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Today's Topics:

  1) Drummers / FlexAble
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
  2) Prog keyboard help
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
  3) re: :)
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
  4) Bedtime for little kiddies
by "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
  5) Oops!!
by "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
  6) Leger de Main - The Concept of Our Reality
by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
  7) re: friends death
by "Test" <test@som.com>
  8) Yes - Angkor Wat
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
  9) Happy GobbleDaY!
by pat@vsjuab.org
10) Happy GobbleDaY!
by pat@vsjuab.org
11) Cynic/Echosilence
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
12) Re: Therion etc.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
13) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?gg=3A_Fwd=3A__The_Clich=E9s_of_Progressive_R?=
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:45:21 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Drummers / FlexAble
Message-ID: <365C5E51.94632082@mol.com.mk>

> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:40:09 +0100
> From: "Dennis Leeflang" <dl@xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: Drummers...? Huh
>
> CyberDuke wrote: <<<Dennis IS the DRUM-MAN!>>>
>
> <blush>...... Thanks....
>
> D.

Not you damn it! :)))

> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:47:06 -0200
> From: "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" <fox@urbi.com.br>
> Subject: new steve vai
>
> I heard something about. It's the re-release of Steve's 1st. album,
> Flexable. It's called Flexable Leftovers. But i don't know if will
> this come with new tracks....

Well according the title it's obvious that the new tracks will be The
Leftovers (4 songs I think) :)

Does anyone knows what will be the prize of this a-la Zappa piece of
art?!?

> From: "Chris Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
> Subject: Phil Collins
>
> Genesis, Brand X not exactly a comparison is it. Two very different bands.

I was reffering to Phil drumming. And about THAT, Brand X is pretty good
comparison.

> From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
>
> As far as Phil goes, he does some pretty challenging
> figures on Nuclear Burn by Brand X)

There, I knew I was right! ;)

> After all, Genesis and Brand X are not NEARLY as
> busy note-wise as DT.

Errr...well now, I don't know what Brand X stuff you heard, but I have
all and I think they're pretty busy note-wise. Maybe not to the extent
of Metropolis solo but... who says that's the established definition of
busy note-wise stuff anyway?
And it's not the point to measure WHO's doing more notes and rhythm
changes per second.
Whatever, "Nuclear Burns" or "Disco Suicide" are 2 awesome songs, at it
will remain as such even if someone beat Mr. Portnoy or Petrucci in busy
note-wise stuff! :)

> "Impressing" doesn't necessarily mean "technically impressing."
> John Bonham was an impressive drummer...but hardly the technically
> impressing type

Agreed! Woohoo, Moby Dick rules!!! :)

Ancient Zep fan

CyberDuke
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:24:54 -0600
From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Prog keyboard help
Message-ID: <006b01be18c2$6e3f0b20$27c72fd8@brandon>

I have a Kurzweil K2000 keyboard and trying to get the best "prog" sounds
for it. I already have the B3 and Mellotron sounds. But I was wondering if
any keyboardists on the list can help me figure out how to get the "Korg"
type Kevin Moore and Derek type sounds. Anybody know any good CD-Roms?

Also, I have a bunch of Kurzweil CDs, and a few Akai CDs. If anyone is
interested, I would love to hear from keyboard players interested in trading
sounds, patches, and CDs. Please email me at bvaughn@snowhill.com and I'll
send you a list of what I have.

Thanks for any advice,

Brandon Vaughn
bvaughn@snowhill.com

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:32:30 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: :)
Message-ID: <19981125223230.7963.qmail@hotmail.com>

icq queen,
I gotta tell ya, you're the first person ever to assosiate "Inferno"
with Dante, which was my inspiration for the handle back when i read it
in the 8th grade!!!.. very intuitive of you... everyone else just thinks
i play doom to much :)..

>Feetal's Gizz! I did forget ItWoP. Red I haven't heard. BTW funny >that
you chose Inferno as your nickname. I just started reading it.

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:59:46 +0200
From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bedtime for little kiddies
Message-ID: <199811252305.BAA28061@elf.dlc.fi>

Last one today. Promise.

Brian Hansen:
> Yes we can! You WILL vote for Russel Allen as best vocalist! ;o)
And Tre Cool as best drummer!

Dennis "Chuck" Leeflang:
>Stop being so childish, people.... Let's take each other a bit more
>seriously ok?
I say let's not. People who take themselves seriously are often boring and
sometimes dangerous. Note: This doesn't mean I'm encouraging you to be rude
to each other or hurt someone intentionally.

>I was just wondering..... It seems that every time I post a reaction to
>someone else's post, I always start a discussion....
As it should be. Rejoice.

James LaBrie:
>"AWWIGHT PEEPOOOH! LET'S SEE THOSE HANDS IN THE AIR! YOU'RE FIGHTING THE
>WEIGHT OF THE WORLD, and no one can save you this time, COME OWN! Close
>your eyes COME OUN and you'll COME OUN find COME OUN all you need in your
>mieeeeeeend COME OUN!"
LOL! I had completely forgotten how amusing rock singers can be!

Wackie:
>Happy Turkey Day everybody! And remember what this holiday stands for.
>Peace, love, and good happiness stuff all propetuated by the acceptance of
>corn seeds and harmony between the prog bands and the korn bands back in
>1754 and a half.
Nah. You know it's just greasy kids stuff.

Hmmm. I was quite pleasantly suprised when I found out that at least three
people on 'Jam have heard about Hedningarna. Not a bad ratio considering
that there are only thousands of people on the list.
Now it's time to go to bed. I have a Swedish test tomorrow that I will fail
because I've been writing messages all day. Because of you, that is. YOU
PEOPLE DRIVE ME CRAZY! I BLAME THE SOCIETY!
Bye

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| Those who can count and those who can't. |
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:58:39
From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
To: angra@makelist.com, ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Oops!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19981125195839.2ef7410e@pop.netaddress.com>

Oh!, I forgot to make a simply tribute to one of the best singers in the
history: FREDDIE MERCURY. Yeah, i know that yesterday was THE day to make
it, but better make it, before forgive it.
That's all... and like Shadow Gallery says: 'long live Freddie Mercury'.

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:22 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Leger de Main - The Concept of Our Reality
Message-ID: <199811252322.pAHl@memo-smtp.sto.sema.se>

--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 98-11-26 00.22

LEGER DE MAIN - The Concept of Our Reality USA
Rating: * * * * * 1995
                                            PMM
                                            PMM-0100
                                            Total Time: 45:08

To Live The Truth 8:28
Crystal Fortune 5:45
Immobile Time 4:02
Enter quietly 19:50
Distorted Pictures 7:01

Brett Rodler (drums), Chris Rodler (guitar, bass, keys) and
Melissa Blair (vocals)

This is the debut CD from ex-Drama members Chris and Brett Rodler,
together with the excellent female vocalist Melissa Blair. Chris
and Brett are doing the music while Melissa is writing the lyrics.

This is highly technical progressive rock/metal that certainly
will please fans of Dream Theater, Jethro Tull, King Crimson,
Marillion, Rush and UK, as it's very complex and intricate with
many mood shifts.

Although every track is almost equally good, the track "Enter
Quietly" stands out a little bit more with its 19:50 minutes. On
this track the musicians get a good chance to really show off.

I would like to recommend this CD as it contains some of the best
progressive music I've heard recently with excellent musicianship
throughout the entire album.

Leger de Main have recently released their second CD entitled
"Second First Impression", that is said to me equally good to "The
Concept of Reality".

Available from:

Progressive Music Management
6802 Helena Dr.
Erie, PA 16510
USA

E-mail- lenrod@aol.com

-Reviewed by Greger Ronnqvist-

Email: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:30:21 -0600
From: "Test" <test@som.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: friends death
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981125233021.008dd9e0@mail.som.com>

My condolences to you and your friend Don's family.

May he rest in peace!!

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:03:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Yes - Angkor Wat
Message-ID: <19981126000345.10279.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>

Hey all,

Anyone out there know where to find a translation of the Cambodian
poetry at the end of the Yes song "Angkor Wat"?

hasta, BH

NP - Yes - Union (What else?)

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:02:28 -0500
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To: pat@vsjuab.org
Subject: Happy GobbleDaY!
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:12:22 -0500
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:36:39 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Cynic/Echosilence
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811252357340.5636-100000@jaca>

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:

> and Younis Hilal said:
> > Often, I have to keep an eye out
> > for metal musicians who suddenly decide they wanna do some jazz, or
> > jazz artists who get bitten by the metal bug. (Note: Speaking of "jazz
> > metal", Rogerio Brito mentioned a band called Echosilence a few digests back.
> > Cynic fans, do yourself a favor and check them out:

I'd like to thank Younis, for reposting what I've said. I really
wish this Echosilence band got some more airplay, because I think that
they deserve their place in the sun.

> This sounds pretty interesting to me. Could somebody suggest some bands
> in this jazz-metal vein to me. Preferably ones with clean vocals though
> (I've heard Cynic has death-vox, so I don't think I'd like them).

Yes, Joe, if you have problems with the death vocals, then you
might have some problems with Cynic (the vocals on "Focus", which btw is
their only album, aren't only death metalish -- there are some
"electronic" vocals, and some female vocals).

I'm not sure if those electronic vocals were generated through a
vox box (as I've been told), but, IMO, they were the hardest part to get
past when I listened to Cynic (I really didn't have any problems with
death metal vocals, because I'm more or less used to them).

Ok. Enough comments on Cynic. I'll be putting some reviews on my
homepage when I'm on holidays and Cynic's "Focus" will be one of these.

Now, if you'd like to experience some jazz-metal without death
metal vocals, then you should really get the 4 MP3 files from Echosilence.
"Why?", I hear you cry in despair.

Well, first, it's really a band fusing some interesting metal with
some elements from jazz (and the drumming isn't your constant, boring
double bass).

Second, all the tracks are instrumental (if you ignore some
samples on one of the songs) and there are no vocals to worry about. The
guitar does the "vocal" lines.

Third and perhaps the more interesting information is that this is
the "demo tape" of the band, so this is your opportunity of hearing what
they sound like without the hand of a producer, changing the mind of the
artists. It contains their ideas as it was meant to be. And, of course,
the demo was released to the Internet (which is not very common, IMO).
(The ULR is: <http://www.estnet.ee/karu/cgi-bin/echoindex.cgi>).

I hope that these comments make you at least a bit interested in
what this new band is producing, since they deserve to be signed by a
lable (perhaps, by Candlelight Records, which is a label that gives their
artists enough creative freedom -- but I don't know if they're only a
death/black metal kind of label).

Hope this helps, Roger...

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:45:51 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Therion etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811260038430.6126-100000@jaca>
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> Phil Carter said:
> > Dunno about Neil, but if you haven't already gotten everything by Therion
> > (excellent dark metal with a full choir and orchestra, plus great vocals)
> > then you must do so now; "Theli" and "Vovin" are both must-haves. 
> 
> First of all..... I totally agree with Phil here about Therion.  Both
> "Theli" and "Vovin" are really fantastic (especially "Theli").  To that
> list I'd also add "A'Arab Zaraq Lucid Dreaming", it's also rather good -
> it contains a few Therion originals, plus some cover songs (some Maiden
> and Priest among others), plus a few straight classical pieces (no
> guitar/drums/bass).
	Well, Therion's "Theli" is very good, IMO. The production isn't
very good, but they guys didn't have much money -- so it's the best that
was possible.
	BTW, thank you Ernesto Schnack for getting me into Therion.
	BTW #2, isn't it weird that Dan Swano's name is in almost every
album of a band that's related to death metal?
 > 
> Here's question number TWO:  Are the above bands (3rd and the Mortal, In
> the Woods, etc.) at all like Therion?
> If not, what are they like?
	I don't know anything about The Third and the Mortal, besides the
songs present on their site, but one of them is interesting and the other
one is just ok, IMO.
	Reviews on their albums are welcome, from anybody knowledgeable
about this band.
	And the address is: <http://www.nvg.unit.no/~thomasr/mortal/>.
> NP:  Metallica "Am I Evil?" from Garage Inc.   :-D
	Is it out yet? Reviews, please? Perhaps on some homepage, to avoid
the nasty things that might happen if Metallica gets mentioned here
again...
	[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:06:35 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?gg=3A_Fwd=3A__The_Clich=E9s_of_Progressive_R?=
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9811260105190.6126-100000@jaca>
=09Haha! I thought that this was pretty funny to see on the GG list,
just after the thread on "stagnation" of progressive music appearing
there. Obviously, the comments were made about progressive rock, but they
also apply to progressive metal. :-)
=09Have fun, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:16:28 -0700
]From: Chris K Zetterholm <z-man22@juno.com>
To: on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu
Subject: gg: Fwd:  The Clich=E9s of Progressive Rock
I hadn't seen this come around this way yet, but I'm sure many of you may
even s*bscribe to that particular newsgroup.  Passed on to me by another
prog head in Sweden (I know his dad is a big GG fan), Nils Erichson.
Z-man
Bullseye! A great laugh!
--=20
Nils Erichson / d97nix@dtek.chalmers.se /
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d97nix
"Kobaia is evil in a highly intense frightening kind of armageddon way,
about
the total destruction of mundane and facile patterns of existence. Ork is
evil
in a half-assed jazz-fusion kind of way." - Dave Lynch,
rec.music.progressive
]From: progbear@aol.comGEORYN (Progbear)
Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive
Subject: The Clich=E9s of Progressive Rock
Hello all--
     Just a list of progressive rock clich=E9s. I've tried to have some
sort of
conceptual continuity in the groupings (hell, it's about *prog*, isn't
it?).
Feel free to add to the list:
 MUSICAL CLICH=C9S:
 1. Ascending or descending triplets or sixteenth-notes played on
synthesizer
or organ.
 2. Any of the following sound-effects:
     a) Ocean waves, often accompanied by seagulls and foghorns.
     b) City street sounds, with lots of car-horns honking.
     c) Music box.
     d) Rushing water.
     e) Wind whispering through trees.
     f) Birdsongs, often accompanied by d) and/or e)
     g) Whale songs.
     h) Church bells
     i) Train whistles.
     j) Raspy, incomprehensible two-way radio voices.
     k) Fake record pops, clicks or scratches.
 3. Songs beginning with bright, major or major 7th chords played on a
(Hammond) organ, or sometimes with suspended 2nds or 4ths resolving to
the
tonic.
 4. Otherwise "acoustic" ballads where the organ, polysynth and/or
Mellotron
make their sole appearance in the "dramatic" final verse.
 5. Same as 4. but with electric guitar fills and a solo coda in the
"dramatic"
final verse.
 6. Rototom fills.
 7. A sudden quiet section featuring just a loud synth glissando.
 8. Descending fretless-bass glissandi.
 9. Ascending violin glissandi.
 10. A short, string-quartet intermezzo.
 11. The short, "humourous" piece either just before or just after the
big
"epic".
 12. Drum solos. Anywhere.
 13. Superfluous bass pedals in bands with a fully functioning bass
player who
plays no instruments other than bass.
 14. A clavinet which only appears during the "funky" bit.
 15. A clavinet used as a substitute for a harpsichord.
 16. A cheap electronic piano used as a substitute for a harpsichord.
 17. A brief, fake baroque section, usually with strings and harpsichord
(or
15. Or 16.)
 18. Synth warbles used for "spacy" effects.
 19. Singers affecting English accents.
 20. Singers affecting Irish (or other Celtic) accents.
 TEXT CLICH=C9S:
 1. Song-titles, lyrics or concepts based on any of the following
authors:
     a) Tolkien (saw it coming, didn't you?)
     b) C.S. Lewis
     c) E.R. Eddison
     d) Ayn Rand
     e) H.P. Lovecraft
     f) Robert Heinlein
     g) Roger Zelazny
     h) Frank Herbert
     i) Shakespeare
     j) The Bible
     k) Anyone with "Yogi" in their name that isn't a cartoon character
or
involved with baseball.
 2. Song-titles, lyrics or concepts based on a rousing D&D campaign
played by
the band members.
 3. Concept albums dealing with any of the following events:
     a) The end of the world
     b) The beginning of creation
     c) Someone overcoming the bad guys through rock & roll.
     d) A personal journey of self-discovery thinly disguised as
surrealism.
 4. Yes songs, or imitation Yes songs, containing any of the following
words:
     a) Rainbow
     b) River
     c) Mountain
     d) Sunlight
     e) Sunshine
     f) Ocean
     g) Sky (or "Skies")
     h) Eternity
     i) Morning
     j) Dawn
     k) Awakening
 VISUAL CLICH=C9S:
 1. Jesters on album covers.
 2. Album covers in the style of Roger Dean
 3. Album covers in the style of Hipgnosis
 4. Album covers in the style of Michael Whelan, or any other "fantasy"
artist
you'd care to name.
 5. Singers dressed as:
     a) Death
     b) A jester
     c) A harlequin
     d) Any animal
 6. Any band member in Renaissance Faire garb.
 7. Keyboardists wearing glitter vests. (Why?)
 8. Strap-on keyboards.
 9. Double-necked guitars used exclusively for show.
 10. Double bass drums used exclusively for show.
 11. Large gongs used exclusively for show.
 12. Dry-ice fog.
 13. Abnormally coloured stage-lighting.
 14. Slides projected onto a screen behind the band.
 15. Pretentious, dramatic readings (or poetry) between songs.
                         MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
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