YTSEJAM Digest 4315
Today's Topics:
1) The Guillermo Guy and new AYREON album!
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
2) LTE vs. DT or whatever this thread is
by Madsag@aol.com
3) **SNEAK PREVIEW DT HATS******
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
4) **SNEAK PREVIEW DT HATS******
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
5) The "Is FII commercial" Thread
by "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
6) Knights of the Round sale
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
7) Awesome recordigs!
by liquidrich@webtv.net
8) Re: For the Money
by "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
9) Mark and bikinis/Opinion on Younique/Singers
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
10) MUSIC: the phantom menace!!!
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4314
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:56:29 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Majesty <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Guillermo Guy and new AYREON album!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9810031656100.9232-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Okay, i got another mail from this jerk. This is the only time i'll reply
to him, and i'll give him the chance to answer in an adult way. I'm
posting this to the list so that Skadz or anyone else who can, can take
appropriate actions against this guy.
The interesting stuff is right after the bullsh*t:
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, GUILLERMO DE JESUBEETON GALARZA wrote:
> Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Peter Geerts wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, GUILLERMO DE JESUBEETON GALARZA wrote:
> >
> > > i know how to get that via mail, if youre interested.
> >
> > Yes i am interested, but why were you bitching me off on my last post
> > about eternity X??
> >
> > Zaphod
> well, is that what you want
> you little honey girl?
As to now, i am not a little girl, or not even a girl, but i doubt it you
care.
> because there is a lot more where that came from, for you and your dumb
> friends who spend all day in front of the computer, you make me sick and
> you aint helping that much to make this a better world, sitting all day
> in front of a computer, get a life, a job , and then well talk, boy!!! On
Hmm, okay, so what makes you think that? Do you really think i don't have
better things to do than sitting behind my comp? (it's not even mine) I
just use it to read my mail, thats all, and if you don't like the fact
that i use email, get a life yourself. This must be about the most
pathetic thing i've ever heard.
Besides, I really think that YOU are the one spending too much time in
cyberspace. It makes you feel safe, right? You can say anything you want,
do anything you want, and nobody'll ever know who you are. Yeesss, that is
soo easy isn't it? Insulting people you don't know, knowing they can't
hurt you... I bet you wouldn't dare to say these things to me and/or all
the other people right in the face. Think about this and grow up...
Okay...
Now for something completely different. Just picked up the last Ayreon
album, which is their third, after The Final Experiment and Actual
Fantasy. I don't know if this project has been dealt with before on the
Jam, in that case I missed it...
Anyway, this double-CD, called Into the Electric Castle - a Space Opera,
is exactly what it says it is: a magnum opus in opera style: it has
several lead singers who each have a different role/part in the story...
The singers are really a bunch of different and very talented (and famous)
people: the "cast" includes: Fish (!!!!!!!) as the Highlander, Damian
Wilson (Threshold & Landmarq) as the Knight, Peter Daltrey as the Voice,
Edwin Balogh (Omega), Anneke Van Giersbergen (The Gathering), Sharon Den
Adel (Within Temptation) and others... The "Instrumentalists" are also a
strange group of people, including Robby Valentine and Clive Nolan of
Arena and Pendragon... The "brain" and main composer (and one of the
singers as well) is Dutch all-round guy Arjen Lucassen, who's also the
producer...
Anyone I'm only listening to it right now, so I can't review the album
yet... To be continued...
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122636
First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:37:25 EDT
From: Madsag@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE vs. DT or whatever this thread is
Message-ID: <b57e9953.361644b5@aol.com>
dave the uprooted UK jammer wrote:
>>Imagine, you're a successful muso, getting paid to do what
you love, and you have a little spare time and the opportunity to get
together with other talented types. Not only that but a label who will
release the material you're having a laugh producing. And a ton of fans
clambering for any piece of magnetic media you may have looked at at one
time or another. You got to be wanting some of that action (yes I'm
jealous, yes they're all lucky bastards!).<<
id say that sums it up nicely.
im just thinking from my own perspective, i know quite a few musicians in town
i would love to work with that there is no opportunity to do anything
longterm, whether its because of their commitments, mine, or just we'd kill
each other if we were in a band together for more than a month. im in the
midst of that situation myself right now, tom's got an opportunity to play
with a much heavier band than ours which i know he would love to do, and both
of us are trying to get an acoustic thing going with another friend. im sure
the same is true for DT, they just know/are friends with people some of us
would love to hear them write with.
oh btw MIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE WITH THIS JIM MATHEOS PROJECT.
EVIL!!!!
i THINK mpm wrote:
>>but I still can't picture a guitarist like Petrucci or a drummer like
Portnoy doing
mainstream or commercial stuff and no prog.<<
i cant agree with that one. i would say that id RATHER they not go completely
mainstream and that they keep playing prog, but i can definitely picture
anyone in this band doing any number of styles, because i feel they are some
of the most well-rounded and versatile musicians out there. THAT is why i
like the band, not because they are virtuosos playing at the speed of light.
rob wrote:
>>Why can't we just view FII and LTE as different sides to the personalities
involved? Just because MP and JP like doing something like LTE doesn't
mean that they don't like doing FII. <<
and also wrote:
>>Couldn't it be that the band members also like a little variety for their
palates.<<
i have to wholeheartedly agree. i cant even believe this is an issue people
are speculating on. just based on what other music ive read/heard that the
guys like to listen to shows me they aint all PROG or DIE. being in an
established band you get stuck with a "sound", and although it can get tweaked
here and there, you still have a basic style.
gabbo wrote
>>I don't think the side projects are a result of the members being
dissatisfied with what DT is doing, but rather a chance for them to stretch
their musical wings outside of the confines of what DT represents to them. I
think the members have a VERY clear vision of what DT is and is not (I think
it's also very different from what
the *fans* think, but that's another story). Rather than being a divisive
force, I think it helps/will help DT be more cohesive by assuring that
everyone has the necessary outlets to express their full creative abilities.<<
i think everyone needs to read that again because i think that hits the nail
right on the head.
dave aka dr teeth wrote:
>>Well, the way I see it, why join a band that won't allow you to fully
realize your potential? If you're a good drummer, find a band that will
allow you to go crazy at points!<<
maybe im misreading this, but you dont think mike has the ability in DT to go
crazy?
i understand the rest of your points on the LTE/DT issue, i dont know though,
i just dont see LTE as being what john and mike secret musical desires theyre
not telling us. at least thats not how it comes off to me. just the way i see
it. i dont see how FII DT is any different from Images DT. all their albums
have always had a mix of rocking tunes/ballads/epics on them to me.
ernesto wrote
>>Think about this for a minute. WHo wrote the bulk of Hollow Years and
Take Away My Pain? James? No, it was Petrucci. <<
EXCELLENT point.
ok enough from me.
long time no see everyone =)
-melissa
madsag@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 12:05:40 -0700
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: **SNEAK PREVIEW DT HATS******
Message-ID: <199810031604.MAA22113@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>
Want INFORMATION ON THE NEW DREAM THEATER/Ytsejam International
HATS and STICKERS????
go to
www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
www.trsgroup.com/music.DT.htm
for a sneak preview!!!!!
in a few days you can also check merchandise section at: (www.dreamt.org)
thanks!
todd s
vaiman@mindspring.com
sales@trsgroup.com
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 12:05:57 -0700
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: **SNEAK PREVIEW DT HATS******
Message-ID: <199810031604.MAA18639@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>
Want INFORMATION ON THE NEW DREAM THEATER/Ytsejam International
HATS and STICKERS????
go to
www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
www.trsgroup.com/music/DT.htm
www.trsgroup.com/music.DT.htm
for a sneak preview!!!!!
in a few days you can also check merchandise section at: (www.dreamt.org)
thanks!
todd s
vaiman@mindspring.com
sales@trsgroup.com
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:01:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The "Is FII commercial" Thread
Message-ID: <000501bdeeef$6c9d8960$05ce7ad1@artoo-detoo>
Rob said:
>>>Imagine ACOS as steak and potatoes. Imagine Awake as Cajun food.
Imagine WDADU as French food. Imagine IAW as Italian food. FII, I
suppose, could just be a burger and fries. Once in a LIVEtime could be
the DT food court at the DT mall. I like all those foods. Couldn't it
be that the band members also like a little variety for their palates?<<<
and Dr. Teeth said:
>>>Wow - what a statement: LTE is what keeps DT together.<<<
I must agree with Rob and disagree with "Dr. Teeth" (what a *wrong*
statement, IMO :). I think DT do indeed want some variety, and I think
that's where songs like TAMP, etc come from. LSOAD and maybe even Another
Day might be other examples. One dimensionalism is even more boring than
having an album with a couple of songs like HY on it. I don't believe the
side projects are what keeps DT together (and it would have to be more than
LTE because only two DT members were involved in that); I think that the
side projects serve several purposes: 1) they're probably loads of fun to do
2) they provide opportunities to work with, and perhaps learn from, other
great artists [eg. "Wow, I got to work with stick-king Tony Levin!" 3) the
creative ideas of some may likely inspire new ideas in others ...I'm sure I
could go on. It probably helps in getting the members of DT some time away
from the band they spend their lives with, which may help keep the band
together (in that sometimes if you spend too much time with the same people
you get sick of them), but I DON'T think the side projects serve as the
surrogate lovers that holds the marriage together because the married people
aren't gettin' enough lovin' at home [that's an analogy folks, albeit a poor
one].
Dave said:
>>>...there is not one song I don't like/love (including AL and TAMP, which
are both beautiful...<<<
This is where opinions will vary. I love LSOAD, TSM, and AD (which I think
fall under the same 'category' as HY, TAMP, and AL). Those are beautiful
songs. HY, TAMP, and AL just don't move me the way those first three do. I
think a 'ballad' can be really beautiful and moving, and some that DT have
written have been just that (I think SDV falls in here, at the top of the
list for me, and I think people might have complained about it being
commercial if it didn't have all those sampled quotes in there). For me
(and it seems as though for a number of people who tend to skip those songs)
the ballad-type songs on FII just weren't all that great--I mean, you win
some, you lose some. Take, for example, the latest Spock's Beard album.
The fourth song on _The Kindness of Strangers_ is entitled "June" and it's a
ballad with probably the most commercial potential of any of the Beard's
songs. And it's an incredibly beautiful song. It really moves me. It
alone is worth the cost of the album. But they weren't writing it to have a
commercial song, but rather to write a beautiful piece of music that happens
to be considerably different than most of their other songs.
It's the same with DT; I don't think DT were writing the so-called
"commercial" songs to be more commercial (except for YNM; that's a toss up),
but rather writing them for the sake of writing a different type of
beautiful music. [I must also add that although the FII 'balads' don't move
me a lot, they're still DT songs, and much better than most of the other 90s
stuff that you'll here on the radio, and therefore I usually listen to them
when I play the album and I get pumped to hear even YNM on the radio].
Ernesto said:
>>>Why cant a band just write simpler music because they want to, or
because they find a new challenge in writing good short songs? Why
must it always be a compromise or a sell-out?<<<
I totally agree. And there are some great short(er) songs like CiaW and
6:00 and Surrounded. Fantastic songs, but not long songs. Again, SB had a
larger number of shorter songs on _Kindness_, but they still kicked: "In the
Mouth of Madness" kicks as much ass as "Walking on the Wind" on _Beware of
Darkness_; it's just a more concise piece of music.
Time to go. Just 'IMO' Thoughts.
Chris
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:21:51 -0300
From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Knights of the Round sale
Message-ID: <01bdeee9$edaef9e0$584692cc@alexis1>
To anybody who's interested in getting Liquid Tension Experiment and/or
"Insights" by Lemur Voice, they are on sale at Knights of the Round Table
for $9.99 each. I don't have the url right now, but I think you can get it
easily by searching on Yahoo or whatever.
Alexis
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: liquidrich@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Awesome recordigs!
Message-ID: <7776-361660A2-119@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>
For all the jammers who like good music check out the following:
Yngwie Malmsteen "Facing the Animal"
-this has Cozy Powell and Yngwie has never sounded so inspired.
Really fresh.
Everybody, give this man a 2nd chance.
Deep Purple "Made in Japan"
-amazing energy, guitar/keyboard solos, great live interplay,
spirited vocals, maybe the best live prog cd in existence! Everybody, go
buy this NOW!!!
Lethal "Programmed"
-For Queensryche lovers. Play this to a friend and he/she will
believe this is a new Queensryche recording! The vocalist sounds just
like Geoff Tate. The music is pre-Empire sounding.
Has anybody seen the video Charlie D. put out? Please let me know
how it is.
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:49:55 -0700
From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: For the Money
Message-ID: <199810031842.NAA17973@wichita.fn.net>
>it's for the money.
I think that was a real low blow to all the musicians out there. Sorry all
us lovers of music are stuck in a sick world where music (or whatever we
want to call top 40), is judged on how well you can dance to it.
Basically I would play for free. Why? Because I love to do it. I'm not
in a famous rock band nor am I going to put my efforts to do so. Sure the
money is nice :) but thats not why I do it. I have another job, but if
I'm not playing I'm not happy. I love to play stuff like DT but when you
look at a crowd bored off their ass nothing diminishes your ego so fast. I
love to play songs people are going to dance to (oops I said the D word),
bob their head to and cheer for you. That is what playing in a cover band
is about, right? If I wanted the general public to listen to what I want,
I would be playing original tunes. So I say again I don't do it for the
money, and I think 99% of all the musicians out there don't. I didn't wake
up one day and say hey I need to find away to make money, oh yeah music.
Thats horsepucky crap. So even till the day I die I'll play music it's
what I know it's my first and only love (try telling that to a woman).
I will agree that a paycheck for your services is nice, and by all means
I'm not going to turn it down, but that is not why I do it.
Sorry to vent, but for the money is a real crappy thing to say to a
musician.
CJBass
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:20:27 -0700
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mark and bikinis/Opinion on Younique/Singers
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981003132027.008812e0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
> I just found this while searching for websites linking
> to the old official site (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/)
> with InfoSeek :
>
> http://www.bikinionline.com/mag/dlinks.html
> Mark Bredius
Mark, something tells me that by going to www.bikinionline.com, you weren't
exactly looking for sites linking to the old official DT page. If you know
what I mean ;)
Well, after listening to Younique for a solid few weeks, I can definitely
say that it was well worth the wait. Im not saying it is the best CD of
the year, or even better than Behind, but it is well worth the money I paid
for it. Each of the songs on there is strong, and Superior really stresses
one of the strongest attributes of some of my favorite bands: variety.
There is nothing more I like about a band when it decides to throw another
style or another idea or perspective into their music. It keeps music
fresh. And that is reason I think "Free Minded" is the best track on the
album. It goes through everything...Sitar at the beginning, heavy thrash,
jazz...Variety is like a preservative for music, preventing it from going
stale.
I cant say I like the last track...Kind of repetitive, but the first track,
"Not With Me" just rocks. I love how Tangerman is distorted, and then
comes right to the forefront with the line "Don't need your well meant
orders." It is so direct, so clear, and the guitar groove behind is so
damn strong. That just rocks my nads every time I listen to it.
As for whether it is better than Behind? Apples and oranges I think. This
album is so completely different than what Superior did with Behind that
they are very hard to compare. I think Superior's best songs, like "Why"
and "Until the End" are on Behind, but I think Younique will pass the test
of time. If it werent for the fact that I have a TON of new music to check
out, Younique would probably be in my changer for a few months, at least.
I know this wasn't a review in the truest sense, but I had been reading
about other people's opinions of Younique, and felt I had to add my own. I
hope what Ive written might influence others to try out Superior. With
Symphony X, Angra, Spock's Beard, Echolyn and Fates, these guys are in my
second tier of favorites. DT of course, is number one :)
I tried listening to Lemur Voice again to try to get into them again, and I
just couldnt do it. I just cant listen to their singer. I need a strong
singer in a band, and the guy for LV just doesnt do it for me. The music
is nice, but there is no drive behind the vocals. Kinda the same reason
why Enchant, and to a certain extent Vanden Plas dont do all they could for
me...Vocals are KEY. There are tons of guys that can play as fast as Romeo
and Petrucci, but how many singers are there like LaBrie, Matos, Allen,
Tangerman, and Morse. THOSE guys know how to sing with some fuckin balls.
I just cant get into the vocalists in Vanden plas, Enchant, and lemurvoice...
Anyway, Im really starting to like King's X...These guys can write some
serious tunes...They are different. Not as complicated, but that is a good
thing sometimes. Im getting Galactic Cowboys soon and from what I hear, I
will probably like those guys too. Just more CDs to buy...What a shame :)
Later
Jon
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:41:41 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MUSIC: the phantom menace!!!
Message-ID: <199810032241.RAA10327@busprod.com>
>Sad or not sad - it is true! But it's also quite logical isn't it!
>First and VERY important (something I realised through the years of
>struggle about MY and OTHERS tastes):
>
>- Normal people don't like music as much as we do. If I'm right, then I
>bet that first thing you do in the morning is playing some music to wake
>you up and then go washing your face! :) We listen music all the time
>and are really into it. We like searching albums, bands, biographies,
>discographies, go on concerts etc.
>
>But other folks just DON'T do that!
I think no truer words ever graced the Ytsejam.....
People who like music passionately have a hard time understanding that for
others music can be such a small part of their lives. I know this one girl
who confessed to never listening to music and how she only owns two cds and
doesnt even have a car stereo!. I dont think that I could live like that. I
have to get a new cd every so often just so I can have something new to
listen to. I usually have a cd playing at all times when I am in the house.
I always pack up my little portable cd player to take with me in the car,
even if that means that I might be a little late because I took a few
minutes longer that morning standing in front of my cds trying to find the
perfect one to match my mood that day. Its very important to me... music.
But I also have friends who have their own passions. One girlfriend likes
painting and photography so I had to explain how I get the same feeling from
an awesome piece of music that she would get from seeing a nice photograph
or a Rothko painting (and how many people like Rothko here? huh?). Another
friend just loves animation and computer graphics and from listening to
people that have other interests I've learned to appreciate things a little
more.... Hanging around with someone whose an expert on a particular subject
can be a real eye/ear opening experience.
What really disgusts me sometimes are the people who can't understand how
other people don't like their music and never seem to "give it a chance"
they say then probably turn around and wonder why someone else keeps trying
to get them to go out looking at rocks or something. It works both way...
nothing gives people a better vibe than the feeling that you're listening.
I also bet than for alot of people here music is a real stabilizing force in
their lives. No matter how depressing or hectic life can get I know I can
jump in my car put in a great cd and feel a little better.
bruce forst
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4314
Message-ID: <19981003225534.5631.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
> Stryper's sales didn't come close to that of the other bands in the
top
> 10 videos, in fact, MTV at first rejected Stryper's video for
"Honestly"
> for being "too patriotic" (whatever that means), but the loyal fans
> rallied together and voted, and voted, and voted..for their favorite
> band!
>
Yeah, but, where is Stryper now? :)
> > Did anyone catch Conan the other night? but Conan actually played
> > 10-15 seconds of "Somthing For Nothing", around the part where
Geddy is
> > shreaking!!
> >
> > I forgot the context, as I was really wasn't paying close
attention, but
It was basically that some baseball player had played some 2,112 odd
consecutive games, and Conan played the album as a tribute. Then they
corrected him and said it was 2356 games. And Max says "Conan back in
the 70's i recorded an album called 2356" which Conan purposely
ignored. If Triumph had made an appearance it would've been the
perfect show:)
For Ern to poop on
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