YTSEJAM Digest 4316
Today's Topics:
1) coming to hollywood
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
2) re:MUSIC: the phantom menace!!! NDTC
by Mathew and Melissa <palze@powerweb.net>
3) ytseradio...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
4) Re: Once in a Livetime
by Darth1@aol.com
5) Variety - Cutting the fat
by Calvin6S@aol.com
6) SX concert!
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
7) Re: DT and short songs
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
8) Billy Cobham, Tribal Tech, Kevin Moore (NOT vs. Derek)
by "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
9) Re: uacm: Issue # 9 (10/04/1998)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) Awesome recordings/Cafe-bar gigs
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) Re: MUSIC: the phantom menace!!!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Playing for money and deciding which CD's to take today
by Dave <sirdave@concentric.net>
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:10:02 -0500
From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: coming to hollywood
Message-ID: <199810032310.SAA11964@busprod.com>
hey y'all....
the okie (thats me) is taking a trip out to Hollywood to go hang with a
friend out there. I would love to be able to check out any prog bands that
might be playing around that area around the 22-29 of october. I'm already
thinking that I'll try to catch King's X on the 27th so if anyone is going
to that show email me. Anyone else in that area also who might help me find
some good prog shows feel free to get in touch too..
thanks alot,
bruce forst
bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:16:36 -0500
From: Mathew and Melissa <palze@powerweb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re:MUSIC: the phantom menace!!! NDTC
Message-ID: <19981003231635818.AAA143@palze.tcccom.net>
boy, i thought your post was going to be star wars related. :)
in case anyone cares, the title of the new star wars prequel is 'the phantom
menace'.
matt
************
I've seen some people get upset when they see garbage being thrown from a
car, but my wife is the only one i know that tries to call Captain Planet.
************
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:48:43 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ytseradio...
Message-ID: <199810040229.VAA08925@indy3.indy.net>
Just tuned in for the first time and Coldfire is playing Dali's Dilemma.
This shit is gonna be like cocaine. DD and ytseradio, I mean.
Mike Patrick
Indianapolis, IN
mepatric@indy.net
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:29:31 EDT
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Once in a Livetime
Message-ID: <cee2112e.3616dd8b@aol.com>
In a message dated 10/1/98 6:31:22 PM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> Once in a Livetime - final part
I just preordered this from CDNow today! (Lucky bastage got it early |-)
The whole 2 disks sound like they are gonna be killer!
> Puppies on Acid:
Newbie question here... What album is this off of? Never heard it before...
Ive seen the name floating around everywhere... clue me in please.
I cant wait to hear Lines In the Sand live!
my .00002 cents
NP: LTE - State of Grace
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:40:37 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Variety - Cutting the fat
Message-ID: <7ca4ff53.3616ee35@aol.com>
Sure the whole "is FII the direction we as fans prefer DT to go" (which really
isn't our choice in the end) is a rehashed subject, but I think it still holds
merit. Especially in a forum where members of DT are known to reside. As
long as you have a point without malice, it can be used as FEEDBACK for the
band. And with a new DT album of original material right around the corner,
it may actually be productive.
The defense of FII (of which I happen to think is a great album) is that some
fans appreciate the variety. But what do you mean by variety? Variety is the
REASON I prefer I&W and Awake over FII. Variety in song structure. Not
shred. Not more/less ballads. Simply song structure. FII is DT streamlined.
I don't see how "cutting out the fat" (which I happen to like) equals variety.
The whole TONE of the album doesn't sound more or less like DT music. It
sounds like DT music, but with the song structure simplified. On previous DT
albums when the chorus ended and went back into a verse, the verse was similar
(chord progression) yet different instrumentation. To me, that is the VARIETY
that makes me listen to a DT song and NEVER grow tired of it. The shred is
still there, the sound is still there, but the variety is missing. I find
this a shame because I think Derek's influence has added a new level to the
songwriting, but it all comes down to song structure.
LTE has this explorative song structure, but it really doesn't have the DT
sound. So to all those that say LTE is where DT should be going on the next
album, I don't concur. LTE is just another outlet for me to enjoy, but by no
means a replacement to DT.
The direction that would most satisfy me on the next DT album is for the DT
sound to continue as it has been (FII has great riffs), but for the song
structure of the past to reappear. When John Myung writes a verse that is
different from the verse that John Petrucci brings in, don't decide which is
better - use them both. Stop cutting the fat. I like it.
Blah, blah, blah - in my opinion - etc, etc.
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:53:10 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Majesty <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SX concert!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9810041351340.28859-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Yippee... One week to go before the Symphony X concert in the Biebop in
Vosselaar, Belgium...
Any Belgian/Dutch jammers going also?
Zaphod
NP: Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle <--- Get this! (NOW!):)
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122636
First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:26:21 +0700
From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT and short songs
Message-ID: <3617858D.3E6319BA@pacific.net.ph>
cfiles @ erols.com wrote:
> Ernesto said:
> >>>Why cant a band just write simpler music because they want to, or
> because they find a new challenge in writing good short songs? Why
> must it always be a compromise or a sell-out?<<<
Brevity is the soul of wit, they say. Maybe they're trying to
paint pictures instead of using a thousand words or
a thousand notes. Many of my favorites are
pretty darn short (by DT standards, at least). Some of these
would include Hendrix' "Little Wing", which I'm not even
sure is 3 minutes long.
-Rob
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:34:22 +0300
From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
To: "Dream theater Mail-list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Billy Cobham, Tribal Tech, Kevin Moore (NOT vs. Derek)
Message-ID: <199810041534.SAA12571@elf.dlc.fi>
Billy Cobham played a gig here yesterday with a Danish band called
Ensemble New. I didn't get the program sheet so I don't remember all of
the musicians who played there. I think the guitarist was called Hans
Eric Vai :) or something like that but don't know 'bout the others.
Anyway, it was an excellent gig and the players may have been the best
I've ever seen (including Dream Theater). The band included Cobham,
other drummer, bassist, keyboardist, saxophonist, guitarist and a very
interesting singer/koto-player. The singer didn't sing a single word,
he was like a voice player(?). A little scat here, a bit of throat
singing there, but mostly he did solos with bass and sax.
All of them vere extremely able players but they didn't exaggerate
anything. Each one did at least one solo and those really showed
they could all shred, you know, that jazz/fusion type shredding which
nails your jaw to the floor and adds some bolts to keep it there :).
The saxophonist did one solo w/ singer using soprano and tenor sax at
the SAME time. Cobham's solos were about 20 minutes long when put
together but I still didn't get bored. I didn't have time for it.
It was like "look at those fills, where did he get that extra pair of
arms?! (over here ;)". And can you say polyrythmics? I don't know if
he can but he sure does them, a lot. Even when he slowed or speeded
up the tempo the same basic beat was kept there with either hi-hat or
kickdrum. The other drummer was also excellent and even more into
polyrythmics. Hell, all of them made me want to lock myself into
a closet with any instrument for some 20-30 years and do nothing but
practise. All in all, a great show with well written songs. I hope
we'll hear more of Ensemble New. Cobham mentioned something about
a new label. Soon...
CyberDuke inquired for Tribal Tech. I'm under an impression that
there is this record by Henderson and Willis with a title Tribal
Tech and some albums by a band Tribal Tech, still with Henderson and
Willis. I'm not sure about this but you should find the right
albums from Scott Henderson section (if your local record shop has
one, that is).
And now for something completely different:
I'm happy about that Kevin Moore left DT...
After a three months search I finally found DAFR and it's brilliant!
I believe Kevin couldn't have done anything like this when he still
was with Dream Theater. Besides, if he didn't enjoy playing with
the guys it would have been mindless to carry on with them. IMO it
was bound to happen, sooner or later. And I love Dereks playing on
FII, ACOS and Platypus so I'm not the one to complain. Now, instead
of DT whose members can't come to agreement of what kind of music
they should play, I've got Chroma Key that I love and DT that I
love (I also love flowers, kids, furry little animals and KorgX3's
crack pipes... I'm such a loving person).
I guess it was all for me this time. Hope I didn't break any
Ytse-rules. Oh, I almost forgot. I'm going to see Bozzio's clinic
next Wednesday. I'm one lucky & loving sonofa... :)
------------ tonimaki@dlc.fi ---------------
| There are three kinds of people; |
| Those who can count and those who can't. |
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:31:39 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: uacm: Issue # 9 (10/04/1998)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981004142735.16007A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Mark Bredius wrote:
[Five Years in a Livetime]
> Material fr. last 5 yrs.: 1994-5 "Waking Up the World" &
> 1997-8 "Touring Into Infinity" tours, footage fr. "Awake"
> & "Falling Into Infinity" studio sessions, unplugged" fan
> club show in Rotterdam in 1998, footage fr. "uncovered"
> show @ Ronnie Scott's in London in 1995. 3 clips: "Lie",
> "The Silent Man", & "Hollow Years". WEA R-4148
Perhaps it should be mentioned that the "6:00" song comes from the
Japanese Pay-Per-View show... BTW, my opinion on "Cover My Eyes" has
changed since I saw the acoustic version. I now consider it to be an
interesting song (without that "alternative" guitar).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:51:57 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Awesome recordings/Cafe-bar gigs Message-ID: <3617B5BD.C782B861@mol.com.mk>
CyberDuke wrote: >=20 > > From: liquidrich@webtv.net > > Subject: Awesome recordigs! > > > > For all the jammers who like good music check out the following: > > Yngwie Malmsteen "Facing the Animal" -this has Cozy Powell and > > Yngwie has never sounded so inspired. Really fresh. >=20 > Althought I'm not huge fan of Yngwie I must admit this is quite > different album than his others. Of course, his > trademark-becoming-boring style is here (IMHO ;) but presents also . > Again, as not big fan of him I was positively suprised from yhis album > because he jumped off his cliche a little bit. Unfortunately Malmsteen > singing songs are something I just cannot like! Oh yeah, I forgot, IMHO= ! > :) >=20 > > Everybody, give this man a 2nd chance. > > Deep Purple "Made in Japan" -amazing energy, guitar/keyboard > > solos, great live interplay, spirited vocals, maybe the best live > > prog cd in existence! Everybody, go buy this NOW!!! >=20 > He-he-he! Deep Purple - prog? :) Not a chance but I like the idea and > positivity in this stattement! > Gillan's highlights ever! That's why this guy is in history books. IMO, > he's one of the best hard rock vocals. Raw energy vocal!!! > Also one of best live album ever! >=20 > > From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> > > Subject: Re: For the Money > > > > >it's for the money. > > > > I think that was a real low blow to all the musicians out there. >=20 > Wow, wow, I didn't know I'd cause this reaction! Gotta straight it up! >=20 > > Basically I would play for free. Why? Because I love to do it. >=20 > Generally agreed, but the reality is that we just can't afford ourselve= s > to do that! Heck, everyone wants to play but there are other more > imporant things in life (education, family, job...). We want to admit i= t > or not, that's it! > You can't tell your 4 year old kid "Sonny, sorry I can't give you bread= , > dad gotta jam tonight JUST FOR FUN!" Can't do it that way! >=20 > So here comes the problem: Connecting person's interests with job! It's > best thing can happen to a man. IF you can play and earn money - GREAT! >=20 > > I have another job, but if I'm not playing I'm not happy. >=20 > I know exactly how it feels and I didn't intend to say it's not true. >=20 > > I love to play stuff like DT but when you look at a crowd bored > > off their ass nothing diminishes your ego so fast. >=20 > My point exactly! >=20 > > I love to play songs people are going to dance to (oops I said > > the D word), bob their head to and cheer for you. That is what > > playing in a cover band is about, right? >=20 > EXACTLY! :) > And none musician can say that he doesn't like cheers of appreciation o= r > song recognition from the audience. Talking about ego... :) >=20 > My statement "for the money" meant more like: > - YOU choose to play gigs in cafes. But you can't go out there and say: > "Good evening! Now you're going to listen for 3 hours music I LIKE! > Start off - Manowar! Kick it guys!" :) > You do it publically so you have some responsibility AND toward the > audience >=20 > Have on mind that your gig first depends from the cafe owner - he'll le= t > ya do it if he thinks he can afford more money than without a band > playing. And knowing the fact what kind of people go out in cafes we > come to the conclusion to which music directions we can play! > Few years ago, we fighted like crazy just because I wanted us to play > AC/DC and Deep Purple stuff, because I like it! I REALLY wanted to play > Black Sabbath - War Pigs! :) But... >=20 > > So even till the day I die I'll play music it's > > what I know it's my first and only love (try telling that to a woman). >=20 > A-ha! ;) >=20 > > I will agree that a paycheck for your services is nice, and by all me= ans > > I'm not going to turn it down, but that is not why I do it. >=20 > Nah, of course you won't turn it down! :) > And what if a guy comes to you with 20$ in hand wanting to hear his > song? :) Happens all the time on weddings here! Here we come to a topic > not so nice. Humiliating yourself for the money and being an audeince > pion. Can you tell a drunk person that you can't play that song? That's > why, playing covers in cafe-bars has its prize and person should be > aware of it! >=20 > > Sorry to vent, but for the money is a real crappy thing > > to say to a musician. >=20 > Again, that wasn't what I meant! >=20 > > CJBass >=20 > Sorry for misunderstanding! :) >=20 > CyberDuke > From: liquidrich@webtv.net > Subject: Awesome recordigs! >=20 > For all the jammers who like good music check out the following: > Yngwie Malmsteen "Facing the Animal" -this has Cozy Powell and=20 > Yngwie has never sounded so inspired. Really fresh.
Although I'm not huge fan of Yngwie I must admit this is quite different album than his others. Of course, his trademark-becoming-boring style is here (IMHO ;) but presents also . Again, as not big fan of him I was positively surprised from this album because he jumped off his clich=E9 a little bit. Unfortunately Malmsteen singing songs are something I just cannot like! Oh yeah, I forgot, IMHO! :)
> Everybody, give this man a 2nd chance. > Deep Purple "Made in Japan" -amazing energy, guitar/keyboard=20 > solos, great live interplay, spirited vocals, maybe the best live=20 > prog cd in existence! Everybody, go buy this NOW!!!
He-he-he! Deep Purple - prog? :) Not a chance but I like the idea and positivity in this statement! Gillan's highlights ever! That's why this guy is in history books. IMO, he's one of the best hard rock vocals. Raw energy vocal!!! Also one of best live album ever!
> From: "Christopher Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com> > Subject: Re: For the Money >=20 > >it's for the money. >=20 > I think that was a real low blow to all the musicians out there.
Wow, wow, I didn't know I'd cause this reaction! Gotta straight it up!
> Basically I would play for free. Why? Because I love to do it.=20
Generally agreed, but the reality is that we just can't afford ourselves to do that! Heck, everyone wants to play but there are other more important things in life (education, family, job...). We want to admit it or not, that's it! You can't tell your 4 year old kid "Sonny, sorry I can't give you bread, dad gotta jam tonight JUST FOR FUN!" Can't do it that way!
So here comes the problem: Connecting person's interests with job! It's best thing can happen to a man. IF you can play and earn money - GREAT!
> I have another job, but if I'm not playing I'm not happy.
I know exactly how it feels and I didn't intend to say it's not true.
> I love to play stuff like DT but when you look at a crowd bored=20 > off their ass nothing diminishes your ego so fast.=20
My point exactly!
> I love to play songs people are going to dance to (oops I said=20 > the D word), bob their head to and cheer for you. That is what=20 > playing in a cover band is about, right?=20
EXACTLY! :) And none musician can say that he doesn't like cheers of appreciation or song recognition from the audience. Talking about ego... :)
My statement "for the money" meant more like:=20 - YOU choose to play gigs in cafes. But you can't go out there and say: "Good evening! Now you're going to listen for 3 hours music I LIKE! Start off - Manowar! Kick it guys!" :) You do it publicly so you have some responsibility AND toward the audience
Have on mind that your gig first depends from the cafe owner - he'll let ya do it if he thinks he can afford more money than without a band playing. And knowing the fact what kind of people go out in cafes we come to the conclusion to which music directions we can play! Few years ago, we fought like crazy just because I wanted us to play AC/DC and Deep Purple stuff, because I like it! I REALLY wanted to play Black Sabbath - War Pigs! :) But...
> So even till the day I die I'll play music it's > what I know it's my first and only love (try telling that to a woman).
A-ha! ;)
> I will agree that a paycheck for your services is nice, and by all mean= s > I'm not going to turn it down, but that is not why I do it.
Nah, of course you won't turn it down! :)=20 And what if a guy comes to you with 20$ in hand wanting to hear his song? :) Happens all the time on weddings here! Here we come to a topic not so nice. Humiliating yourself for the money and being an audience pion. Can you tell a drunk person that you can't play that song? That's why, playing covers in cafe-bars has its prize and person should be aware of it!
> Sorry to vent, but for the money is a real crappy thing > to say to a musician.
Again, that wasn't what I meant!
> CJBass
Sorry for misunderstanding! :)
CyberDuke
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:49:41 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MUSIC: the phantom menace!!! Message-ID: <3617B535.2A81117D@mol.com.mk>
> From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) > Subject: MUSIC: the phantom menace!!! > > People who like music passionately have a hard time understanding that for > others music can be such a small part of their lives.
OH YEAH!
> I always pack up my little portable cd player to take with me in > the car, even if that means that I might be a little late because > I took a few minutes longer that morning standing in front of my cds > trying to find the perfect one to match my mood that day.
Ha-ha-ha! Yep, that's what I meant! :) > But I also have friends who have their own passions. One girlfriend > likes painting and photography so I had to explain how I get the > same feeling from an awesome piece of music that she would get > from seeing a nice photograph or a Rothko painting
Very true! I had very experience while talking to a friend girl who studies art painting. While meeting in a gallery, art exhibition I said to her "Kill me but I can't figure out these paintings! What is this chaos on that one? What IS the message here (is there any)?" ;-))))
And than I received revelation from her: "You like music right? So it's just something you enjoy in it. You look at the painting and you love it, enjoy it, like it. Same feeling like while you're listening your fave music!"
Definitely a lecture I'll remember in my life! :)
> Another friend just loves animation and computer graphics and from > listening to people that have other interests I've learned to > appreciate things a little more.... Hanging around with someone > whose an expert on a particular subject > can be a real eye/ear opening experience.
So, we're coming back to the topic "Diversity is NICE!" :) Yep, true! We can always learn something from others.
> bruce forst
Peace, CyberDuke
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Date: 10/4/1998 13:39 From: Dave <sirdave@concentric.net> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Playing for money and deciding which CD's to take today Message-ID: <199810041740.NAA26074@mcfeely.concentric.net>
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I'm a drummer who plays in bars/clubs, and I agree with Chris Stearns' views on getting paid to play. The band is there to entertain the customers, not showcase their skills/chops, or play their own favorite type of music. Don't get me wrong, if your'e not having fun, or feel bored up there, you may want to get yourself into a different type of situation. We play ALL cover songs, and while I may not *love* to play some of them, watching people tap their feet, dance, or hear them clap/scream/whistle makes up for it. When I have the desire to play more complicated music, I invite some other musician friends over to jam. About the money...I look at it like this; I'm getting paid to break down equipment, load it into my van, drive there at 7:30 PM, unload my gear, set it up, sound check with the guys(and girl- singer), hang around till 9:30, PLAY, then break down the equipment, load it up again, drive home(at 2:00 AM), then set the gear up at home the next day. WHEW!! That's alot of work. It's nice to get paid at the end of the night. The actual *playing* I'd do for free. When we open for another band and use their equipment, we don't get paid. But wer'e in and out of there rather quickly, and it's still fun! Well, that's how I look at it anyway. Thanks for reading this far :) -Dave (drummer for BLIND DATE)
P.S; I laughed when I read that Bruce stares at his CD collection- looking for music to take that matches his mood that day. I do the EXACT same thing! :)
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