YTSEJAM Digest 4451
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Voting for favorites
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
2) DTIFC Problem
by drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
3) Pat Metheny
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
4) Brand X
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) Chris Kontos - bored with prog/Superior
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) Re: DT and Wheel of Time
by "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Re: DT and Wheel of Time
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
8) Chris Kontos
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
9) Keyboards, Basswood Guitars
by Uroborosss@aol.com
10) Re: DTIFC Problem
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
11) Dunno...
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
12) Re: Hammerfall/celtic music
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
13) Re: Chris Kontos
by Perk1994@aol.com
14) Metal Edge poll thread
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
15) what is progressive anyways? (stagnation subject)
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:24:08 -0600
From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Voting for favorites
Message-ID: <l03130300b27f9e2e978b@[128.83.190.157]>
>P.S.: BTW, why are you always so excited to vote for your favorite artists
>on such-and-such magazine? I simply can't understand the urge to vote --
>will the artists become better just because they appear as the no. 1 of
>the poll? Will you like the artists even more than you already do after
>they appear as the first position? Will be satisfied with that? Will you
>reach an orgasm with that? :-)
The reason to vote for our favorite artist is to get them some more
recognition. If someone sees a band they've never listened to before win a
reader's poll or something, that might make them check out the band in
question. (Although I will admit, seeing my favrite band's name in
headlines is EXTREMELY sexual! :P
James C. Shields
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
Undeclared in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:36:34 -0500
From: drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: DTIFC Problem
Message-ID: <19981123.183720.12542.0.drussell29@juno.com>
Hi,
Well it has been three weeks since I sent my cash and info to the address
in England and still no response.....I am started to wonder if I have
been screwed or not. Has anyone else experience a Problem??
Please let me know! Thanks
Dan Russell
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:44:25 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Pat Metheny
Message-ID: <365A0169.EFE3F66C@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:39:13
> From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
> Subject: Misc. stuff (minor DTC)
>
> All these "best solos" things...
> Where is Pat Metheny among them? Shame, people, shame... you'll
> get that for homework. Metheny. Speak up, kids. "METH-E-NY."
> Right. Well done.
While I didn't like his stuff I heard so far, I have one exception.
Remember this title:
BRIGHT SIZE LIFE
I think it's his first or second album. No ther words than MASTERPIECE,
Piece of art! And he was so young that time, wasn't he?
How these kids come up with such ideas? Also that freak Mike Oldfield -
writing album like "Tubular Bells I" on that age?!?!?!?! Is he an alien
or sumfin'???
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:20:27 -0700
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
>
> >YOU WANNA KNOW THE TRUTH???
>
> Don't pay any attention to this guy. He listens to Lawrence
> Welk. What a dork. :)
Sorry Korgy, I'm not familiar with the guy! :) I just like "A Few Good
Men" (like someone cares)
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:52:34 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Brand X Message-ID: <365A0352.6825134B@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 98 09:35:20 -0800 > From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > Subject: Re: Italian prog > > >Phil Collins: since when has this jumped-up little prat been a > >good drummer? The stuff he did with Genesis was solid but > >not impressive, > > Place Genesis albums "Nursery Cryme" through "Three Sides Live" into a CD > player, and listen to them. Analyze them. Then, any "Brand X" album into > a CD player, and listen to it. Analyze it. > > Andrew
Now bow down and say thanks to Andrew!
Brand X rules! My fave jazz rock band! Phil is monster drummer. Too bad the band is not so famous!
believe it or not, NP: Brand X - Masques
(eat this, Sepultura) :) --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:02:44 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Chris Kontos - bored with prog/Superior Message-ID: <365A05B4.F191596E@home.com>
Imajica asked: > So, a question: anyone know what Chris Kontos (Machine Head's ex drummer) > is up to these days?
Chris Kontos is no longer with the NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning, but he's currently playing for The Manitoba Moose, of the International Hockey League. .... waitaminute...... drummer for Machine Head? OK, either we're talking about different guys here, or Chris is one multi-talented fellow! ;)
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Brad Plumb wrote (concerning growing tired of progmetal): > I can't say I fit this definition cuz I've just recently started to > get really into it.
Same here..... I've only really been a "hardcore progger" for a little over a year now. So (fortunately) I'm not weary of it yet!
> I think the progressive monicre fits a more diverse > range than perhaps you realize. For a dose of new stuff that is different > from the "prog norm" check out Superior.
YES. YES. YES. I've also recently discovered Superior's "Behind" (damn, that sounded perverted!), and I'll be damned if it isn't one of the best CD's I've ever heard! Way to go Bernd! --
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC
************************************************************************** Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying 'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare Reveal the Word when you're supposed to" - Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:41:52 -0500 From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: DT and Wheel of Time Message-ID: <002d01be174b$9fd6e7c0$3baa889e@cout.ml.org>
>Sedai, or a friend suggested to me in the context of Nynaeve, and tell me
You know, that makes a lot of sense to me. Just a quick side question: How many jammers also read WoT? I was the first person I know who got into it, and that was years ago, when the first few books had been released. I've met a few people who also read it, but overall I'm one of the only people I know who read it.
But back to the Nynaeve/DT matter. One of the lyrics especially got me interested, toward the end of the song; the last few lyrics are: "Tonight I'll still be lying here / Surrounded in all the light." That makes perfect sense when speaking of Aes Sedai, since when they embrace the Source they get surrounded in a glow.
Also, in terms of Nynaeve, the words "I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye" could mean her struggle with trying to learn to cope with being a wilder and learning how to use the Source and get rid of her block. Also, when she took her test to become Accepted, she almost DID run away while she was inside the rings (when she was in a vision of being with Lan)... And then at the last minute decided to go back.
Or the words "She will slowly yield the light / As I awaken from the longest night". Those could mean her "awakening" to her new life as an Aes Sedai.
I like that analogy that you brought up, Brad. Gave me a whole new way of thinking about it.
NP: Symphony X - Divine Wings of Tragedy
--- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ <-- My webpage! "He stands before the window, his shadow slowly fading from the wall / And from an ivory tower hears her call: "Let the light surround you." -- Dream Theater, "Surrounded"
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:12:12 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT and Wheel of Time Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981124021212.011d6130@earthlink.net>
At 05:59 PM 11/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I like that analogy that you brought up, Brad. Gave me a whole new way of >thinking about it.
It was the allusions to light and an ivory tower (that one is obvious) that first turned me onto it. I've always felt like DT had a window on things that go on in my life cuz their lyrics seem to match them exactly or at least deal with stuff that I've seen happen to friends or am interested in ah well. glad to see someone else is aware of the eerie similarities now as well.
BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:03:24 +1100 From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Chris Kontos Message-ID: <l03110700b1bf573b2a30@[131.217.133.105]>
Someone asked what Chris Kontos was up to these days..... As far as I know, he is still working with the Danish (?) band Konkhra. Their last album was "Weed Out The Weak", or something like that, and also had Chris's old Testament buddy James Murphy on lead guitar. Not a bad album.
Seeya!
Chris Groves. cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
"And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye"
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:20:10 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Keyboards, Basswood Guitars Message-ID: <763bf4ad.365a25ea@aol.com>
> From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: keyboards; REQUEST!!!; basswood guitars > > Heck, do what I did: find guys who already own the equipment and work with > them. I'm recording some stuff with a couple guys who just wanted me to lay > *real* guitars on some MIDI tracks they had. I return, they're letting me > record a HEAP of my stuff.
I was able to do that last week, thanks to some very generous musicians who mentioned that "Episode I: The Phantom Menace" is really a metaphor for the Korean War.
> Someday I'll be wealthy and own a computer that is actually MIDI compatible... > :P In the meantime, I'll use what I record for them as audition tapes. Anyone in > Western Mass or NW Connecticut want to form a band? :)
I'll join your band, but only if you promise not to tell anyone that "Episode I: The Phantom Menace" is going to feature Natalie Portman doing a nude scene wearing nothing but that outrageous headpiece and makeup.
> REQUEST: As ridiculous as this is going to sound, I ask, as a favor, that > no one post any Star Wars, Episode One content here in the jam. I have > spent the last three years trying to ignore any and all information about > this film and it gets pretty damn hard as the release date grows near.
So I guess I shouldn't tell you that in "Episode I: The Phantom Menace" we find out that Boba Fett is really one of Yoda's rebellious offspring?
> And yes, I plan on leaving the theater if a preview for it should come on. > Previews and articles revealing too much have ruined movies for me in > recent years. You may all mock me now.
Well it's either mock you or give away the fact that light-sabers CAN be tye- dyed, as you'll see in "Episode I: The Phantom Menace."
The Bafu Menace
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:46:58 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DTIFC Problem Message-ID: <199811240345.OAA23699@armstrong.apic.net>
> Hi,
Hi, > Well it has been three weeks since I sent my cash and info to the address > in England and still no response.....I am started to wonder if I have > been screwed or not. Has anyone else experience a Problem?? > Please let me know! Thanks
why not email the DTIFC president Neil Elliot and ask him ? images_and_words@compuserve.com
He usually replies to any queries within a day or so.
GaZ
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:53:01 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dunno... Message-ID: <000701be175d$efe1c2a0$63739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
I've heard Superior. I like them. They remind me of a mix between Savatage and something from 1988, the year of thrash heaven. I think it's cool. But it's not that new. Do I sound like a record company exec? Here's an idea... let's get ourselves a band with a female vocalist, two stick players, no guitarist, and a percussionist who plays tonal instruments as well as normal drums and cymbals. Then we'll teach them about serialism, give them a book by Ayn Rand, and a copy of Dianetics by L Ron Hubbard, and make them write an epic based on a fictional Ayn Rand translation of Dianetics, and a literary critique by a fictional L Ron clone, because all the cool books have already been written about in epic tunes. We'll call it FFFGWQ because all the good band names are taken. Then we'll bomb the studio before they finish recording the album, and we'll all just wonder "what could have been?"
I love Tribal Tech. I want to steal all of Greg Howe's chops. I do not care about when the next Rush studio release will come out, because we've already heard it. I concur with Rahul about FII. I was so totally expecting something else (as you'll remember, I refused to get any samples because like the Star Wars folk, I didn't want to lose anything by hearing it ahead of time.) DT probably isn't going to walk any further on the wild side than Metropolis II. I don't get the vibe that they're too into that tune or what it represents, because if they were all into that kind of crazy technical craft the way they were, why have they only rehearsed it once, and why isn't it out? That's not a bad thing. I rather think that LitS is about the best song they've ever done, and Derek is not only a great keyboardist but also a really fresh mind with regard to weird but usable sounds. I like what DT is doing. I just hope they're as into it as we all are. Blah blah blah. It's early, and yet I'm blabbering, so I'm going to sleep. Later!
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:06:39 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Hammerfall/celtic music Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981123230639.0069fec0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids.....
If that isn't a Subject: line that kicks, I don't know what is. :)
Karol! wants to know: >Hammerfall. I've heard a lot about this band recently... how do >they sound like?
Pure power metal with a strong 80's flavor. More fantasy-inspired than most bands from the 80's were, but there are a lot of anthemic-type vocals and assertions that metal will never die as long as we stick together and support it. :) /me bangs his head furiously thinking how he's going to be in da front row for Hammerfall in a couple weeks.....
>Another thing: does anyone know something about celtic music type >bands? Any suggestions/comments?
Depends on what version of "Celtic" you refer to.
Celtic rock: Tempest. Celtic pop: Clannad, Loreena McKennitt (though Loreena throws a lot of Middle Eastern influences in too). Celtic new age: David Arkenstone's "The Celtic Book of Days", Enya, Adiemus (Adiemus also throws in lots of Middle Eastern influences). Traditional Celtic melodies and performances: The Chieftains (preferably with flutist James Galway). Chapman Stick played in a Celtic (and Spanish) style: Bob Culbertson's "A Moment in Time".
"TSM" remarked: >Once again it's that time of the year when even the idea of songs like >Innocence Faded makes me want to vomit, so I'm looking for some CDs to >match my mood and thought that perhaps some people on this list would >like to help. What I'm hoping to find is something jazzy, bossa nova >kind of music
For a good dose of jazz-flavored mostly acoustic music, try anything by Jesse Cook ("Vertigo" and "Gravity" are good choices). Bob Culbertson's solo Chapman Stick release "Cafe San Francisco" has a very jazzy, bluesy feel to it. Also, Joe Satriani's self-titled release is strongly jazz- and blues-influenced.
>but I'd also >like to know about bands with music similiar to In This Room by The 3rd >and the Mortal, or Omnio by In the Woods (any suggestions mr.Gallop?).
Dunno about Neil, but if you haven't already gotten everything by Therion (excellent dark metal with a full choir and orchestra, plus great vocals) then you must do so now; "Theli" and "Vovin" are both must-haves. For some ethereal music with slight gothic tendencies and a haunting female voice, three releases by the Changelings are worth getting (self-titled, "Terra Firma" and "Amphibian"). Already mentioned under the Celtic list above is Adiemus, which is purely magical in its darkly orchestrated music and floating choral vocals. Finally, for a more metallic feel, grab up Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray".
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:18:58 EST From: Perk1994@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Chris Kontos Message-ID: <4bdbd45b.365a33b2@aol.com>
In a message dated 11/23/98 6:01:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< So, a question: anyone know what Chris Kontos (Machine Head's ex drummer) is up to these days? >>
Didn't he used to play for the Rangers too?
Take care, Adam
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:36:06 -0500 From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Metal Edge poll thread Message-ID: <007801be1753$30a819c0$4e18acd1@Customer.in-tech.net>
Roger stated: >P.S.: BTW, why are you always so excited to vote for your favorite artists >on such-and-such magazine? I simply can't understand the urge to vote -- >will the artists become better just because they appear as the no. 1 of >the poll? Will you like the artists even more than you already do after >they appear as the first position? Will be satisfied with that? Will you >reach an orgasm with that? :-) > > Now, seriously, is the artist "better" just because he/she/it (in >the case of Marilyn Manson) won the poll? IMO, getting a large number of >votes in a poll just measures popularity/unpopularity. "Quality" (whatever >that means -- it's subjective) in the music field can't be measured by any >objective means, let alone by passionate votes to a magazine poll.
I think by voting for DT we will help promote them. If DT are high in the polls, sure, some people won't give a damn, but to the DT-virgins out there, seeing DT rank up high might get them to check them out. It's all promoting. Hell, Elektra doesn't do enough of it, so we might as well help DT the best we can.
Just absolutely no reason, I will divulge my personal pronunciations of ystejam and yngwie. I say them as "yitz-jam" and "Ying-ee". I know they are wrong, but it's like a horrible addiction. Death Lord NP: Symphony X- DWOT
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:10:04 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: what is progressive anyways? (stagnation subject) Message-ID: <365A238C.27A9@sprynet.com>
I think what chris said holds true for a lot of prog fans after a while. I started out getting all the stuff, you know:
Dream Theater - "Fu(*k! this is awesome" then came Fates Warning, etc. then came along stuff like Shadow Gallery ("dude this rules!!!)" but after a while, it starts losing that special feeling to it. Like the new Shadow gallery, I got it to very little fanfare, and even though I like it, it's nothing that I haven't really heard before, nothing that makes me want to call my friends up and say, "check this out" because it's familiar turf. I don't know if it's as much as a problem in Prog as it is in personal preferences or whatever. Prog is what prog is, as long as we keep defining it as sounding like Dream Theater "Images and Words."
these days, what i find most fulfilling is the truly creative and original diverse stuff and leading the way is the main man, Devin Townsend. In just over 20 months, this guy has released Strapping Young Lad "City," Ocean Machine "Biomech," and "INFINITY," each in their own right some of the "purest" music I have ever heard. It comes straight from the soul, and it doesn't set out to be a genre or do anything other than what it is. It is what it is.
And i think that's where my future in music lies, in the creative, original stuff like that, like Chroma Key, Samael. Heck, that's why I think it's great to see bands like Marillion, Superior, and even Dream Theater constantly morphing into something new, something different - even if you may not like the latest incarnation it's not the same old album you've heard.
Don't get me wrong though, I still get stuff like Shadow Gallery, Angra (and I do like the new one), threshold, etc. But the real excitement lies in the unknown, and whether it's classified as prog or not, it's where i am.
cool.
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