YTSEJAM Digest 4313
Today's Topics:
1) galactic cowboys...
by "komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi" <op777@surffi.net>
2) Show Me What You Can Do...
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4310
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
4) Re: strawberries
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
5) Re: "Free Minded" worst song on "Younique"???? Er, no.
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
6) SotM poll
by "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
7) mfp?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
8) dueling banjos
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
9) one thing i forgot ...
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
10) Superior - Free Minded
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
11) Re: Song of the Millennium
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
12) Re: AOR
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
13) Guitarist's notice!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) re: medley
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
15) Spanish speakers/Progressive rock
by Awake <nauj3@yahoo.com>
16) JP page OFFLINE
by "David Van Glabeke" <hawkey@skynet.be>
17) Re: DT, FII and LTE.
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
18) Matt returns + re: FII and the test of time
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
19) Re: DT and Macedonia
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:06:04 +0200
From: "komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi" <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: galactic cowboys...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981002130604.00925160@mail.surffi.net>
just to inform ppl who are thinking of ordering GC from CDNOW :
I've been trying to get Space In Your Face by GC for a while... CDNOW
couldn't get it to me, they mailed me few times saying they have it on
their catalog "for informational purposes" and they prolly won't be getting
any more of them.
op777
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:01:38 +0400
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Show Me What You Can Do...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981002150138.0090a130@messagebox.com>
Hey jammerz,
I don't know if this had been mentioned before, put I simply can't keep
silence about this
awesome release.
I mean Frank Gambale, Stuart Hamm and Steve Smith's album called 'Show e
what you can do'.
It's simply awesome! For those of you who liked Vital Tech Tones it's the
very right thing to get.
Also I know that some ppl on this list had been waiting for long to hear a
new release from Stuart Hamm (his work on Crystal Planet is not
satisfactory) - this is the right thing for you guys!
Stu at his very best!!! One more thing - I never realised that Steve was
such an awesome drummer (well, at least untill I heard the VTT, but SMWYCD
confirmed this).
I am not talking about Frank - what else could we expect from him?!
Stu told me that he had never been satisfied with his release more than
this time and I guess this also mean something.
You can check out a small sample from it at: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch
in the section for the s/clips.
~Pete
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:09:38 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4310
Message-ID: <199810021202.IAA11588@bajor.ici.net>
> The highly technical and overly progressive side of the band (Portnoy and
> to some extent Petrucci) feel they need the Liquid Tension Experiment to
> fully realize their talent because their present band isn't allowing them
> to. Meanwhile the lighter side of Dream Theater (James) seems to feel
> that this band has great potential for making hits left and right and
> feels their songs should be more radio-friendly and more accessible to the
> palate of the average person's ear. Boy, what a dorky sentence that was!
> ;)
>
I would extend that particular description to the entire paragraph,
but that's just me... :-)
I don't think the side projects are a result of the members being
dissatisfied with what DT is doing, but rather a chance for them to
stretch their musical wings outside of the confines of what DT
represents to them. I think the members have a VERY clear vision
of what DT is and is not (I think it's also very different from what the
*fans* think, but that's another story). Rather than being a divisive
force, I think it helps/will help DT be more cohesive by assuring
that everyone has the necessary outlets to express their full
creative abilities.
__Pat Sullivan________________
Email: psull@just-like.nu
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu
ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:15:20 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: strawberries
Message-ID: <199810021208.IAA11760@bajor.ici.net>
> What smells like strawberries?
I don't know, but the Bond girl in "Goldeneye" *tastes* like them, or
so I've heard........ :-)
-----
__Pat Sullivan________________
Email: psull@just-like.nu
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu
ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:24:53 -0400
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: "Free Minded" worst song on "Younique"???? Er, no.
Message-ID: <4.1.0.67.19981002091832.00935120@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Grrrraham wrote:
>Easily worth 9/10, one point is deducted for the truly horrendous 'Free
>Minded' which is just the worst song Superior has recorded, sorry Bernd
>:)
Okay, Graham, gotta disagree with you there. I think "Free Minded" is one
of the most kickass songs on the disc. I'm not exactly sure why it rokz my
nadz so much, but it does. Might be the thousand and one musical styles
thrown into the mix, or it might be the great keys solos, or the wicked
time changes.....hell, maybe it's all of the above.
And I have to give mad props to Bernd and the boyz for putting out an album
like "Younique" with a song like "Free Minded". It's obvious from just one
listen to this disc that the band is intent only on making the music THEY
want to make. Not what their label wants them to put out. Not what Top-10
Radio wants them to put out. They are not compromising at all and I applaud
them for it.
Ta,
Phil
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Currently playing: Jesse Cook -- "Gravity"
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:57:05 -0700
From: "O" <red_barchetta@mailcity.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SotM poll
Message-ID: <JEMAFGEJEKFBDAAA@mailcity.com>
Mr. Luke said:
>This isn't about what we *really* think the best song
>of the millennium is - it's about getting OFB all the
>damned exposure we can get them
>through any damned contest available.
Uh-huh. Isn't that really silly? I mean, then it is just a fact of what band has the highest number of big fans? What good does that do?
I still stick to my earlier opinion - if you don't like ACOS, don't vote for it! Is it so hard to understand!?
It is, as someone noted, entirely a matter of principle. And I think you should care.
'Til later (i.e. Monday),
O
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:08:18 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mfp?
Message-ID: <19981002140818.19780.qmail@hotmail.com>
Wow, i only did two posts in all of september? and 51 won the whole
race? geez, i seem to recall a time, not too long ago, when a creature
named dreamnday would post and post and....you get the picture.....and
the mpf race would soar into the 70s and 80s and even 100s! now, a mere
51 takes the cake.....I'm getting old or nostalgic or something like
that......hmmm, i wonder if this is one of those
anti-purpose-of-the-ytsejam posts that skadz might take exception
to.....i remember those days of kbibb and his magical moderative
erasable pen
[shit deleted -kbibb]
somehow, i don't think i got the format exactly right, but i'm way past
rambling now......
partha
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:10:44 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dueling banjos
Message-ID: <3614DEE4.2989FC2C@trw.com>
> I saw this movie when I was a kid and that scene of Dueling Banjos
> remained firm in my mind (dunno why).
Anyone been to that bar in Boston that's near Fenway where they have the
dueling pianos. I've been to Boston once and we hit a few bars that
night. Expensive beers though at this place but they are 20-24 ounce
bottles. You should check out the dueling pianos if he get a chance.
NP:Shadow Gallery-Tyranny
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: one thing i forgot ... Message-ID: <13844.59143.61081.210764@optical.mindstorm.com>
Well, yesterday in my rules stuff, i forgot one :)
Top 5/10/20/30/92/etd lists.
There is a proper way to do these and a WRONG way.
The wrong way is easy. A message like "Why doesn't everyone send their favorite 5 guitarists to the ytsejam, so we can see who everybody likes" is the WRONG way.
Now, on the other hand, if you say. "Hey! Why doesn't everyone send ME their top 5 guitarists and I will compile statistics and send a summary to the ytsejam" Have a blast, I'm fine with that.
Basically, just don't CLUTTER the jam :)
Thanks Again! Skadz
-- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:06:11 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Superior - Free Minded Message-ID: <000f01bdee16$3159ecb0$905d64c7@jbirzer_dev.idshq.com>
>Easily worth 9/10, one point is deducted for the truly horrendous 'Free >Minded' which is just the worst song Superior has recorded, sorry Bernd
Hey, I like this song, in a goofy sort of way. It is definitly different and not at all what I expected. Does this also mean you don't like 'Detect: Myself'? It has a similar feel..
Overall, I like the album, but I think I like 'Behind' better. Get the album, if u can...
Jason Birzer
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:02:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Song of the Millennium Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9810021659460.16096-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Nick Storr wrote:
> > Well, just voted for ACOS... but I have a question.... > > How do Garth Brooks, Bryan Adams, bloody HANSON, A-Ha and others get on the > list before the Beatles?!?!?!
Hehe, I bet Garth Brooks fans, Bryan Adams fans, Hanson fans and others, must be thinking.... How the hell did Dream Theater get on the list before the Spice Girls?!?!?!?
They're doing the same as we... organising the voting...
Zaphod
NP: Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:07:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: AOR Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9810021707230.16096-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> I know this is a dumbass question (one that I should have asked ages > ago, actually), but what does AOR stand for.
Album Oriented Rock
> Damn I feel stupid.
Don't :-)
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:42:12 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Guitarist's notice! Message-ID: <001a01bdee1b$77a6f500$0201010a@chuck>
Hey, all.
I figured some of you guitarists might be interested in this. There is a JPM100P2 (John Petrucci Model 2 Ibanez for you on-guitarists. :) on auction at this URL. The price now is like $500 and it ends tomorrow. Sweet price. And you have Korg's seal of approval on the JPM100P2. I played one once and wish I had the money to buy this one. Looks, plays, and sounds great!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=32477199
Good luck! -- KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:47:38 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: medley Message-ID: <199810021648.JAA17331@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
>If you just play a bunch of stuff the >people in the bar have never heard of, >they won't want to listen to you,
how true. touring with a rock band in the mid 70's we played Uriah Heeps "July Morning" for an openning song several times. what we found was that majority of the people looked bored and mis-placed. they were wanting to hear top 40 type stuff. changing the song to Styx's "Sweet Madame Blue" produced the same results since the radio stations weren't playing this cut off of Styx's album.
we thought this stuff would be great to warm up on since most people don't get off their butts and dance during the first set anyway. even though we had a super vocalist to pull these songs off (as well as draw some attention from a few labels), people were just not interested.
moral of the story: >people want to hear music they know
very sad, but, very very true.
>THINK BEFORE YOU POST
heh... like i try to keep teaching my 6 yr old son, "Think before you do."
btw, i ran into a female country singer (15 yrs experienced) last month and while we were driving to a theater i cranked up TAMP which was playing on my cd player. after a couple of minutes of listening, i noticed that her jaw had dropped and that she was intently listening to the song. she finally said, "Wow! The percussion is awesome." after the song had played, she had nothing but really good things to say about the band. (heh... it'd be really kewl to convert a country singer/writer to OFB.) i found it most difficult to bite my tongue and give her the space to listen while the song was playing. even though she's extremly good at what she's doing, i find it most difficult to listen to her perform -- i just don't like country. <g>
izzzzz
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Awake <nauj3@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spanish speakers/Progressive rock Message-ID: <19981002181909.5398.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com>
Para los amantes del rock progresivo, aqui les doy la direccion de La Caja de Musica. Es una lista de correo donde se habla del rock progresivo en general. Va desde Yes hasta Dream Theater. Se pueden dar opiniones, recomendaciones, noticias, etc. Echenle un ojo!
http://nuvol.uji.es/~inesta/Music/LCDM/
Si no les interesa, pero saben de alguna otra persona ala que le podria interesar, por favor envienle este e-mail.
Gracias!
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:44:21 +0200 From: "David Van Glabeke" <hawkey@skynet.be> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: JP page OFFLINE Message-ID: <000001bdee34$ab12fba0$9d09eec3@david>
Sorry , but The John Petrucci Unofficial Homepage is currently offline .. problems with server .. KILL SERVERS !! :)
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:21:27 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT, FII and LTE. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981002152127.0105959c@postoffice.ptd.net>
CyberDuke responded to Dave's post: >OK, Anna Lee is AWESOME song, as the others, very catchy melodies etc.
Here I thought I was the only 'jammer who absolutely LOVES "Anna Lee". I know it has that Elton-John-ish sound to it, but hey, DT do it BETTER. This song has grown on me a lot more than I thought it would when I first heard it a year ago. And it sounded GREAT live, as well. As far as the other "poppy" tunes on FII, "Hollow Years" still sounds as good as ever (also a great live one), but YNM and TAMP have lost flavor, especially since I now have a copy of the TAMP demo (which I like a LOT better).
>But my concern is not this, I like FII. My concern is future DT albums. >And this guy Dave try to point out that there is a chance for DT to go >into commercial waters. Again, as he said, just opinion and something to >discuss about.
I dunno ... I don't think DT will ever put out an album FULL of pop/commercial songs. I have thought that possibly FII WAS "DT's radio-friendly album", and that what will follow will have just as much of its own identity. I look at WDADU as "DT's technical/dramatic album"; I&W as "DT's prog opus", Awake as "DT's heavy/dark album", and ACOS as "DT's prog masterpiece and tribute cover show". Each album has concentrated on a certain aspect or element of the band and its influences. Basically, all I'm hoping for with the next album is that it's DIFFERENT, that DT don't rehash anything they've already done. (I actually hope Metropolis II isn't *too* similar to I ... as good of course, but with its own ID.) FII did explore commercial waters to an extent, and the band's influences became a lot more apparent. Hopefully they won't continue in that direction, not for the sake of not becoming commercial, but for unpredictability, creativity, and all of the other things DT have become known for (as well as things they *haven't* become known for *yet*).
LTE? It did cross my mind as being a possible outlet of *some* sort. You have to remember though, the whole concept of LTE was about MP collaborating with 3 other musicians, *one* of whom he decided was going to be JP. I wonder if it was really about having a "progressive outlet of creativity" outside of DT, which seemed to be moving in a different direction, but I doubt it. Either way, I love the LTE album, and can't wait for the new one next year. (1999, hell yeah ... hopefully my first YtseCon, a new DT album, a new LTE album, Platypus, new QR, new Pantera ... next year is looking GREAT already!!!)
My $.0000002, Brian
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:29:13 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Matt returns + re: FII and the test of time Message-ID: <1998102143536641@ix.netcom.com>
Hi, long time since Ive posted, but schools back in session :-( and I havent had much time to read a lot of my mail. Anyway....
<<So I'd buy it all over again, although I might pop it in the old CD player more often if it only had my 4 favorite songs on it....>>
well, I think I can solve this problem...
most CD players have a program thingy on them, so, just program in the songs you want it to play, and then, you only get those songs, whithout the struggle of having to skip track after track (ie. YNM, HY, AL - at least those are the ones I usually pass over). problem solved.
Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:48:18 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT and Macedonia Message-ID: <199810215531166334@ix.netcom.com>
<<Well, that always happens eventually. Artists usually break new ground early in their careers, then they just recycle from there on out. But hey ground-breaking creativity is very, very rare, the rest is just good (or bad) music. You can play the blues until you're 105, and no one will give you a hard time for not "breaking new ground"! >>
looks like SOMEONE hasnt been listening to much King Crimson, hmmm? ;-)
They are probably the only prog rock band I can think of (with the possible exception of Rush, who never went mainstream, at least for most of the part, yet we can't forget Time Stand Still, can we?) that never commercialized. In fact, I'll even say that they got a tad stranger since they first started. I dont think DT would try to go totally mainstream, though, it really would be a waste of their talent and I know that the bulk of their fans would leave if they did (ala M*ta*lica). But then again, the fans shouldn't decide their musical direction, they can do what they want, but I still can't picture a guitarist like Petrucci or a drummer like Portnoy doing mainstream or commercial stuff and no prog.
BTW, I was wondering if Petrucci's ever given though to doing a solo album like Vai Morse or DiMeola. I think that would kick arse.
Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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