YTSEJAM Digest 4457
Today's Topics:
1) Flamenco guitars and something to make Ptacek's hair stand on end.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) RE: Dixie Dregs
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
3) Re: Jazz and stuff
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
4) Re: METAL EDGE READER'S POLL!!!
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
5) Dixie Dregs/Toad's Place Info
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
6) random thoughts
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
7) Re: METAL EDGE READER'S POLL!!!
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
8) Less is more
by "-=Dennis Leeflang=-" <dl@xs4all.nl>
9) Me posting / Less is more...
by "-=Dennis Leeflang=-" <dl@xs4all.nl>
10) Re: Hedningarna
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
11) Re: David Rosenthal on ACOS
by Rob en Ellen Meijer <robellen@dds.nl>
12) Fwd: LTE Latest!!!!
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
13) Re: random thoughts
by eckie@asu.edu
14) RE: Dixie Dregs
by eckie@asu.edu
15) You might have noticed...
by "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:16:00 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Flamenco guitars and something to make Ptacek's hair stand on end.
Message-ID: <000201be18a5$aedad500$0201010a@chuck>
>unlike that Otmar guy, but he's much more interesting. He claims to have
>studied flamenco, but I'm almost POSITIVE he's using a plectrum. Satch's
That's what I thought, too. Anyone who's seen him live have a comment on
this? Phil?
Flamenco guitars rule. I've only been given the opportunity to witness one
such player in action: Virginia Luque. Holy shit. This chick shreds as
fast as Petrucci without a pick. heheh. Any guitarists who have an
opportunity to go see her play, I recommend do so even if you don't like
classical/spanish guitar. I left the auditorium with soaked pants when she
was done. I wish we got more acts like that around here.
(starts harping about how much Craig Chaquico kicks ass) <j/k> Chris! :)
I still like the dude, though, even if most of his songs sound the same. :P
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:07 -0700 (MST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Dixie Dregs Message-ID: <19981125191853.OTYW5890@localHost>
"Robert O'Doherty" Wrote:
>Hello People, > >What can anyone tell me about The Dixie Dregs? I know that 1) It's 70's >instrumental rock and 2) Our good friend Jorden Rudess was on Keyboard >Duties. > >Does it rock or is it very tame in comparison to LTE and the like?
Actually back in the 70's J.R. did not play with them, it was T. Lavitz (who is a kick ass Keyboardist) J.R. has only played with them in the last few years, after some of them got back together. Actually their music covers many styles ie: Rock , Jazz, Country, Bluegrass and classical. Everything was written by Steve Morse the founder and guitarist. I haven't really listened to their newest stuff but had all their "old" stuff and it was awesome. Yes for the most part it was "tame" compared to LTE.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:18:47 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Jazz and stuff Message-ID: <4.1.19981125141402.00938ed0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Madsman remarked: > Phil, I like the discs you mentioned, but I wouldn't consider any of >them to be really jazz. [Jesse] Cook is a latin new age guitarist, not >entirely unlike that Otmar guy, but he's much more interesting. He claims >to have studied flamenco, but I'm almost POSITIVE he's using a plectrum.
I knew I shouldn't have tried to beat Madsman to this one. Hell, his *life* is studying jazz nowadays. :)
Brace yourself: Most of what Jesse plays is pure fingers (no plectrum visible). I saw him from the front row for a two-hour show last month and can verify that it is almost 90% pickless.
Re: the jazz thing: okay, so maybe it's not pure jazz, but it has jazzy elements. Jesse classifies his music as "Rumba Flamenco Worldbeat Jazz Pop" for those of you who aren't familiar with his work. :)
ta, Phil
================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: METAL EDGE READER'S POLL!!! Message-ID: <19981125192742.20728.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> put down her foot and told someone off:
> No one is going to tell me who to vote for, regardless of > what mailing list I'm reading.
Yes we can! You WILL vote for Russel Allen as best vocalist! ;o)
my $.01, BH
P.S. You can still keep the picture of Roy Khan up in your room though...
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:27:59 -0500 From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dixie Dregs/Toad's Place Info Message-ID: <365C5A3F.6124@idt.net>
> Subject: Dixie Dregs ??? > Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D733FE37D@skylight.mvt.ie> > > Hello People, > > What can anyone tell me about The Dixie Dregs? I know that 1) It's 70's > instrumental rock and 2) Our good friend Jorden Rudess was on Keyboard > Duties. > > Does it rock or is it very tame in comparison to LTE and the like? > > Also, is Age of Impact very similar to Magellan's style of music. I have > bought 2 Magellan CDs and hated them both so I would prefer to sidestep AOI > if it's another trip into Trent Gardners Insanity Lair. > > Take Care, > > Rob.
Rob, The Dregs RULE, and Rudess only played with them for the reunion tour, normally the duties were handled by T. Lavitz, Mark Parrish or Steve Davidowski. If you like LTE, you'll like The Dregs, all instrumental (except for 2 tracks on Industry Standard) Kick-ASS fusion of Rock, Bluegrass and Jazz. One of the greatest overlooked bands of the century, I'm glad that after 23 years of being a recorded musician that Steve Morse is finally getting some recognition, even if it IS as a member of Deep Purple..... I called Toad's Place and talked to some complete idiot, who had no idea that Thanksgiving was tomorrow, and was informed that DT tickets are going on sale on Friday. I know the box office opens at 11AM. If anyone wants to go but can't get to the box office (I was told that Strawberries is NOT handling this, but who knows if that's true), give me a holler and I'll pick you up a ticket. Don't EVERYONE E-Mail me, I'm limiting it to 2 or 3 people since my last name is DiBella, not Rockerfeller.
Thanks, John DiBella President/Xanadu Records http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html
Dream Theater Tourdate Archive http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 98 12:05:42 -0800 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: random thoughts Message-ID: <199811252005.MAA12876@network-services.uoregon.edu>
.. Rod Morgenstein (drummer extraordinaire of the Dixie Dregs and the Rudess/Morgenstein Project) was the drummer for Winger. Winger. This I was not aware of. Perhaps, if we ask nicely, he and Rudess will cover "Seventeen" when they tour again. .. Listening to Different Stages...I finally realized that Geddy sings "in the fish-eye lens" in Limelight. I'd never looked at the lyrics in the liner notes, and always assumed (and wondered why) that he was singing "in the fish islands." On a similar note, I'd always assumed that James Labrie sang "I feel elated; I feel depressed; sex is death. Death is sex." in Voices. However, listening to OiaL has revealed the true lyrics to be "Aaah eeel eeeated, Aah eel essessed..." (My sense of humor is running rampant. Labrie is great, and I enjoy his performance on OiaL) .. The production team for the next Dream Theater album should include Butch Vig and Mr. Doctor... .. Appending my previous statement about Labrie. Also enjoy his between-song/introducing band member statements. "Mike Portnoy on Druuummmsss!!" .. Alex Lifeson's next "Victor" project will include Edwin (formerly from I Mother Earth) and Sarah Mclachlan. Perhaps it will get heavy airplay.
All right, I'm done.
Andrew dreamline@irc.dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:19:38 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: METAL EDGE READER'S POLL!!! Message-ID: <365C665A.43468052@pacbell.net>
Brian Hansen wrote: > > P.S. You can still keep the picture of Roy Khan up in your room > though...
Right next to my picture of you, babe. ;o)
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://www.dreamt.org/jessie _______________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:18:51 +0100 From: "-=Dennis Leeflang=-" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Less is more Message-ID: <003001be18b3$2edcfdc0$9a836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Steve Z wrote:
>..my ass.
>"Less is more" is what people who suck say.
Well... You said it..... Stop being so childish, people.... Let's take each other a bit more seriously ok? D.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:46:36 +0100 From: "-=Dennis Leeflang=-" <dl@xs4all.nl> To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Me posting / Less is more... Message-ID: <004501be18b4$b2fa98a0$9a836dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Hey there Jammanoids....
I was just wondering..... It seems that every time I post a reaction to someone else's post, I always start a discussion.... Is there anything you would like me to react to? Hehehe :)
Also I would like to thank my friends Vlad, Brian, Phil, -rahul ananda and Jason for their support in the "Less Is More" thing.... Finally I found some guys one here that really know what (making) good music is about, rather than people attacking me all the time :)....
BTW... Is Mosh on vacation or something? Hehehe.. No, seriously.. I accidentally got on his homepage the other day... I have to admit... It rulez....
Tada!
D.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:13:45 -0500 From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Hedningarna Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981125211345.00e87e40@artist-shop.com>
At 10:52 AM 11/25/98 -0800, Raivo wrote: > >]From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi> > >> my cup of wildhoney, but if you like it I can recommend a band called >> Hedningarna. It has members from at least Finland and Sweden, possibly >> from other Scandinavian countries and it rocks... umm... folks... well, > >Whoa! This is the very first time I've seen Hedningarna mentioned >_anywhere_ near this forum (to be honest, I haven't yet seen anyone who >knows them, save local folk listeners), and I must confess I didn't even >expect to see them mentioned at all. And! I must second what you said. >Hedningarna rocks so much that it can't be described.
I have to back up these statements (and like Raivo, I certainly never expected to see Hedningarna mentioned in this forum!). Earlier this year the progressive label ESD joined The Artist Shop. In the course of our discussions they said, "Oh, by the way, we've got these other two labels, Northside and Omnium, that we'd like you to check out. Omnium is world music and Northside is Scandinavian roots music." To be honest, those rather plain descriptions didn't excite me all that much. I mean, what does Scandinavian roots music conjure up for you? But I figured it couldn't hurt to give them a listen.
So anyway, this batch of Northside promos they sent me had a couple CD's from Hedningarna, one of which is called "Tra," Swedish for "Wood." The booklet's cover has this picture of some old log with metal spikes coming out of it - a particularly nasty looking device! When I put the CD on, I could swear I'd been hit by a bolt of lightening! The music was definitely giving me a very strong command to TURN IT UP, which I did immediately! Let me tell you, folks, THIS AIN'T ABBA! More like Vikings if you ask me! While Hedningarna definitely have deep roots in Scandinavian folk music, that description falls so short. This is progressive as all hell and unlike anything I've ever heard before. And does it rock? There is real intense rocking going on here! On a level of pure emotional intensity, I would rank it up there with groups like DT, Yes, Led Zeppelin.
You know how some music just takes control of your body and forces you to move? It could be to dance, to sing, or to pull out that old air guitar (or any other air instruments you've got hanging around). This album does that to me. I simply can't sit still while I'm playing it. This album has definitely ended up on my top ten for 1998! Even just talking about it here, I couldn't help but put in on again! Excuse me, but it's time for me to MOOOOOOVE! If anyone would like to check out a couple Hedningarna soundbites, I've got them up at <http://www.artist-shop.com/esd/index.htm#northside>.
Gary
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:20:44 +0100 From: Rob en Ellen Meijer <robellen@dds.nl> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: David Rosenthal on ACOS Message-ID: <365C74AC.6EC28AF8@dds.nl>
Hi everyone,
Yes, it is mentioned on the inlay : Additonal keyboard programming by David Rosenthal , ok it is in a very small print..........at the bottom...........it almost drops from the inlay......, but it is there! The man is an awesome keyboard player, I saw and met (a very friendly person he is!) him in 1983 when he was in Rainbow and did a tour in England.
Regards,
Rob
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:32:47 PST From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Fwd: LTE Latest!!!! Message-ID: <19981125213248.3328.qmail@hotmail.com>
I don't know if this got through already (too many jams to catch up on), but if you haven't seen this yet I thought you might like to hear.
-maX
>From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk >Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:17:02 +0000 >Subject: LTE Latest!!!! >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Cc: maxverran@hotmail.com > >maX > >Please could you forward this to the YTSEJAM if my post doesn't get >through. I'm sure they won't mind getting this twice. > >Thanks > >Nikki > >************************************************** > >ROAD DIARY UPDATE - Nov. 22, Millbrook NY. - Liquid Tension repairs it's leak. > >We're back in the studio, finishing the album we started last month. >JohnPetrucci's baby is doing fine, and the hiatus the baby urged on >this project seems to have been worthwhile - my fingers are certainly >nimbler now, after some Crimson touring. As I write this, at midnight, >the other guys are still in the studio - having taken barely a break >all day from writing and learning the newest LTE epic. Their endurance >amazes me. Sometime this week I've got to get some practice time in for >the upcoming BLUE tour - those pieces are different than these, but >still demanding for the Stick player! > >There's a new feature here at Millbrook Sound; Paul, the owner, has >assembled many of his vintage guitar amp tops in the control room, so >guitar players can audition each of them while overdubbing to a track. >Very neat... might even replace the toilet paper here as the best >feature of the studio! oh oh ... got to get back in there. > >From Tony Levin's Website http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm > > > > > > >
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:35:27 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: random thoughts Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981125142400.25178B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
> Rod Morgenstein (drummer extraordinaire of the Dixie Dregs and the > Rudess/Morgenstein Project) was the drummer for Winger. Winger. This I > was not aware of. Perhaps, if we ask nicely, he and Rudess will cover > "Seventeen" when they tour again.
Winger was...an unexplainable accident. Tons of ability and talent. Even more cheese. :) On the other side of the rope, I'd take Velveeta metal over soybean alternative ANY DAY OF THE WEEK PAL! Give me back my Metal T V :(
> "in the fish islands." On a similar note, I'd always assumed that James > Labrie sang "I feel elated; I feel depressed; sex is death. Death is > sex." in Voices. However, listening to OiaL has revealed the true lyrics > to be "Aaah eeel eeeated, Aah eel essessed..." (My sense of humor is > running rampant. Labrie is great, and I enjoy his performance on OiaL)
Nah, listen more closely. The lyrics are posted on UACM too I believe; "I FEEL THE LEG! I FEEL THE BREAST! Sex is DEEEEAAATH, Death is SEXXX...." And you can tell your step father I said so.
> Appending my previous statement about Labrie. Also enjoy his > between-song/introducing band member statements. "Mike Portnoy on > Druuummmsss!!"
I think by far my favorite Jamesism is probably the most recurrent one (aside from skipping around behind JP with the mic stand, how could you not like that?):
"AWWIGHT PEEPOOOH! LET'S SEE THOSE HANDS IN THE AIR! YOU'RE FIGHTING THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD, and no one can save you this time, COME OWN! Close your eyes COME OUN and you'll COME OUN find COME OUN all you need in your mieeeeeeend COME OUN!"
Happy Turkey Day everybody! And remember what this holiday stands for. Peace, love, and good happiness stuff all propetuated by the acceptance of corn seeds and harmony between the prog bands and the korn bands back in 1754 and a half.
Still waiting for VH1 to get their heads outta their asses and do a "Behind the Music" with Dream Theater....
~Eckie decides he should get back to work....
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:42:42 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Dixie Dregs Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981125143751.25178C-100000@general3.asu.edu>
On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, Edwin Voras wrote:
> many styles ie: Rock , Jazz, Country, Bluegrass and classical. Everything > was written by Steve Morse the founder and guitarist. I haven't really listened > to their newest stuff but had all their "old" stuff and it was awesome. > Yes for the most part it was "tame" compared to LTE.
Tame ain't the word for comparison. I have the best of CD for the Dregs (Divided We Stand) and I bought that way after i purchased LTE...
The Dregs is like a really sweet glass of lemonade with extra sugar and a fresh lemon hanging off the rim of your glass.
Whereas LTE is a mixture of alcohol, Xtasy, acid, Kool Aid and extra pickle juice all lit on fire in a tie-dyed gauntlet. Prog Flambe!
~Eckie the pirate says, "Save Water, Drink more Prog Grog! Blarrrrgh..."
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:26:31 +0200 From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: You might have noticed... Message-ID: <199811252144.XAA16653@elf.dlc.fi>
..That I've had way too much free time today. Here we go again.
Raivo Hool: >Whoa! This is the very first time I've seen Hedningarna mentioned >_anywhere_ near this forum (to be honest, I haven't yet seen anyone who >knows them, save local folk listeners), and I must confess I didn't even >expect to see them mentioned at all. And! I must second what you said. >Hedningarna rocks so much that it can't be described. Yah. Great band. I had a chance to see them live last year (or was it last spring). And you know what? I didn't go there because I couldn't get anyone to come with me! Stupid me! Now I'm sad <sob>. If you see them live don't tell me about it. And even if you do don't say they were good.
Infernal Isaac: >If you're looking for jazzy prog it's nothing new.. UK's self titled >release in 78 consisted of Allen Holdsworth, Bruford, John Wetton, and >Eddie Jobson all of whom i'm sure we all agree are some of the jazziest >and most progressive players ever. UK was orriginally slated to be a >King Crimson reunion till Fripp backed out. So Allen Holdsworth joined >up. Also, much of what bands like Yes and Frank Zappa did had very >jazzy overtones. I guess you just haven't been looking in the right >places :) You said here just what I was waiting for. My goal was to show that these thing have been done before. I had Zappa in mind when I wrote about jazz+prog+nineteenthtuplets but according to what I've heard of UK it serves the same purpose. Prog bands like KC have some of jazz influences and early Yes had VERY strong classical feel. Metallers have always ripped off classical and now along with Apocalyptica and Waltari's Death Metal Symphony (Yeah! Yeah! Die! Die!) it's even more obvious. Mixing up genres doesn't necessarily produce anything new. Usually if you think you've got a new idea that's "your thing" look around and you'll see that it's also many other bands' thing. Like science music is all about collective course of development. Add something from here and there, rip off that guy on the left, mix up some own ideas and voila. But if you don't figure it out someone else eventually will.
>Oh yeah.. you might have heard of this band too.. they're kinda low key >but great prog all the same.. the name's DREAM THEATER, and all the >members excluding Kevin James LeBrie studdied at the Berklee School of >Music in Boston which is one of the most prestigious jazz schools in the >world. needless to say these guys have plenty of classical and jazz >oriented training. Cool! Do they have any records out yet? ;)
>don't forget "In the Wake of Poseidon" and "Red".. awesome albums!! >Inferno Feetal's Gizz! I did forget ItWoP. Red I haven't heard. BTW funny that you chose Inferno as your nickname. I just started reading it.
Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes: >Just picking a few tunes from Anglagard >King crimson or gentle giant only to name a few tunes >you can get the same structures. Funny. I was going to say something like that they aren't a very good band. Then I decided to reconsider, put the CD in the player and changed my mind. They are a good band but they still have some stuff I don't care for and songs that they've totally ruined IMA by putting there solos that just don't fit, like in Nothing At All.
Ice Queen: >Perhaps I should change my name to Sticky Lemons? Or perhaps Icky Melons? :)
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