YTSEJAM Digest 4464
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Quake music
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <progboy@mindless.com>
2) subjectivity, blah, blah, blah
by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
3) Metal Edge Again!!
by IceQD@aol.com
4) Scarred Records Address
by Gkras19@aol.com
5) Medeski, Martin, Wood; Jazz/Rock/Prog? (NDTC)
by Darth1@aol.com
6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4461
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
7) Hollow Years Video
by Hypermax <hypermax@win.bright.net>
8) Re: Powermad 1997 & 1998 Promo CD's?
by MTeiper@aol.com
9) re:
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
10) To anyone that has AWAKE TAB book ... and a question for
by Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
11) Once In A Livetime Australian release
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
12) Labyrinth & Eldritch (and something to Niria)
by "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
13) Re: Labyrinth & Eldritch (and something to Niria)
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
14) Vote for DT
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
15) Readers poll
by jralat@coqui.net
16) Paganini
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
17) Re: Scarred Records Address
by "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk>
18) LVS and Howe!
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
19) Re: Confirmed Dt holiday shows and stuff
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
20) SONG OF THE MILLENIUM...yeah.
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
21) Re: Classic music / Pirate CDs 'n stuff
by "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:11:02 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <progboy@mindless.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Quake music
Message-ID: <36608305.2E0270F@mindless.com>
Dale R Newberry wrote:
> I do believe it was Trent Reznor that did the music for Quake 1. I can
> only assume he did the same for Q2, but I'm not real sure. IF you do
> notice, there is a NIN logo on the boxes of nails for the nailguns in
> Quake 1.
>
> Dale R. Newberry
Yeah, he did the music for Quake I, Rob Zombie did one track off of Quake
II, while the other tracks were done by the band mentioned a while ago...
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:32:59 PST
From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: subjectivity, blah, blah, blah
Message-ID: <19981128233303.22998.qmail@hotmail.com>
>> 5. Eddie van Halen ( face it, he invented modern rock guitar )
>> 4. Joe Satriani ( 'cos whatever EVH forgot, Satch didn't )
>> 3. Jimmy Page ( ...I mean, where do you begin? )
>> 2. John Petrucci ( the perfect mix of 5, 4, and 1 )
>> 1. David Gilmour ( the sound...the phrasing...the material...)
>
>First of all, music is SUBJECTIVE, so a Top 5 is just OPENING yourself
Why is the absolute subjectivity of aesthetic value always the
starting point for any conversation about it? It seems to have achieved
the same axiomatic status as "I exist" or something. Objectivity in
aesthetics is no more odd than objectivity in ethics. Of course, most
people will retort that that is a crock as well, but they almost always
recant when they realize that such a view makes Hitler and Mother
Theresa play on the same ground. Such wildly subjective and nihilistic
views are simply counterintuitive, and they don't jive with the way that
we speak of ethics and aesthetics. Value-talk is just the same as
normal talk, and, therefore, the onus of proof is on the subjectivist.
People are all to ready to embrace subjectivism of all sorts because
society is still dealing with the horrors of racial discrimination and
what-not, and that, of course, was partly due to a misplaced sense of
superiority, but the badness of certain values does not entail the
badness of values altogether, and it should not be considered the
beginning ground for any discussion.
jason
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:04:01 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Metal Edge Again!!
Message-ID: <d4283088.36608f71@aol.com>
Regarding the poll, when I visited the site
www.mtledge.com/13reader98.htm
the form said that 1998 releases only can be voted for. Since Dream Theater
released FII in 1997 this presumably doesn't count and would disqualify the
vote .
I suppose then we who WANT to vote DT should vote for OiaLT, which means we
can also pick any SONG from that release, giving plenty of scope. Clever old
DT eh?
Thing is, I haven't really been to see any films this year so I don't know
what to vote for in the film soundtrack category. Any good ideas?
Thanks
Ice Queen
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:12:29 EST
From: Gkras19@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Scarred Records Address
Message-ID: <a83c6c9b.3660ad8d@aol.com>
Can somebody please give me the URL address for Scarred Records?? Thanks
alot!!
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:23:04 EST
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Medeski, Martin, Wood; Jazz/Rock/Prog? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <814a05d3.3660cc28@aol.com>
With all the talk of Jazz/Prog/Rock lately, I was listening to one of my
favorite Jazz bands the other day, Medeski, Martin and Wood, and I was
thinking about where to draw the line between Jazz and Prog. Some jazz has so
many of the characteristics of good progressive music (complex beats,
intricate instrument playing). Where do you guys draw the line between Prog
and Jazz? What groups cross that line every once in a while (either way)?
BTW, I will be meeting the band (MMW) at a local record store on the 7th and
getting a signed copy of their latest album...
Josh S.
NP: Jethro Tull - Jumpstart
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8435
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:01:53 -0500
From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4461
Message-ID: <000101be1b55$615b5c20$650106c0@rob>
> > Guilty Secret #56
> >
> > A friend of mine loaned me his Quake II CD a few weeks
> back (good game, got
> > completely lost, didn't finish it, oh well) The game was
> cool, but the
> > *music* was *ON*. Pure Instrumental Rock-Hard Riff Candy
> played at just the
> > right tempo and oh so moshable. (who wrote/produced those
> tunes btw?
> > Anyone? Anyone?).
>
> If im not mistaken it was done by Rob zombie..
I thought it was Trent Reznor of NIN. Either way, both Rob Zombie and
Reznor kick ass when the mood strikes. I know Reznor did one of the
quakes, just not which one.
=A0=A0=A0-Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800
bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net
DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:26:35 -0600
From: Hypermax <hypermax@win.bright.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Hollow Years Video
Message-ID: <3660DB0B.2286@win.bright.net>
I was just at my friends palce tonight and we were watching some tv and
we seen the video for Hollow Years, really cool video too!
Well just thought I'd let yas know that there is a video and that it is
good, well, duh, its DT, it has to be good, cya!
Hypermax
ICQ - 1188067
-- "Pulling and punching the rest of duration, no one can piss on this determination"My shithole in the web: http://members.tripod.com/~Hypermax/index.html
A Tout Le Monde A Tout Mes Amis Je Vous Aime Je Dois Partir
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:02:43 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Powermad 1997 & 1998 Promo CD's? Message-ID: <e764da90.3660e383@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-11-28 18:09:01 EST, you write:
<< Well, I'm sure that many of the people that attended Powermad would be interested in letting you know all about the CD, but I don't know of anyone that attended this year's show that has received their CD. I mean, the show was only in August, so you could see why almost four months later the CDs would still not be out. I mean, someone would actually have to put forth some sort of effort and actually put the CDs in the mail or something. That's a lot to ask. >>
Oops... my bad! I was under the impression that the CD's were available at Powermad and that people could leave with copies. I didn't know it was an order thang. Sorry 'bout that. But, if anyone ever DOES get a copy, I'll be looking forward to a review/track listing. Thanks...
- Matt T.
PS: Was there ever a CD for the 1997 Powermad?
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:26:05 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Message-ID: <19981129072605.12719.qmail@hotmail.com>
actually, yngwie derived his chops from a 17th century violinist by the name of paganini.. he studied his arpagios and melody line chop for chop and converted them to guitar.. :) not saying DiMeola's doesn't rock.. Al DiMeola kicks ass in fact :)
>Al Dimeola - If it wasn't for him, where would Yngwie have gotten his >chops from?
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:03:47 +0100 From: Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si> To: Ytsejam freaklist <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: To anyone that has AWAKE TAB book ... and a question for Message-ID: <011901be1ba1$16cbeb60$01f008a4@stdevil>
Could anyone that has AWAKE TAB book or can get a hold of one contact me? I mean everyone, please. I'm looking for THE MIRROR tab, if it's possible for all instruments. I know some of you bought Japanese AWAKE books, that were like this. Please respond, of course if you have the time and want to!
Now about Superior. Bernd can you answer me if you detune your guitar in some songs on Behind? And if so, how? Thanks.
Sebastjan
P.S. Quake 2 soundtrack is a killer(is there any info who did the whole soundtrack?). Quake 1 was also ok(Trent Reznor). But I like Quake 2 better(as a game that is). Especially now that I bought myself a Banshee. :)))
-- Sebastjan Videc [sebastjan.videc@NOSPAMuni-mb.si ] => remove NOSPAM [... It's full of stars ...] [... Let Light Surround You ...]
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:54:34 +1000 From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Once In A Livetime Australian release Message-ID: <l03110700b2872c76896d@[131.217.133.104]>
For anyone who cares, the Australian release of 'Once In A Livetime' is apparently in about 6 hours or so. Sorry for the late notice, if anyone has not yet got in on import (sucky old Hobart), but there you go.
Chris Groves.
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:33:51 From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Labyrinth & Eldritch (and something to Niria) Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19981129133351.22773c74@pop.netaddress.com>
Hi jammers!!!
I'm looking for Labyrinth & Eldritch lyrics... can you help me? Thanks.
About The Gathering: 'How to measure a planet?'... i wanna know some reviews of that new CD.
Take care, it's only life...
Nico... THE argentinian Ytsejammer (sorry Niria, Matija, and David)
P.S.: To Niria... :o********* (mmmuack!!!, para que me entiendas, jaja) _____________________________ . _ . / \ |\_|/__/| / Nicolas M. Rincon \ / / \/ \ \ / e-mail: tabo-sabalero@usa.net \ /__|O||O|__ \ \ ICQ: 11862235 Nick: Tabo / |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \ Santa Fe, Argentina / | | (____) | || | "Carpe Diem..." / \/\___/\__/ // |/\__________________________/ (_/ || \_/ | ||\ \ //_/ \______// Please, check it: http://www.raweb.com/colon __|| __|| (____(____) "Seize the day and don't you cry, Now it's time to say good-bye Even though I'll be gone, I will live on, live on" - Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:30:18 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Labyrinth & Eldritch (and something to Niria) Message-ID: <001601be1bc6$51f15e80$5a6716cb@graham>
>Hi jammers!!! > I'm looking for Labyrinth & Eldritch lyrics... can you help me? Thanks.
Yep, inside the CD booklet you'll find all the lyrics :P
GaZ
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:21:48 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Vote for DT Message-ID: <36622B6C.4F7@fh-niederrhein.de>
Go to http://www.listen.to/best.song and vote for "A Change Of Seasons" as the song of millenium.
Queen have dropped DT from the number 1 position so vote for ACOS now !
Arash
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:12:24 +400 From: jralat@coqui.net To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Readers poll Message-ID: <3661b8b8.210b.0@coqui.net>
Hi my jamming amigos,
My point of the whole poll thing is that you are in this list to celebrate DT and promote it. Not to say somebody arrogant to think we should vote for Dream Theater. What are we supposed to say... vote for Hanson? Do you walk into the republican party and say "vote for Clinton"?
Anybody who thinks that on the DREAM THEATER MAILING LIST should not say vote for DT because nobody should interfere with your right to vote is taking this too seriously.
Later
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:32:03 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Paganini Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981129143202.00683db8@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 11:44 PM 11/28/98 -0800, you wrote: > >actually, yngwie derived his chops from a 17th century violinist by the >name of paganini.. he studied his arpagios and melody line chop for chop >and converted them to guitar.. :) >not saying DiMeola's doesn't rock.. Al DiMeola kicks ass in fact :)
Paganini actually wrote about 150 caprices for guitar as well. The story as I know it is that he dated a woman who was a guitarist, so he learned to play guitar so that he could play guitar duets with her. After he broke up with her he never played guitar again :0 One of the caprices was adapted (or so I'm told) to "Eugene's bag of tricks" by Steve Vai from the movie Crossroads (Ralph Macchio's character plays it in the movie at the end).
And wasn't Paganini 18th or 19th Century?
lata,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:42:49 -0000 From: "Simon Christie" <simon@guitar-studio.purplenet.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Scarred Records Address Message-ID: <002701be1be1$6213aa00$4db259c3@simon-s-pc>
The URL is : http://scarred.mit.edu
Simon Christie
-----Original Message----- ]From: Gkras19@aol.com <Gkras19@aol.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Date: 29 November 1998 03:22 Subject: Scarred Records Address
> >Can somebody please give me the URL address for Scarred Records?? Thanks >alot!!
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:58:22 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LVS and Howe! Message-ID: <19981129215822.29189.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Check the new album of Greg Howe, on this page you can find some ra >audio samples. Also you will notice that one of the samples is " La >Villa Strangiato "
Me thinks I might be checking out Greg Howe after hearing him do the bass and a coupla guitar lines on a CD i just got from an Indian (Berklee trained, but we all know what that means...or doesn't mean....anyway) guitarist named Prashant Aswani.....
that disc I had to pick up cuz "Indian" and "guitar" aren't words i'd usually associate, and it is pretty darned cool, the style is the heavy fusion style, jazz metal maybe, i don't know exactly what the term is.....
but howe does the bass and production duties, and his parts are decent enough to make me think if he's good on bass, how cool is he gonna be on his primary instrument?? so a greg howe purchase may be in my future........
as for La Villa Strangiato......anyone here have the "Building Rome" CD from the band Mercury Rising? good disc, some great music, good enough to overcome the iffy vocalist (he gets a bit atonal a few times too many for my tastes).....sounds like fates warning on a few spots, but are able to turn the power up a notch for a heavier, chunkier edge than FW in their "metal" days......also has a lot of Rush influence, my brother the rap fan even picked up on that (hey, maybe the kid has learned something from all these years of being around me after all!)....the rush influence is pretty much spelled out in bringht lights the size of the letters in the Hollywood hills when in the middle of the first track, they start playing La Villa Strangiato (it's not exactly LVS, but you KNOW what they're getting at)......cool 'tribute' of sorts......a disc worth getting, all in all
partha
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:51:06 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Confirmed Dt holiday shows and stuff Message-ID: <3661CFDA.F392CE1C@ucla.edu>
Hey people. Im gonna be visiting the east coast and staying pretty much in Providence over Xmas vacation, and Im very interested in seeing DT (my 1st time!!!). Anyone wanna carpool? Serious here... Bafu: stop instigating ;P
~~Amanda
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:56:36 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: SONG OF THE MILLENIUM...yeah. Message-ID: <3661D124.3D8720A@imap1.asu.edu>
Song of the half century is more like it; the earliest song I found on that list at http://www.listen.to/best.song dates back to 1965. Come on people, from this list, am I to believe most of the "best" music was written within the past 3 decades? :^)
ROCK 'N ROLL BABY! ROCK 'N ROLL FOREVER!
~Eckie casts his vote for Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:23:01 +0200 From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Classic music / Pirate CDs 'n stuff Message-ID: <199811292128.XAA12023@elf.dlc.fi>
CyberDuke: >OK, after a long struggle in your mind you finally got it! Woohoo! Yes, Hey, gimme a break. It's not easy to be me ;)
>I was commenting in general, and none of my words were poining at you! Good to know, but you never can be too careful on the 'jam :) Sorry for the rant.
>>Legal copies obviously are The Good, cause the artists and record >>companies have certain rights to their material. Bootlegs are in >>the gray area. The bootleggers are usually die-hard fans who >>distribute stuff that otherwise would never be heard. But the artists >>don't get any profit from these records and they can't decide what >>stuff comes out on a bootleg, so boots are The Ugly. Pirate copies >>are The Bad. People who do pirate copies have no respect at all for >>the artists or their rights. They're in it only for the money. No >>matter what you do you can't justify the making, or buying of >>these things, because it's pure stealing and nothing more. Period. > >OK, we know all that! >But I was talking about the QUALITY of the bootlegs and purate CDs >too!?!?! Yeah. I knew that, but I had a good mind to shout a little about it. It really had nothing to do with you, it's only that I'm pissed off 'cause couple of my friends have their shelves full of copied CDs, about 3 $ each, and I'm paying 18-24 bucks per cd because I like to think that the artists get at least something for their work. My friends tell me I'm naive. I tell them they're full of shit ;) If only it'd be possible to buy all the records directly from the artists... Anyway, I have no idea about the quality of Bulgarian pirate cds but saying that they destroy the laser sounds a bit weird. None of my friends have this problem. What a pity :)
>SO, my question is: Is there any other reason for not buying pirate CDs >except the moral side? You don't get the neat looking booklet :)
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