YTSEJAM Digest 4452
Today's Topics:
1) YINGWEE
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) What happened to prog?
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
3) new steve vai...
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
4) DT Web Broadcast - Drummers - Tim 'Herb' Alexander
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
5) Metal Edge
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
6) The Stagnation of Prog
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
7) Tribal Tech / Greg Howe
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
8) Re: METAL EDGE READER'S POLL!!!
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
9) david rosenthal on ACOS???
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
10) Ptacek's Ponderous Ponderings
by MusicSnob@aol.com
11) WTF is WoT
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4451
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
13) 5YIAL - Keyboard error
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) NDTC - new album covers/liners...
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
15) ya DAAAAAMN riiiiiight....
by Andrew <acos0206@postoffice.uri.edu>
16) Re: Drummers...? Huh
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
17) Phil Collins....
by "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
18) Misc observations
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
19) Metal Edge Reader's Poll
by "Kevin A. Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:30:55 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: YINGWEE
Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E8C4@ms.kallback.com>
> > Hey guys (and chicks)...
> >How the Hell do you pronounse Yngwie? I always think
> (YEENG->wee).ThanX,-maX
>
I've heard a lot of people pronouce it "Asshole". :)
Not me though, I don't know the guy.
Trevor
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:40:47 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: What happened to prog?
Message-ID: <365a8d206e18001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Here's my take on it...'prog' has always been stupid, self-indulgent,
boring, and pointless. It just takes some people a while to realize it. ;)
But really... in my ever-so-fucking-humble opinion, all music is going
downhill the last few years.
As far as I'm concerned, the only classics to come out in this decade are
Chroma Key, Pearl Jam "Ten," "Images and Words," and Anthrax "Sound of
White Noise." These are the only albums that have made me sit up and go,
"What the fuck is this?" They blew my mind. They made me sit and rethink my
entire musical sphere. They excited me in a way that other
good-but-not-great albums can't match, because they sound *new*.
Here's hoping that 1999 brings something that can compare.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:53:17 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: new steve vai...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981124135317.0098e850@mail.surffi.net>
I was cheking out upcoming releases from one Finnish (www.anttila.fi to
finnjammahs :) store, and they had new steve vai coming in november... is
there any truth to this?
op777
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:52:19 -0500
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT Web Broadcast - Drummers - Tim 'Herb' Alexander
Message-ID: <199811240752_MC2-6156-7AC7@compuserve.com>
I have seen other bands do things over the Web e.g. Ozric Tentacles,
Primus, has DT? If not would they consider it? I never experienced the
above broadcasts maybe they don't work too well!
When the Ozrics did it they released a limited run of CD copies of the
concert / broadcast.
Drummers.
Tim ' Herb' Alexander.
No one think this guys good ?? Cause I think he is.
David C
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 07:37:05 -0200
From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Metal Edge
Message-ID: <004301be0fb2$5ab29180$7efee6c8@bretel>
Ok, nobody needs to be forced to vote, but the more votes they get, the more
more coverage they will receive...come on guys, maybe you don't read that
mag, but they always published cool pix from DT... I've seen good pix from
Mr. M.Portnoy with his daughter Melody, a pic from Mr. Petrucci and the
twins and some interesting interviews with the band...
and it's always COOL to receive an award ;-)
If you don't feel the urge to vote, don't do it, but remember recognization
is cool and keeps the band selling stuff
[]s
Gilberto
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:34:48 -0500
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The Stagnation of Prog
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC2919E5@HAMSXHA2>
>Christopher Ptacek wrote,
>
>I rather think that LitS is
>about the best song they've ever done, and Derek is not only a great
>keyboardist but also a really fresh mind with regard to weird but usable
>sounds. I like what DT is doing. I just hope they're as into it as we all
>are.
AMEN. The above statements hit the nail on the head for me. When I heard
FII, I said to myself, "This is it. This is the music I've been hearing in
my head." I'd been listening to a lot of prog stuff, and thinking "Wow. This
is all really good, but it's all... the same." FII was such a breath of
fresh air for me. I really hope DT continues in this direction - it seems
that way, with the way their B-sides are sounding (far less
technically-oriented and more poppy [for lack of a better term] songs).
Don't get me wrong. There's something that'll always make my spine shiver
when I hear the guitar/keyboard solo in Metropolis I. But how many times can
you do that before your audience says, "Been there, done that."? Or, more
importantly, before you yourself say, "I'm tired of playing these insanely
fast scalar runs. What now?"
It's very tough to find new, fresh stuff out there. That's why I've been
throwing myself into different veins of music lately. My roommate is way
into jazz, and at first, I *hated* jazz. Couldn't stand it, didn't think it
had any purpose, and wouldn't have any of it. Slowly, though, I've been
finding myself getting into some fusion-y type stuff (i.e. Vital Tech Tones,
Show Me What You Can Do), and really getting into some New Age stuff as
well. Why? Because it's different. It's not the same stuff that I've been
listening to for almost two years now, maybe.
Why am I even sending this? Maybe I feel as though I have to justify to you
all why I've been shying away from progressive music lately? Maybe I have to
justify it to myself, and this is my outlet? I dunno. *sigh* More to come
after the first cup of coffee...
- Nick
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:11:47 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Tribal Tech / Greg Howe
Message-ID: <365A9473.EC9E5253@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:53:01 -0600
> From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
>
> I love Tribal Tech. I want to steal all of Greg Howe's chops.
Errr, can someone tell me what's the connection between Tribal Tech and
Greg Howe!?!?!??!
I recently found out about Howe and man, he's crazy. I call his music
jazz guitar metal. :)
So, does he play guitar in TT?
Thanks!
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: METAL EDGE READER'S POLL!!! Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.03.9811240956370.19683-100000@panix2.panix.com>
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> I simply can't understand the urge to vote -- > will the artists become better just because they appear as the no. 1 of > the poll?
Ah, this brings back memories. In the good old days, Tommy Lee always used to swipe the '#1' keyboardist spot. Now we have to stand for second rate players like Marilyn getting the spotlight.. sic transit gloria mundi.
Jens. <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:07:20 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: david rosenthal on ACOS??? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981124170720.0098ca20@mail.surffi.net>
from http://davidrosenthal.com/dr2.htm
>>>>>>> When he's off the road, David is in heavy demand as a session player. His impressive discography includes WHITESNAKE's "Slip of the Tongue" album, STEVE VAI's "Passion and Warfare" (a 1991 Grammy nominee), DREAM THEATER's "A Change Of Seasons", YNGWIE MALMSTEEN's "Inspiration", DONNA ALLEN's "Heaven on Earth", STACY LATTISAW's "Personal Attention", and WILL TO POWER's "Will to Power" (which included the #1 hit single, "Baby I Love Your Way/Freebird Medley"). <<<<<<<<<
hmmm......
op777
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:56:56 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ptacek's Ponderous Ponderings Message-ID: <f103e29f.365ad748@aol.com>
Chris mentioned something about Superior sounding to him like a cross between 1988 thrash and Savatage. While that may have been true (to a certain extent) with "Behind," it is obvious to me that he has NOT listened to YOUnique. That cd sounds NOTHING like Savatage or 1988 thrash. It may not be the most ground-breaking cd ever released, but it's coming close in 1998. Give it a listen. By the way, maybe I should lend my nick to Chris....
NP: Queensryche - Promised Land
Kevin Madden
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:28:27 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: WTF is WoT Message-ID: <19981124162828.28261.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all, since I am reading a lot lately, what is the name of the book that suggests allusions to Surrounded? WoT? I thought Ninaeve was in Mists of Avalon, but then...
I just had to skip 15 jams, because I didn't have time to read them all, I just wanted to say that I just had a very good trade experience (although I am more in CD's than in tapes), but the Noorderlight gig I got in return was a really nice boot of Fix for 96, way better quality than my CD, and the audience volume is fucking cool. I get chills everytime when those people sing "the smile of dawn" or " lost in the skyiaay, clouds roll by and I roll with them, tatata tatata". It's almost like the feeling(which I guess is untopable(does this word exist)) I get from this one live version of BJ's Blaze of Glory (I know it's by JBJ, but tis is a BJ performance) where the audience sings the complete first verse and he goes "yeah".
Anyway, what I really have to say, that although I agree with people stating that a solo on a record should be reproduced the same way live, because there's a reason for the solo being the solo it is, I think that the intro(wtf is he talking about, solo, now intro) of LitS on OiaL gives it another boost. Tasty !!! The whole performance of this song makes it my fav song even more...
"What were we thinking." Listening to Fix for 96 versions of e.g. LitS brought this JP line back to mind. I'm glad for most changes they made, but osn't it amazing how early in the songwriting process he has the solo almost ready?
nuff said, schnipp
"people sometimes think I'm crazy" - badlands
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:46:25 -0500 From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4451 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981124114625.007a4cf0@mailhost.vwc.edu>
At 01:35 AM 11/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:41:52 -0500 >From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >Subject: Re: DT and Wheel of Time
<melodramatic Queensryche scream>
No. NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
</melodrama>
You know it's bad when the worst fantasy "writer" ever to disgrace bookshelves is not only "discussed" ad nauseam on author listserves, but even gets thread time on a music listserve. ::grimace::
Jaime the Dragon, fading back into lurkdom
--------------- http://home.interpath.net/jkimpton/ AIM: Elisedd ICQ:5926598
"Misery loves company, but she'll never foot the bill."
-- Bourgeois Tagg
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 5YIAL - Keyboard error Message-ID: <19981124164833.7220.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Just received my 5YIAL video. Been watching it, I think it's pretty cool. A must have for DT fans.
Did anyone notice the keyboard snafu that occured when they did the Pink Floyd "Have a Cigar" section. Derek spins around to his Trinity facing MP, ready to jump in and double up the lead guitar, and viola!, no sound! The next time they show Derek he's punching buttons up there on the Trinity, possibly trying to fix it.
I've always thought that it would be hard to keep all of your voices and patches straight on those synths. Especially when you're playing live and changing sounds all the time. I'm surprised that doesn't happen more often. Then again, it could have been the soundman who had turned it off at the mixing board...who knows?
- BH
P.S. A friend said something pretty funny when I forced him to watch. He asked where the show was, and I told him it was Europe. He said "wow, that's cool, and he's singing it all in another language for them!?". Had to laugh and tell him it was all english.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:52:16 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NDTC - new album covers/liners... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981124165216.009149d0@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello, Can anyone answer this one for me, privately if possible as I rarely have time to read the 'Jam in-depth at the moment...Does ANYONE know how/where I can re-order CD liner notes for a particular CD?? I ask because a "friend" spilt something nasty on a Rainbow CD of mine and it won't open up without tearing the pages to bits, so I'm a little pissed about that, but accidents happen. PLEASE if you know about getting new liners, preferably in the UK, drop me a line privately. Thanking you in advance, Chris Parnham ______________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:08:01 -0500 From: Andrew <acos0206@postoffice.uri.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ya DAAAAAMN riiiiiight.... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981124120801.0079dae0@postoffice.uri.edu>
>Dream Theater - "Fu(*k! this is awesome" >then came Fates Warning, etc. then came along stuff like Shadow Gallery >("dude this rules!!!)" but after a while, it starts losing that special >feeling to it. <snip> I don't know if it's as >much as a problem in Prog as it is in personal preferences or whatever. >Prog is what prog is, as long as we keep defining it as sounding like >Dream Theater "Images and Words."
my brain hurts. why can't i ever find elegant words to explain something the way he's doing?
>these days, what i find most fulfilling is <insert person, band, or whatever> >It is what it is.
and he doesn't eat waffles everyday for breakfast either. :)
>And i think that's where my future in music lies, in the creative, >original stuff. Heck, that's why I >think it's great to see bands constantly morphing into something new, >something different - >even if you may not like the latest incarnation it's not the same old >album you've heard.
I'm speechless. I'm truly speechless. I'm not trying to put this guy on a pedestal here but damn.
>But the real excitement >lies in the unknown, and whether it's classified as prog or not, it's >where i am.
Quick and simple. The whole base behind prog (I thought) is that it's DIFFERENT. and in my eyes the people that want every DT album to sound like I&W aren't any different from the people who like the same rehashed stuff on the radio.
Chew on this. :)
my addy's at the top. I can take flames personally.
ToeJam.
ICQ# 755573
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:40:09 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Drummers...? Huh Message-ID: <000c01be17dc$ae950bc0$19836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
CyberDuke wrote: <<<Dennis IS the DRUM-MAN!>>>
<blush>...... Thanks....
D.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:01:16 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Phil Collins.... Message-ID: <001b01be17dc$d2879f20$19836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Neil Gallop wrote about Phil Collins:
<<<The stuff he did with Genesis was solid but not impressive, >>>
You really don't get it do you? Do all drummers have to be impressing? I bet at least half of you prog drummers out there freak out when they're asked to lay down a solid 4/4... Maybe that's why most of you guys don't appreciate Metallica anymore. Ever heard of "Less Is More"? I guess simple is hard for you.... It's what the music sounds like that counts, not how impessive the musicians play, God damnit.....
Stickmaster D. (I just realized this post will probably mean I will have to put that firesuit on again.... <sigh...>)
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:16:59 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Misc observations Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981124134626.14056A-100000@gs.bass.org>
So, there I was reading the last love-filled edition of Yitz-eee-digest and hd to see some items upon which I decided to share my gifted insight.
The CyberDuke clenched his fists, gritted his teeth, shoved huge wads of cottonballs in his ears and boldly proclaimed: >Sorry Korgy, I'm not familiar with the guy! (Lawrence Welk)
This is completely unbelievable! A Yitz-Ay jammer who has not heard the king of swinging accordion?? Will wonders never cease! Everyone rush out and hear him; he can Shred (as you can see, with a capital s). </sarcasm>
But on the other hand, Pat Metheny is a very talented musician; both "Road to You" (the live disc he issued in '93) and his most recent Imaginary Day are very good. Another fusion player who was/is decent is Lee Ritenour. His early (i.e. 70's) work include the theme from Seven Days of the Condor (great movie!).
Phillip in mentioning Devin Townsend's prolific output neglected to mention SYL's "No Sleep 'til Bedtime (live in Australia)." I'm still looking for Biomech and Infinity. I guess I'm looking in all the wrong places.
And finally, Buffoon Vai made me laugh out loud as he patently belabored the obvious response to Stodgers. I couldn't help myself and now have my very own copy of the trailer which I watch over and over. Of course, without a sound card, I feel like I might be missing something...naahh.
You guys are the best.
P
NP Wishbone Ash: Illuminations UFO: The X Factor
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
Just being alive/ It can really hurt/ And these moments given/ Are a gift from time
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:47:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Kevin A. Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Metal Edge Reader's Poll Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981124134420.21518G-100000@pegasus>
Hey Jammers,
How about Liquid Tension Experiment for Best New Artist!!! I believe they do qualify since their first album was this year. I voted for a lot of Dream Theater, except I chose Geddy Lee for bassist (the Driven bass solo on Different Stages rocks my world!!!) I voted for the new Dream Theater video, but I had to vote for Rush in one of the spots.
Later, Kevin
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