YTSEJAM Digest 4312
Today's Topics:
1) Dave's post on DT and FII
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
2) Re: Wankres and all that JAZZZZZZ!!
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
3) Re: medley
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4311
by AyameYuki@aol.com
5) Re: DT and Macedonia
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
6) Re: Other Prog Metal/Rock groups?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
7) IMPORTANT YTSEJAM INFORMATION
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
8) GC/Columbia jammers
by drnewb@spiff.net
9) Most Frequent Poster Lists are up!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) $10 off from musicblvd.com (expires 10/05/98)
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
11) The Nik Brooks Mailing list....?
by Graham John Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
12) English vs American language (Non DTC)
by RJEN@isma.co.uk
13) song of the millennium
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:50:06 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dave's post on DT and FII
Message-ID: <3614233D.E5D4B95@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 06:21:34 PDT
> From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
>
> Symphony X. They're churning out their own
> style of Progressive Metal and nobody's going to stop them!
>
> On the other hand,I'm getting the impression that the members of
> Dream Theater aren't in agreement anymore as to what Dream Theater
> is to become.The highly technical and overly progressive side of
> the band (Portnoy and to some extent Petrucci) feel they need
> the Liquid Tension Experiment to fully realize their talent
> because their present band isn't allowing them to.Meanwhile
> the lighter side of Dream Theater (James) seems to feel that this
> band has great potential for making hits left and right and feels
> their songs should be more radio-friendly and more accessible to
> the palate of the average person's ear.
>
> I also get the impression that making FII was a "compromise." "First,
> we can put out this album full of ballads and catchy tunes and then we
> can put out a technical album (after the live album) filled with songs
> in the vein (and including) Metropolis Part II."
I must admit that this opinion is the most objective I read in all these
flames wars concernif DT/FII, and that's why it SERIOUSLY made me think
about the above said!
Fact:
- There ARE few songs on FII which are probably made for comercial
reasons.
OK, Anna Lee is AWESOME song, as the others, very catchy melodies etc.
But my concern is not this, I like FII. My concern is future DT albums.
And this guy Dave try to point out that there is a chance for DT to go
into commercial waters. Again, as he said, just opinion and something to
discuss about.
I'll say again what I said before, I remember Mike Portnoy interview
saying that what he loves about DT is that they really compose without
prejudice and ARE NOT influenced by mainstream music industry. They do
what they love!
Is it possible that this attitude dissapears as the time goes by? Is it
possible that after 2 more albums DT turns into completily average sweet
rock band who happens to play damn good?
Dave also said one very interesting thought on LTE. I never seen it as
such - that Mike and John, because of lack of prog. elements in DT need
projects like LTE to fully express themselves! Very intriguing thought!
I just hope it's not true! :)
Now I'm really worried!
> From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>
> I vote for "Dueling Banjos". Without it, society wouldn't have matured
> to the point it has now where we don't slag on the mentally retarded (or
> dentally challenged) as we once did. Now take into account that without
> Deliverance, Burt Reynolds would be just another actor, and you can see
> why this is such a pivotal song in music's history.
Woooohooooooo! Jon, when you come to Macedonia (where's that my god? ;)
you have dinner ON ME ! :)
I saw this movie when I was a kid and that scene of Dueling Banjos
remained firm in my mind (dunno why). Later, few years I was looking for
this movie and never found it. And than accidently on radios I caught it
and recorded it! :) Man, this is one of the best songs EVER! So cool, so
damn good!
> DT should cover it, with Derek playing the second voice,
> just to piss off those who:
>
> 1) Don't like country music
> 2) Don't like Derek using a guitar sound
> 3) Don't like Derek
That would be a thing. Petrucci and Myung doubling each other, sitting
on wailing chairs. :)
CyberDuke
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:57:46 -0400
From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Wankres and all that JAZZZZZZ!!
Message-ID: <361416FA.90975D15@softhome.net>
NikBrooks@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/1/98 5:57:14PM, you write:
>
> >
> >The British spelling of "wanker" would also be "wankre", but of course this
> >word doesn't even exist in British English. British people would never
> >admit to knowing what the word even means. :-)
> >
> >We buy Viagra to help maintain our stiff upper lip.
> >
> >:-P
> >
> >Graham
> >
> >--
> >Graham Borland
>
> The Scots have such a wonderful sense of HUMOUR!!!
>
> N
>
> PS: Shouldn't it be Viagara to rhyme with Niagara because if it lasts that
> long the end result is probably a little more than 10CC <SMIRK>
Try to consolidate your posts. 4 or 5 in a row is excessively annoying, and
usually they're pretty short. I would venture to say most don't enjoy receiving
the NikJam.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson------------------------------
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:31:03 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: medley Message-ID: <l03130300b2394cf9bfac@[128.83.177.71]>
> >PS: Rush will not be in the medley since most people have heard of their >music.
I think this is a bad mistake. If you just play a bunch of stuff the people in the bar have never heard of, they won't want to listen to you, and they'll just think "wow that singer with the high voice is really getting on my nerves with all that opera-like shit." When you're playing covers, people want to hear music they know. This has been a real problem with my band when we do cover gigs, 'cause we want to do stuff we like, aka DT, Rush, Tea Party, I Mother Earth, and other non-super-mainstream stuff (and yes, I know TP and IME are huge in canada, but this is Texas, where Canadians are about as evil as Yankees :). We end up playing crap like third eye blind, Smash Mouth (go listen to "The music's over," by the doors, for some interesting listening), and other pop bands like that. The point of doing cover gigs is to make money at parties (the majority of the money my band has made to finance our CD came from 2 Proms and a party or two, and it was waaay more money than about 15 original music club gigs), and you won't be asked to play parties if you do a bunch of stuff noone except the band likes. That having been said, it's a damn cool idea to do a prog medley. I say go for it, but you should really put in some Rush to give people an anchor, something for them to get into so you can keep their attention while you open their minds. It's also a connection point. People will think "Hmmm, music like Rush, a really cool band, only different. Maybe I should check some of that out."
AAAAAAAHHHHHHH! I gotta get going to class. I hate it when this happens!
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin Undeclared in Liberal Arts and Proud of it! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to Live Dream Theater "Learning to Live" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:07:00 EDT From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4311 Message-ID: <e8870407.36142734@aol.com>
i just had an interesting thought. right now, im listening to "Another Day" ( on IAW's CD ) ive had a brainstorm. let's poll how everybody feels about each song, but one rule : has to be about a person you are close to. i know it sounds kinda corny ( hey, i know its been done, but what the hey, give it a go :) ), but the topics are getting kinda monotnous dontcha think ?
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:11:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT and Macedonia Message-ID: <19981002011130.11713.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
---CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> wrote: > > Is it possible that this attitude dissapears as the time goes by? Is it > possible that after 2 more albums DT turns into completily average sweet > rock band who happens to play damn good?
Well, that always happens eventually. Artists usually break new ground early in their careers, then they just recycle from there on out. But hey ground-breaking creativity is very, very rare, the rest is just good (or bad) music. You can play the blues until you're 105, and no one will give you a hard time for not "breaking new ground"!
Actually, there's some studies that say the human brain starts losing it's ability to create "new" things and adapt by the age of 25. You're pretty stuck in your ways by then. You're also less likely to try new foods, new musical styles, etc. (OK, maybe somebody's parents out there got into "rap", but not many) Of course there are exceptions...
> Woooohooooooo! Jon, when you come to Macedonia (where's that my god? ;) > you have dinner ON ME ! :) > > CyberDuke >
Yeah, I know where Macedonia is... Don't expect many visitors from the U.S.! Our wonderful president is gonna be bombing you guys any day. Not a safe place for americans (or brits). But I'm getting way off track here...violation of ytselaw. ;o)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Other Prog Metal/Rock groups? Message-ID: <19980925221425.17066.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>
---Darth1@aol.com wrote: > > > (Lurk mode = off) > > Howdy everyone, > I'm new to the Jam (lurking for a couple of weeks now)... > I was wondering if some of you > guys/gals could point me in the direction of some other Prog Metal groups like > FW and DT.
Definately check out:
Symphony X - TDWOT, TIO Lemur Voice - Insights Enchant - ABFtW, Wounded I'm guessing you already know about Queensryche...
my $.02, BH
NP: Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IMPORTANT YTSEJAM INFORMATION Message-ID: <13844.23250.315623.686643@optical.mindstorm.com>
Hi All ...
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:26:46 -0500 From: drnewb@spiff.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: GC/Columbia jammers Message-ID: <199810020527.WAA26906@odin.ax.com>
Hey, sorry I've been away some lately, but I've been in the process of moving. Anyway, I just found out that Galactc Cowboys and King's X are playing Mississippi Nights in St. Louis Nov. 6. Showtime is at 9pm. For more info, call (314) 421-3853. Also, Sepultura, Vision of Disorder, and Earth Crisis are playing Pops (in Sauget, IL) Oct. 16 (for more info, call (618) 274-2760). I'll definitely be at the GC/KX show, and possibly be at the Sepultura show. Also, any jammers that might be in the Columbia, MO area, I just moved up there, so e-mail me and we can maybe get together and hang or something.
Dale R. Newberry
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--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:59:59 +1000 From: Graham John Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Nik Brooks Mailing list....? Message-ID: <360FA46F.96708B3B@sydney.net>
I know that I have been away for a while but when did the ytsejam turn into the Nik Brooks self appreciation society ?
Okay down to business :)
The new Superior disc is out and about and they have made a fairly decent second album. They definitely haven't made 'Behind' again, which I am sure is a good thing. They have certainly made a very 'progressive' album, in that it is quite a step forward from 'Behind' although those trademark riffs are still there. The Japanese bonus songs, including an acoustic version of 'Why' with guest vocals from Andre Matos from Angra. Easily worth 9/10, one point is deducted for the truly horrendous 'Free Minded' which is just the worst song Superior has recorded, sorry Bernd :)
Next up is Shadow Gallery. It's been a very long wait for this and it is well worth it. It rocks harder than 'Carved In Stone' and right now this Cd has left my jaw stuck to the floor. Already my fave release of the year. Despite what some have said this disc is completely cheese-free :) 10/10
Graham
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:26:53 +0100 From: RJEN@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: English vs American language (Non DTC) Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F84396FB8@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Steve,
"practice" and "practise" is an odd one. One of them is a verb, the other a noun. Both are English.
Cheers,
Rhys (a Taff putting Yanks and Pomms in their place)
NP: Greg Howe - Parallax NR: The Gormenghast Trilogy - Mervyn Peake NE: Lasagne
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:44:57 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: song of the millennium Message-ID: <36149289.8F414E67@winshop.com.au>
Chris Calabrese wrote:
> As far as picking a song of the millennium goes, in my mind, it just > could not be a rock song, I mean we're talking about a span of 1000 > years and rock has only been around for less than a tenth of that > time.
...
> And if any of you bastards try saying some DT song belongs here, I > will flame you heavily. I mean they're my favorite band too, but > that's just being real selfish!
Yeah I can see what you're getting at here, but don't you guys get it?! This isn't about what we *really* think the best song of the millennium is - it's about getting OFB all the damned exposure we can get them through any damned contest available. I know this contest is merely a bees dick on the scale of all things contest/poll/voting-wise, it's result aren't gonna win anyone anything, but if we can bombard as many of these things as possible and create some well deserved notoriety for ourselves here on the Jam, then hopefully some sort of exposure, or at least curiosity, will come for the crown-jewel of all bands that is the reason for the existance of this mailing list. (TIC!) :)
We all know that the Internet, Email and related communication technologies are slowly dominating our age of society, and if one day this 'Information Superhighway' becomes a reality rather than an image formed in the sweat from Bill Gates meat-beating hand, then the ystejammers may just be famous!
I don't care if your fav song isn't ACOS - mine isn't either, but just vote for it anyway, 3600 votes distributed out over a variety of DT's songs (or any of your fav Jazz or classical or whatever songs for that matter) aren't gonna do shit.
So vote for ACOS! One day you'll thank me....
Cheerin'
Luke.
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