "Eren Gumrukcuoglu" <paprezzi@mailandnews.com> To: <illusion@ibbs.com>, <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar. Message-ID: <01be14db$db994180$35add4ab@default>
-----Original Message----- ]From: illusion@ibbs.com <illusion@ibbs.com> To: paprezzi@mailandnews.com <paprezzi@mailandnews.com> Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 10:17 PM Subject: Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar.
>PA>Hey........! >PA>hell noooo!!!! >PA>whats wrong with you people????? >PA>I am reading all these different weird ideas about JPs 7-string guitars > >PA>Lemme say this: >PA>now he has his own custom 7-string Ibanez guitars which ALSO have the same >PA>Picasso Pattern on them just like the black and white 7-string JPM but this >PA>it is white and black :) ....and body is of course an RG ( like f the
>If he doesn't use a RG now...he did. >Message sent via Illusions BBS.
No, he never did use 7-string RGs. Back then, he had 3 Universes two of them was Steve Vai patterned and one of them was a standard black Universe ......that black one was the one he used in Awake and ACOS. But as I said he now has is own JPM style 7-string....
Laters,
a regular reader for years, a lazy writer for ages........ Eren " the guitarist " GUMRUKCUOGLU (from Turkey) e-mail: paprezzi@mailandnews.com ( The way your heart beats makes all the difference in learning to live ) DT, SyVy, Greg, Boru, * rulez.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 05:37:18 -0600 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: St. Louis Portnoy Clinic Message-ID: <3656A5EE.4E6B@rollanet.org>
> > Jeff Perrot > > P.S. I met a few people there, but no one from the list. I was the > short guy wearing the Awake T-shirt and sitting in the 2nd row. Let me > know if you saw me....
hey there, I was the tall guy with the awake t-shirt, and long black hair, 2nd row, but on the right side...
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:41:26 -0600 From: "James C. Shields" <jimshields@bigplanet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: keyboards Message-ID: <3655FE25.4942288D@bigplanet.com>
The Korg X3 is a really good one for the money, I bet a used one would be real cheap. The New version is the N364, but I think this is over a thousand dollars new, and I don't know what you mean by cheap. Workstations generally aren't cheap. the X3 was something like 1200 new a few years ago. if you're going for under 1000 dollars, I think the only choice is a used model. If you get into stuff like an on-board hard disk, you're getting into expensive Trinity and Kurzweil K2000 area, which are most definitly not cheap (but so damn cool!)
just my $0.02
Jim Shields Aureus Records and Promotion
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: "J.T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: JP's 'trick' Message-ID: <19981120235119.28022.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
>as oppossed to what Puppies on acid sounded like with a 6 >string, [withthe >little trick(technique?) that Jp used back then]. ...
Maybe I'm unaware of his 'trick'. Please fill me in. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:06:36 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Bozzio the God is more like it. Message-ID: <v01540b00b27bb43d9684@[205.134.227.41]>
"Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> wrote:
>Also, someone posted a URL for a company that sold hard to find CD's by >killer musicians and such. I remember seeing it had two or three of Bozz's >CD's. I'm most interested in picking up Drawing the Circle, so if you could >repost this I'll send you a bucket of snot or something. :) Thanks!
Here is what I found from the Artist-Shop catalog page:
http://www.artist-shop.com/catalog/index.htm
Terry Bozzio/Chamber Works ....CD $19.99 Terry Bozzio/Drawing the Circle ....CD $19.99 Terry Bozzio/Solo Drum Music I ....CD $19.99 Terry Bozzio/Solo Drum Music II ....CD $19.99 Bozzio, Levin, Stevens/Black Light Syndrome ....CD $13.99
Cheaper than Magna Carta. I will get myself a copy of Drawing the Circle soon.
Regards, AE
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