YTSEJAM Digest 4446
Today's Topics:
1) Blind Guardian and DJAM KARET
by "Dick" <dick_rascal@softhome.net>
2) Magma
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
3) Djam Karet
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
4) Re: Italianprog
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
5) just a few comments from Germany
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
6) Re: Italianprog
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
7) GUITAR WORLD
by liquidrich@webtv.net
8) Top Forty Roomates
by "Chris Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
9) Italian prog?
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
10) Re: Top Forty Roomates
by <dthomas@best.com>
11) Spice Girls Mp3 with Paul Gilbert Singing/Shredding
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
12) Question
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
13) Re: New Metal Blade releases
by Darth1@aol.com
14) Re: Question | Opinions
by JamesAhab@aol.com
15) keyboards; REQUEST!!!; basswood guitars
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
16) re: fav guitarists
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
17) To Live Forever MP3 Available
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net>
18) New Metal Blade Release
by icarus@sydney.net
19) Are Empty Tremor Italian Prog ?
by icarus@sydney.net
20) italian prog
by Semprini Moreno <mosempri@box4.tin.it>
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 05:39:02 +0700
From: "Dick" <dick_rascal@softhome.net>
To: "Ytse" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Blind Guardian and DJAM KARET
Message-ID: <001201be159f$f6f53140$02000003@centrin.bdg.centrin.net.id>
Hello there jammers,
Can you BG's fans give me a review about this band. What is their music
like? Helloween, Maiden, Angra, M@#$%^lica, Megadeth or something?
I can find Nightfall here, and some other album (live in Tokyo), so what do
you suggest to get first....
Maybe it is better with private mail......
BTW, is the band DJAM KARET popular there? it's a Indonesian idiom
though....
Thanks so much
Dick
Indonesian Jammer
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:08:14 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Magma
Message-ID: <v01540b01b27cf6337442@[205.134.227.119]>
Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> wrote:
>P.S.: Could anyone please help me getting an MP3 or two by Magma? After
>reading some reviews of their albums, I must say that I'm highly
>interested in their stuff, since it's "weird" (sic). :-) Thank you very
>much for any help.
I think I have some of Magma sound clips on my music page. You can download
them from there. Or if you like to listen some more I can send you the MP3
files.
As for Magma stuff I would recommend:
start with
- Magma live (easiest album to get into for a new listener)
- Attahk (more rock but you will be exhausted to listen to the first song,
I bet.) Attahk is a very good concept album and it has an interesting
cover.
- Mekan=EFk Destruct=EFw Kommand=F6h (more operatic)
- Kohntarkosz (very jazzy with some tribute song to John Coltrane) Very
good concept album.
- 1.001 degree Centigrades (another good one)
- Udu Wudu
- Kobaia (2cds) (first album. Might be weird if you are not familiar with
Kobaian language yet.)
Whatever you do, please do not start with "Merci" album. Most of Magma
albums are short (around 40-45 mins). If you like to hear more try
Christian Vander's solo works and the Offering stuff.
Magma is going to release a new album soon. Might be only for Japanese and
=46rench releases.
Regards,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
ICQ: #13676703
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:36 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Djam Karet
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811212051030.20589-100000@jaca>
On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Dick wrote:
> BTW, is the band DJAM KARET popular there? it's a Indonesian idiom
> though....
I think that it's nice to see these not-so-popular bands mentioned
here in the 'Jam (in fact, I love obscure bands, just for the sake of
discovering different gems that might, otherwise, remain unknown).
Djam Karet is very interesting, IMO. The song "Lights Over
Roswell" (from the album _The Devouring_) is beautiful and has some
interesting guitar work, reminding me of the jazzier moments of Andy
Latimer from Camel. Also the bass is very prominent on the mix and gives
an interesting groove to the songs and much of the jazzy feel comes from
this element.
Recommended instrumental music.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: Some moments of the band are similar to Echosilence's works (BTW,
thank you Raivo for letting us know about Echosilence).
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:14:25 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Italianprog Message-ID: <v01540b00b27cf5904e18@[205.134.227.119]>
Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:
>> Italian Prog, for instance: Premiata Forneria Marconi. > >Hmm.. okay, Rhapsody and Time Machine are maybe not prog, but they're >definitaly progmetal, and not powermetal IMO... > >Never heard of this Premiata thing... you have some more info?
"PFM" is an old Italian band in the same era as "Area", "Le Orme", "Devil Doll", "Divae", etc. They all are traditional progressive rock in the 70's. Old style. Except Devil Doll which is gothic prog with scary vocals by Mister Doctor.
I heard that most of old PFM albums were released in cd format now. I like old stuff under the name Premiata Forneria Marconi than PFM.
There is a very interesting new Italian prog band. It's Deus Ex Machina. They combine prog rock and jazz together. DEM has a killer singer (Alberto Piras).
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ICQ: #13676703
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:13:07 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: just a few comments from Germany Message-ID: <v04020a02b27c64bbfa81@[195.14.235.17]>
Hi there,
just want to get rid of some thoughts.
First of all, what's the problem with those Finnish guys? Don't know if they really kiss, if they are gay or not, I actually couldn't care less, but what's the problem with gay DT fans, anyway? Tss...
Then, AFAIK top ten lists are banned from this list, right?
I talked to Benignus and Ted of Enchant on different occasions during their European tours with Spock's Beard (Gods!) and Marillion (former Gods), and I can tell you that Benignus has *not* left the band (since Wounded anyway). He was aware of those rumors, since he got phone calls from other bands, if he wanted to join them...
Finally, if you aren't a member of one of the official fan clubs, JOIN NOW! We are working hard on the 1998 Xmas-CD, and I'm sure you'll love it!
Later,
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fanclub (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:27:58 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Italianprog Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811212224110.24251-100000@jaca>
On Sat, 21 Nov 1998, Charoenkwan Luesumphan wrote:
> There is a very interesting new Italian prog band. It's Deus Ex Machina. > They combine prog rock and jazz together. DEM has a killer singer (Alberto > Piras).
You know, AE, I always like to read what you write, because you have similar tastes with me... :-)
BTW, I almost mentioned Deus Ex Machina in my previous message, but they are heavier than what I'd call prog rock (what I know, at least)... Anyway, Deus Ex Machina's vocals are indeed very cool. In the same way that power metal singers sing. And one thing that can NOT be forgotten: the guy sings in Latin! :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:05:23 -0500 (EST) From: liquidrich@webtv.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: GUITAR WORLD Message-ID: <9483-36576353-3939@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
There is an article on progressive rock in the JAN 99 issue of Guitar World. There are features on SPOCK"S BEARD and progressive album recomendations/reviews. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:34:27 -0800 From: "Chris Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Top Forty Roomates Message-ID: <199811220126.TAA11122@wichita.fn.net>
Ahhh I just moved in with a good friend of mine, we are both musicians and get along great. Only now one thing has changed in this roomate of mine, he listens to top 40 all the time 24 hours a day, that means I would hear the same song at least 5 times a day. It is driving me totally nuts. He used to listen to rock music yes and especially DT, now he can't stand listening to them anymore. What am I to do I'm trapped in Alanis Morsette land.
The very disgruntled government worker CJBass
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:31:38 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytse jam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Italian prog? Message-ID: <001c01be15ba$746aa8c0$1f710ed1@matiasfr>
Empty tremor is an Italian band? Is a great band! No ones mentioned?
Any one knows if DT lasts concerts opens with "simpsons theme"?
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: <dthomas@best.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Top Forty Roomates Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811211745490.25078-100000@fpage2.ba.best.com>
What to do if you have a top 40 loving roomate? Here are a few suggestions:
Move
Invest in earplugs
Invest in a stereo system powerful enough to crack steel, and leave it turned up all day long, playing a constant selection of Vanden Plas, Symphony X and other choice bands.
Perform a home lobotomy on your roomate. Wait a minute, based up his/her musical tastes, the lobotomy may have already been performed.
Personally, I've found that a strong hand, an unused plot of land and a good shovel are capable of solving almost any problem. But that just might be me.
DT
All of the above is intended as humor, and none of these things should actually be tried as many of them may cause you to end up in prison, auctioned off to the guy with the most cigarettes, or sued by an army of lawyers. Experts are still trying to determine which punishment is worse...
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:45:45 -0800 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <Undisclosed.Recipients@sparc3.castles.com> Subject: Spice Girls Mp3 with Paul Gilbert Singing/Shredding Message-ID: <002301be15c2$79cefe80$83a4d6d0@multimedia>
I just put up another Paul Gilbert Mp3 playing the Spice Girl's '2become 1'. Enjoy!!
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:38:27 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Question Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811220137380.343-100000@jaca>
Hi there.
Well, since we've been have little Dream Theater Content lately, and I just listened to some Dream Theater after some 3 or 4 months, I was motivated to ask one thing here: what's the meaning of "Falling into Infinity" in the context of DT's last studio effort?
I'd like to see what were some opinions on the subject.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: One point worth noting is that mathematicians and physicists seem to use the word _infinity_ in a completely different meaning that "normal" people would use. Since it's a technical word for them with very precise meaning, they refrain from using it in many contexts where other people would employ it. If you belong to one of the above kind of people, you probably know what I mean. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:20:18 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New Metal Blade releases Message-ID: <bcfceb30.36579102@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/21/98 4:07:31 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> Well, at least I think these are relatively new to Metal Blade Records.
Don't forget the new King's X album "Tape Head" which totally kix ass! They are not new but they ARE new to Metal Blade!
Josh S.
NP: Dream Theater - ACOS
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:39 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Question | Opinions Message-ID: <1b7ce99a.3657a6a7@aol.com>
>< Well, since we've been have little Dream Theater Content lately, and I just listened to some Dream Theater after some 3 or 4 months, I was motivated to ask one thing here: what's the meaning of "Falling into Infinity" in the context of DT's last studio effort? I'd like to see what were some opinions on the subject. []s, Roger... P.S.: One point worth noting is that mathematicians and physicists seem to use the word _infinity_ in a completely different meaning that "normal" people would use. Since it's a technical word for them with very precise meaning, they refrain from using it in many contexts where other people would employ it. If you belong to one of the above kind of people, you probably know what I mean. ><
In some interview with MP, he was asked that and he just said that they were throwing around titles and came up with that, that it doesn't neccesarily have any meaning.
>< >>I'll finally throw my two cents in on this one. Portnoy is definitely on >>my list, but so is Igor Cavalera from Sepultura. He's probably my >>favourite. He's got some really amazing work on "Roots" and "Chaos A.D." >>The beat on "Ratamahatta" is phenomenal.
EVERYBODY disregard this post... he listens to Sepultura... ><
So?
Jim
NP: Billy Joel: Hits v. 1
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:25:31 -0500 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: keyboards; REQUEST!!!; basswood guitars Message-ID: <19981122062939.XFE27249@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey, That CowFella said: >So basically, what are the cheapest workstations out >there that are worth buying?
Heck, do what I did: find guys who already own the equipment and work with them. I'm recording some stuff with a couple guys who just wanted me to lay *real* guitars on some MIDI tracks they had. I return, they're letting me record a HEAP of my stuff. Someday I'll be wealthy and own a computer that is actually MIDI compatible... :P In the meantime, I'll use what I record for them as audition tapes. Anyone in Western Mass or NW Connecticut want to form a band? :) REQUEST: As ridiculous as this is going to sound, I ask, as a favor, that no one post any Star Wars, Episode One content here in the jam. I have spent the last three years trying to ignore any and all information about this film and it gets pretty damn hard as the release date grows near. And yes, I plan on leaving the theater if a preview for it should come on. Previews and articles revealing too much have ruined movies for me in recent years. You may all mock me now. Oh, and as for the comment I made about the basswood guitars, the luthier showed me two other guitars with Floyds that had the EXACT same problem as mine, but were in far worse shape (one he even thought was irreparable, the wood had given so much that the trem post was resting against the pickguard). One of them was an RG570. And if you ask why would guitar makers choose basswood if its *too soft* for Floyds? Three reasons: 1) manufacturers have an allocation of types of wood they are allowed to use, so once their allocation is up for the year, no more guitars can be made with that wood, 2) basswood is a very resonant wood, 3) if your guitar does have this problem, what are you going to do when it breaks? That's right: buy another. I also resented the comment that implied I both abused and failed to properly care for my guitar. But then again, with all the silliness in the last few jams, who am I to resent anything? In that vein, I've recently found that reading Jams goes much quicker if I skip past posts, regardless of topic, by certain people that have a tendency toward needless verbosity. Does anyone else do that? Oh, wait. If you did, you couldn't be reading this, could you? :)
Stodgers
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:36:17 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: fav guitarists Message-ID: <19981122073617.9347.qmail@hotmail.com>
everyone seems to be shooting off their favorate guitarists, so i figured i'd contribute...here's mine in no particular order: uli roth, al dimeola, john maclaughlin, yngwie malmsteen, john petrucci, robert frip, johnny winter, luis maldonado, greg howe, joe pass, allen holdsworth...sweet mother of god this is turning into a long list...wes montgomery, steve howe, steve morse, steve vai, vinnie moore, etc. there's plenty of other guys i really admire but i don't wanna be excesive or nothin =)
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:28:07 -0800 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: To Live Forever MP3 Available Message-ID: <000701be15f2$093834e0$4506aace@default>
Hey all, I've put up an MP3 of the studio version of "To Live Forever" (taken from the Lie single). While this is an "official" release, I believe it is currently next-to-impossible to actually purchase one (outside of paying $50 or more for a used copy). In addition, I know there are a lot of jammers out there who have never been able to hear this version which includes the illustrious vocal harmonies which haved been raved about on occasion. Anyway, here's the URL:
http://members.xoom.com/epitomize/downloads/downloads.htm
If there are meaningful objections to this being available on the net, or if I hear from the band that they want it removed, it's gone.
Enjoy. -Neil.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:12:26 +1100 From: icarus@sydney.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New Metal Blade Release Message-ID: <199811221311.AAA07563@armstrong.apic.net>
Lets not forget that the mighty Labyrinth are now signed to Metal Blade and the recent album 'Return To Heaven Denied' is been out for a while.
GaZ
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:12:26 +1100 From: icarus@sydney.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Are Empty Tremor Italian Prog ? Message-ID: <199811221311.AAA07570@armstrong.apic.net>
Well I am surprised that Arash didn't pick some one up already. But I don't consider Empty Tremor to be as progressive as most of the other bands that I mentioned, they are more straight ahead metal IMO.
cyas GaZ
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:24:11 +0000 From: Semprini Moreno <mosempri@box4.tin.it> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: italian prog Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981122152411.007b03a0@box4.tin.it>
i write from Italy so i love dealing with italian prog bands As other people wrote PFM is a band that has been playing a very intresting music from many years ago up to now.Their last work (the name is: www.pfmpfm.it - il best) is a live that gathers all their best songs and i think that it's rally fantastic.
Besides PFM there are lots of progressive bands:
1) empty tremors - this band has produced an album (apokolokyntosys) and it's going to record their second work.I've seen them playing and I've been astonished by their big technic in playing their instruments.it is not a legend that they played the Ytse Jam when they were only 12 years-old (now they are 20 - 21 years old apart from the keyboarder who is a bit older) and now they play many other DT songs (some part of ACOS, learning to live, the killing hand, another day,...).in any case i think that their principal aim is to be known by their songs that are really well-done. 2) mystere de notre dame - really progressive and melodic.this is one of my favourite italian bands.fantastic players ,(listen at the drummer)they can be sometime very hard,sometimes soft by many changes during their songs. 3) evil wings - this band is going to record its third album that it is said to be sold in march '99. I've seen them playing in the keller pub in bergamo where there has been the DT party organized by the italian dreamers and i must say they are one of the best italian prog bands.A part from the beauty of their songs i've been astonished by the bassist who has been playing many songs in the last part of his instrument (from the 12th to the 24th taste) using very often tappig technique.Really awesome 4) eldritch - they' ve just produced their third album. i think that it is worse than the other, mey be too hard. anyway they are a really good band. 5) athena - with their second album - a new religion ? - i think they will have a great success not only in italy. furthemore many people know their singer, fabio lione, because he sings in another well known band:raphsody (that ane not prog!!! but melodic medieval epic power).if you can find their album, please listen at the track number 6 and tell me what it makes you remember (may be the beginning of a DT song ?....)
If you know other italian prog band or you don't agree what i think about them make me heard your voice!
ciao da MORENO
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