YTSEJAM Digest 4455

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Date: Tue Nov 24 1998 - 20:47:39 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Devin Townsend's projects
     by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
      2) Online CD Import stores.
     by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
      3) Re: david rosenthal on ACOS???
     by Thomas <Thomas.Nojd@ericsson.com>
      4) Re: Confirmed Holiday shows
     by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
      5) less is more
     by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
      6) re: greg howe
     by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
      7) Nightwish (NDTC)
     by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
      8) Re: less is more
     by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
      9) Prog dying / less is more (a bit lengthy)
     by "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
     10) less? more?
     by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
     11) Weird "To Live Forever" MP3
     by "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
     12) kamalot
     by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
     13) re:new steve vai (flexable leftovers)
     by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
     14) LTE Latest!!!!
     by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
     15) Sweatin' to the progies
     by AL <al@isd.net>
     16) Guitar heroes
     by Pieter.Serruys@hae.hydro.com
     17) DT 1997 Christmas CD
     by "markinator" <oubobcat@erols.com>
     18) friends death
     by Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
     19) Various ramblings...
     by "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>

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    Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:47:39 PST
    From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@axnet.net
    Subject: Re: Devin Townsend's projects
    Message-ID: <19981125064739.836.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Someone had asked how they could special order Devin Townsend's
    "Infinity" via the Internet. CDEurope has it in.
    http://www.cdeurope.com

    As far as bands that are mentioned here on the 'jam, I'd say they
    pretty much have the best selection - especially that hard to find
    European stuff we Americans crave so much!!!

    Anyway, give 'em a try. Their prices aren't exactly "discount", but
    they're better than some.

    I've got a couple CD's in mind that only CDEurope carries. They've got
    the inside scoop!

    - Dr. Teeth

    P.S. By the way, Devin is God! Natural Science, baby!!! ;)

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    Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:57:14 -0700
    From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
    Subject: Online CD Import stores.
    Message-ID: <000e01bcf913$2b394680$430d84d0@korgx3>

    >Someone had asked how they could special order Devin Townsend's
    >http://www.cdeurope.com

    I'd actually recommend Knights of the Round
    (http://www.knightsoftheround.com/) as far as imports. I've never had a
    problem with them, they have Excellent customer service, they are fast,
    carry about everything prog, and they aren't expensive on most of their
    stuff. Right now, they've got Superior's "YOUnique" for $14.99/free
    shipping and Power of Omen's "Eyes of the Oracle" for $12.99/free shipping.
    No worries, mine are already on order. :) </shameless plug for favorite
    on-line prog store>

    Keep on 'jammin'. I know I am. 

    --
KorgX3

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:00:52 +0100
From: Thomas <Thomas.Nojd@ericsson.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: david rosenthal on ACOS???
Message-ID: <365BB934.2E59BBBD@ericsson.com>

    In Jam#4452, O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> wrote:

    > David Rosenthal's impressive discography includes DREAM THEATER's
> "A Change Of Seasons", blablabla

    And then op777 implies that he doesn't believe this fact:
>hmmm...... 

    Well, if you look around in his site (www.davidrosenthal.com) you will find 
this stunning info:

    DREAM THEATER - A Change of Seasons
Prior to the recording of this album, I was asked to become a bandmember of 
Dream Theater.  I was unavailable because I was touring with Billy Joel at 
that time.  However, I was able to make time to do some synthesizer 
programming on this EP.

    Ta,

    Thomas
________________________________________________________________________

    Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

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    Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:58:08 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Confirmed Holiday shows
Message-ID: <365BB890.7EDA6326@ucla.edu>

    *gets down on her knees and thansk the gods of metal*

        I cant believe I have been given a second chance to see DT!!!  Good
thing Im going to the east coast for Xmas, or at least I think I am. 
For the record, I was raised by a mother who only likes oldies, and a
father who wouldnt let me listen to the radio in the car because "music
is a nuisance".. All I got from friends was alternative.  And yes, I am
metalhead. (well, im becoming one, anyway).  I dont know how I ever
lived without the stuff.  
> 
>   A lowly *chick* bass player,
>                 Juli

    C'mon, Juli, lets put these guys in their places! We need more female
guitarists and bassists.

    ~~Amanda

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:17:13 PST
From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: less is more
Message-ID: <19981125081714.28950.qmail@hotmail.com>

        Esthetic pondering can be very confusing.  Appropriate 
conceptualization of the fundamentals of any subject always is. (For 
some reason that is beyond me, it seems to lead to some very angry folks 
also.)  However, I think one point that can be filtered out of all of 
this and one with which I think that most people, if they think on it as 
sufficiently and impartially as possible, will agree is that given two 
pieces of music that are exactly alike in all other evaluative respects, 
the more complex one will always be better.  Any reduction in quality of 
a more complex piece, it would seem, is the result of either the 
inability of the musician to do justice to such a sophisticated piece or 
the musician's neglect of the other aspects of the piece in his/her 
attempt to make it more complex.
    Finally, as much as I like DT, and as good as they are, their 
compositions, in terms of raw complexity, can't hold a candle to most 
classical composers.  You can pick a random piece by Bach and be about 
90% sure that it's more complex than any prog composition that's ever 
been written.
    Conclusion of these very different paragraphs:  Complexity, ceteris 
paribus, does make any given piece better.  However, it doesn't seem to 
be the only dimension of esthetic goodness, and people who think it is 
should be trading their prog (and jazz) for some nice baroque.
  jason  

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:23:35 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: greg howe
Message-ID: <19981125082335.28943.qmail@hotmail.com>

    this jazz-guitar metal is most commonly refered to as "FUSION", and yes 
greg how is a fusion monster.. get INTROSPECTION.. you won't be 
dissapointed..

    Inferno

    >I recently found out about Howe and man, he's crazy. I call his music
>jazz guitar metal. :)
>So, does he play guitar in TT?
>Thanks!
 

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:36:55 PST
From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Nightwish (NDTC)
Message-ID: <19981125083656.5156.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Hi!

    I've noticed that some of you have the new Nightwish album.
I've heard the first one,and I didn't like it too much.There we're 
some good song,but not too many...How is the new one?Do they still have 
that malesinger who can't sing?He sounded like shit...The female singer 
was good,tough...

    Ok,I'll be heading home now.I've got new Hammerfall and Rhapsody CD's
in my pocket...

    ~Jani~

     

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:51:05 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: less is more
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981125085105.0119b320@earthlink.net>

    A    Finally, as much as I like DT, and as good as they are, their 
>compositions, in terms of raw complexity, can't hold a candle to most 
>classical composers.  You can pick a random piece by Bach and be about 
>90% sure that it's more complex than any prog composition that's ever 
>been written.

    Classical composers also had a lot more to work with than 5 instruments.
Think on that. 

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:49:58 -0700
From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Prog dying / less is more (a bit lengthy)
Message-ID: <JEJJMCBFLAJHAAAA@mailcity.com>

    The most recent discussions have (for once) gaught my attention - so brutally I feel this strong urge to reply...
(You don't have to read this, it's only therapy for me (really got nothing to say).)

    C. Ptacek:
> ...it feels like Prog is stagnating.

    Y. Hilal:
> I suspect that prog will eventually die for most of the 
> ppl on this list. I figure it's just human nature.

    Those were wise words. And perhaps you're both right. 
Even though prog, according to me, has one of the widest spectres and encourages more experimental solutions to arrangements, techniques and songwriting, the genre will be overfed some day - if it isn't gone that way already.

    I we look at FII, it certainly gives a new breeze to the movement of DT. Although I feel a bit uncertain upon it. Occasionally, it's the best goddamn album I've heard. Occasionally, I don't give a damn about it or think it stinks. Perhaps this is because it's somewhat like a total turnaround in their progress. I'm not used to it yet - guess I'll never be.
And yeah, the 90's prog bands are all just a bunch of copycats. DT are copycats as well, but they do a good job hiding it in great music. IOW, they're so fucking great so you just don't care.

    I'm quite new to prog, so my first thought when I hear of musicians getting tired of 32-note chromatic scales in 200 bpm is like "Fuck off ya snorky bitch! You can't possibly mean that!". But when I give it a second thought, it seems fully understandable. So think twice before you spit on people who claims that "less is more".

    Which brings me to another subject - "less is more".
I find it as a matter of style. Your style is what you play. If you freak out and play fast, you're of a "shredder"-style. If you play pentatonics, slow but emotionally, you're of a "bluesy" style. It depends on what you play if "less is more". Sometimes that statement is true.

    Eight months ago, I was quite new to bass playing in bands, and I wanted to show off and come up with funny lines and stuff. I plucked in fills whenever I had the opportunity. It didn't improve my playing - certainly not on songs like "Still got the blues" or "Hotel California"... 
After a while, I got rid of all that pseudo-spectacular lines, and the songs sounded better and better - so there was less more.
But if you put Phil Rudd (AC/DC, FYI) in 80's Dream Theater, the band would lose its style. So if you want to play in a style which demands technique and, well... "shredding", less isn't more at all times.

    IMO, Pink Floyd would have sucked with e.g. Steve Vai on guitar.
70's Yes couldn't possibly have managed with David Gilmour.

    "Less is more" is just a big fucking "It depends...".

    Bullocks' time's passed. Therapy's over. Back to the cruel reality.

    O

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:52:05 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: less? more?
Message-ID: <199811250851.KAA29047@xyz.estcard.ee>

    ]From: Ibanez506@aol.com

    > affect it. Simplicity can be beautiful, complexity can be beautiful and
> equally, both can also be not beautiful. In the hands of a master
> simplicity can be a gorgeous thing. If you think of drummers like Steve

    Yeah. That kind of makes me want to scream out "Vinnie Colaiuta" once 
again. I got hooked on that guy's playing after "Mercury Falling" by 
Sting. GodDAMNit, this is simple, yet very melodic and powerful underneath 
and leaves no question about the man's abilities.

    And there's of course Bozzio (again!) on "Impact 2 - Fading Fast". 
(Probably the only song this far on the Explorers' Club disc that I love 
unconditionally.)

    And I'm delighted to see that this Portnoy-guy hasn't been overplaying 
that much as of late. :-)

    Ordered Bozzio's "Chamber Works" and "Drawing The Circle". Expect sad news 
from me. My dying of delight for instance.

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:55:44 -0700
From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Weird "To Live Forever" MP3
Message-ID: <POKPOPCBMFJHAAAA@mailcity.com>

    Hi again, ev'ryone.

    I was wondering if any jammer with good knowledge of lesser-known DT recordings could help me out with a DT MP3 I found at www.playdude.com. (I searched the site for "Dream Theater")

    It's TLF, acoustic version, with two singers. Sounds like JLB and... Geddy Lee! Has this happened or am I a just a deaf nutcase? I haven't heard anything of any DT performance with Geddy Lee.

    Please help me out on this - I would like to know.

    O

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:29:44 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: kamalot
Message-ID: <70F2A25BBC4DD21194B400A024D1C34128E8D3@ms.kallback.com>

    This new Kamalot w/Khan is pretty good. How is pre-Khan Kamalot?

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:44:57 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re:new steve vai (flexable leftovers)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981125114457.00994520@mail.surffi.net>

    I thought this has already been out for a month or so?

    op777

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:17:02 +0000
From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: maxverran@hotmail.com
Subject: LTE Latest!!!!
Message-ID: <A2EED46C@MHS>

    maX

    Please could you forward this to the YTSEJAM if my post doesn't get 
through.  I'm sure they won't mind getting this twice.

    Thanks

    Nikki

    **************************************************

    ROAD DIARY UPDATE - Nov. 22, Millbrook NY. - Liquid Tension repairs it's leak.

    We're back in the studio, finishing the album we started last month. 
JohnPetrucci's baby is doing fine, and the hiatus the baby urged on 
this project seems to have been worthwhile - my fingers are certainly 
nimbler now, after some Crimson touring. As I write this, at midnight, 
the other guys are still in the studio - having taken barely a break 
all day from writing and learning the newest LTE epic. Their endurance 
amazes me. Sometime this week I've got to get some practice time in for 
the upcoming BLUE tour - those pieces are different than these, but 
still demanding for the Stick player!

    There's a new feature here at Millbrook Sound; Paul, the owner, has 
assembled many of his vintage guitar amp tops in the control room, so 
guitar players can audition each of them while overdubbing to a track. 
Very neat... might even replace the toilet paper here as the best 
feature of the studio! oh oh ... got to get back in there.

    ]From Tony Levin's Website http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:35:00 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Sweatin' to the progies
Message-ID: <365BDD54.F8A7BC2E@isd.net>

    I'm now watching the movie "Backdraft" to help me prepare for the fallout
this post will inevitably bring...

    I picked up two CD's today.
Superior "Behind"
Spock's Beard  "The Kindness of Strangers"

    I like the Superior CD, I've listened to it twice and enjoyed it more the
second time around. (This is a good sign I will like it more with each listen)
I think most DT fans would be quite pleased with this CD, I sure am.

    I just don't get the fuss about Spock's Beard.  Most of the music is great and
recording is above average, but the lyrics blow. IMHO.
To *ME* the singer is boring ...Zzzzz..  When no vocal effects are used
he sounds like a teenage Ty Tabor.  There is a ton of YES influence at
work, but it just doesn't have the same finesse. ( I was listening to YES
back when many of you weren't even little sack-swimmers)
I will continue to listen to it and see if it clicks.   Perhaps I'd love this
band if they'd gag the vocalist.

    Send flames to: mailto:pucker-up@the-south-end.com

    How did you like the subject?   I'm wondering if Richard Simmons
would survive Metropolis.

    --
AL...     The Ytse-Progtologist

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heard of Rottweilers is giving off"  --Author would prefer to remain anonymous

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:00:57 +0100
From: Pieter.Serruys@hae.hydro.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Guitar heroes
Message-ID: <412566C7.003C7F1D.00@osla28smtp.hda.hydro.com>

    hi everybody

    saw some people posting their favorite guitar players and just to annoy
everybody i thought i'd do the same

    john petrucci (of course), eric johnson (the sound), frank zappa (the
originality), steve vai (the stuntman), jimmy page (please don't flame me
on this, but i like his riffs - did anyone ever see him live, cause i'm
going next week )

    satriani used to be in there, but i didn't like crystal planet.

    pieter

    ' Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow ' - FZ

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:10:55 -0500
From: "markinator" <oubobcat@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT 1997 Christmas CD
Message-ID: <003c01be1875$0b1ad260$35420cc0@mwood.arl.mil>

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    Thanks
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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:42:46 -0500
From: Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: friends death
Message-ID: <199811251340.IAA24866@promail1.ee.net>

    Hi Folks,

    It's been forever since I've posted, but this is important.

    I don't want to bring anyone down, but I wanted to make a post
for my close friend - Don Robinson - who died Monday of a severe
asthma attack.

    Don was a huge Dream Theater fan, and being a drummer he was a major fan of 
Mike Portnoy. I've included a picture from an important moment
with Mike on a memorial site I've created for Don at:

    http://www.dhpc.com/donski/

    There's no need to start a thread on this, but if you have time please
feel free to visit the site.

    Thanks everyone, and remember - life is too short, take a minute today
to call someone you love.
Dave Hatlee

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    Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:41:50 +0200
From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Various ramblings...
Message-ID: <199811251348.PAA01436@elf.dlc.fi>

    ..and a lot of them

    Brian Hayden:
>This takes the award for the single most ignorant, pigheaded statement
>I've ever heard on the 'jam! What with current characters like MaX and

    >"Empty Tremor blowjob boy" aka ARash Onnamyassa, past flamebait faves 
>such as George Farber and Hazex, and immortal intelligences such as
>Clark Abel, that's quite an accomplishment.
Ah, the subtle irony in this message of yours! Gotta love it. This is
just the reason why I love the 'Jam. People always respect other's
opinions and never rush into hasty statements.

    Chuck D sayz:
>Do all drummers have to be impressing? I bet at least half of you prog
>drummers out there freak out when they're asked to lay down a solid
4/4...
Possibly...

    >Maybe that's why most of you guys don't appreciate Metallica anymore.
I'm having difficulties to understand you right now. Just what do Lars
Ulrich and a SOLID 4/4 have in common? Nothing, IMA. But I think that
it doesn't matter anyway. I don't now a one single person who has
gotten into Metallica because of Lars' playing, so it shouldn't be a
reason to turn away from their music.

    Yngwie Ptacek:
>     What would it take to shock you all?
It wouldn't be as fun if we knew it, would it?

    >Maybe some really educated jazzers can be converted into prog metal
Or maybe they could do some classical music. And rock. Imagine
something with rock/prog guitars, some jazz and some of Liszt's
nineteenthtuplets. Or, or maybe musicians with classic education could
do jazz, or even metal. Yeah, that would kick ass.

    Younis Hilal:
>>Hmm...
>>I've been very bored with the prog scene lately <blah blah>
>>Anyone else had this experience?
> I think you're just maturing as a listener
Well, I think his musical tastes are changing. It happens sometimes.
According to your mail you've had the same experience a couple of
times. IMA when speaking of such a subjective thing as music it's
little weird to say someone's preferences are more mature. Like, have
you ever heard yourself saying "I eat more mature food than you do"?
And this movement from top40 to metal to prog to prog-metal to prog to
fusion to trad. jazz isn't inevitable. As some of my friends I've had
the same experience to some extent, but many people haven't. Are they
unsuccesful in the quest for The Real Music? Are they incompetent
listeners? I'd say no.

    >I suspect that prog will eventually die for most of the ppl on this
list.
>I figure it's just human nature.
Actually i'm amazed/amused by this "now I listen to prog but soon I'll
get tired of it and move on to jazz" way of thinking. Maybe I'm
exaggerating but this seemed to be the basic idea of your mail.

    >I have heard some KC, and it strikes me as slow, plodding music
Have you tried Thrak or Discipline. Outstanding records IMA. They do
some insane things, far from boring. And if these do nothing to you,
you could try Lizard, great, or Larks' Tongues in Aspic, groovy.

    And about this less is more thing, it totally depends on music. What a
drummer or any person in any band should do is to play stuff that
serves the music. Would you like Metropolis if Portnoy played a
constant 4/4 beat over it? Would less be more even then? Since music is
subjective matter maybe you would like it. I wouldn't. And saying "play
less" isn't the same as "playing simple". If Vinnie Colaiuta played
4/4, eights with hi-hat, bassdrum on first and third, snare on second
and fourth and nothing more it still wouldn't be simple. It would be
damn groovy.
time to move on...

    Bafu Vai:
>Varttina hails from Finland, but they're nothing like the other
>Finnish groups mentioned on this digest...
Very true. But not necessarily a positive thing. For those who don't
know them (majority of you, I guess) they play Finnish neo-folk music
(no, it doesn't have any chromatic runs or fast guitar licks in A
minor). Not my cup of wildhoney, but if you like it I can recommend a
band called Hedningarna. It has members from at least Finland and
Sweden, possibly from other Scandinavian countries and it rocks...
umm... folks... well, you know what I mean.

    Phil Carter:
>Finally, for a more metallic feel, grab up Fates
>Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray".
Already did :) A great disc.

    Joe DeAngelo inquired:
>Here's question number TWO:  Are the above bands (3rd and the Mortal,
In
>the Woods, etc.) at all like Therion?
>If not, what are they like?
Can't say. I haven't heard Therion yet but The 3rd and the Mortal is a
great band from Norway. I own their latest (?) CD In This Room and it's
"a must have". The music is hard to describe, but it's experimental
music with a female vocalist, eerie guitars, ambient-ish synths and
samples, loops etc. IMA It's best tracks are So Pure, Stream, Harvest,
Did You, Hollow and Sleep. Their earlier CD Painting on Glass is in the
same vein. Other releases have more metallic feel and are not as
experimental as these. But if you wish to find beautiful, moody music
you can't go wrong with this band.
In the Woods (also Norwegian) has two records out: Heart of the Ages
and Omnio. HotA is heavy, almost black metal (I'm sure Roger would like
it) with both clean and shrieking vocals, but it has it's peaceful
moments. It's not everyone's cup of tea and it's been ages since I last
listened to it because Omnio is much better. Better production, no
shrieks, add female vocalist, sorrowful songs and lyrics, less
distortion on guitars. Also a must have.

    Now I'd like to thank all of you who sent recommendations to me. These
CDs that I'm now forced to buy will propably Take Away My Pay for a
while. (you don't see a smiley because I don't feel like smiling, and
it wasn't very funny, anyway.)

    Did I mention that I hate sleet much more than snow?
Bye

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