YTSEJAM Digest 4314
Today's Topics:
1) Worries on DT topic! :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
2) FII, LTE, Diversity...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
3) Public covers gigs
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
4) Younique
by Steven Zinck <zincks@OHSU.EDU>
5) Re:Beer-swillin' backhill bumpkins
by Ibanez506@aol.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4305
by Ibanez506@aol.com
7) Re: JPM100P2
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
8) DT Fans
by Jim <roadie@inct.net>
9) Re: Alabama likes smart music too
by Darth1@aol.com
10) Re: Rush on Conan!!
by Darth1@aol.com
11) FII as commercial, LTE as Prog, DT as food
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
12)
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
13) Hot Bruce Dickinson news; some DTC
by "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
14) Old links to Rsabbs
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
15) definitely not MetII, nor an unknown kickass song, just my
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
16) split decisions
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:12:55 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Worries on DT topic! :)
Message-ID: <3614ED76.B7C0F102@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:11:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: DT and Macedonia
>
> CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> wrote:
> > Is it possible that this attitude dissapears as the time goes by? Is
> > it possible that after 2 more albums DT turns into completily average
> > sweet rock band who happens to play damn good?
>
> Well,that always happens eventually. Artists usually break new
> ground early in their careers,then they just recycle from there on out.
Nah, I don't think so! It's true for Rolling Stones maybe! :)
Many other bands had few periods of different styles in their carrier.
> Actually, there's some studies that say the human brain starts losing
> it's ability to create "new" things and adapt by the age of 25. You're
> pretty stuck in your ways by then. You're also less likely to try new
> foods, new musical styles, etc.
Now you can't possibly say this is the way it goes for ALL! Eventually,
it depends from our open-mindness if we'll try out somehitg different,
explore, adopt new concepts etc.
Many elder musicians wrote awesome music, so obviously they were still
in the mood to explore/experiment.
Heh, what about Einstein? :) How old was he when he came up with E=mc^2
'n stuff?
Beat you on this one, ;)
CyberDuke
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:01:51 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII, LTE, Diversity...
Message-ID: <FB615A6AB848D211BD930060975B3ACF02442C@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
A wee thread concerning FII being a restricted CD and LTE being
the release valve is bubbling under at the moment, well I thought I'd
add MHO. Firstly I don't think FII has been held back in anyway, this
is DT's most commercial offering sure, but I agree with Brian Larkin,
every CD is vastly different, and I'm sure that the next studio offering
will also be diverse. I would also like to add that FII rocks my
fucking nads (with an "s"), there is not one song I don't like/love
(including AL and TAMP, which are both beautiful - and yes I've heard
the demo - and the final cut is better IMHO). And I never skip tracks
(in fact I get quite stressed if I don't have time to listen to it in
its entirety). The same is true of all the CD's with the exception of
WDADU - but that's CD's fault.
Now to LTE, Platypus and any other spin-off that has or may
occur(ed). Imagine, you're a successful muso, getting paid to do what
you love, and you have a little spare time and the opportunity to get
together with other talented types. Not only that but a label who will
release the material you're having a laugh producing. And a ton of fans
clambering for any piece of magnetic media you may have looked at at one
time or another. You got to be wanting some of that action (yes I'm
jealous, yes they're all lucky bastards!).
So there you have it, to summarise, DT rock, yet I hate them all
:)
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
NP: FII again, what you gonna do about it... eh?
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:56:52 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Public covers gigs
Message-ID: <36156844.D80977B1@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:47:38 -0500
> From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
> Subject: re: medley
>
> >If you just play a bunch of stuff the
> >people in the bar have never heard of,
> >they won't want to listen to you,
Sad or not sad - it is true! But it's also quite logical isn't it!
First and VERY important (something I realised through the years of
struggle about MY and OTHERS tastes):
- Normal people don't like music as much as we do. If I'm right, then I
bet that first thing you do in the morning is playing some music to wake
you up and then go washing your face! :) We listen music all the time
and are really into it. We like searching albums, bands, biographies,
discographies, go on concerts etc.
But other folks just DON'T do that!
Now, those people who go out in cafe-bars where some local band is
playing covers, they don't go there neccesarilly for the band. 'Cause
they're NOT music maniacs. And naturally, since they're doomed to listen
some band anyway, they want to listen familar stuff. And don't tell me
you're doing it for I-don't-know-what-kind-of-high-reasons, - it's for
the money! You play covers in cafe-bars for money! That thing itself
means that you should not be selfish and play JUST your fave music
(Which normal cafe-bar folks would like to listen Black Sabbath's "War
Pigs"? ;) Yeah, I like the song too but...
Best way to do it is maybe inserting SOME of your fave stuff, but one
that can stay in audinece minds, some catchy tune. Definitely not
extreme prog. stuff.
One thing you can't miss is doing some old famous songs covers: Bowie's
"Heroes", "Born to be wild", "Addicted to love", "Layla", "LA Woman",
"Midnight hour", "Honky Tonk women", Get back", Police... You get the
picture! There isn't any normal guy who doesn't know this stuff! And
also this songs are good for at least some kind of dancing. People like
these songs because they're familiar to them. And if you come up with
"Johnny B. Goode", be sure that you'll blow the roof of the joint! ;)
Finally of course, it all depends form the type of the cafe-bar (har
rock cafe, rock, metal...). Than your choice is easier.
> we thought this stuff would be great to warm up on since most people don't
> get off their butts and dance during the first set anyway. even though we
> had a super vocalist to pull these songs off (as well as draw some
> attention from a few labels), people were just not interested.
How can someone dance on "Metropolis" ? :) At least not in a way that
the cafe owner won't sue you for broken chairs, tables, glasses and few
injured customers in the local hospital! ;)))
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:48:18 -0500 (CDT)
> From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
>
> I dont think DT would try to go totally mainstream,
> though, it really would be a waste of their talent and I know
> that the bulk of their fans would leave if they did (ala M*ta*lica)
I happen to like new Metallica stuff! Great change, fresh! I don't need
"Master of Puppets" in 1998!!!
Oooops, was this against the ytse-rules?
> but I still can't picture a guitarist like Petrucci or a drummer like Portnoy doing
> mainstream or commercial stuff and no prog.
Me too but...., stranger things happened! :)
> BTW, I was wondering if Petrucci's ever given though to doing a solo album like Vai
> Morse or DiMeola. I think that would kick arse.
Yeah really, why not? Many guitarists did solo works while still in
band. Maybe Petrucci can't compose stuff all by himself for a solo
album? ;))))))))))))))))))
CyberDuke
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:58:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Zinck <zincks@OHSU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Younique
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.981002155252.28673A-100000@steele.ohsu.edu>
Got to agree with Phil Carter's take on Younique, props to Bernd and the
guys for having the balls to make the kind of music they want to make and
not bowing down to some music industry bureacrat. From one song to
another, this cd is quality, and is one of those few cd's where every
song is at least good to excellent. Very progressive, very original.
Keep up the strong work Bernd.
Zinck
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:11:52 EDT
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:Beer-swillin' backhill bumpkins
Message-ID: <11bafd63.36156bc8@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-09-29 01:16:04 EDT, you write:
<< No offense to any beer-swillin', bar-hopping, lynchin', inbreedin' backhill
bumpkins was intended. Hell, I'm with all of ya, just look at my family
tree. :) >>
Is this because your tree only has one branch?? :P (only kidding)
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:13:43 EDT
From: Ibanez506@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4305
Message-ID: <330e14b4.36156c37@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-09-29 13:20:59 EDT, you write:
<< let's not forget the group of kiddie shredders Vai produced, called like
Bad 4 Good or some godaweful name like that! they were all like 14 or 15
when Vai produced them.
>>
O.K yes the name was bad and the songs wern't much better BUT these kids could
really play.
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:56:57 -0400
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JPM100P2
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981002205657.01054044@postoffice.ptd.net>
I wept openly at reading the following post from KorgX3:
>I figured some of you guitarists might be interested in this. There is a
>JPM100P2 (John Petrucci Model 2 Ibanez for you on-guitarists. :) on auction
>at this URL. The price now is like $500 and it ends tomorrow. Sweet price.
However, I followed the link and noticed the price had moved up to $920,
and felt a *little* better. Reason being, I shelled out a good portion of
my savings account about three weeks ago for a JPM100P3. The P3
(black-and-white) finish may not be as pretty as the P2, but the guitar
itself is SHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET. I've become physically attached to the
fucking thing, you know. Makes it a little hard to drive, and I've become
quite a spectacle at school, but it's all good. I don't mind. As long as
the P2 isn't still $500. :)
Peace, love, and picasso graphics,
Brian ;-D
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:03:31 -0500
From: Jim <roadie@inct.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Fans
Message-ID: <3615A213.E1AF9361@inct.net>
This is only the 2nd time I have posted to the Jam, being a long time
lurker, but I finally find a subject I feel I had to post on:
Whether Fans make a difference..
All this talk about voting this song or that "Song of the Millennium",
and someone saying something to the effect of "fans don't make a
difference" made me think back to the 80's and MTV, when a band called
Stryper spent weeks at a time at least in the top 10, sometimes weeks at
a time at number one, in the most requested videos.
All because of fans.
Stryper's sales didn't come close to that of the other bands in the top
10 videos, in fact, MTV at first rejected Stryper's video for "Honestly"
for being "too patriotic" (whatever that means), but the loyal fans
rallied together and voted, and voted, and voted..for their favorite
band!
Those fans didn't have the resources we have at out disposal, i.e. this
list, the Internet, etc. but they made a difference.....
*soapbox mode OFF*
Jim aka Roadie
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:19:38 EDT
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Alabama likes smart music too
Message-ID: <1d2966f5.3615a5da@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/30/98 1:36:54 AM Central Daylight Time, Nicole writes:
> hey everybody. i have a little pet peeve id like to share. im from Alabama (
> no, i did NOT type Hickville by mistake ) and i looked at the tour sched i
> got via e mail. since when is Florence,Al the only city in Alabama ? its
> unfair that hardy any band comes down to Alabama in the first place. ( we
do
> have a military...maybe we'll blow you guys into teeny bits....hmm...just
> kidding :) ) So if you can convince anybody : heck, come to alabama. you
> might
> learn that we all dont chew on hay and farm for a living, after all,
> everybody
> knows where Huntsville is ( if you are a computer tech. ) ive said my part,
>
Hear hear! Alabama is the happening place for Alternative music right now,
with Birmingham bands like Brother Cane and Jump Little Children being signed
to major labels. Maybe we can convert it over to the Progressive side.
Birmingham, Huntsville and Tuscaloosa are the places to tour. If anyone of you
on the Jam happen to be in touch with any Progressive bands, please tell them
to swing by on their tours of the South. Birmingham has lots of great clubs
and the Five Points Music Hall. BTW fellow Alabamian here Nicole (Birmingham,
Trussville).
::High Five!!::
Josh S.
| When there is reason, Tonight I'm Awake. |
| When there's no answer, Arrive the Silent Man.|
| III. The Silent Man - Awake, Dream Theater |
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:56:27 EDT
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush on Conan!!
Message-ID: <5fa8154.3615ae7b@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/1/98 11:59:07 AM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> Did anyone catch Conan the other night? but Conan actually played
> 10-15 seconds of "Somthing For Nothing", around the part where Geddy is
> shreaking!!
>
> I forgot the context, as I was really wasn't paying close attention, but
> boy did I wake up when that came on!!! Conan is the only one with a sack
> large enough to do that :)
I saw that too!! I literally stood up out of my chair and my mouth dropped
open. They were trying to do a joke about the number 2112 for some reason.
Then they showed Max Wienburg with a fake album called "Max 2356" or something
like that... It was funny at the time... The cool thing is that Rush got TV
airplay!!!
Josh S.
| When there is reason, Tonight I'm Awake. |
| When there's no answer, Arrive the Silent Man.|
| III. The Silent Man - Awake, Dream Theater |
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:22:40 +0700
From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII as commercial, LTE as Prog, DT as food
Message-ID: <3615D0C0.D654E1F8@pacific.net.ph>
Why can't we just view FII and LTE as different sides to the
personalities
involved? Just because MP and JP like doing something like LTE doesn't
mean that they don't like doing FII. I like vanilla ice cream, and that
doesn't mean that I don't like chocolate.
Let's extend the food analogy a little bit. Imagine LatM as Indian
food.
Imagine ACOS as steak and potatoes. Imagine Awake as Cajun food.
Imagine WDADU as French food. Imagine IAW as Italian food. FII, I
suppose, could just be a burger and fries. Once in a LIVEtime could be
the DT food court at the DT mall. I like all those foods. Couldn't it
be
that the band members also like a little variety for their palates.
-Rob
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 00:19:10 PDT
From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <19981003071910.10364.qmail@hotmail.com>
>> feels their songs should be more radio-friendly and more accessible
>>to the palate of the average person's ear. Boy, what a dorky
>>sentence that was!
>> ;)
>I would extend that particular description to the entire paragraph,
>but that's just me... :-)
>I don't think the side projects are a result of the members being
>dissatisfied with what DT is doing, but rather a chance for them to
>stretch their musical wings outside of the confines of what DT
>represents to them. I think the members have a VERY clear vision
>of what DT is and is not (I think it's also very different from what
>the *fans* think, but that's another story). Rather than being a
>divisive force, I think it helps/will help DT be more cohesive by
>assuring that everyone has the necessary outlets to express their >full
creative abilities.
>
>__Pat Sullivan________________
Well, the way I see it, why join a band that won't allow you to fully
realize your potential? If you're a good drummer, find a band that will
allow you to go crazy at points!
But like I said before, it seems as if the members are at a compromise
for the moment, saying "Okay, Dream Theater can put out this kind of
music, and I'll just go nuts on this side project of mine..." But still
do you think this is a healthy way to live one's life? I'm not saying
it isn't, just thinking out loud.
I suppose a man's got to pay the bills and DT is certainly going to
bring in more moolah than LTE, but then the musical integrity question
comes in again. Do you have integrity if you're compromising your sound
for the sake of selling more records?
It's all a squishy topic and none of us have the answers, but I'm just
glad that Mike and James and John and Derek and John all seem to have
things going the way they want them and if LTE is what keeps DT
together, then so be it!
Wow - what a statement: LTE is what keeps DT together.
Later!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:29:02 +0200
From: "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hot Bruce Dickinson news; some DTC
Message-ID: <000101bdeeb0$4315d140$1c6c9ec2@default>
Hi everyone,
For those who really dig Bruce Dickinson here's some cool news: for the
20th anniversary of New Wave of British Heavy Metal the new SAMSON album
will be released on Airraid Records (Bruce's label) with the line-up of Paul
Samson, Chris and Thundersticks. According to Bruce, 9 new songs have been
written and they kick ass.
On a quite sad note it's become announced that Roy Z will not be playing in
Paris, France on the 25th November due to some family problems. His roadie,
The Guru, has successfully passed the audition and will replace Roy.
And now some DT content. For every purchase of "Once in a Livetime" the
central records store in Paris will be offering a free promo video tape with
extracts from "Five years in a live time". I though the CD and the video
will be released at the same time. What's the story in the US?
Take care all,
Volodya.
NP - Headline "Escape"
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:07:34 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Old links to Rsabbs
Message-ID: <01BDEEC6.6BDFB440@114.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
I just found this while searching for websites linking
to the old official site (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/)
with InfoSeek :
http://www.bikinionline.com/mag/dlinks.html
"You can have a cool link on here also. All you have to do is
put a link to our main page (http://www.rsabbs.com/), mail us
and tell us. We will check your site out, and when we see our
link on there, we will put a link to your site here."
Too funny. :)
Mark Bredius
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:31:03 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: definitely not MetII, nor an unknown kickass song, just my
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981003123103.0069d428@unet.univie.ac.at>
hey all!!
i have now finally managed to get my demo on the net (thanks DE :-)) and i
would love to hear others opinions. Of course all my friends say its good
(else i'd beat the shit out of them, hehe) so i am interested in what you
think about it...
you can download it from
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~textral/dryheat.html
its in MP3 format.
i dont want to say too much about it, just listen. I did everything myself,
and remember its only a demo...(but i think the sound quality is quite good
for ancient 4 track recording...)
some of the soloing might lack structure cos its only improvised (except for
the last part of the long one) but i took the first takes since i thought
they sound ok.
e me privately or (even better) on this list if you have heard it and liked
or (be careful....) disliked it...
thanks for reading and listening
'i heard the old man tell his tale...'
NP:Genesis - Archive 1967-75
Dryheat (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:48:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: split decisions
Message-ID: <19981003144845.13657.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
> > On the other hand,I'm getting the impression that the members of
> > Dream Theater aren't in agreement anymore as to what Dream Theater
> > is to become.The highly technical and overly progressive side of
> > the band (Portnoy and to some extent Petrucci) feel they need
> > the Liquid Tension Experiment to fully realize their talent
> > because their present band isn't allowing them to.Meanwhile
> > the lighter side of Dream Theater (James) seems to feel that this
> > band has great potential for making hits left and right and feels
Think about this for a minute. WHo wrote the bulk of Hollow Years and
Take Away My Pain? James? No, it was Petrucci. As far as I can see
all the members were pretty happy with the outcome of FII. Remember
they all have varied influences (wasnt one of Mike's fave albums last
year the Foo Fighters?) and prog is just one of them...which happened
to dominate most of their career. Sure, there was some attempt to be
abit more 'commercial' but I dont see the band being split about it.
LTE was just a project MP and JP did that ended up being that way. I
bet MP's next project with Neal Morse and others will be very
song-oriented, and a lot less bombastic.
This is the same problem I have with some Rush fans . They started
out sounding like a staright-forward Zeppelin, and then they tried the
prog thing. But the minute the go back to more song-oriented music,
everybody screams sell-out. WTF?
Why cant a band just write simpler music because they want to, or
because they find a new challenge in writing good short songs? Why
must it always be a compromise or a sell-out? The prog label is
written with magic ink, people.
anyways,
Ernesto
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