YTSEJAM Digest 4445
Today's Topics:
1) Italian Prog
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
2) HEY!!! IT'S JAM # FRIGGING 4444! KICK ASS!!!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
3) Looking for a friend
by MinaVahuta@aol.com
4) Re: Italianprog
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
5) Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands (was Re: Italian Prog)
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
6) Rush and Met reviews
by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
7) MP killing YtseJammer\DT in Norway
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
8) Petrucci's gits
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
9) Progressive Rock
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
10) 5 years tracklist?
by "John R. Kotzian" <elsinore@mediaone.net>
11) Portnoy
by "Steve Ferris" <stevo_14@hotmail.com>
12) Journey
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
13) general stuff i guess.....
by ETebo323@aol.com
14) Re: Opinions
by Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca>
15) New Metal Blade Releases...
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:51:52 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Italian Prog
Message-ID: <199811210913.UAA12702@armstrong.apic.net>
Lets see, there are quite a few Italian prog bands, mostly good, some bad:
Time Machine: These guys were my fave Italian rockers until I heard the
mighty Rhapsody
worth checking out is 'Act II Galaleo', classic prog. They have a new album
out later this month
called 'Eternity Ends', which should be interesting.
Epica: the closest thing to DT soundwise, though they sing in Italian, the
'Confini' cd is well worth
a listen, good production and musicianship.
Eldritch: A more popular band, there first 2 albums are quite good, if not
a bit patchy.
Labyrinth: There first album featured now Rhapsody/Athena vocalist Fabio
Lione, it was quite good, but
there new album 'Return To Heaven Denied' is killer power/prog metal, one
of the years best.
Athena: Featuring the above mentioned Fabio Lione, there second album 'A
New Religion ?' has some great
moments but is let down with a couple of below average songs.
Rhapsody: These guys are unbeleivable, there debut album 'Legendary Tales'
is a classic, featuring epic songs,
sweeping lanscapes of sounds, choirs, orchestra's and the extraordinary
talents of vocalist Fabio Lione (hi Neil)
There second album 'Symphony Of Enchanted Lands' I don't have yet, but I am
told is even better than the first.
Drakkar: These guys are definately the worst Italian band I have ever
wasted $35 for a CD on. Don't let the cool looking cover
fool you, they are desperate Angra wannabee's, poor production, terrible
arrangements and even worse vocals.
GaZ
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:25:38 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: HEY!!! IT'S JAM # FRIGGING 4444! KICK ASS!!!
Message-ID: <19981121092540.24497.qmail@hotmail.com>
KorkX3 burbles his last burbles as he bleeds all over Mike Portnoy's
sacred drumstick, the JERK! That's Mike's stick you just died on!:
>>>Korg: "If there are any jammers in the audience, please converge
around me
when the clinic is over. Thanks. go ahead Mike."
Mike Portnoy throws a drumstick at Korg, lobotomizing him.
Next jam, random subscriber: "Yah, Mike killed some asshole last
nightwith
a drumstick and I still didn't meet any jammers..."<<<
Hehe, you rock.
>>>Off to buy a G-string (for my guitar, pervs!)<<<
Sex up that big manly guitar, baby! Oh, YEAH! :)
Bafu Vai brayed like a purple monkey eating a handful of caramel
crickets while glorified rats disguise themselves in butter:
>hahahah this is too much, this is contending with "Fucking
bananaheads!!" for
>Most Hilarious Ytsejam Expletive Of 1998. Consider yourself in the hall
of
>fame, maX. :)
Thanx, but I still think "Fucking bananaheads" gets the prize. I'm not
worthy... That one had me going.
>>>A Jedi Concorde jet
with propellers made of spinning light-sabers would get Jedis from
oneend of
the galaxy to the other faster than the Millenium Falcon. I bet in the
Jedi
Nightclub the ceiling fans are rotating light-sabers. I bet thebartender
keeps a light-saber behind the bar for when trouble starts up. If
HagarThe
Horrible were a Jedi, would his light-saber have little notches
andscratches
in it from fighting vikings like it does in the cartoon? If Inigo
Montoya were
a Jedi, would he have the guts to pull that "I am not left handed" line
with
Darth Vader? Did the Jedi Knights ever have a renegade bunch of Jedi
Musketeers who broke away from the royal order and merrily disrupted the
galaxy? And did they actually use muskets or were they
Lightsabereers?<<<
maX inhales one final breath of helium saturated air as he is
suffocated by Bafu Vai and repeatedly impaled by KorgX3:
Yes, but imagine the Millennium Falcon with light sabers?
I AM the bartender, and if anyone starts any $#!+, I use my light saber
to throw the jackasses into the ceiling fan, so we all get blood
splattered. Fun, huh?
I think Helga would ram Hagar's light saber up his @$$ whenever he's out
too late...
Hmmm... I suppose Inigo would be too busy laughing at Vader and calling
him "Lord Helmet"
..And HAHA! You're trying to get the Hall Of Fame Expletive 1998 award,
aren't you, you big brute, you! ;-)
HAHAHA
Anyway. maX shuts up for the night... well, morning really...
-maX (duh, ya think?)
NP: same as last time this moron posted...
<Who? What moron?>
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 04:32:07 EST
From: MinaVahuta@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Looking for a friend
Message-ID: <900cb70c.36568897@aol.com>
Look I know I am not suppose to do this but I am desperte as of now. A
while back, months ago, I met some one through this mailing list who has come
to mean a great deal to me.
We began talking more and more as time went by, and he helped me through
some difficult times. Unfortunately I lost him, his address was on my other
Sn Angellaa and Vanessajmz. These two Sn's were unfortunately deleted before
I had a chance to write down his mailing address.
I am asking anyone who knows a Kevin Kreps to let him know my new Sn or to
let me know his mailing address. Thanks a bunch everyone, and I am sorry to
post something of no relavance but this is my only hope.
Heather
Sn MinaVahuta
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:44:57 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Italianprog
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811211143180.13717-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Peter Geerts wrote:
>
> > Italian Prog? Two names come to mind: Rhapsody and Time Machine
>
> Prog != Power Metal.
>
> Italian Prog, for instance: Premiata Forneria Marconi.
Hmm.. okay, Rhapsody and Time Machine are maybe not prog, but they're
definitaly progmetal, and not powermetal IMO...
Never heard of this Premiata thing... you have some more info?
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:08:50 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands (was Re: Italian Prog)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811211149050.13717-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Graham Boyle wrote:
> Rhapsody: These guys are unbeleivable, there debut album 'Legendary Tales'
> is a classic, featuring epic songs,
> sweeping lanscapes of sounds, choirs, orchestra's and the extraordinary
> talents of vocalist Fabio Lione (hi Neil)
> There second album 'Symphony Of Enchanted Lands' I don't have yet, but I am
> told is even better than the first.
Okay, now you got me started. SOEL is TREMENDOUS!!
Instruments used:
Drums
Guitars
Bass
Vocals
Keyboards
1 Male Russian Kosak Choir
1 German Church Choir
Female Baroque Singer
Marching Drums
Oboe
Lute
Harpsichord
Violin
Viola Da Gamba
1 String Ensemble (11 musicians!)
Acoustic Guitars
Mandolin
Balalaika
The story told on this disk is sorta like a sequel of Legendary Tales, but
i'm not gonna tell you guys much of this....
The music is excellent... Very bombastis, very heavy, lots of
classical/baroque interludes and arrangements, sorta like a more extreme
Angra-sound, i.e. heavier and more classical instruments.
The baroque arrangements sound very natural, they don't sound very
sought-for at all, it just fits in nicely... Also, it's clear that there
is a great deal of fantastic musicianship involved, because the music is
very complex yet greatly balanced....
My favourite tracks: The Dark Tower Of Abyss: this one has a great
Vivaldi-like intro (that's what Rhapsody say themselves anyway, but
they're right, I gotta admit), a really complex song structure and some
very moody Choirs.
Beyond The Gates Of Infinity: Great classical interludes and
accompaniment here...
Symphony Of Enchanted Lands: 13-min 'little' magnum opus of the album...
It consists of four parts, has a really beautiful part with female
vocals, strings and piano in it, and much, much more to discover...
This is sympho-metal at its best...
Rhapsody - Symphony Of Enchanted Lands, released at Limb Music Products,
cat. no.: LMP 9810-007 CD
See www.world-online.de/limb-music for more
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:18:42 +0100
From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Rush and Met reviews
Message-ID: <3656CBC2.47CE@wxs.nl>
Reviews of the new Rush triple live album and the new "Garage Inc." CD
by Metallica have been put up on http://www.scriba.org/w3m3 (in the
music section).
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:14:37 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MP killing YtseJammer\DT in Norway Message-ID: <199811211614.RAA19556@online.no>
>>> Korg: "If there are any jammers in the audience, please converge around me when the clinic is over. Thanks. go ahead Mike."
Mike Portnoy throws a drumstick at Korg, lobotomizing him.
Next jam, random subscriber: "Yah, Mike killed some asshole last night with a drumstick and I still didn't meet any jammers..." <<<
That is the most funny thing I have ever read oin this list. I've "only" read 105 Jams though...
Good to see that someone has a good sence of humour and can do something else than "talk" about Liv Tyler screwing her DAD, and those stupid 12th notes (or whatever that was).
Does anyone know if DT will play in NORWAY sometime soon (three years from now)??? I'd love to go see them, but going to the states is kind of a long trip. Even for seeing DT!!!
Are those Christmas CD's worth getting??? I know I'm a bit late...
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:40:46 +0100 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Petrucci's gits Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981121164046.006efa48@unet.univie.ac.at>
hey there! for all the questionning about ibanez' official JPM signature model series: why not check out http://www.ibanez.com btw, yes there are (up to now) 5 models available: the limited jpm100b (the one with the blue, green, red, yellow painting) (i wonder if its really limited... still my favourite axe... but its at service right now, ill get it back on monday, hell for me, two days!!!! :() than the 'gold' jpm100p2 (the one he uses in the another day vid) the black and white (jpm100p3) the 'military' (jpm100p4) and the jpm90HAM (hoshino anniversary model, ibanez is a company of hoshino) - a wonderful guitar (if only i could..) in a fantastic blue translucent finish. so there are no 7strings available in the custom graphic design (yet). john uses guitars the ibanez custom shop usa builds for him, not the ones we can buy in the shop, but they are very close to the originals i guess. but ibanez now offers a rather affordable 7string RG 7620 (blue and black too soon), which makes perfect match if you have a jpm already (hehe) and doesnt cost as much. ytsegreetings
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:40:36 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Progressive Rock Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811211613450.27678-100000@rebutosa>
On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Peter Geerts wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote: > > > Prog != Power Metal. > > Italian Prog, for instance: Premiata Forneria Marconi. > > Hmm.. okay, Rhapsody and Time Machine are maybe not prog, but they're > definitaly progmetal, and not powermetal IMO...
Both Rhapsody and Time Machine are bands from the 2nd Generation of Power Metal (together with Blind Guardian and Angra, for instance), which added a bit of complexity to the usual Power Metal sound, with orchestration (in the case of Rhapsody, for example).
> Never heard of this Premiata thing... you have some more info?
Premiata Forneria Marconi is the most important Progressive band from Italy. They have a very distinct sound which sometimes reminds me of Yes mixed with Camel (the flute parts definitely remind me of Camel).
Their first albums were written with lyrics in Italian, but later the lyric writer for King Crimson, Peter Sinfeld, translated them to English in order to make the albums appealing to a larger audience. Some people say that this ruined the albums and that the translated versions don't even touch the level of the originals.
If you want to have a taste of what they sound like, please do yourself a favour and get their "Live in the USA", a.k.a. "Cook", which is very good, IMO. It has some funny improvisations (including bits of "The World Became the World" and of "Willian Tell Overture"). Recommended.
Hope this helps, Roger...
P.S.: Could anyone please help me getting an MP3 or two by Magma? After reading some reviews of their albums, I must say that I'm highly interested in their stuff, since it's "weird" (sic). :-) Thank you very much for any help. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:47:10 -0500 From: "John R. Kotzian" <elsinore@mediaone.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 5 years tracklist? Message-ID: <365718BE.23C990B3@mediaone.net>
Sorry to bother, but if someone would be kind enough to send me a listing of all the song titles on the 5 years video, I would be very grateful. Thanx in advance.
-- You have just had words with John R. Kotzian.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:08:53 PST From: "Steve Ferris" <stevo_14@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Portnoy Message-ID: <199811212008.MAA18104@f326.hotmail.com>
I just portnoy Wednesday night at a clinic in St Louis and I just want to make sure everyone realizes he is a god on drums. He also mentioned that Metropolis 2 is already 25 minutes long and that dt has only played it once at a rehearsel.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:25:40 +0000 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Journey Message-ID: <3656DB73.7C9F49EC@mindspring.com>
Hate to inject my opinion, well actually I love to inject my opinion so here goes:
Journey was great throughout their career. Their so called 'wimpy' stuff was some of the best hard rock and pop music of the 80's/90's. And TRIAL BY FIRE is definately one of their best CD's. Very under-rated. Additionally, they knew how to write a catchy song just oozing with, yeah melody and emotion. Now, to me, if you took Journey and added three parts Rush, one part Maiden, a dab of Priest, and other odds and ends, there you have FATES WARNING. VOILA. It's magic.
Scott M
I have heard that this tour really goes back to the olden (meaning good) days of Journey....not all the sappy crap, but lots of rockin'!! I'll be seeing them in L.A. on Dec 12, so I'll be posting my review! :-)
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:23:58 EST From: ETebo323@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: general stuff i guess..... Message-ID: <2c65fbe8.3657215e@aol.com>
Well this exciting for me: My first post!!!!
Anyways, I have noticed a lot of talk about James LaBrie. I think he's a great singer, but it's his stage show that makes me laugh. Like on LiT, during Too Live Forever, when he yells "ALright John!!" he does that running thing, and then he does that McHammer looking dance right behind John P. I loose it everytime. But other than that. I still remember the show at St. Andrews a year ago and he had a sore throat or something and he toned everything down and same everything lower and it was great to hear how he could change all the melody lines and still sound awesome!!
Plus, does anyone know what Amps John P. used for ACOS. Did he just use his road rig? I know he did for the live part, just wondering about the studio track.
also there is a link for John P. at the lexicon site if you guys didn't know: http://www.lexicon.com/artists/john-p.html
Eric Thibaut
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:26:25 -0500 From: Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Opinions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981121162625.006afab0@magma.ca>
Hey Max ...
So, my opinion is crap because I happen to listen to Sepultura? I didn't realize that anyone with diverse musical taste isn't allowed to participate on this list.
>>I'll finally throw my two cents in on this one. Portnoy is definitely on >>my list, but so is Igor Cavalera from Sepultura. He's probably my >>favourite. He's got some really amazing work on "Roots" and "Chaos A.D." >>The beat on "Ratamahatta" is phenomenal.
>EVERYBODY disregard this post... he listens to Sepultura...
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:55:01 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: Metal Blade <metalblade@arastar.com>, Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>, Subject: New Metal Blade Releases... Message-ID: <365736B5.9078FA0B@goodnet.com>
Well, at least I think these are relatively new to Metal Blade Records. Thanks to Tracy for sending me some of these CDs!
The Quiet Room - "Introspect" Very cool album. Sounds like No Exit era Fates Warning, maybe a little heavier and with definate prog-metal leanings. The singer sounds like a cross between Ray Alder and Geoff Tate. You can check them out at: http://www.thequietroom.com
Dream Child - "Reaching The Golden Gates" A power metal album very much in the vein of Angra. I beleive these guys are from France and have a couple of albums out already.
Hades - "$avior $elf" death metal or something, but it is kind of semi-speed/thrash style with a good singer, pretty cool overall.
I wasn't able to locate any info on the last two bands, so if anyone has heard of them please comment...
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